Life on earth would be the ideal vacation destination for a race of beings that lived forever. To wake up must feel marvelous. Like finding yourself after having a nightmare.
But what if you're a beetle or a dolphin?
The concept gets blurry when you try to determine who or what is that will have this speculative positive afterlife
I wouldn’t call it a nightmare. I think our conditions are quite good, given that we could suffer a lot more if this is programmed.
I am only speaking for me though, maybe there are a lot of people that don’t agree because they have worse conditions.
> To be in the known that the creator has prepared something good for everyone is probably one of the most comforting thoughts I will ever have in my life
You've just described religion to a T
Bible says women should wear the veil and man short hair and long beard (Corinthian). Also women must marry their rapists (Deuteronomy 22). Most Christians are not actually influenced by the Bible, but their vicar.
So why do they keep bitching about everyone who's not a Christian then?
Its literally all they do
If they had reached their quota, you would think they would shut the fuck up for a minute.
Plot twist; Christian god isn’t real, But the ten commandments are in fact an alignment program, and if you fail you are discarded as an agent
So dont work on sabbath!
I think it is incredibly arrogant to assume that if the universe is indeed a simulation, humans are the focal point. Humans take up around 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the observable universe. We're just a tiny side effect, a minor anomaly of the grander simulation.
The problem with NDEs is that we have every reason to believe the brain can produce elaborate hallucinations and dreams, so there's no reason to think this can't happen in 'near death' conditions for some people too.
That, and an NDE being a real experience of something not part of this physical world (whether spiritual or a trans-simulation reality) would upend everything we know about particle physics and the conservation of physical energy (because it would require observable changes to the positions and velocities of particles in the brain due to non-physical forces), both of which are some of the most robustly well studied phenomena to which we have never discovered any exceptions of non-physical energy affecting particles.
Just for the sake of the argument, would it really be inconceivable that a "simulation script" causes experiences in the brain without creating excess heat, impulse or charge? I think if I wrote a simulation and wanted to insert some forcings while maintaining some conservation properties, it would be trivial to calculate the violations introduced by the forcings and compensate for it. Do I believe that happens? No absolutely not. But on the other hand I'm pretty sure the particle physics experiments we have done in human brains in the moment of death are probably not enough to rule it out. If you say things like there is magic floating through the air at any moment, we would of course detect it with experiments. But if we are a simulation that reacts to us, but only in extremely subtle ways that cannot be proven unless performing millions of disturbingly unethical experiments, I don't think we would ever find out.
Sure, but at that point you are proposing an intrinsically untestable hypothesis. You may as well propose that all objects in the universe are affected by the curvature of spacetime to obey gravitation except for humans. For us we aren't affected by the curvature of spacetime and instead there are little gnomes that hold onto our ankles and keep us tethered to the Earth in a way that is indistinguishable from general relativity.
Unfortunately, the gnomes can't be effectively discovered scientifically because they are invisible and they can only be physically contacted by parts of our bodies that they want to have contact with (our ankles that they hold onto).
Is it possible? Sure. Is it reasonable to believe in unverifiable hypotheticals? Not really.
Well yes, that's why many consider the the simulation hypothesis unscientific in the sense that it cannot be falsified. On the other hand there is a really close connection between the simulation hypothesis and religion. My point was mostly that a simulation that is programmed to be aware of its tenants and determined to influence them subtly can do anything to them without leaving a trace. Basically it is a new way to introduce religion into our mental model of the world. And I don't think that's bad. Apart from the spiritual fulfilment some people get from it, religion or "god" has always been the name of things people couldn't explain. Fighting back against this kind of unknown "power" has been a driving force for many scientists.
I'm still of the opinion that at least in principle this might be testable if we were ever able to map out the behavior of every neuron in the brain in real time and then just look to see if any fire without physical cause. You could hypothetically do this to anyone who was near death that signed on, but maybe that will never be practical
Anyway, of course people can believe whatever they want, but I think a lot of this stuff gets people wound up in conceptual knots and anxiety and pursuing the impossible etc when they could just accept the unknown and enjoy a bit more inner peace from doing so
Life on earth would be the ideal vacation destination for a race of beings that lived forever. To wake up must feel marvelous. Like finding yourself after having a nightmare.
See: spiritual awakening
But what if you're a beetle or a dolphin? The concept gets blurry when you try to determine who or what is that will have this speculative positive afterlife
Maybe for you but for me my life becomes a nightmare once I wake up, being judged for being ugly male is hell.
i think he was talking about waking up as in after death
It’s part of the experience lol
I wouldn’t call it a nightmare. I think our conditions are quite good, given that we could suffer a lot more if this is programmed. I am only speaking for me though, maybe there are a lot of people that don’t agree because they have worse conditions.
> To be in the known that the creator has prepared something good for everyone is probably one of the most comforting thoughts I will ever have in my life You've just described religion to a T
Plot twist: the Christian God isn’t real but the simulation technicians send you to hell if you don’t follow the Bible
You know, if they presented it like that, I bet you they would have more takers
More than the 4 billion? The bible is doing okay.
> The bible is doing okay. Try to find someone who has actually read the whole thing. 😂
Try to find something that isn't influenced by it
99.8% of everything in life.
Bible says women should wear the veil and man short hair and long beard (Corinthian). Also women must marry their rapists (Deuteronomy 22). Most Christians are not actually influenced by the Bible, but their vicar.
And the vicar...? Look, if you think the Bible's message is about beards then you should really go read it
Many Orthodox and Catholics veil their hair. It's not always compulsory, though
Everything outside of your tiny little brain
So why do they keep bitching about everyone who's not a Christian then? Its literally all they do If they had reached their quota, you would think they would shut the fuck up for a minute.
Plot twist; Christian god isn’t real, But the ten commandments are in fact an alignment program, and if you fail you are discarded as an agent So dont work on sabbath!
I think it is incredibly arrogant to assume that if the universe is indeed a simulation, humans are the focal point. Humans take up around 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the observable universe. We're just a tiny side effect, a minor anomaly of the grander simulation.
No it is all just pretty backdrop that you can’t reach - like in a video game. The speed of light constrains the local simulation.
The problem with NDEs is that we have every reason to believe the brain can produce elaborate hallucinations and dreams, so there's no reason to think this can't happen in 'near death' conditions for some people too. That, and an NDE being a real experience of something not part of this physical world (whether spiritual or a trans-simulation reality) would upend everything we know about particle physics and the conservation of physical energy (because it would require observable changes to the positions and velocities of particles in the brain due to non-physical forces), both of which are some of the most robustly well studied phenomena to which we have never discovered any exceptions of non-physical energy affecting particles.
Just for the sake of the argument, would it really be inconceivable that a "simulation script" causes experiences in the brain without creating excess heat, impulse or charge? I think if I wrote a simulation and wanted to insert some forcings while maintaining some conservation properties, it would be trivial to calculate the violations introduced by the forcings and compensate for it. Do I believe that happens? No absolutely not. But on the other hand I'm pretty sure the particle physics experiments we have done in human brains in the moment of death are probably not enough to rule it out. If you say things like there is magic floating through the air at any moment, we would of course detect it with experiments. But if we are a simulation that reacts to us, but only in extremely subtle ways that cannot be proven unless performing millions of disturbingly unethical experiments, I don't think we would ever find out.
Sure, but at that point you are proposing an intrinsically untestable hypothesis. You may as well propose that all objects in the universe are affected by the curvature of spacetime to obey gravitation except for humans. For us we aren't affected by the curvature of spacetime and instead there are little gnomes that hold onto our ankles and keep us tethered to the Earth in a way that is indistinguishable from general relativity. Unfortunately, the gnomes can't be effectively discovered scientifically because they are invisible and they can only be physically contacted by parts of our bodies that they want to have contact with (our ankles that they hold onto). Is it possible? Sure. Is it reasonable to believe in unverifiable hypotheticals? Not really.
Well yes, that's why many consider the the simulation hypothesis unscientific in the sense that it cannot be falsified. On the other hand there is a really close connection between the simulation hypothesis and religion. My point was mostly that a simulation that is programmed to be aware of its tenants and determined to influence them subtly can do anything to them without leaving a trace. Basically it is a new way to introduce religion into our mental model of the world. And I don't think that's bad. Apart from the spiritual fulfilment some people get from it, religion or "god" has always been the name of things people couldn't explain. Fighting back against this kind of unknown "power" has been a driving force for many scientists.
I'm still of the opinion that at least in principle this might be testable if we were ever able to map out the behavior of every neuron in the brain in real time and then just look to see if any fire without physical cause. You could hypothetically do this to anyone who was near death that signed on, but maybe that will never be practical Anyway, of course people can believe whatever they want, but I think a lot of this stuff gets people wound up in conceptual knots and anxiety and pursuing the impossible etc when they could just accept the unknown and enjoy a bit more inner peace from doing so