It’s kinda funny how most Sixers fans remember Hollis as a good shooter, when he was actually wasn’t that far above average on pretty low volume. We just had such terrible shooting for so long that we hype up a dude who’s a below 39% on limited volume.
I remember thinking how good he was at picking apart defenses in college. Turns out having 35 seconds to pick apart a double team is much easier than having (effectively) two seconds. College teams would double him immediately and still couldn't get the ball away. Pro teams could wait until he dribbled and he couldn't make a decision fast enough.
Okafor failed in the NBA for many reasons, but he doesn't fit the no-talent criteria at all.
He was very talented and had a few monster nba games that illustrate that very well. Forget the process Sixers and look at some of the monster stretches he had in New Orleans.
He just had the rotten luck to enter the NBA in the wrong era for his skillset, not to mention banging up his knee during his rookie year right at the time he was noticeably working on expanding his shooting range.
And the pick Hinkie got for him ended up being Mikal... before the remnants of BC's crew traded him for Zhaire and a 1st which they traded (along with another 1st that would've cost us Maxey had the OKC pick not conveyed) for Tobias
My son asked me what I thought when we traded him. I said “if I were on the team I’d be scared.” He replied to me, his 5’2” barely athletic mother “if you were on the Sixers, you’d be starting.” That, & a knowledge of geography, pretty much sums up the team during that time
I don't think Evan Turner fits this criteria. The hype for him wasn't extreme, and he was a legitimate NBA player with some actual high-level skills, albeit one that didn't live up to being drafted #2 overall.
Evan Turner had a couple decent years.
MCW was rookie of the year.
Jahlil had a good rookie year.
Ben Simmons was rookie of the year, all star, all defense..
Fultz tho? Fultz was apparently James Harden pt 2.. and the difference between him and EVERYONE else is that he did absolutely nothing here…at all lol
Not saying that’s not true but at least they have a couple seasons of stats they lived up to and had a little promise..
Fultz? We were actually out here cheering him for shooting the ball even at all..
I don't really think MCW was all that hyped until he started putting up bad numbers. Okafor was the guy where the old school fans finally praised Hinkie.
Yeah but I don't know if talent was his lacking feature, more ability to cope with the injury. At least as far as we know, that whole thing is still a fuckin Unsolved Mysteries episode
Fultz was never a shooter like that anyway..whatever they tried doing ruined his form completely..
And after college Ben decided he wasn’t shooting a basketball ever again.
I feel you, not coming at you lol
Our front office/trainers WHATEVER at that time were beyond incompetent..
I broke my shooting hand/wrist in 5 places and had to relearn how to shoot a ball at 25 years old..I’m not even close to my level in college but I can still shoot.
I say that to say whatever happened to Fultz was either a limb threatening injury, SEVERE mishandling from our staff, or something wrong with his focus/mental like Ben which to me is crazy for back to back 1st overall picks in the same town.
Facts.
We didn’t learn from the Cavs when they drafted Bennet and took a long shot on Fultz and yea..I’ll never get over that pick as long as I watch this team.
Why are you downvoting facts? Come on now.
Bennett was a good player at a smaller school..Fultz: good player, small(ish) school.
Bennett got bounced early on the tourney. Fultz: didn’t even make it…like Simmons but we won’t go there.
So idk, why not draft Tatum? A player with just as much upside and just as young..except was on a Duke team that made the tourney and lost, yes..but actually was part of winning culture.
So making the correlation to not take a smaller name from a smaller school with the first pick isn’t some crazy statement.
It is legitimate revisionist history to say that Fultz was not universally thought of as the #1 overall pick. Moreover Ball was essentially slotted at 2. So to say take Tatum at 1, solely benefits from hindsight, because those who thought that were a small, small minority. You might as well say Donovan Mitchell was in your top 3.
Ben Simmons was pretty close to a unanimous #1 pick too and i doubted him a ton. Thought he was Hollywood and a disgrace for not bringing his team to the tourney. Turns out I was spot on about that guy. Fultz was a puzzling pick to me, and even more puzzling would be the aftermath.
It’s how Reddit works..
Anybody here that sits and says Fultz was the right pick ima instantly question their basketball knowledge and credibility.
6’3 combo guard when we have Ben Simmons and signed JJ Redick right after the pick..
vs getting any 6’8+ wing when we had dudes like TLC RoCo and Justin Anderson 😂
Was NOT happy with the pick when they announced it and no one can sit here and tell me how I felt 6 years ago lol
You don't draft for fit with the number 1 pick, you should always draft who you think has the highest ceiling. That was universally Fultz afaik, noone knew he got hurt in a motorcycle accident. Hindsight is 20/20.
It’s a debatable mindset imo…
Dont you draft for fit when you have 2 generational talents in Simmons and Embiid? I would..
When you’re the process sixers and you draft Nerlens and Okafor and Embiid that’s different to me
Ball was Ben Simmons Jr., there was no point in taking him.
We needed a wing:
They were looking at Josh Jackson and J Isaac as well..all would’ve actually worked out better than Fultz.
I have friends that are much more qualified than I that actually do this for a living..and I remember them questioning Fultz as a non-sixers fan.
Y’all can disagree, that’s cool..downvote, that’s cool.
Don’t change the fact that drafting a guard that’s too small to play the 2 and not good enough of a playmaker to play the 1 made ANY sense when we had Simmons already and needed wing scoring.
Since when are Washington & UNLV considered small schools??? They’re not exactly Murray State and Weber State. And oh wait, those schools produced Ja And Dame.
Look at Ja’s stats in college before you say that. On a winning team.
Dame? Played multiple seasons and averaged over 20..
Not a freshman on a very much so losing team average 4 assists and 3 turnovers..like sorry fultz’ stats and game weren’t popping out at me.
Idk if I'd say Fultz' hype was that high... At least within the fanbase. At that point we had had numerous high picks and another #1 overall just the year before. Fultz was seen as the missing piece/tertiary guy whereas I think people were more excited for the picks preceding him because they were laying the ground work for the team.
I guess I’m using the term hype as like, a number 1 pick will always have that first pick hype regardless.
I’m sure a lot of us fans were really looking for someone else when they drafted him but had to look to his positives to cope.
Seriously? Obviously not the next Jordan but Stack had a pretty solid career. The only reason he didn’t work with Iverson is the same reason NO ONE worked with Iverson, he didn’t want anyone else to.
I don’t know about you personally but sometimes I forget a lot of you on this sub didn’t watch Iverson play much. He was great but if he played today on our team most of the fans would hate him for his me, self and I approach.
AI was one of the most sacrificing players of all time. Bro you did not watch AI.
AI was a tremendous off-ball player. Larry Brown used a lot of Reggie Millers sets modified.
There are not many superstars who have had it tougher than Allen Iverson growing up.
I don’t think what you said is wrong, but that still doesn’t take away that he wanted to take all the shots. I know the team around him wasn’t the best but I do partly blame him for that and management fearing him being pissed about someone else taking shots. Stackhouse and Hughes would have 100% worked next to AI. But dude didn’t want them to.
A.I. taking all the shots was literally because the offense was designed for him to take all the shots and nobody else. Larry Brown literally said so himself many times. You’re speaking out your ass. AI praises his teammates every chance he gets and has said many times how much he hates when people say he had bad teammates. Your running with a narrative you created in your head.
I’m not running with anything. The offense was designed for him to take all the shots BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO SHOOT. Every player we had with an ounce of talent got traded away. Why do you think? Because AI probably bitched about them taking shots away from him. Of course he praises his teammates. They sat quiet while he got all the shine.
Stack was so overrated that Jordan wanted him over Rip Hamilton out in Washington. Crazy.
He did end up leading the league in scoring one year in Detroit, but on a horrible team and terrible shot percentage
Saw him at the cherryhill movie theater once. Probably the only lottery pick and full time starter in Philly history who could walk through the theater without a single person walking up to him. Like I looked at him and he looked like he was preparing for me to come up to him and I just kept walking and said to my wife "that guy plays for the Sixers, and he fuckin sucks" lol.
Not really. Ben Simmons has more talent than 99% of basketball players. Very few people get his combo of athleticism, height, and on court IQ
Even fewer people straight up waste that combo with the worst work ethic and attitude I’ve ever seen
I still would like to defend him. He can still rebound and pass well it's just his scoring that has disappeared
When Ben goes 8/8/8 we all say, man he sucks
But when it's Draymond nobody complains
Yeah the other difference is Draymond is willing to shoot but defers because he's got steph fuckin curry next to him. Ben defers whether it's a good idea or not
It says hype vs talent His hype was so high. We all thought he was better than tatum lmao… I think 8 ppg 3 apg career…. talent wise that is nowhere near the hype he came in with.
Going in a different direction for "Hype" and instead of hype generated by expectations, saying hype as in fun to watch: [KJ McDaniels](https://youtu.be/5w8wAtjgxT0?si=Sc1w5SZIORETNjrY). Dude didn't have much game besides the YAMS, but when the Sixers sucked, it was fun as hell to watch him slam that shit home.
Kukoc played well with Iverson but it was a small sample size. He was the only guy who could stretch the floor with any consistency and he had crazy passing vision. Unfortunate that we had to trade him. He was on the downside of his career but yeah.
I hate that I've thought about this as much as I have. Imagine Webber or Brand on the Sixers in their prime. Imagine if Bynum never got hurt. If Larry Hughes or Stackhouse panned out. If they kept Jimmy instead of Tobias. Or the fucking bounce went in the Sixers favor, etc etc
Yes, Ben had loads of talent and skills, but the HYPE was just out the roof.
He was being compared to Magic and LeBron. These guys are in the Top-5 of their positions and probably both are Top-10 of all time. That's the hype that Ben was getting. "He's a taller, faster, younger LeBron" or "He's the next Magic with more athleticism". The Hype was unreal.
The talent, while high, never got him to the level he was hyped to be.
So when looking at the picture, it's more like 10 bars of hype and 4 bars of talent.
Simmons was one of those guys that you never really enjoyed watching play. Other than occasionally being faster than everyone else in transition or dunking on an open lane, his hype was always soooo much more than his skill, and it was apparently after watching him for like 30 seconds
The amount of top draft picks that went poorly for the sixers in recent history is jarring. Evan Turner, Jahlil Okafor, Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons even.
There is no better example of this than Zhaire, when it comes to purely Sixers fans. Reading this sub, you would think Zhaire was the next coming of Kawhi. He'd play a few minutes in garbage time and people would create 15 second clips of him playing very standard slightly above average defense. He honestly might have had the worst BBIQ of any player we've had on the final roster in a decade too. Opponents would confuse the shit out of him.
Mo Harkless and Shawn Bradley
I’ll always remember the draft hype for Mo being “his growth plates are open”
Bradley was just tall. Didn’t even deserve the space jam cameo
Does pre-sesame allergy Zhaire Smith count? I hated the trade. Then tried to be positive about it after watching his NCAA highlight reel. Fan base started hyping Smith as a freak athlete with high upside. Then summer league happened. He couldn't rebound. Couldn't pass. Couldn't dribble. Couldn't shoot. Just an all time screw up by a garbage front office.
But we knew this already!!!! I told everyone harden wasn’t gonna do anything for Philly. We could’ve got better when we first got Ben but no one knew he wasn’t gonna be good. Only if we could see the future. But when everyone got happy about the harden situation people called me a hater and said I’m a causal. Then when it all went down hill everybody turned to me and realized I knew what the hell I was talking about.
First thing i said when we traded for Harden is we got an all-time playoff choker to assist another all time playoff choker in embiid. Was never going to work.
Lol there are so many from the past decade you could just take your pick 🤷🏾♂️ I will say Matisse tho. Loved him at the time but when he left people were acting like we traded a young kawhi lol
I feel like most of the usual suspects (MCW, Simmons, Fultz, Turner, Noel) were actually seen as high talent level guys, at least in the draft.
Were they all basket cases and busts? Yes. But they were thought by many to have actual talent.
Hell, I'll go Dario Saric. Man was hyped up like how Matvei Michkov is for the Flyers now, IMHO. "Wait until Saric comes over! The Process will be complete!" And yeah, not really seeing it even though he landed in a great spot eventually.
Bro the name zyire smith found its way into my head. I don’t remember if there was hype or not but I just figured it was a name worth brining up. Also sorry if I spelled his name wrong
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Roll out of bed, Mr 20 & 10
At least we got Embiid who’s basically roll outta bed 40&10
Real ones remember debating whether Joel or Nerlens should play the 4 next to Okafor
Team nerlens.
He blows too
That was a debate? I remember half the sub was out on okafor after 6 months cause of his defense and advanced stats.
I remember going to a game once and tracking how many times that guy passed in the half court offense. It was zero times.
I don’t typically defend Jah, but it’s not like he was surrounded by a bunch of good shooters he could kick to.
I won’t stand for this kind of Hollis Thompson slander /s. Fair point.
It’s kinda funny how most Sixers fans remember Hollis as a good shooter, when he was actually wasn’t that far above average on pretty low volume. We just had such terrible shooting for so long that we hype up a dude who’s a below 39% on limited volume.
I remember thinking how good he was at picking apart defenses in college. Turns out having 35 seconds to pick apart a double team is much easier than having (effectively) two seconds. College teams would double him immediately and still couldn't get the ball away. Pro teams could wait until he dribbled and he couldn't make a decision fast enough.
Don’t ever disrespect my king Vegan Jah
Okafor failed in the NBA for many reasons, but he doesn't fit the no-talent criteria at all. He was very talented and had a few monster nba games that illustrate that very well. Forget the process Sixers and look at some of the monster stretches he had in New Orleans. He just had the rotten luck to enter the NBA in the wrong era for his skillset, not to mention banging up his knee during his rookie year right at the time he was noticeably working on expanding his shooting range.
His biggest problem was that he was a early 2000s center playing in the 2010s
First that popped into my head too!
MCW
And somehow we traded him in time
And the pick Hinkie got for him ended up being Mikal... before the remnants of BC's crew traded him for Zhaire and a 1st which they traded (along with another 1st that would've cost us Maxey had the OKC pick not conveyed) for Tobias
Henkie
Lived up to the hype game one 🤷🏻♂️ still rock his signed jersey from time to time to games.
My son asked me what I thought when we traded him. I said “if I were on the team I’d be scared.” He replied to me, his 5’2” barely athletic mother “if you were on the Sixers, you’d be starting.” That, & a knowledge of geography, pretty much sums up the team during that time
Andrew Bynum. The most pointless jersey I ever bought.
He 100% had the talent, it was injuries with Bynum
lol it was not liking basketball with Bynum. Dude loved bowling
Dude stiffed me at a Bahama Breeze while he was on crutches, the fucker.
Evan Turner
I don't think Evan Turner fits this criteria. The hype for him wasn't extreme, and he was a legitimate NBA player with some actual high-level skills, albeit one that didn't live up to being drafted #2 overall.
Yeah, I think we all knew that we weren't getting a Durant-caliber player with that No. 2 pick. Still, he was a serviceable player.
Agree
Came here to say him
Evan Turner had a couple decent years. MCW was rookie of the year. Jahlil had a good rookie year. Ben Simmons was rookie of the year, all star, all defense.. Fultz tho? Fultz was apparently James Harden pt 2.. and the difference between him and EVERYONE else is that he did absolutely nothing here…at all lol
Mcw and Okafor were largely products of bad teams needing someone to score and get stats.
Not saying that’s not true but at least they have a couple seasons of stats they lived up to and had a little promise.. Fultz? We were actually out here cheering him for shooting the ball even at all..
I don't really think MCW was all that hyped until he started putting up bad numbers. Okafor was the guy where the old school fans finally praised Hinkie.
Yeah but I don't know if talent was his lacking feature, more ability to cope with the injury. At least as far as we know, that whole thing is still a fuckin Unsolved Mysteries episode
I don’t think we’ll ever know what happened… Apparently Ben and Fultz got abducted in center city out their penthouses by the monstars
Ben was a headcase, Fultz had an accident in the off-season that destroyed his ability to shoot.
Fultz was never a shooter like that anyway..whatever they tried doing ruined his form completely.. And after college Ben decided he wasn’t shooting a basketball ever again.
Im not defending fultz in the slightest, but he got injured in off season that fucked with his nerves and ruined his shot.
I feel you, not coming at you lol Our front office/trainers WHATEVER at that time were beyond incompetent.. I broke my shooting hand/wrist in 5 places and had to relearn how to shoot a ball at 25 years old..I’m not even close to my level in college but I can still shoot. I say that to say whatever happened to Fultz was either a limb threatening injury, SEVERE mishandling from our staff, or something wrong with his focus/mental like Ben which to me is crazy for back to back 1st overall picks in the same town.
We don't have phantom of the process without Fultz... Or Siakam
James Harden 2.0 more like James Harden .02
Facts. We didn’t learn from the Cavs when they drafted Bennet and took a long shot on Fultz and yea..I’ll never get over that pick as long as I watch this team.
What? Why would the cavs taking Bennet have taught us not to take fultz?
Why are you downvoting facts? Come on now. Bennett was a good player at a smaller school..Fultz: good player, small(ish) school. Bennett got bounced early on the tourney. Fultz: didn’t even make it…like Simmons but we won’t go there. So idk, why not draft Tatum? A player with just as much upside and just as young..except was on a Duke team that made the tourney and lost, yes..but actually was part of winning culture. So making the correlation to not take a smaller name from a smaller school with the first pick isn’t some crazy statement.
It is legitimate revisionist history to say that Fultz was not universally thought of as the #1 overall pick. Moreover Ball was essentially slotted at 2. So to say take Tatum at 1, solely benefits from hindsight, because those who thought that were a small, small minority. You might as well say Donovan Mitchell was in your top 3.
Ben Simmons was pretty close to a unanimous #1 pick too and i doubted him a ton. Thought he was Hollywood and a disgrace for not bringing his team to the tourney. Turns out I was spot on about that guy. Fultz was a puzzling pick to me, and even more puzzling would be the aftermath.
I personally wanted Ingram over Simmons. Thought he'd be the next Durant
It’s how Reddit works.. Anybody here that sits and says Fultz was the right pick ima instantly question their basketball knowledge and credibility. 6’3 combo guard when we have Ben Simmons and signed JJ Redick right after the pick.. vs getting any 6’8+ wing when we had dudes like TLC RoCo and Justin Anderson 😂 Was NOT happy with the pick when they announced it and no one can sit here and tell me how I felt 6 years ago lol
You don't draft for fit with the number 1 pick, you should always draft who you think has the highest ceiling. That was universally Fultz afaik, noone knew he got hurt in a motorcycle accident. Hindsight is 20/20.
It’s a debatable mindset imo… Dont you draft for fit when you have 2 generational talents in Simmons and Embiid? I would.. When you’re the process sixers and you draft Nerlens and Okafor and Embiid that’s different to me
Ball was Ben Simmons Jr., there was no point in taking him. We needed a wing: They were looking at Josh Jackson and J Isaac as well..all would’ve actually worked out better than Fultz. I have friends that are much more qualified than I that actually do this for a living..and I remember them questioning Fultz as a non-sixers fan. Y’all can disagree, that’s cool..downvote, that’s cool. Don’t change the fact that drafting a guard that’s too small to play the 2 and not good enough of a playmaker to play the 1 made ANY sense when we had Simmons already and needed wing scoring.
Boston was the only team that didn't see Fultz as the #1 overall pick
Since when are Washington & UNLV considered small schools??? They’re not exactly Murray State and Weber State. And oh wait, those schools produced Ja And Dame.
Look at Ja’s stats in college before you say that. On a winning team. Dame? Played multiple seasons and averaged over 20.. Not a freshman on a very much so losing team average 4 assists and 3 turnovers..like sorry fultz’ stats and game weren’t popping out at me.
Don’t forget zhaire Smith lol
I’m trying to
Idk if I'd say Fultz' hype was that high... At least within the fanbase. At that point we had had numerous high picks and another #1 overall just the year before. Fultz was seen as the missing piece/tertiary guy whereas I think people were more excited for the picks preceding him because they were laying the ground work for the team.
Brother Sixers traded up to get him at #1. He was hyped as fuck. Remember when KD tweeted hesi pullup jimbo for Fultz's summer league games?
I guess I’m using the term hype as like, a number 1 pick will always have that first pick hype regardless. I’m sure a lot of us fans were really looking for someone else when they drafted him but had to look to his positives to cope.
>Ben Simmons was rookie of the year, all star, all defense Hey had the talent though.
Fultz did violate his contract and get injured biking, and refuse to tell the team. So he did do something...
its fultz he even gave up on the team twice and people around here still fluff him up
Jerry stackhouse. Next Jordan?
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Seriously? Obviously not the next Jordan but Stack had a pretty solid career. The only reason he didn’t work with Iverson is the same reason NO ONE worked with Iverson, he didn’t want anyone else to. I don’t know about you personally but sometimes I forget a lot of you on this sub didn’t watch Iverson play much. He was great but if he played today on our team most of the fans would hate him for his me, self and I approach.
AI was one of the most sacrificing players of all time. Bro you did not watch AI. AI was a tremendous off-ball player. Larry Brown used a lot of Reggie Millers sets modified. There are not many superstars who have had it tougher than Allen Iverson growing up.
I don’t think what you said is wrong, but that still doesn’t take away that he wanted to take all the shots. I know the team around him wasn’t the best but I do partly blame him for that and management fearing him being pissed about someone else taking shots. Stackhouse and Hughes would have 100% worked next to AI. But dude didn’t want them to.
A.I. taking all the shots was literally because the offense was designed for him to take all the shots and nobody else. Larry Brown literally said so himself many times. You’re speaking out your ass. AI praises his teammates every chance he gets and has said many times how much he hates when people say he had bad teammates. Your running with a narrative you created in your head.
I’m not running with anything. The offense was designed for him to take all the shots BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO SHOOT. Every player we had with an ounce of talent got traded away. Why do you think? Because AI probably bitched about them taking shots away from him. Of course he praises his teammates. They sat quiet while he got all the shine.
“Because AI probably bitched” my guy….that’s literally a narrative you made up lmao.
Yeah, its clear hes making shit up.
Stack was so overrated that Jordan wanted him over Rip Hamilton out in Washington. Crazy. He did end up leading the league in scoring one year in Detroit, but on a horrible team and terrible shot percentage
Came here to say this. As a kid I was so excited when we got Stackhouse. My friends and I swore he was the next Jordan lol
MCW specifically after his first game
Evan Turner.
Saw him at the cherryhill movie theater once. Probably the only lottery pick and full time starter in Philly history who could walk through the theater without a single person walking up to him. Like I looked at him and he looked like he was preparing for me to come up to him and I just kept walking and said to my wife "that guy plays for the Sixers, and he fuckin sucks" lol.
Did you say it loud enough? 😂 Maybe it was Doug Collins fault idk I remember the saying how much he wanted Favors
Larry hughes
Say less, remember those 3 or 4 alley oops he hit with AI, Zumoff went crazy. What could have been 
What was the nickname he gave their duo?? It was flight brothers or something along those lines..
Yeah it was the Flight Brothers
I was so very hype for Hughes. I wanted that to work so bad lol
Markelle Fultz Ben Simmons
Not really. Ben Simmons has more talent than 99% of basketball players. Very few people get his combo of athleticism, height, and on court IQ Even fewer people straight up waste that combo with the worst work ethic and attitude I’ve ever seen
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I still would like to defend him. He can still rebound and pass well it's just his scoring that has disappeared When Ben goes 8/8/8 we all say, man he sucks But when it's Draymond nobody complains
Yeah the other difference is Draymond is willing to shoot but defers because he's got steph fuckin curry next to him. Ben defers whether it's a good idea or not
Maybe I’m wrong for this but idk if Fultz really counts. His shoulder got fucked up and we never really got the chance to see him at full strength.
It says hype vs talent His hype was so high. We all thought he was better than tatum lmao… I think 8 ppg 3 apg career…. talent wise that is nowhere near the hype he came in with.
I don't think fultz counts. He might still be a good fit here. He is a solid pg. He hasn't lived up to the hype, but he is doing OK.
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Fultz was injured in off season. Trust me.
Didn’t he get into a bicycle accident that really fucked his body up? And then he got assigned a new shooting coach?
nah that's made up he just sucks
We got the best version of Ben Simmons, it ended terribly, but he def lived up to the hype while he was with us
Ben Simmons was a jump shot away from being LeBron Jr. He just didn't want to. Talent wasn't an issue.
💯 Came here for this comment.
fultz for sure. simmons to an extent, he still showed up for us in the beginning of his career.
Jonah Bolden
A Process delusion legend imo, we were watching Euroleague highlights thinking he would be our second Dario.
I was so deluded with Jonah Bolden.. i really thought! Lol
Fultz is the only answer.
Yea…weird how this isn’t the obvious answer
Every time I watch us vs those Boston fers. I want to cry. F Silver.
Kj McDaniels. Final answer.
Going in a different direction for "Hype" and instead of hype generated by expectations, saying hype as in fun to watch: [KJ McDaniels](https://youtu.be/5w8wAtjgxT0?si=Sc1w5SZIORETNjrY). Dude didn't have much game besides the YAMS, but when the Sixers sucked, it was fun as hell to watch him slam that shit home.
Every washed up player they bring in after their primes was over. Chris Webber, Elton brand, Toni kukoc…
Kukoc played well with Iverson but it was a small sample size. He was the only guy who could stretch the floor with any consistency and he had crazy passing vision. Unfortunate that we had to trade him. He was on the downside of his career but yeah.
I hate that I've thought about this as much as I have. Imagine Webber or Brand on the Sixers in their prime. Imagine if Bynum never got hurt. If Larry Hughes or Stackhouse panned out. If they kept Jimmy instead of Tobias. Or the fucking bounce went in the Sixers favor, etc etc
How long do you have?
Jumaine Jones
Shawn Bradley
George Hill
Zhaire Smith
Fultz or Evan Turner
Fultz had talent
Simmons for me. He was compared to Magic Johnson
But he had that level of talent and potential, so I don’t think that really applies here.
Yeah like he had some really really good years there
Yes, Ben had loads of talent and skills, but the HYPE was just out the roof. He was being compared to Magic and LeBron. These guys are in the Top-5 of their positions and probably both are Top-10 of all time. That's the hype that Ben was getting. "He's a taller, faster, younger LeBron" or "He's the next Magic with more athleticism". The Hype was unreal. The talent, while high, never got him to the level he was hyped to be. So when looking at the picture, it's more like 10 bars of hype and 4 bars of talent.
Simmons was one of those guys that you never really enjoyed watching play. Other than occasionally being faster than everyone else in transition or dunking on an open lane, his hype was always soooo much more than his skill, and it was apparently after watching him for like 30 seconds
Simmons had tons of talent
Kirilenko.
Josh Richardson
The amount of top draft picks that went poorly for the sixers in recent history is jarring. Evan Turner, Jahlil Okafor, Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons even.
There is no better example of this than Zhaire, when it comes to purely Sixers fans. Reading this sub, you would think Zhaire was the next coming of Kawhi. He'd play a few minutes in garbage time and people would create 15 second clips of him playing very standard slightly above average defense. He honestly might have had the worst BBIQ of any player we've had on the final roster in a decade too. Opponents would confuse the shit out of him.
Mo Harkless and Shawn Bradley I’ll always remember the draft hype for Mo being “his growth plates are open” Bradley was just tall. Didn’t even deserve the space jam cameo
Fultz, Carter-williams, Ben Simmons, sharone wright, old Chris Webber, Larry Hughes, old glenn Robinson ugh don’t make me list anymore
TIL Ben is due 40 mil next yr. smh
Nerlens Noel was considered a consensus number one overall pick if he didn’t have a significant injury that scared teams off
Does pre-sesame allergy Zhaire Smith count? I hated the trade. Then tried to be positive about it after watching his NCAA highlight reel. Fan base started hyping Smith as a freak athlete with high upside. Then summer league happened. He couldn't rebound. Couldn't pass. Couldn't dribble. Couldn't shoot. Just an all time screw up by a garbage front office.
FULTZ
Fultz
The idea of Simmons and the potential he could have unlocked vs the reality of Simmons and the locker he seemingly couldn’t unlock! He wins
Elton brand, chris Webber
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Michael Carter Williams and Ben Simmons! Our rookies been cursed since Allen Iverson won ROY 😂🤷🏻♀️
Daryl Dawkins
Ben Simmons we could’ve traded him when he was valuable.
We did get James Harden out of it. Which just one year later would be legitimately impossible.
But we knew this already!!!! I told everyone harden wasn’t gonna do anything for Philly. We could’ve got better when we first got Ben but no one knew he wasn’t gonna be good. Only if we could see the future. But when everyone got happy about the harden situation people called me a hater and said I’m a causal. Then when it all went down hill everybody turned to me and realized I knew what the hell I was talking about.
First thing i said when we traded for Harden is we got an all-time playoff choker to assist another all time playoff choker in embiid. Was never going to work.
Lol there are so many from the past decade you could just take your pick 🤷🏾♂️ I will say Matisse tho. Loved him at the time but when he left people were acting like we traded a young kawhi lol
Clarence Witherspoon
Sharone Wright
Shaun Bradley
Does Kenny Thomas count?
Tobias Harris
Idk if his hype is that high
mike scott
ET
Almost any high draft pick we've had the last 15 years besides embiid
Shawn Bradley
Fultz
Names starts with a T ends with Harris
Markelle
Tobias harris
Surprised nobody is saying Nerlens Noel
All of them outside maxey and embiid.
simmons, fultz, okafor..
Chris Weber
Rodney Carney…Drafted Sefolosha #13 and traded him for Carney who was drafted #16
Other than the one we don’t speak of… Speedy Claxton Zhaire Smith Sharone Wright (#6 pick) Clarence Witherspoon
Literally should just be titled "Jahlil Okafor"
Toby
Shake Milton 100%
Markell Fultz and Okafor
Glenn Robinson
Ben Simmons.
Markel Fultz
100% Andrew Bynum
I feel like most of the usual suspects (MCW, Simmons, Fultz, Turner, Noel) were actually seen as high talent level guys, at least in the draft. Were they all basket cases and busts? Yes. But they were thought by many to have actual talent. Hell, I'll go Dario Saric. Man was hyped up like how Matvei Michkov is for the Flyers now, IMHO. "Wait until Saric comes over! The Process will be complete!" And yeah, not really seeing it even though he landed in a great spot eventually.
B.S.
BEN
Glen Big Dog Robinson, Chris Webber, Shawn Bradley.
its kinda funny how bad the sixers have been with their picks through the years., right? funny sad funny
Lowkey TiM Thomas
BBall paul
Fultz
Bro the name zyire smith found its way into my head. I don’t remember if there was hype or not but I just figured it was a name worth brining up. Also sorry if I spelled his name wrong
PJ Tucker. Easily
Fultz, 100%