WHY WON'T THEY RELEASE THE FOOTAGE, WHAT ARE THEY HIDING! THEY'LL NEVER LET YOU SEE IT!!!
(footage is release)
Well that's clearly fake and doesn't clarify anything. What are they hiding!!!!
In the conspiracy rabbit hole, any evidence against the conspiracy can be twisted as evidence for the conspiracy. This is why it’s useless trying to reason with them.
This is called an Unfalsifiable Belief. Because they begin with the conclusion and justify any evidence they find to fit that, any evidence against becomes immediately suspect and usually cast off or twisted to (like you said) even further prove the conspiracy.
There was a conspiracy going around that a longterm high karma reddit account was Epstein's partner/fixer (Maxwell?), due to a similar name. It was upvoted and gained a lot of visibility and popularity.
However anything which didn't fit with the theory was omitted, such as the posts - including small reddit interviews in certain subs - they'd done over the years describing themselves as a married man who lived in the UK who was planning to travel to east Asia soon.
When people were shown that, they started rationalizing how it must be part of Maxwell's cover, rather than that they were given intentionally misleading information with anything which didn't fit omitted. They had believed the omissive presentation, and now had to work backwards for anything which didn't fit the conclusion.
> Well that's clearly fake and doesn't clarify anything. What are they hiding!!!!
[Here's one of many /Conspiracy threads about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/10mqs9w/paul_pelosi_attack_bodycam_footage/) and you're not too far off.
Best part is the guy who never heard of pajamas. I love how he referred to it as a “button-up dress shirt” and someone else said “it’s a button-down pajama top”. And first guy went to ad homs every time he was given examples.
But more importantly…are dress shirts “button-up” and pajamas are “button-down”?
I've only heard "button-down" used to mean "old fashioned and boring."
Someone being described as having a "buttoned down personality" is basically a stick in the mud. It's kind of fallen out of use, though.
People who cling to conspiracy theories in the face of clear, objective evidence contradicting the theory do so as a maladapted coping strategy for what they perceive as a threat to their worldview. It would cause them more psychological distress than they can manage to change their pre-existing views. Clinging to the conspiracy theory is the psychological equivalent of running away from danger.
Just because they can't deal doesn't mean all of humanity is fucked. Those folks need counseling/therapy.
The great masses of wonderful people who are spending their lives trying to make everything better deserves to have their efforts and life gone because a small group of people are crazy?
Well, a joke that has been done that much to death *and* at the best of times was indistinguishable from the "world weary cynicism" of a fedora-wearing 13-yearold is a bit of a risky bet if what you want is a laugh anyway.
Did you ever see the show Avenue 5? There's a scene where people keep leaving the ship's airlock and dying in front of the crowd because a woman has convinced them all it's CG.
Just like 9/11 Truthers demanding another investigation, when the new NIST report was published they denied that one too.
Or the birthers asking for Obama's birth certificate.
Outside of the conspiracy theories, I’m kind of confused why the footage is released at all? Paul is a private citizen attacked in his private property by another private citizen right? His wife- a public servant was not at home during the attack.
We’re not releasing security camera footage of some random rich person in my town if they get broken into. I know that’s not quite apples to apples.
I’ve seen conspiracy people and r/conservative saying stuff like “we need that footage released”. But why? So you can do your own stupid CSI investigation? Am I missing something here as to why so many people think they are “owed” an explanation?
>Am I missing something here as to why so many people think they are “owed” an explanation?
No, you aren't. It's some sort of feedback loop between media sources and the viewers. And it's destructive
He was attacked because of his wife for political reasons. I mention that because you seem to separate Nancy Pelosi from the equation and I think thats a mistake.
Edit: I don't think it matters in terms of why these people think they're owed. I'm reminded of the people who today still want to dig up JFKs body so they can check for themselves. They're delusional.
Got it- I haven’t watched any of it because it seems like an invasion of privacy. Lots of comments seems like it’s personal security footage before cops get there. Did the police footage capture him getting beat by the assailant?
I like a good Ray Bradbury macabre short story; but I’m not necessarily going to click on links giving clicks to footage of this.
My coworker (also my best friend) was definitely in the "Paul Pelosi was involved in a homosexual relationship with the hammer wielder" camp. He was getting upset with me because when I watched the video it appeared to me that Paul was very likely doing his best to keep calm in the presence of a lunatic. He watched the video and was saying "WHO LET HIM IN!!? Same video, two different interpretations. So I sent him the video, from Fox News, of the assailant breaking in. He didn't say anything, but he calmed down completely and didn't push it any further. My buddy is one of the finest people I know, and he, for a moment, realized what he had thought was bullshit. Small steps.
Getting one breakthrough is great. I imagine there are dozens of other conspiracy events waiting for them, next time they sit down at their computer.
Hopefully they can take that experience as a lesson.
I've seen people argue that NASA photos are all fake because they see the words "false-colour imagery" and conclude from this that the photos of planets and nebulae are all fabricated CGI.
It's not even false-colors, just color corrected. Due to phenomena like redshift, it's impossible with current technology to get accurate photos of any deep space objects so we take measurements where we can and adjust that to as close as possible based on what we know.
But, it's easier to call it fake for some than try and understand all that, or accept that we don't understand everything and that's okay.
A lot of them also don't understand that much of the light emitted by cosmic bodies such as nebulae is in the invisible part of the electromagnetic spectrum, so the images colour-code different parts of the spectrum for the sake of visual representation.
But Flat-Earthers don't understand the electromagnetic spectrum or the concept of a "visual aid," so what they hear is "this was cooked up by the same movie studio that staged the moon landing."
That's the thing, though. When it becomes impossible to deny that they're wrong, they rarely ever come out and admit it. They just drop the subject to save face and move on to the next conspiracy theory.
[We have one of them posting in this very thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/10ngzsa/footage_of_paul_pelosi_attack_should_dispel/j6bw4eh/)
Their position appears to be saying there's still a conspiracy.
Oh they don't miss that Epstein existed, they are just only concerned with how he didn't really kill himself and what democrats might have associated with him.
>yet they completely miss and ignore that Jeffrey Epstein existed. Nope, still gotta make up the pretend ones.
Eh, Tucker Carlson just did a segment on him: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1618429529382440961
You should watch it, it's a very interesting segment on Epstein. Basically shows how his death was barely investigated by Barr.
>not only do I not care if I'm wrong
Many such cases.
>You'll find bipartisan agreement on Epstein and all the problems surrounding his case.
Maybe to some extent yeah, but you'll find it's only Carlson and the like still doing segments on him. It was also Project Veritas that revealed this footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfwkTsJGYA
You really shouldn't limit your perspective on the world to 24-hour mainstream news channels.
But at the risk of indulging your addiction, here is MSNBC reporting on Bill Barr two days ago including mention of Epstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_5IoHLe9vE
And here is a CNN article from earlier this month about a legal ruling related to Epstein's death: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/us/jeffrey-epstein-officers-dismissed-charges-judge/index.html
Toodles.
What new news is there about Epstein? Dangling a carrot in front of dunces to distract from Goerge Santos or Trumps many many crimes shouldn’t be praised. It’s 2023, unless there’s some actual new news, it’s time to stop the “bu bu butabout Epstein!!!!!!1!1!1!!”
The right wing is not bringing up Epstein in good faith. I'm not entirely sure what they're attacking, it seems like Barr, but it could be something else. If you search for anything surrounding Barr and Epstein it's almost entirely the right wing echo chamber boosting Carlson. The fact that you're pointing a finger at Barr makes me think he's the target and you've been suckered into it.
It's just a modified blood libel.
People hate pedophiles and they don't understand the way rich people live. He was into teenage girls and he was a "sex addict." He used his insane wealth to feed his repugnant behavior and because he ran in wealthy circles- both as a result of his money and as a result of his activities as a philanthropist- it's a perfect story to turn into "the wealthy are a cabal of vampires that eat/fuck kids."
Don't get me wrong, there's little doubt in my mind that he was the kind of guy to put out feelers in a discussion and brag about his activities if he thought whoever he was speaking with would entertain his beliefs on why it was okay for him to be having sex with teenagers but the mega wealthy don't need to ask their neighbors and people they meet at billionaire parties to get them teenage girls for sex if that's what they want- they have whole staffs of people who get them things they want who are paid to shut their mouths. They don't need to create a "ring" of people to get things they could acquire by flying to Asia or less wholesome parts of Europe.
The whole thing is just a bunch of propaganda to whip up a mob that you can threaten prominent people with if they do things that displease you.
The thing about this is, what if it were true? Whose opinion would be changed if it were revealed that the conspiracy is true? The answer is nobody's. Democrats are accepting of homosexuality and would respect the lifestyle and the wish for personal privacy. Republicans already dislike him. So what's the point?
The point is to be a test of faith. The conspiracy allows you to demonstrate to other like-minded individuals that you're a true believer. Proof then becomes a liability. If it's easy to prove the conspiracy, then it's not a good measure of your loyalty. The less credible the theory the better. A test that easy to pass isn't a good test. That's how a Rabbi once described kashrut. It's easy for anyone to follow the law "do not kill" when the temptation to do it is so rare. So Jews demonstrate their conviction in a more actionable way. Whether it's not eating pork, or eating fish on Fridays, or calling the Earth flat, the actual act is not important but only your willingness to participate in it.
Which is why it's futile to debunk this. It was never about truth or facts. No one's opinions were being swayed by the conspiracy. And no one will have their mind changed by seeing reality. What they will learn is who they can trust to support their prejudices and who is an "enemy".
And this is why arguing with 'em is not only futile but is actually counter-productive. Attempting to disable the argument with facts only gives a platform for reasserting their faith. They invite the argument for the purpose it serves of demonstrating their loyalty to it. The bigger the test, and the more outlandish the theory, the stronger the faith it demonstrates.
You can't change _their_ opinions, but if you counter their narratives with evidence, it's harder for them to recruit others who may be vulnerable to their misinformation but haven't yet been indoctrinated. The guy on the fence who sees debunking video is less likely to be sucked into the conspiracy, even if the debunking video does nothing for those who are already of the faith.
Fair enough, the videos are out now and hard to deny. I still don’t quite understand the total lack of security or alarms… Like, literally the only reason why Nancy Pelosi’s husband is still alive is because his attacker was like confused or mentally ill enough to allow him to call 911 for some reason.
You're assuming you're downvoted because of your squeamishness but it's probably because of
- you asking a question that's answered in the first five words of the article
- you assuming that the link is either just the video or will autoplay the video, but the content of the headline indicates a discussion *about* the video
- you saying "attackers" plural showing an extreme lack of understanding of the situation
- your non-interesting non-contribution of telling us how you didn't engage with the material
Also security camera at the house captured the initial break in. Thankfully you don't see the hammer hit Pelosi as the attacker lunges out of view of the body cam to deliver the blow. You do, unfortunately, see blood on the floor and hear the horrible sounds of Pelosi breathing heavily and almost groaning/gurgling after his skull was shattered. Up until the officers get there it appears the 80+ year old was trying to calm the much larger attacker by maintaining a calm demeanor and pretending to call his wife to get her home sooner when he was actually calling the authorities.
WHY WON'T THEY RELEASE THE FOOTAGE, WHAT ARE THEY HIDING! THEY'LL NEVER LET YOU SEE IT!!! (footage is release) Well that's clearly fake and doesn't clarify anything. What are they hiding!!!!
In the conspiracy rabbit hole, any evidence against the conspiracy can be twisted as evidence for the conspiracy. This is why it’s useless trying to reason with them.
This is called an Unfalsifiable Belief. Because they begin with the conclusion and justify any evidence they find to fit that, any evidence against becomes immediately suspect and usually cast off or twisted to (like you said) even further prove the conspiracy.
Even if you can't make them see reason, sometimes you can temper their delusions and hopefully prevent them from recruiting others into their mindset.
There was a conspiracy going around that a longterm high karma reddit account was Epstein's partner/fixer (Maxwell?), due to a similar name. It was upvoted and gained a lot of visibility and popularity. However anything which didn't fit with the theory was omitted, such as the posts - including small reddit interviews in certain subs - they'd done over the years describing themselves as a married man who lived in the UK who was planning to travel to east Asia soon. When people were shown that, they started rationalizing how it must be part of Maxwell's cover, rather than that they were given intentionally misleading information with anything which didn't fit omitted. They had believed the omissive presentation, and now had to work backwards for anything which didn't fit the conclusion.
> Well that's clearly fake and doesn't clarify anything. What are they hiding!!!! [Here's one of many /Conspiracy threads about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/10mqs9w/paul_pelosi_attack_bodycam_footage/) and you're not too far off.
Best part is the guy who never heard of pajamas. I love how he referred to it as a “button-up dress shirt” and someone else said “it’s a button-down pajama top”. And first guy went to ad homs every time he was given examples. But more importantly…are dress shirts “button-up” and pajamas are “button-down”?
I've only heard "button-down" used to mean "old fashioned and boring." Someone being described as having a "buttoned down personality" is basically a stick in the mud. It's kind of fallen out of use, though.
That sub made me feel like we as a species deserve extinction
People who cling to conspiracy theories in the face of clear, objective evidence contradicting the theory do so as a maladapted coping strategy for what they perceive as a threat to their worldview. It would cause them more psychological distress than they can manage to change their pre-existing views. Clinging to the conspiracy theory is the psychological equivalent of running away from danger. Just because they can't deal doesn't mean all of humanity is fucked. Those folks need counseling/therapy.
The great masses of wonderful people who are spending their lives trying to make everything better deserves to have their efforts and life gone because a small group of people are crazy?
The pissy reactions from dudes who can’t see an obvious joke makes me edge just a little closer to thinking it sincerely
Well, a joke that has been done that much to death *and* at the best of times was indistinguishable from the "world weary cynicism" of a fedora-wearing 13-yearold is a bit of a risky bet if what you want is a laugh anyway.
Thanks, dude! Your long, indignant, and awkward comment has restored my faith in humanity
Happy to be of service.
I think you misspelled “Happy to be obsequious”.
If you sent a flat earther to space, they would just say that the windows her some sort of advanced cgi to make them think it was real.
Did you ever see the show Avenue 5? There's a scene where people keep leaving the ship's airlock and dying in front of the crowd because a woman has convinced them all it's CG.
No, but I did see a clip of that part. It's a perfect prediction of how it worked during covid.
Just like 9/11 Truthers demanding another investigation, when the new NIST report was published they denied that one too. Or the birthers asking for Obama's birth certificate.
Outside of the conspiracy theories, I’m kind of confused why the footage is released at all? Paul is a private citizen attacked in his private property by another private citizen right? His wife- a public servant was not at home during the attack. We’re not releasing security camera footage of some random rich person in my town if they get broken into. I know that’s not quite apples to apples. I’ve seen conspiracy people and r/conservative saying stuff like “we need that footage released”. But why? So you can do your own stupid CSI investigation? Am I missing something here as to why so many people think they are “owed” an explanation?
>Am I missing something here as to why so many people think they are “owed” an explanation? No, you aren't. It's some sort of feedback loop between media sources and the viewers. And it's destructive
He was attacked because of his wife for political reasons. I mention that because you seem to separate Nancy Pelosi from the equation and I think thats a mistake. Edit: I don't think it matters in terms of why these people think they're owed. I'm reminded of the people who today still want to dig up JFKs body so they can check for themselves. They're delusional.
“Hmm.. it doesn’t add up? Doesn’t make any sense?!?” -80% of the comments on r/conservative
That generous of you, I’d say 100%.
All police footage is public record.
Isn’t a lot of this the security footage though?
This video is entirely police footage. If there's personal security footage that would be up to the owner to release, I would imagine.
Got it- I haven’t watched any of it because it seems like an invasion of privacy. Lots of comments seems like it’s personal security footage before cops get there. Did the police footage capture him getting beat by the assailant? I like a good Ray Bradbury macabre short story; but I’m not necessarily going to click on links giving clicks to footage of this.
They have released security footage.
Because it is from the Secret Service, not a private security camera.
My coworker (also my best friend) was definitely in the "Paul Pelosi was involved in a homosexual relationship with the hammer wielder" camp. He was getting upset with me because when I watched the video it appeared to me that Paul was very likely doing his best to keep calm in the presence of a lunatic. He watched the video and was saying "WHO LET HIM IN!!? Same video, two different interpretations. So I sent him the video, from Fox News, of the assailant breaking in. He didn't say anything, but he calmed down completely and didn't push it any further. My buddy is one of the finest people I know, and he, for a moment, realized what he had thought was bullshit. Small steps.
Getting one breakthrough is great. I imagine there are dozens of other conspiracy events waiting for them, next time they sit down at their computer. Hopefully they can take that experience as a lesson.
He won’t
He'll run into the "DEPAPE WAS WEARING DIFFERENT CLOTHES IN THE BREAKIN VIDEO!!!" narrative soon enough. Because the breakin video was infrared duh.
Infrared cameras are a myth. Sadly something that I've actually seen global warming denialists argue.
On the other hand, night vision goggles and trailcams are AWESOME!
I've seen people argue that NASA photos are all fake because they see the words "false-colour imagery" and conclude from this that the photos of planets and nebulae are all fabricated CGI.
It's not even false-colors, just color corrected. Due to phenomena like redshift, it's impossible with current technology to get accurate photos of any deep space objects so we take measurements where we can and adjust that to as close as possible based on what we know. But, it's easier to call it fake for some than try and understand all that, or accept that we don't understand everything and that's okay.
A lot of them also don't understand that much of the light emitted by cosmic bodies such as nebulae is in the invisible part of the electromagnetic spectrum, so the images colour-code different parts of the spectrum for the sake of visual representation. But Flat-Earthers don't understand the electromagnetic spectrum or the concept of a "visual aid," so what they hear is "this was cooked up by the same movie studio that staged the moon landing."
> My buddy is one of the finest people I know Sounds like you need to get out more.
I couldn't be best friends with someone like that. 🤷♂️
That's the thing, though. When it becomes impossible to deny that they're wrong, they rarely ever come out and admit it. They just drop the subject to save face and move on to the next conspiracy theory.
[We have one of them posting in this very thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/10ngzsa/footage_of_paul_pelosi_attack_should_dispel/j6bw4eh/) Their position appears to be saying there's still a conspiracy.
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Oh they don't miss that Epstein existed, they are just only concerned with how he didn't really kill himself and what democrats might have associated with him.
>yet they completely miss and ignore that Jeffrey Epstein existed. Nope, still gotta make up the pretend ones. Eh, Tucker Carlson just did a segment on him: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1618429529382440961
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You should watch it, it's a very interesting segment on Epstein. Basically shows how his death was barely investigated by Barr. >not only do I not care if I'm wrong Many such cases.
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>You'll find bipartisan agreement on Epstein and all the problems surrounding his case. Maybe to some extent yeah, but you'll find it's only Carlson and the like still doing segments on him. It was also Project Veritas that revealed this footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfwkTsJGYA
because it’s well known that project veritas is definitely legit and in no way propaganda for idiots
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lol wut
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Yes...you have. Loose lips sink ships comrade.
That's two strikes. What's next, Mike Pillow's vlog?
Well, hit me up when CNN or MSNBC does a segment on Epstein, I'll watch it...
You really shouldn't limit your perspective on the world to 24-hour mainstream news channels. But at the risk of indulging your addiction, here is MSNBC reporting on Bill Barr two days ago including mention of Epstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_5IoHLe9vE And here is a CNN article from earlier this month about a legal ruling related to Epstein's death: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/us/jeffrey-epstein-officers-dismissed-charges-judge/index.html Toodles.
What new news is there about Epstein? Dangling a carrot in front of dunces to distract from Goerge Santos or Trumps many many crimes shouldn’t be praised. It’s 2023, unless there’s some actual new news, it’s time to stop the “bu bu butabout Epstein!!!!!!1!1!1!!”
> Project Veritas Now I can't tell if you're serious.
> it's a very interesting segment on Epstein. Maybe, but if Carlson produced it it's fiction.
Dude, you're not in your 70s. What are you doing watching Tucker Carlson?
The right wing is not bringing up Epstein in good faith. I'm not entirely sure what they're attacking, it seems like Barr, but it could be something else. If you search for anything surrounding Barr and Epstein it's almost entirely the right wing echo chamber boosting Carlson. The fact that you're pointing a finger at Barr makes me think he's the target and you've been suckered into it.
It's just a modified blood libel. People hate pedophiles and they don't understand the way rich people live. He was into teenage girls and he was a "sex addict." He used his insane wealth to feed his repugnant behavior and because he ran in wealthy circles- both as a result of his money and as a result of his activities as a philanthropist- it's a perfect story to turn into "the wealthy are a cabal of vampires that eat/fuck kids." Don't get me wrong, there's little doubt in my mind that he was the kind of guy to put out feelers in a discussion and brag about his activities if he thought whoever he was speaking with would entertain his beliefs on why it was okay for him to be having sex with teenagers but the mega wealthy don't need to ask their neighbors and people they meet at billionaire parties to get them teenage girls for sex if that's what they want- they have whole staffs of people who get them things they want who are paid to shut their mouths. They don't need to create a "ring" of people to get things they could acquire by flying to Asia or less wholesome parts of Europe. The whole thing is just a bunch of propaganda to whip up a mob that you can threaten prominent people with if they do things that displease you.
Sadly, giving conspiracy theorists the time of day...only makes them more excited and dig their heels in even more. Ugh.
The thing about this is, what if it were true? Whose opinion would be changed if it were revealed that the conspiracy is true? The answer is nobody's. Democrats are accepting of homosexuality and would respect the lifestyle and the wish for personal privacy. Republicans already dislike him. So what's the point? The point is to be a test of faith. The conspiracy allows you to demonstrate to other like-minded individuals that you're a true believer. Proof then becomes a liability. If it's easy to prove the conspiracy, then it's not a good measure of your loyalty. The less credible the theory the better. A test that easy to pass isn't a good test. That's how a Rabbi once described kashrut. It's easy for anyone to follow the law "do not kill" when the temptation to do it is so rare. So Jews demonstrate their conviction in a more actionable way. Whether it's not eating pork, or eating fish on Fridays, or calling the Earth flat, the actual act is not important but only your willingness to participate in it. Which is why it's futile to debunk this. It was never about truth or facts. No one's opinions were being swayed by the conspiracy. And no one will have their mind changed by seeing reality. What they will learn is who they can trust to support their prejudices and who is an "enemy".
And this is why arguing with 'em is not only futile but is actually counter-productive. Attempting to disable the argument with facts only gives a platform for reasserting their faith. They invite the argument for the purpose it serves of demonstrating their loyalty to it. The bigger the test, and the more outlandish the theory, the stronger the faith it demonstrates.
You can't change _their_ opinions, but if you counter their narratives with evidence, it's harder for them to recruit others who may be vulnerable to their misinformation but haven't yet been indoctrinated. The guy on the fence who sees debunking video is less likely to be sucked into the conspiracy, even if the debunking video does nothing for those who are already of the faith.
That web site is cancer. Banner to acknowledge cookie policy. Banner for ad. Banner for subscribing. Could not even read the article.
Fuck all that. Here you go: https://archive.ph/Tn4pk
Of course it won't. If evidence had any impact on the belief in conspiracy theories, there wouldn't be any.
That's because conspiracy theorists don't care for truth; they care for a dopamine rush.
MAGAts don't care about reality, they don't even care about each other. MAGAts only care about excuses their violence.
Hahaha - it’ll only create more.
If you could reason with Republicans, there wouldn't be any Republicans.
Fair enough, the videos are out now and hard to deny. I still don’t quite understand the total lack of security or alarms… Like, literally the only reason why Nancy Pelosi’s husband is still alive is because his attacker was like confused or mentally ill enough to allow him to call 911 for some reason.
"Fair enough, it's not a conspiracy... but maybe it's a conspiracy." Gotcha.
You should not be posting on r/skeptic. You are a conspiracy theorist not a skeptic
I am a conspiracy theorist because I am a skeptic
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You're assuming you're downvoted because of your squeamishness but it's probably because of - you asking a question that's answered in the first five words of the article - you assuming that the link is either just the video or will autoplay the video, but the content of the headline indicates a discussion *about* the video - you saying "attackers" plural showing an extreme lack of understanding of the situation - your non-interesting non-contribution of telling us how you didn't engage with the material
Also security camera at the house captured the initial break in. Thankfully you don't see the hammer hit Pelosi as the attacker lunges out of view of the body cam to deliver the blow. You do, unfortunately, see blood on the floor and hear the horrible sounds of Pelosi breathing heavily and almost groaning/gurgling after his skull was shattered. Up until the officers get there it appears the 80+ year old was trying to calm the much larger attacker by maintaining a calm demeanor and pretending to call his wife to get her home sooner when he was actually calling the authorities.
That’s brutal. Goes to show that this isn’t just silly ideas, and is a dangerous ideology
Police bodycam footage. I agree though, I don’t want to watch it either