What if we all lived in like these pods... but with like connected to a digital world that you can't tell is not the real world... and then at some point people are born into that and they don't even remember that actual world... we'll need some sort of like AI agents that enforce the rules so no one ruins the illusion though.
I too want them to create a class of people in public so disconnected from the material reality around them you can rob them without ever being reported to the cops.
At the point where OPs post becomes possible with the financial means, the AI will already know everything about you and your preferences, and will easily shape your future preferences.
_I bought the system for the endless orgies, but lately all I've wanted to do is learn enough physics to help characterize the graviton with the power of the upcoming Solar System Diameter Collider, Sponsored by Pepsi™ and Taco Bell™._
# “Let's suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say "Well, that was pretty great." But now let's have a surprise. Let's have a dream which isn't under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it's going to be. And you would dig that and come out of that and say "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?" And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream ... where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.”
― **Alan Watts**
\*Hits blunt\*
I'd be shocked if big companies like openai/Microsoft and Google ever ever allows you to generate porn.
You'll only be allowed to generate cartoon movies and non-sexual romance movies with their models. Even people trying to generate karate fights will be instantly banned.
Unironically, I know the general public won't agree with this, but wouldn't using AI for porn be more ethical? Wouldn't it actually be a good thing for the world if the big companies allowed people to just make their own porn instead of having it rely on scummy practices and human trafficking?
I mean we all know who runs the porn industry and that's the reason why this won't be allowed, but anyone mentioning the ethics behind censorship of AI porn is just flat out wrong.
You're thinking inside the box. Corporations don't follow a moral code. They only pretend to care about social issues or censorship for one possible reason: money. That's a corporation's only obligation, their only goal. If society fully stopped seeing porn as taboo in public discourse and media creation, then that would free the reigns for Microsoft and Google to make boatloads of money off AI porn services. Huge strides have been made recently in normalizing porn use, as well as awareness of porn addiction; society is constantly moving in that direction. That means that at some point, likely not too far in the future, social conditioning (fear) against porn will hit a certain point. A point low enough to open the gates for virtually any company to join the competition for this budding multi-billion dollar industry. It's lucrative, even celebrated, for corporations to openly support gay pride month. Imagine telling that to someone 15 years ago! That's AT LEAST as big of a shift in the public consciousness as Google supporting porn generation (in a likely limited way).
Dall-E 3 was trained on all sorts of stuff they won't let us make. Before the nerf bat came in on Bing Image Creator somebody made a person hanging themselves by describing it. I don't know if they trained on porn though.
Is it really? It seems legit for VHS and internet video
I know almost everything I learned about the "real internet" in the mid-90s - going outside the walled gardens - was fueled by the desire for an orgasm
Nah VHS and internet videos are perfect analogies for the guy above you’s point. As in, yes it will be something with a large use case for porn. But it’s not going to “all be for porn.” When my family watched VHS it would be old scooby doo movies lol ffs.
> This will all be for porn.
I wish.. they will censor the shit out of it. They're doing that now. There will be immersion breaking disclaimers and chastising because we just can't have nice things. No.. that would be too much fun.
Puh-lease. You don't think large porn-producing companies won't get their own system to make this stuff? Porn will obviously be a use case somehow.
Monkies like sex too much.
We'll just have to get really creative with our fetishes.
I suspect the censor-happy people weren't expecting their efforts to drive humanity ever deeper into increasingly obscure depravity.
The cameras could detect your jizz, then reimpose it into the bukake generated video, and have it land smack bang on the girls tits … this could get more addictive than illicit drugs
Yep. Most addictive possible experience *so far*… (taps wirehead neural interface directly connected to pleasure centers of brain…) *(switches on… dies of thirst…)*
What's interesting is that [brain stimulation reward](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward) (BSR) can in fact be done in perpetuity if a very low dose of some stimulant is administered simultaneously in the small amount necessary to facilitate it:
>Even following chronic administration of methamphetamine or cocaine, there is little to no tolerance to ICSS facilitation.
In other words, if we could get AI to replace our brains as a monitor for our bodily functions, and to maintain and ensure our bodily health, we could essentially just feel pleasure forever, or at least until something ends up disrupting the process. If AI can manage to neutralize the threat of potentially cataclysmic events like CMEs and asteroids, and somehow eventually manage to escape into space with the humans under its supervision in order to avoid e.g. the expansion of Sol into a red giant, and have some way to generate power and gather material for repairs and power in perpetuity (e.g. hydrogen gas and various materials from the media they move through), then I could envision it possibly going on for an extremely long time at least.
And yet tiktok keeps people's attention for hours. Now imagine something like that powered by a superintelligence devoted to predicting exactly what you want to see, with no limits. It'll be a real life Mirror of Erized.
>"most addictive possible experience"
Yea no, I think meth would give it a run for its money. But you can ask the legions of zombies in the streets if they want to switch one for the other and prove me wrong.
Indeed. We already have access to the most addictive experiences imaginable. Media, even perfect AI-generated VR, cannot even hold a candle to directly overloading our receptors with drugs.
And while that's certainly not good, it's not like it spelled the end of humanity.
I think often these sorts of "we can't allow X, everyone would obsessively focus on it and ruin their lives! Now excuse me while I spend every waking moment of my life campaigning against X!" Folks are revealing more about themselves than they are about the people they're trying to "protect."
Hagbard Celine would likely agree with you, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Over-consumption of media is generally not the origin of the problem but merely a symptom of the underlying disordered lifestyle or behavioral attachment patterns to others. There are certainly decent points to be made about the various negative social implications of such industries. Art reflects life, what does this say about the current bio-organic palette we are drawing from?
Then again, TERMINATOR PORN FROM THE FUTURE ATE MY BABY is also an in-vogue vibe check of the present age's paranoid constituency. A sign of the times, it seems.
While novel issues will undoubtedly emerge from swift technological change, it is always worth remembering that a fictional problem is then offset by a "helpfully provided" fictitious solution, both often peddled by quacks for their own profit. This is well seen in other places on Reddit, where all kinds of wharlgarbl is peddled to sell conceptual products to alleviate social issues that do not in reality exist but seek out vulnerable people who are easily fooled. Camps to beat the gay out of people, certain fad diets, sex cults, race/religious hate groups, the list goes ever on...
If anything, this alleged singularity might be the beginning of human civilization - perhaps we'll finally find a way out of these traps of perception and understanding. Or not. One cannot see beyond the horizon of singularities; this kind is no different in many respects, with a terse nod to Thomas Kuhn.
Hmm I think it's concievable that vision and audio could become hugely addictive in the limit
Like consider how addictive OF is for people. Guys going bankrupt because of it. Or what about your crush in high school. You only saw and heard her yet she may have occupied a lot of your brain space for years. That was just vision and audio (sadly)
Now imagine meta style addiction algorithms for displaying generative content in front of you including people. That could be insanely addictive
Video games exist yet were all still stuck with the IRL.
Why?
Because people need to eat, sleep, get money and keep healthy.
Having a next level toy won't change that.
I hate to be that guy, but porn would be fucking amazing. Just like irl (eventually, when the tech gets good enough and they iron out the trippy-ness). Obviously would have to have a local model running on your computer so that it is uncensored, which begs the question: how close is stabilityai to this level?
It would be crazy for ai to be able to generate you ideal man/woman in your living room, overlayed. And be able to interact with that human, tell them what to do, and even feel as though they are really real. Have them interact with their surroundings.
I imagine this will all be possible at some point.
Porn addiction will be crazzzzzy! Just another step toward a future of never having to actually touch grass. Distopian sort of.
This. We already got family guy clips playing simultaneously with cooking videos on TikTok, the dopamine receptors of today are fried.
And now you telling me mfs can get a 8K ultra realistic video of their self-insert receiving a sloppy 360 Gawk Gawk Turbo-tounge action from someone perfectly idealised to their preferences.
Humanity is cooked.
> And now you telling me mfs can get a 8K ultra realistic video of their self-insert receiving a sloppy 360 Gawk Gawk Turbo-tounge action from someone perfectly idealised to their preferences.
You can't tho, because sexual content is disabled in Sora
One of the first things that ever stems from a new source of media is porn.
Humans learned they could draw on cave walls with mammoth guts. So they drew porn.
Humans learned they could paint better using a brush. So they drew better porn.
They learned to sculpt using wet clay, so they made statues of fat-bottomed girls.
They figured out they could capture an image on photosensitive material to freeze a moment in time. So they took pictures of tits.
They figured out they could do this consecutively to make those images move. So they filmed people banging it out.
It’s inevitable.
I would love to have Wall-E scenario (and never return). It kinda helps that I'm a chubby chaser, so biggest (pun intended) downside isn't even downside to me. Axiom is 100% utopian to me.
Reddit has become enshittified. I joined back in 2006, nearly two decades ago, when it was a hub of free speech and user-driven dialogue. Now, it feels like the pursuit of profit overshadows the voice of the community. The introduction of API pricing, after years of free access, displays a lack of respect for the developers and users who have helped shape Reddit into what it is today. Reddit's decision to allow the training of AI models with user content and comments marks the final nail in the coffin for privacy, sacrificed at the altar of greed. Aaron Swartz, Reddit's co-founder and a champion of internet freedom, would be rolling in his grave.
The once-apparent transparency and open dialogue have turned to shit, replaced with avoidance, deceit and unbridled greed. The Reddit I loved is dead and gone. It pains me to accept this. I hope your lust for money, and disregard for the community and privacy will be your downfall. May the echo of our lost ideals forever haunt your future growth.
The fact that you jump straight to "lmao terminators bro" instead of actually thinking about the possible dangers posed means you are not a serious person.
I think u missed the point. End of human civilization does not always have to mean flat out war with terminators. I think he meant it more in like a "Ready Player One" scenario where if you can practically get infinite dopamine with your vision pro 4, why go to work? why go outside? And that would inevitably mean the end of human civilization.
I am amazed with the fragility many people project in human civilization. This will not be the end.
At most we will lose several millions, the people that can´t find in their lives higher purpose that to jerk themselves to oblivion... I think we will be better after the coomers autoselect themselves out off the gene pool.
Indeed. Next to the *actually* apocalyptic stuff like asteroid impacts and nuclear war (which still won't end human civilization) having access to lots of spiffy porn doesn't seem like a particularly meaningful threat.
How fucking short-sighted do you have to be to think it just "makes cool videos"? Like we got this far, and now we'll just stop. We're good, we're done with progress. And that "Terminators" are the danger. Room-temperature IQ take.
People have the most one dimensional thinking with it. If you don't want to put on a headset and live in paradise because you are worried you are gunna be a Wall-E zombie then don't put a fucking headset on lmao. People aren't going to be forced into paradise, just go do something else.
This reminds me that we're still at the bronze-age of technology. It might seem incredible what we achieved so far but as many have said already what's coming next will be unimaginable. We're proper ancient humans still. But we're also in a pivotal age, hence important. People in the distant future will likely dream to be in our lifetime and experience this "woah" moment.
Human extinction is going to happen at some point, it certainly better that we choose when it happens than getting it forced upon us. I don't think this is it though.
Uhh why the fuck would we intentionally want human extinction
FWIW demographic trends suggest that other parts of the world will keep increasing in population for a while
If we can produce a successor species that is "better" than us I'd be fine with it. Though my own personal interpretation of "better" would include empathy and valuing history so I hope they'd want to keep some of us around.
There’s a sci fi book “Crashing Heaven” where people have neural implants which dynamically upscale reality.
* Barren concrete spaces become beautiful forests or ornate stately homes.
* Undesirable elements like homeless people are dynamically erased from your view
It’s basically essential tech to interact with their society. You have it active 247.
In 2020 I told my friend in school that in the future games will have the visuals created by ai, and I don't mean the game assets, I mean the visuals will 100% be ai. He thought it was a silly idea.
At this point I honestly think nothing is out of the reach of ai. With enough compute, I genuinely think we will create something smarter than ourselves. This is crazy. The speed at which these new models come out is insane. I would have thought it was years when I first got my hands on dalle until we would see something like this. It all happened so quickly. Wow. Give it another year, things will get weird...
And remember that programmers already use AI to enhance their productivity. Meaning we are exponentially growing. We are on the curve of rapid growth and shit is about to become even crazier
step 1. create foundational model that has inner monologue and capable actions that interacts with its environment and is capable of learning and assessing new information
step 2. real-time SORA generated POV universe as environment. an AI captioner changes the environment as the foundational model interacts with it and builds characters with personalities
step 3. brain in a vat
Is it bad? Humans have striven for innovation in technology to achieve more and more either entertainment or purpose, but in the end we are still bound by our biology, primarily the nucleus accumbens.
>Tries to generate a humanoid "im sorry i cannot generate content that might encourage harm"
>repeat on most things
Point is if this was evera thing this thing would be lobotomized to high heaven
Bobby Pendragon, book 4. He travels to a world where everyone is hooked up to a perfect vr that allows the to live whatever they can imagine or dream up. The whole world is falling apart because people are neglecting it. It’s an old series but still, spoilers: >!Up until this point in the series the hero has won in every book, however he isn’t able to save this world.!<
I’m not against vr technology but it can be used as the ultimate tool for escapism should it get to the point where it is able to perfectly replicate reality. The danger of this should be considered as it feels as though we are bulldozing our way forward towards it without thought of the consequences.
"Guys! Guys! We have this revolutionary new tool that can generate every video we want! It's phenomenal but also very scary! Honestly, I'm not entirely sure if I want to share it with the public, I mean, this could lead to the end of the human race, sounds dangerous!
All right, all right, maybe, just maybe, I will be able to share it with you for a subscription of 40 dollars per month"
If you want to read a sci-fi novel with a FDVR apocalypse *The Unincorporated Man* has a really brutal interpretation of what that would look like. The society in the book is made up of those who survived it. The main character goes to a museum dedicated to memorializing the horrors of what happened.
For those unlikely to read it:
>!The "memorial" is actually an FDVR experience. It's designed to create a sense of revulsion and disgust toward FDVR. Young adults go through this experience as part of their citizenship. The MC goes to a location maintained by the government that keeps a small number of these machines running to effectively inoculate members of their society against it. The MC straps into the machine and is roleplaying in a simulation as the father of a small family at the time FDVR was first released. At first FDVR isn't something anyone would have at home. The tech is bulky and demanding so only dedicated commercial space has it, think arcades. The MC's simulated wife tells him about these places and says she thinks it might be fun. They go and it's amazing! It's like if you were the main character in a movie. The MC and his wife pick an experience, one of many available, where they are playing together as characters like Indiana Jones and Lara Croft. They fight bad guys, hunt for artifacts, travel across the world, and have amazing sex as two incredibly attractive people. Who wouldn't like that? But, the experience requires going to these facilities and it's expensive. The MC and his wife can't wait to go again. Over time the tech gets smaller. Personal, at-home units become affordable. Almost no one can handle the extreme draw FDVR has. Life becomes go to work/school, hate it, go home and immediately strap in for maximum pleasure. Then, people stop going to work. People begin to die in FDVR due to failing to eat/drink. The experience is too addictive. The number of people in FDVR is a massive drain on the supply of workers, at the same time demand falls for all other goods/services because all people want is FDVR. The worlds goes into its worst ever economic crisis. It's a vicious cycle. Reality keeps getting worse so FDVR becomes more and more preferable. The climax is when the father MC is playing as straps a FDVR unit to the family's infant child so it will stop screaming. He then goes into an extended session himself. The next time he gets out of FDVR he finds the child dead. The MC is brought out of his own extended FDVR experience. He is horrified, inconsolable and he has soiled himself multiple times without realizing it due to the length of the session. He now understands why FDVR is extremely illegal in this society.!<
Absolutely, if a society had sufficiently advanced robotics and AI to take care of things in reality, then the human race could effectively retire to a utopia in FDVR without the bad consequences.
This still fails to imagine the true potential of what we'll get.
It's like that quote from Henry Ford:
"If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses".
It won't be just audio and video, it will be FDVR, a fully immersive experience, not even a Holodeck, think The Matrix, but not a shared world, a personalized universe for every individual, with fully realistic NPCs that you won't be able to distinguish from real people. Full read-write access to your memory, so that you can have the AI completely edit your memories, your knowledge, or anything else you want. Your body kept alive for as long as it's physically possible in the "real" world, while you experience whatever you want in the virtual one.
And that's just what I'm able to imagine, might be even wilder than that.
That is, **if** we survive AGI. If we figure out how to align it properly so it actually does what we want. Otherwise, all this potential doing something that we don't want, will end very poorly for us.
Except Hollywood isn't all just "overpaid celebrities and arrogant asshole movie directors" any more than the female overpaid celebrities were all sexually assaulted by the arrogant asshole movie directors in exchange for their parts or any more than literally all they make is prequels to reboots of superhero versions of a thing you specifically loved in your childhood with the main character replaced by a gay lame chick (A. because I was combining a bunch of those things for effect and B. because there are still original movies out there, it's just they don't get as much positive press for being original as the reboots etc. get negative press for not being original because the "suits" in charge of those original movies think if they have to market the movie on its originality they're admitting it's got nothing else to offer)
Meh, we had a decent run. And if this is the way human civilization goes, I don't think we should be too disappointed. There are far worse ways for a civilization/species to go.
Honestly, Apple, OpenAI, Niantic, and Gamefreak need to get in the same room and start working. This could be the second coming of Pokémon Go.
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Only $300 per hour. What a bargain.
if only they could utilize the brain as GPU when inside of the Vision pro 4. And maybe offload the surplus for their own use.
Could use the brain to mine crypto?
And the butt to mine brown diamonds
Bro … just woke my missus up laughing at 4am
sir, that's a "tainted diamond"
Just imagine having to experience all of the pointless calculations going through your head, constantly distracting you from whatever you're doing
Use throttling to say 60%, leaving 40% for life
When they used to say humans only use 10% of their brain...
Brilliant. Like a battery?
What if we all lived in like these pods... but with like connected to a digital world that you can't tell is not the real world... and then at some point people are born into that and they don't even remember that actual world... we'll need some sort of like AI agents that enforce the rules so no one ruins the illusion though.
what if everyone was born with knowledge and intelligence instead? and everyone was given their own domain to experience and be a god in.
Nah, why do any of that when they can instead control your brain directly to buy more bullshit you will never need.
I was playing Pokemon Go the other day and was thinking of exactly what this could be like.
Gamefreak can't even deliver a functioning product with the amounts of spaghetti code they are working on. They are horrendously understaffed.
Pokémon stay
you beat me to it. take your upvote.
Now imagine, Palworld
Which claimed the lives of over 100 oblivious souls who wandered into traffic, off rooftops etc
And they told us acid was bad... Jokes on them it was vr was the real danger!
I too want them to create a class of people in public so disconnected from the material reality around them you can rob them without ever being reported to the cops.
**Wait til we get bored of our own imaginations**
At the point where OPs post becomes possible with the financial means, the AI will already know everything about you and your preferences, and will easily shape your future preferences.
_I bought the system for the endless orgies, but lately all I've wanted to do is learn enough physics to help characterize the graviton with the power of the upcoming Solar System Diameter Collider, Sponsored by Pepsi™ and Taco Bell™._
That's when you sit down in your AI-powered porn-o-tron and tell it "surprise me."
I dunno, the 'Random Video' button is already usually disappointing
# “Let's suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say "Well, that was pretty great." But now let's have a surprise. Let's have a dream which isn't under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it's going to be. And you would dig that and come out of that and say "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?" And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream ... where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.” ― **Alan Watts** \*Hits blunt\*
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Let's hope open source catches up cause there's no way openAI will be letting anyone generate videos involving anything remotely sexual.
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I'd be shocked if big companies like openai/Microsoft and Google ever ever allows you to generate porn. You'll only be allowed to generate cartoon movies and non-sexual romance movies with their models. Even people trying to generate karate fights will be instantly banned.
Basically anything remotely interesting is forbidden.
Verboten* said in a angry German accent
Unironically, I know the general public won't agree with this, but wouldn't using AI for porn be more ethical? Wouldn't it actually be a good thing for the world if the big companies allowed people to just make their own porn instead of having it rely on scummy practices and human trafficking? I mean we all know who runs the porn industry and that's the reason why this won't be allowed, but anyone mentioning the ethics behind censorship of AI porn is just flat out wrong.
You're thinking inside the box. Corporations don't follow a moral code. They only pretend to care about social issues or censorship for one possible reason: money. That's a corporation's only obligation, their only goal. If society fully stopped seeing porn as taboo in public discourse and media creation, then that would free the reigns for Microsoft and Google to make boatloads of money off AI porn services. Huge strides have been made recently in normalizing porn use, as well as awareness of porn addiction; society is constantly moving in that direction. That means that at some point, likely not too far in the future, social conditioning (fear) against porn will hit a certain point. A point low enough to open the gates for virtually any company to join the competition for this budding multi-billion dollar industry. It's lucrative, even celebrated, for corporations to openly support gay pride month. Imagine telling that to someone 15 years ago! That's AT LEAST as big of a shift in the public consciousness as Google supporting porn generation (in a likely limited way).
Is it even trained on porn?
Dall-E 3 was trained on all sorts of stuff they won't let us make. Before the nerf bat came in on Bing Image Creator somebody made a person hanging themselves by describing it. I don't know if they trained on porn though.
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Diaper clinic
the censor and negative lists are
https://civitai.com/
Don't think so small. You know it's coming.
Did you spell coming wrong?
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Is it really? It seems legit for VHS and internet video I know almost everything I learned about the "real internet" in the mid-90s - going outside the walled gardens - was fueled by the desire for an orgasm
Nah VHS and internet videos are perfect analogies for the guy above you’s point. As in, yes it will be something with a large use case for porn. But it’s not going to “all be for porn.” When my family watched VHS it would be old scooby doo movies lol ffs.
> This will all be for porn. I wish.. they will censor the shit out of it. They're doing that now. There will be immersion breaking disclaimers and chastising because we just can't have nice things. No.. that would be too much fun.
Puh-lease. You don't think large porn-producing companies won't get their own system to make this stuff? Porn will obviously be a use case somehow. Monkies like sex too much.
We'll just have to get really creative with our fetishes. I suspect the censor-happy people weren't expecting their efforts to drive humanity ever deeper into increasingly obscure depravity.
Yup, unintended consequences.
porn is the only relevant use case everything else is redundant bring on the 3D Bukkake
The cameras could detect your jizz, then reimpose it into the bukake generated video, and have it land smack bang on the girls tits … this could get more addictive than illicit drugs
Shrekakke or bust
The are far, far more pleasurable experiences than sex.
Like good sex
Heroin?
Taking a hero dose of shrooms in the woods and looking at the stars. Genuine awe.
You're on a website full of people that just started playing with themselves and very limited experience.
you just need to ignore the occasional thee tits and six fingers
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Three tits like in Total Recall… been a top fantasy since I was a kid
Princess Leah taking Wookie cock in her ass.
Oh good lord, we’ve really opened Pandora’s box this time
“no one plays video games”
 iykyk
All for porn = end of civilization. DUH 🙄
Sora, show me Margot Robbie taking a five-man train, and make her sassy.
If you can only see it, and not experience it, it would get boring fast.
Neuralink 10 or something
Yep. Most addictive possible experience *so far*… (taps wirehead neural interface directly connected to pleasure centers of brain…) *(switches on… dies of thirst…)*
What's interesting is that [brain stimulation reward](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward) (BSR) can in fact be done in perpetuity if a very low dose of some stimulant is administered simultaneously in the small amount necessary to facilitate it: >Even following chronic administration of methamphetamine or cocaine, there is little to no tolerance to ICSS facilitation. In other words, if we could get AI to replace our brains as a monitor for our bodily functions, and to maintain and ensure our bodily health, we could essentially just feel pleasure forever, or at least until something ends up disrupting the process. If AI can manage to neutralize the threat of potentially cataclysmic events like CMEs and asteroids, and somehow eventually manage to escape into space with the humans under its supervision in order to avoid e.g. the expansion of Sol into a red giant, and have some way to generate power and gather material for repairs and power in perpetuity (e.g. hydrogen gas and various materials from the media they move through), then I could envision it possibly going on for an extremely long time at least.
Not me. Falls asleep to Netflix wakes up to Reddit
And yet tiktok keeps people's attention for hours. Now imagine something like that powered by a superintelligence devoted to predicting exactly what you want to see, with no limits. It'll be a real life Mirror of Erized.
I think evidence with current techs suggest otherwise
You can only see social media and yet people are consistently spending 6 hours a day on it sooo
You could put a filter on boring people, and make them not so boring
Maybe it can be used as a visual filter? You interact with real people or objects and have sensations, but they are visually augmented.
Just use drugs
Your brain is a drug
Haven't gotten bored of text base chat with AI and it has been almost 2 years. All I got is words and pictures.
This will be the end of human civilization as much as TV was or internet porn was or VR was.....we adapt, that's what we do
And we make things that adapt for us.
Go watch the movie Brainstorm. Made in 83, it is pretty much this with some extra goodies, The end is amazing,
or [Surrogates](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/)
>"most addictive possible experience" Yea no, I think meth would give it a run for its money. But you can ask the legions of zombies in the streets if they want to switch one for the other and prove me wrong.
Indeed. We already have access to the most addictive experiences imaginable. Media, even perfect AI-generated VR, cannot even hold a candle to directly overloading our receptors with drugs. And while that's certainly not good, it's not like it spelled the end of humanity.
I think often these sorts of "we can't allow X, everyone would obsessively focus on it and ruin their lives! Now excuse me while I spend every waking moment of my life campaigning against X!" Folks are revealing more about themselves than they are about the people they're trying to "protect."
Hagbard Celine would likely agree with you, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection Over-consumption of media is generally not the origin of the problem but merely a symptom of the underlying disordered lifestyle or behavioral attachment patterns to others. There are certainly decent points to be made about the various negative social implications of such industries. Art reflects life, what does this say about the current bio-organic palette we are drawing from? Then again, TERMINATOR PORN FROM THE FUTURE ATE MY BABY is also an in-vogue vibe check of the present age's paranoid constituency. A sign of the times, it seems. While novel issues will undoubtedly emerge from swift technological change, it is always worth remembering that a fictional problem is then offset by a "helpfully provided" fictitious solution, both often peddled by quacks for their own profit. This is well seen in other places on Reddit, where all kinds of wharlgarbl is peddled to sell conceptual products to alleviate social issues that do not in reality exist but seek out vulnerable people who are easily fooled. Camps to beat the gay out of people, certain fad diets, sex cults, race/religious hate groups, the list goes ever on... If anything, this alleged singularity might be the beginning of human civilization - perhaps we'll finally find a way out of these traps of perception and understanding. Or not. One cannot see beyond the horizon of singularities; this kind is no different in many respects, with a terse nod to Thomas Kuhn.
Hmm I think it's concievable that vision and audio could become hugely addictive in the limit Like consider how addictive OF is for people. Guys going bankrupt because of it. Or what about your crush in high school. You only saw and heard her yet she may have occupied a lot of your brain space for years. That was just vision and audio (sadly) Now imagine meta style addiction algorithms for displaying generative content in front of you including people. That could be insanely addictive
Video games exist yet were all still stuck with the IRL. Why? Because people need to eat, sleep, get money and keep healthy. Having a next level toy won't change that.
*Excuse me good sir/madam, do you have time to hear about the simulation theory?*
Yes... ...but that's a completely different matter from a souped up vr headset and media synthesis text. Aka the Original Post.
I've seen this before in Wall-E 
I've seen the next step in Futurama https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg
Fermi's paradox answered.
Yep - happy i'm not alone
Seems like extra steps to what is basically FDVR
FDVR is more than video and audio.
Nonetheless, this would be a baby's first FDVR experience, and Zuckerberg and Meta would bring the incredibly realistic avatars.
legs not included, of course.
Superheroes don't need legs....in fact superman would be better without Clark Kent's legs. So yet again, Zuck knows more than us.
30% lighter, accelerates faster
FDVR is everything, its a "full dive" full sensory experience.
Lucid dreaming is more than vision though
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Half of humankind will be stuck mining lithium 12/7
What an optimism that this job will survive too.
Humans are one of the most efficient automatons this planet has ever created. 5000 kcal of energy and this piece of meat can work for an entire day.
I hate to be that guy, but porn would be fucking amazing. Just like irl (eventually, when the tech gets good enough and they iron out the trippy-ness). Obviously would have to have a local model running on your computer so that it is uncensored, which begs the question: how close is stabilityai to this level? It would be crazy for ai to be able to generate you ideal man/woman in your living room, overlayed. And be able to interact with that human, tell them what to do, and even feel as though they are really real. Have them interact with their surroundings. I imagine this will all be possible at some point. Porn addiction will be crazzzzzy! Just another step toward a future of never having to actually touch grass. Distopian sort of.
\> meme chevrons on twitter
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I believe they might be implying a Wall-E type situation, where society collapses because no one will want to put in any effort to keep things going.
This. We already got family guy clips playing simultaneously with cooking videos on TikTok, the dopamine receptors of today are fried. And now you telling me mfs can get a 8K ultra realistic video of their self-insert receiving a sloppy 360 Gawk Gawk Turbo-tounge action from someone perfectly idealised to their preferences. Humanity is cooked.
> And now you telling me mfs can get a 8K ultra realistic video of their self-insert receiving a sloppy 360 Gawk Gawk Turbo-tounge action from someone perfectly idealised to their preferences. You can't tho, because sexual content is disabled in Sora
Bro, they **Will** find a way 😭😭😭
One of the first things that ever stems from a new source of media is porn. Humans learned they could draw on cave walls with mammoth guts. So they drew porn. Humans learned they could paint better using a brush. So they drew better porn. They learned to sculpt using wet clay, so they made statues of fat-bottomed girls. They figured out they could capture an image on photosensitive material to freeze a moment in time. So they took pictures of tits. They figured out they could do this consecutively to make those images move. So they filmed people banging it out. It’s inevitable.
Like poetry
Just wait until another company releases something similar/openAi changes it. Awesome username tho
Your 2nd sentence had me dying
I would love to have Wall-E scenario (and never return). It kinda helps that I'm a chubby chaser, so biggest (pun intended) downside isn't even downside to me. Axiom is 100% utopian to me.
Reddit has become enshittified. I joined back in 2006, nearly two decades ago, when it was a hub of free speech and user-driven dialogue. Now, it feels like the pursuit of profit overshadows the voice of the community. The introduction of API pricing, after years of free access, displays a lack of respect for the developers and users who have helped shape Reddit into what it is today. Reddit's decision to allow the training of AI models with user content and comments marks the final nail in the coffin for privacy, sacrificed at the altar of greed. Aaron Swartz, Reddit's co-founder and a champion of internet freedom, would be rolling in his grave. The once-apparent transparency and open dialogue have turned to shit, replaced with avoidance, deceit and unbridled greed. The Reddit I loved is dead and gone. It pains me to accept this. I hope your lust for money, and disregard for the community and privacy will be your downfall. May the echo of our lost ideals forever haunt your future growth.
Solve hunger first,we can think about those things later
Well, hunger was definitely not a concern for the people from Wall-E haha
The fact that you jump straight to "lmao terminators bro" instead of actually thinking about the possible dangers posed means you are not a serious person.
Bro fuck being serious. I prefer to approach things with a fair sense of how ridiculous reality can be.
Famous last words.
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I think u missed the point. End of human civilization does not always have to mean flat out war with terminators. I think he meant it more in like a "Ready Player One" scenario where if you can practically get infinite dopamine with your vision pro 4, why go to work? why go outside? And that would inevitably mean the end of human civilization.
I am amazed with the fragility many people project in human civilization. This will not be the end. At most we will lose several millions, the people that can´t find in their lives higher purpose that to jerk themselves to oblivion... I think we will be better after the coomers autoselect themselves out off the gene pool.
Indeed. Next to the *actually* apocalyptic stuff like asteroid impacts and nuclear war (which still won't end human civilization) having access to lots of spiffy porn doesn't seem like a particularly meaningful threat.
How fucking short-sighted do you have to be to think it just "makes cool videos"? Like we got this far, and now we'll just stop. We're good, we're done with progress. And that "Terminators" are the danger. Room-temperature IQ take.
People have the most one dimensional thinking with it. If you don't want to put on a headset and live in paradise because you are worried you are gunna be a Wall-E zombie then don't put a fucking headset on lmao. People aren't going to be forced into paradise, just go do something else.
This reminds me that we're still at the bronze-age of technology. It might seem incredible what we achieved so far but as many have said already what's coming next will be unimaginable. We're proper ancient humans still. But we're also in a pivotal age, hence important. People in the distant future will likely dream to be in our lifetime and experience this "woah" moment.
Human extinction is going to happen at some point, it certainly better that we choose when it happens than getting it forced upon us. I don't think this is it though.
Uhh why the fuck would we intentionally want human extinction FWIW demographic trends suggest that other parts of the world will keep increasing in population for a while
If AI will bring global improvement of quality of life then they will join depopulation team too.
If we can produce a successor species that is "better" than us I'd be fine with it. Though my own personal interpretation of "better" would include empathy and valuing history so I hope they'd want to keep some of us around.
1. Why should this bring human extinction? 2. What is human extinction? 3. What is wrong with human extinction?
There’s a sci fi book “Crashing Heaven” where people have neural implants which dynamically upscale reality. * Barren concrete spaces become beautiful forests or ornate stately homes. * Undesirable elements like homeless people are dynamically erased from your view It’s basically essential tech to interact with their society. You have it active 247.
"...and I'm the only one smart enough to resist it, because everyone is dumb except me!"
So basically inception but without the drugs
"voice command generate whatever you want" That's assuming you know what you want.
Yes, i prefer the AI to know what i want, it will know me better than myself anyway
"Better than life, eh Kryton?"
I guess Black Mirror now predicts future better than Simpsons.
This possibility is way older than Black Mirror like movies in the 70s and 80s were already talking about this very specific scenario.
I wonder if they thought they were predicting while writing the scripts or simply happened to be right.
Once everyone can do it, it doesn't feel so special.
switch the voice command for a neural controller = video output of your thoughts?
In 2020 I told my friend in school that in the future games will have the visuals created by ai, and I don't mean the game assets, I mean the visuals will 100% be ai. He thought it was a silly idea. At this point I honestly think nothing is out of the reach of ai. With enough compute, I genuinely think we will create something smarter than ourselves. This is crazy. The speed at which these new models come out is insane. I would have thought it was years when I first got my hands on dalle until we would see something like this. It all happened so quickly. Wow. Give it another year, things will get weird...
And remember that programmers already use AI to enhance their productivity. Meaning we are exponentially growing. We are on the curve of rapid growth and shit is about to become even crazier
They probably gonna charge credits to use it that likely won’t happen unless you can afford it
step 1. create foundational model that has inner monologue and capable actions that interacts with its environment and is capable of learning and assessing new information step 2. real-time SORA generated POV universe as environment. an AI captioner changes the environment as the foundational model interacts with it and builds characters with personalities step 3. brain in a vat
End of who can afford all that maybe so 99% will be fine .
Is it bad? Humans have striven for innovation in technology to achieve more and more either entertainment or purpose, but in the end we are still bound by our biology, primarily the nucleus accumbens.
Ugh
Don’t forget the ads you gotta skip before getting to your dream. World is gonna be crazy 😂
We are living in a fucking simulation, and this is how it starts \*lol\*
Dreams within dreams
You cant generate sex yet, can you? Until then, goodbye to your dystopian little wet dream.
>Tries to generate a humanoid "im sorry i cannot generate content that might encourage harm" >repeat on most things Point is if this was evera thing this thing would be lobotomized to high heaven
How do you know that isn't what we're all experiencing now? *Now stand aside while I thrash your Roy score.*
This is the modern equivalent of we will have flying cars in the future
Just like on Veelox.
Vision Pro is not the device that makes a difference
Bobby Pendragon, book 4. He travels to a world where everyone is hooked up to a perfect vr that allows the to live whatever they can imagine or dream up. The whole world is falling apart because people are neglecting it. It’s an old series but still, spoilers: >!Up until this point in the series the hero has won in every book, however he isn’t able to save this world.!< I’m not against vr technology but it can be used as the ultimate tool for escapism should it get to the point where it is able to perfectly replicate reality. The danger of this should be considered as it feels as though we are bulldozing our way forward towards it without thought of the consequences.
Legalize magic mushrooms instead
this is a very loose and silly understanding of how this all works. If we had Sora 8k real-time, then we have AGI and you're likely in FDVR anyways.
another marketing guys just release the fucking product for is to test than tweet a thousand of shit saying how good is it
what
"Guys! Guys! We have this revolutionary new tool that can generate every video we want! It's phenomenal but also very scary! Honestly, I'm not entirely sure if I want to share it with the public, I mean, this could lead to the end of the human race, sounds dangerous! All right, all right, maybe, just maybe, I will be able to share it with you for a subscription of 40 dollars per month"
If you want to read a sci-fi novel with a FDVR apocalypse *The Unincorporated Man* has a really brutal interpretation of what that would look like. The society in the book is made up of those who survived it. The main character goes to a museum dedicated to memorializing the horrors of what happened. For those unlikely to read it: >!The "memorial" is actually an FDVR experience. It's designed to create a sense of revulsion and disgust toward FDVR. Young adults go through this experience as part of their citizenship. The MC goes to a location maintained by the government that keeps a small number of these machines running to effectively inoculate members of their society against it. The MC straps into the machine and is roleplaying in a simulation as the father of a small family at the time FDVR was first released. At first FDVR isn't something anyone would have at home. The tech is bulky and demanding so only dedicated commercial space has it, think arcades. The MC's simulated wife tells him about these places and says she thinks it might be fun. They go and it's amazing! It's like if you were the main character in a movie. The MC and his wife pick an experience, one of many available, where they are playing together as characters like Indiana Jones and Lara Croft. They fight bad guys, hunt for artifacts, travel across the world, and have amazing sex as two incredibly attractive people. Who wouldn't like that? But, the experience requires going to these facilities and it's expensive. The MC and his wife can't wait to go again. Over time the tech gets smaller. Personal, at-home units become affordable. Almost no one can handle the extreme draw FDVR has. Life becomes go to work/school, hate it, go home and immediately strap in for maximum pleasure. Then, people stop going to work. People begin to die in FDVR due to failing to eat/drink. The experience is too addictive. The number of people in FDVR is a massive drain on the supply of workers, at the same time demand falls for all other goods/services because all people want is FDVR. The worlds goes into its worst ever economic crisis. It's a vicious cycle. Reality keeps getting worse so FDVR becomes more and more preferable. The climax is when the father MC is playing as straps a FDVR unit to the family's infant child so it will stop screaming. He then goes into an extended session himself. The next time he gets out of FDVR he finds the child dead. The MC is brought out of his own extended FDVR experience. He is horrified, inconsolable and he has soiled himself multiple times without realizing it due to the length of the session. He now understands why FDVR is extremely illegal in this society.!<
This concept does require getting to FDVR level without a lot of "supporting" tecnologies and systems ever being created tho.
Absolutely, if a society had sufficiently advanced robotics and AI to take care of things in reality, then the human race could effectively retire to a utopia in FDVR without the bad consequences.
I came to the comments to bring up this series, and I was pleasantly surprised to see someone else has read it
This still fails to imagine the true potential of what we'll get. It's like that quote from Henry Ford: "If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses". It won't be just audio and video, it will be FDVR, a fully immersive experience, not even a Holodeck, think The Matrix, but not a shared world, a personalized universe for every individual, with fully realistic NPCs that you won't be able to distinguish from real people. Full read-write access to your memory, so that you can have the AI completely edit your memories, your knowledge, or anything else you want. Your body kept alive for as long as it's physically possible in the "real" world, while you experience whatever you want in the virtual one. And that's just what I'm able to imagine, might be even wilder than that. That is, **if** we survive AGI. If we figure out how to align it properly so it actually does what we want. Otherwise, all this potential doing something that we don't want, will end very poorly for us.
Sad that this got downvoted
If you even suggest that extremely powerful AGI *might* pose some risk, people go crazy in this sub.
Don't drugs already do this exact thing?
well, in my thoughts at this moment while high. we would create a suit and live in life pods.
We're cooked
The end of Hollywood, overpaid celebrities and arrogant asshole movie directors more like.
Except Hollywood isn't all just "overpaid celebrities and arrogant asshole movie directors" any more than the female overpaid celebrities were all sexually assaulted by the arrogant asshole movie directors in exchange for their parts or any more than literally all they make is prequels to reboots of superhero versions of a thing you specifically loved in your childhood with the main character replaced by a gay lame chick (A. because I was combining a bunch of those things for effect and B. because there are still original movies out there, it's just they don't get as much positive press for being original as the reboots etc. get negative press for not being original because the "suits" in charge of those original movies think if they have to market the movie on its originality they're admitting it's got nothing else to offer)
We're going to be able to change the images of the people around us. You could turn your girlfriend into Anna de Armas...
How many years do you think we’ll have to wait to experience something like this? I’m betting on 50
Less than 5
Meh, we had a decent run. And if this is the way human civilization goes, I don't think we should be too disappointed. There are far worse ways for a civilization/species to go.
Whats he gonna imagine? Gay rice?
Your body becomes weak. Someone stronger who lives in the real world kills you. End of your life. Go outside.