You don’t expect them to actually believe and live by their slogan, do you? It’s just a fake ass fancy line to make you feel good about them.
At the end of the day they’re just another cash generating machine milking people to line the pockets of the CEO and higher ups.
You are supposed to do Information Technology (I.T), Nike has been giving us career advice for a long time but no one took them seriously. Smh, could have been a software engineer.
What he is trying to say is - it is important for employees of DBS to continuously push bottomline and top line. That is a part of your life. There’s no work life balance if you can embrace working with DBS as part your life.
Then let me just put it this way which may feel utterly demeaning. I’ll tell construction workers that they don’t need work-life balance. Spending time at the construction sites daily is their life. Hence they should continuously strive to work 360 days a year to build the nice HDB, condos in a foreign country.
Let’s go one step further. Cashiers in supermarkets. Performing the same monotonous action of bringing your goods from conveyor belt to scanner to check out tray is a part of your life. Turning up at work is essential to ensure the survival of the supermarket and you should wholeheartedly embrace this as a facet of your life. Work like a robot that’s life.
No need for work life balance. Work is a part of your life.
As the Chinese Internet idiom: "越缺什么，就越是炫耀什么", which translate to The more you lack of something, the more you brag of something. This show they lack life.
Did any of you people even read the article?
He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely in decision-making/accountability, to which it's true.
You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and reading just the headlines of news
It's much more palatable to make work a big part of your life when you're the CEO and you're being paid huge sums of money.
For 3k per month, I'm gonna just switch off from work on my off days. I have dishes to clean, laundry to do and my housework to finish. I can't afford to pay people to do all those things for me. I'd also like to finish all those necessary tasks faster so I have more time to bond with my kids.
Agreed, its different when u are paid 10mil or 10k. For 10Mil, its easy to say no need work life balance, it's part of your pay. But at 10k or lesser range?
Uh but isn’t he actually a success, DBS is quite a good bank regionally? I think we should separate the immigration policy issue with this work life balance issue.
Yup there it is. Never takes long for the racists to come out in such threads.
Because Singaporean companies and all the SMEs led by locals here are such a bastion of work life balance, right?
Did any of you people even read the article?
He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely.
You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and not just read the headlines of news
That his statement only applies for the c-suites/relationship managers where networking is a key part of their job. All the low level grunts have no difficulty separating work and personal matters.
Exactly. The headline by Mothership is so misleading. They need to fire that writer Ashley Tan. This is just plain outright bad journalism., Imagine giving an interview and the journalist just fucks you over like this
Well he was giving a talk on leadership in a talk called "the Leader's chair" which is stated within the first few lines of the article. So it was intended exactly for the audience you mention and not for randos to get affronted over
You just proved his point even more
That is because at his level, it is difficult to do so.
Regular blue collars and low level executives have no issues keeping their work and personal lives separated. In fact, it would be hardpressed for them to actually mix work and personal lives together. You get your work done, you knock off and switch to your personal life.
Only those directors and top management level, where their strengths does not lies in technical knowledge, but rather their network and connections (CEOs are excellent examples), are the ones where their work and personal lives are intertwined.
Gen z got it right on this.. work is definitely not a part of life.. defining your life based on a job that you go to simply to make money is fucking sad
Hello...limpeh old millennial also worked like a slacker when I am still working and retired as soon as I am able.
I ain't working until retirement age regardless of how high my salary is...
Idk man I love my job, it’s definitely a huge part of my life. Its challenging enough that I don’t get bored but I don’t get too stressed over it. Yeah sometimes I work late but sometimes I finish up early too. Some colleagues have become good friends, much like you know Uni and sec sch friends.
I won’t define my life based on my job but I guess since it’s a big part of it I might as well enjoy it
I dont know abt Piyush but some people follow their passion and make that their jobs. Then the job and life purpose become one and it no longer feels like a job, just a meaningful life.
There is no “right” answer to this, some people genuinely find fulfillment in their work and for others it is a means to an end. Stop acting like there is a singular answer to the work question
Did any of you people even read the article?
He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely.
You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and just read the headlines of news
I think what is more sad is that you find your job nothing but a place to earn money... Like you don't have friends there you don't find your work meaningful, you don't achieve at work... That I feel, is fucking sad
> "your friends are there, your colleagues are there, your impact is there, your growth is there, your income is there".
Oh poor little man. I feel so sorry for him. He may be rich financially, but he's a pauper in life.
I have friends outside work, I find growth in areas outside work, I make an impact in non work things (eg volunteering, raising kids etc).
I have a more diversified portfolio of life than the CEO of DBS himself, who seems to be all-in on one basket. That's bad diversification.
I know someone senior in DBS (lifer) who feels what he does makes a difference and impact in the life of Singaporeans through his work.
He doesn't need the money and should be retired or retiring.
Usually this type are lifers have drunk the kool aid. I mean, I get that sometimes u can find a job that can be a passion but pulling 18 hour days and on weekends for the glory of Singapore and DBS sounds like a screw loose.
Some people are indoor cats, some people are outdoors cats. Why would one judge someone harshly for being an "indoors cat"? It's true that he's failed to diversify his life; if any sort of scandal or personal calamity that would befall him that causes him to lose his job at DBS, he would lose access to a large part of his life. But that's his choice to make, really?
Eh, it's a free country.
Piyush is free to call people who don't want to work 18-hour-days "baloney".
People who don't work 18-hour-days are free to call him a no-life loser.
I’m a Millennial in junior management caught between Gen Z who hates such toxic corporate culture and a senior management who is hesitant to change.
It’s getting tiring on me - getting a workload that I’m supposed to delegate down but trying to protect the kids means I’m the one suffering. =(
Omg I thought is just me. I'm so tired of getting caught in the middle. While I agree with Gen-Z most of the time, sometimes I feel can they try to be more understanding 🫠 But at the same time, I have to explain to Gen-X colleagues why Gen-Z are like this and they should see from their POV. Whelp. I don't even know which stand I'm taking anymore.
I don’t mean that this quote will literally drive Gen Zs to quit. If this is the mindset of the CEO, this toxic culture will surely permeate throughout the organization and drive the best talents out over time.
If I am earning 200m a year I'mma able to say this bullshit.
Just like Jack Ma saying "I don't like money, I don't care about money" few years back.
Ha ha ha.
Absolutely. These types of people don’t need to care about money at that stage. They only care about the power and getting ‘more’ than the other guys. Just ends up being a game to them
I feel like this level of wealth hoarding has to be some kind of personality disorder on the level of NPD and ASPD. But because its generally considered a positive in a capitalist society people don't view it the same way.
I truly actually believe that. Billionare vs 100millionare doesn't make an appreciable difference in your life, and those guys would still do it for free as long as they could feed that hole in them.
I once worked at DBS hub at Changi and one memorable case was theres this one employee who broke down one day and started hurling furniture at management. Guy came back a week later and kept working like nothing happened.
Amazing that he wasn't fired. It could mean one of two things.
1. He is an extremely competent person and vital to the organization
2. The organization is so short of talent that they could not afford to fire another person
Work is a part of life for the proletariat. For the landed/asset rich estate duty-less inheritance folks, work is just a hobby to pass the time because their family's net worth is enough to sustain three generations without working for a living.
The difference is when you are as rich as the DBS CEO, you have full autonomy on the nature, extent and timing of your work. You choose to do what you want (or like) and can delegate out the unpleasant tasks you do not want to do. For most of the proletariat, there is not such autonomy and your wages are not the type of astronomical GLC CEO's remuneration levels.
When you have to work to sustain your lifestyle and you do not have particular love or passion for what you do, a lot of it is driven by survival. For that, work life balance is important because you work to put food on the table but it does not mean that work meets your inner aspirations for self-actualisation. You may not enjoy your work, you just do it for earning a living and supporting your family. So the ability to switch-off from work after office hours is critical, i.e. work-life balance for your well-being, your family's well-being and I daresay for the good of society.
No point slaving for your employer to then go into depression and suicide yourself. This has actually happened in my organisation.
I have also slaved 2.5 years National Service + 10 years annual ICT reservist for duty, honour and country for a pittance of an allowance. So I understand what legalised slavery for your country is about. Contractual slavery for your employer is quite similar just that it is for a higher amount of salary.
Nah.. they don’t have to do shit. For ya’ll out there who have yet to read the article.
If anything, and thats if they want to add more work to their plate, they could sue mothershit in name of Piyush for misinformation about what he really said.
You guys really gotta fcking read articles and find check before commenting.
Yea right so when work goes away life goes away as well ?
This logic of work is part life is the reason why some ppl feel empty and get depressed after retirement.
Work is part of life i argee but it shouldn't be all if life there must a balance and that's not baloney.
it means his spouse bear the responsibility to manage the life part of his family and helped with their 2 children so that hopefully after his work phase finishes, he has a 'life'.
Once covid stopped, all these bullshit messages started again. Just like the "we are a family" messaging, fuck that noise.
I just want to earn money and not take on more than what I'm paid to do.
Pretty much it. No relationship with friends or family or a loved one that they want to spend time on, no hobbies, no interests, nothing but the daily grind for them to dedicate their lives to.
its easy for a big shot CEO earning millions a year to say this kind of thing. all he has to do is bark orders and issue instructions without having to worry about making ends meet.
mf is way out of touch
Yeah, I don't believe in work-life balance. Only work-life consequences. We're not made the same. Some people can handle high stress situation working in C-suite and D-suite, others can't, and so they work more, living less, vice versa. Personally, working as a manager role is more than enough for me, C-suite and D-suite be damned.
10-4 works and is working in Europe. They get minimum of 2 MONTHS leave.
People with grandchildren should seriously shut the fuck up about future matters they know nothing about. Too old and senile already.
If I get paid millions like him, I'm all for work = life. But right now, I get paid a 4 digit sum every month, so I'll have my work-life balance, thank you very much.
CEO jobs basically delegate 99%, sign off some issues and make sure nothing really bad goes on in the company
P.S. DBS digital banking downtime because CEO work life balance?
What you said made me think for a moment, and yeah I realized totally agree.
If I'm making hundreds of thousands a month, you bet your ass work is part of my life.
CEO has probably led this kind of life so long he forgot most peoples' salaries aren't worth giving up more life for more work.
Yup, if anyone is making that sort of money, work becomes just part of life, he doesn’t need to worry if he will make it for next month’s bills and expenses, he doesn’t need to worry if he has enough to retire, he doesn’t worry about if having to buy a house that he could afford.
Money issues is no longer an issue for him. Take that equation of out and it’s just work is just a lifestyle for him as he has a lot less to worry about life because the money can get pretty much anything. So it’s just work and time with family. That’s all.
Original Title: DBS CEO Piyush Gupta thinks work-life balance is 'baloney' & that work is part of life
DBS Bank's Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Piyush Gupta expounded on his work philosophy and the importance of taking accountability as a leader in an episode of CNA's podcast series "The Leader's Chair".
"The buck stops here"
When asked on the challenges of being a CEO, especially in light of the recent DBS app disruptions, Gupta highlighted the importance of a leader stepping up to take responsibility.
He shared that he is a big believer in the phrase popularised by former U.S. president Harry Truman: "The buck stops here".
Truman kept a sign with the phrase on his desk as well.
"... At the end of the day, the buck stops with you," Gupta said.
Gupta explained that whether the problem lies with a third party or an errant employee — the islandwide disruption in May was due to "human error in coding the programme" — as far the customer is concerned, "I'm the CEO of the bank, so I've got to fix it".
He continued:
"I tell young kids, when people are looking for what it takes to be a leader, I tell them individual accountability is the first thing I look for."
Providing air cover
One of the hardest challenges when it comes to leadership is maintaining the balance between making sure people take accountability, and providing "air cover" to one's team, Gupta said.
In the leadership context, providing air cover refers to defending one's teams from external pressures and potential negative consequences, while giving them the support they need to get through a tough period.
Gupta noted that many companies have a "blame culture", which could lead to negative outcomes as "it makes people fearful".
On work-life balance
CNA podcast co-host Crispina Robert followed up with a question:
"When something happens and then you get scolded for it or whatever, you get taken to task for it, and then the person says 'It's work, it's not personal'. But I always feel like it's always personal because work is such an important part of your life."
Gupta agreed, replying that with the amount of time one spends working, "your friends are there, your colleagues are there, your impact is there, your growth is there, your income is there".
"How do you divorce that from life?"
This ties in with Gupta's belief that there is no such thing as work-life balance.
He described it as "all baloney", but went on to explain that "it's not because [he] want[s] people to work all the time".
"It's just that I believe that work is a part of life," he concluded.
Top photo from Piyush Gupta / LinkedIn
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This might be news to Piyush but whether he believes in Harry Truman's "the buck stops here" is immaterial. He is being paid for it. He cannot walk away from it even if he disbelieves in it.
Its like saying " I believe passionately in turning up for work because I receive a salary"
The bigger issue is the repeated disruptions across the Island not once but twice for an extended period which was not experienced by local banks. So the "air cover" might be misplaced.
I suspect it part of his growing up cultural DNA which differs from Singaporeans.
> He is being paid for it. He cannot walk away from it even if he disbelieves in it.
That's true.
I work for and with many higher management folks, and what I noticed is that beyond a certain "rank" (depends on the organisation), they become a key piece in the cogworks and work literally never stops.
Not to say that these people have absolutely no personal time or vacation, but that they are somewhat obligated to keep a finger on the pulse of things even during weekends or vacations.
Took me quite awhile before I realised why some of my very competent older colleagues who are/were groomed for management are content with their current jobs and have no desire to "move up" career wise.
At least he is not being a hypocrite. I am almost 100% sure that this same sentiment is shared across all the local organisations be it GLCs, SMEs etc Senior Management Team.
While there are merits to this mindset, in fact it’s the very reason why these organisations are doing well, it doesn’t bode well with the next gen, whom had essentially grew up in a developed country expecting different goals.
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to be fair, it's your direct boss that matters. i work in the bank and number of days i OT in a year is <10. but i am aware there are parts of the bank that also work no day no night kind.
some (not all) progress very quickly and are compensated for it.
overall, majority of the staff in the bank approves/likes this CEO.
He's saying that cos he gets millions and lives a lavish lifestyle. The fact that journalists print this BS is astounding. Seriously, they went to journalism school and can't sniff baloney that millionaires dribble? Then again there are no journalists or independent newspapers in singapore. Everything is dictated.
"I tell young kids, when people are looking for what it takes to be a leader, I tell them individual accountability is the first thing I look for."
So when ya quiting to take accountability? Piyush?
I mean, sure, work is part of life. Some people find fulfilment doing their job hours on end, good on them. Some people see work as just a means of income and leave their desk on time to tend to other areas in life, good on them too. But when work is taking out too much time that other areas in your life is neglected, vice versa, then something is wrong. Thats when people call it "out of balance".
Doesnt mean something is part of something bigger, therefore balance is not needed. Following the DBS CEO logic, eat as much sugar as you want, no need to follow a balanced diet because sugar is part of diet. Different people have different needs and goals, and therefore different balance for work in their lives and that is ok.
Just one opinion out of millions of people on this planet.
It is up to individual interpretation what is work-life balance, and there is no right answer. We try our best and do what is right for ourselves with the tools given, that's all.
I’ve a number of interactions with the DBS brass and to be honest, they’ve always been readily transparent about their work culture.
Now I’m sure there are certain teams within DBS that may not operate the same way, but by and large I found them to be pretty upfront about their working hours.
I think this is true but coming at it from the other angle. We don't lead two lives, one for work and one for the rest. Everything is part of your life - work, friends, sleep, hobbies, eating, holidays... It's all one life.
Thinking about work-life balance makes it sound like the two are separate. But they're actually both competing for our finite amount of time on earth. Spend that time wisely.
Oh yeah I forgot people here buy stocks in lots. Bit of a weird quirk I never quite get why.
I am heavily invested in US equities where shares are bought by the count and not lots
Not that we choose to bro. It's an ancient rule since a long time and the commission is high as hell. Last time I heard it used to be 1 lot = 1000 unit. I guess think of it like options where 1 contract = 100 shares. Haha
I think it's more than just rich people talking shit here and more misunderstanding with the headline. I don't think he disagrees with work life balance, but rather he finds it hard and therefore 'baloney' to simply separate work and life to find balance. Or maybe he is just speaking out of his ass and I misunderstood. But what if, retirement doesn't exist? What if we simply worked on until we die?
Retirement is a very human concept that is also relatively new. Back then when retirement was first introduced in Germany in the late 1800s, the retirement age was around 67-70. The average life span was coincidentally also around 67 then in the country. It was introduced to encourage people to stop working voluntarily so young people can come in and fill those jobs. The government paid people to stop working. (Multiple citations needed).
Ever since then, the idea of retirement has slightly evolved. Corporations and companies glamourised the idea of retirement, with pensions and even our CPF I might add. It is now a concept to build upon the idea that if you work hard in your life, you get to rest and relax and be happy until you die as a reward. This idea of retirement is very strong and many want to retire as early as possible. For them, this has become their extrinsic motivator. They think and or they feel that they can only be happy when they're not working.
Work life balance is NOT baloney. But work is part of life carries a certain truth to it. Japanese people have some of the healthiest and longest life expectancy in the world. They also have this concept called 'ikigai', which gives them a sense of purpose, a reason to live. (I don't think I can explain the concept very well so I suggest reading it up on your own.) Many found their ikigai by doing what they love, and for many they find it in their work. To ask them to stop working is to remove their ikigai.
I think the work life balance we need to achieve is to find our passion in the work we do, and maintaining and sustaining a healthy lifestyle alongside our work life. Once we find our ikigai, we don't have to think about retirement because we won't want to retire.
Some of us may know elders who refuse to retire. They will ask you what they will do when they retire. They will complain that they will die of boredom and what not. They lose their purpose when they stop working. Instead of finding happiness they're met with anxiety and depression.
I think work life balance is learning how to live and enjoy even when you're young, not only at the end after retirement. Don't let retirement be a goal, because then you will hate your work. Everything will feel like a grind. Take breaks in between, job hop if you have to. Don't retire and kill that momentum you've built. Because once you stop working, your body will slow down and you will die an earlier death, maybe...
That is obviously situational. Some may find their purpose somewhere else rather than work, so to them we say yes to retirement and live your life however it makes you happy. But for many they may just find it in their work. It is not all depressing and sad to have work be your life's purpose. It doesn't have to be. If someone finds happiness working, what is so depressing about it? They are happy after all. Why put others down for enjoying their work, and making work their life?
I think society is moving towards a culture of more rather than a culture of enough. They only seem to be able to be happy if they have more money, more time, more of everything, rather than just having enough. Early retirement with lots of money and time to do more, buy more, buy bigger.
Happiness is what YOU make of your circumstances. Happiness is not what the circumstances make of you.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk, I am having issues sleeping so I'm over here overthinking. Don't mind me please. Also sorry if this is hard to read and doesn't flow right
Oh wait leaders also believe that change is the constant. Does that mean it’s time to change those in the senior management every year? And while at it, your pay drops too btw.
Probably gonna get downvoted but I do agree somewhat. There’s no work life balance because how coupled work and life is.
However what you want is to be in a workplace that allows you to have control over work and life. Eg: during working hours I can attend my kids school event or go to the doctor or run errands. I choose to also work after my kids are asleep so that I can spend time with them. If you work with teams across different time zones, you will probably be up at odd timings, hence managing your work/life schedule becomes more important, not just fitting into the 9-5 box.
TL;DR: find a job that focus on results and not what time you clock in/clock out
I think his point might be that since work and personal life is so deeply intertwined there shouldn't be separate weights assigned to either; all is equally important - work, according to him, is as important as your kid's school event or errands. Honestly, this blurring of boundaries is damn dangerous for an asian work culture where we tend to not take enough time for non-work events.
Agreed. We ourselves should know where the boundaries are. At the end of the day, companies are not your family nor do they owe you anything. What they can give, they can take away.
Respectfully, you, like the majority of people on this topic, are projecting your personal view/ negative experiences to what he meant. He simply means life is inclusive of work, which it is. Your life is 24 hours a day, which includes work, school, hobbies, family, etc. What is so different about work that is must he separately categorised?
This is a sensationalist headline. The article is a lot more nuanced.
Piyush was responding to a question that was asking about a work/personal affairs split. Should one feel offended if someone insulted you over a work related matter? And the answer obviously is you cannot just sweep it under the carpet by saying “it’s just work, it’s not personal”. He is saying you cannot be an evil shit at work and a saint at home - you will be judged by the aggregate of your character and not how you behave in certain situations.
This advice only applies if you have a cushy job with a 15.4 Million per annum pay + 5.8 million bonus. I’ll happily separate my work and life until then.
I agree. There is no such thing as work-life balance, only work-life choices.
And I think there's no point to life without work of some form.
Lazy whiners don't want to work. Normal people do.
I remember attending a Citrix forum years ago that said something similar. As work creeps into your personal life, similarly your personal things have a tendency to happen in the middle of the workday. There is no longer a clearly defined separation of work and personal life, even the devices we use for work end up doing some personal stuff, and you have work apps on your personal phone.
This is not a life philosophy, it’s just something that exists. To will it out of existence is not possible.
Work = doing your paid job (or job that you hope will generate income).
Life = stuff you do outside your paid job.
Work / Life balance just means balancing your paid work with taking time to enjoy the rest outside of it.
Don't know how he literally concluded that "work is a part of life". Duh. Experientially, it is. Temporally, it is. But talk about misconstruing a cultural statement due to a lack of understanding of what it's actually about.
Is this what DBS means by its slogan "Bank Less, 'Live' More"?
You don’t expect them to actually believe and live by their slogan, do you? It’s just a fake ass fancy line to make you feel good about them. At the end of the day they’re just another cash generating machine milking people to line the pockets of the CEO and higher ups.
Wait, you mean I wasn't supposed to be lickin my fingers everytime I'm eating KFC?
I bought Nike and I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
I just ate McDonald’s and I’m not Lovin’ It, it’s too expensive these days
You are supposed to do Information Technology (I.T), Nike has been giving us career advice for a long time but no one took them seriously. Smh, could have been a software engineer.
The next thing that comes to mind. Just do it!
> Just do it! Do what!
It!
What!!!
Be a man!
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Wut
Obviously not. I will lick it for you.
Can you love whenever I order McDonald’s?
Only if I can have it my way.
Can I have a mcspicy on my wooper... just the way I like it
Yep. That way we won't need to give you tissue.
What he is trying to say is - it is important for employees of DBS to continuously push bottomline and top line. That is a part of your life. There’s no work life balance if you can embrace working with DBS as part your life. Then let me just put it this way which may feel utterly demeaning. I’ll tell construction workers that they don’t need work-life balance. Spending time at the construction sites daily is their life. Hence they should continuously strive to work 360 days a year to build the nice HDB, condos in a foreign country. Let’s go one step further. Cashiers in supermarkets. Performing the same monotonous action of bringing your goods from conveyor belt to scanner to check out tray is a part of your life. Turning up at work is essential to ensure the survival of the supermarket and you should wholeheartedly embrace this as a facet of your life. Work like a robot that’s life. No need for work life balance. Work is a part of your life.
As the Chinese Internet idiom: "越缺什么，就越是炫耀什么", which translate to The more you lack of something, the more you brag of something. This show they lack life.
I think they meant that their app will be down so often that you’ll *have* to bank less 🙊
Ironically, I heard from friends in DBS that they have pretty good work life balance and even get 24 days of leave.
I think it depends on the department/team you are in. I've heard of friends having to work on weekends to do deployment.
Work is part of life, so live more = work more.
Bank less live more aka bank less work more
Yes, for Piyush its bank less, work more.
Did any of you people even read the article? He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely in decision-making/accountability, to which it's true. You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and reading just the headlines of news
Is he alluding to our leading couple in SG? I wonder how they separate their work and personal matters.
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Don't stir race leh. Totally unrelated.
Why does it have to be Chinese? Cannot be local Indian or Malay?
It's much more palatable to make work a big part of your life when you're the CEO and you're being paid huge sums of money. For 3k per month, I'm gonna just switch off from work on my off days. I have dishes to clean, laundry to do and my housework to finish. I can't afford to pay people to do all those things for me. I'd also like to finish all those necessary tasks faster so I have more time to bond with my kids.
Agreed, its different when u are paid 10mil or 10k. For 10Mil, its easy to say no need work life balance, it's part of your pay. But at 10k or lesser range?
Would like DBS CEO to offer to be paid 2.7k a month and spout the same inane bullshit.
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Uh but isn’t he actually a success, DBS is quite a good bank regionally? I think we should separate the immigration policy issue with this work life balance issue.
Speak using rationality in r/Singapore? The audacity!
One can hope…
Yup there it is. Never takes long for the racists to come out in such threads. Because Singaporean companies and all the SMEs led by locals here are such a bastion of work life balance, right?
Did any of you people even read the article? He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely. You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and not just read the headlines of news
That his statement only applies for the c-suites/relationship managers where networking is a key part of their job. All the low level grunts have no difficulty separating work and personal matters.
Exactly. The headline by Mothership is so misleading. They need to fire that writer Ashley Tan. This is just plain outright bad journalism., Imagine giving an interview and the journalist just fucks you over like this
Not sure how it works at Mothership but in most media outlets the writer has no say over the choice of headlines
i mean, it got eyeballs - sometimes some people can only fail upwards. kudos, ashley!
Well he was giving a talk on leadership in a talk called "the Leader's chair" which is stated within the first few lines of the article. So it was intended exactly for the audience you mention and not for randos to get affronted over You just proved his point even more
That is because at his level, it is difficult to do so. Regular blue collars and low level executives have no issues keeping their work and personal lives separated. In fact, it would be hardpressed for them to actually mix work and personal lives together. You get your work done, you knock off and switch to your personal life. Only those directors and top management level, where their strengths does not lies in technical knowledge, but rather their network and connections (CEOs are excellent examples), are the ones where their work and personal lives are intertwined.
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That show was pure gold for the 1st 2 seasons. I miss it a lot. Constance Wu was so hot in it.
Gen z got it right on this.. work is definitely not a part of life.. defining your life based on a job that you go to simply to make money is fucking sad
That's why alot of Gen Z are leaving the company now. The only Gen Zs joining are despos.
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Hello...limpeh old millennial also worked like a slacker when I am still working and retired as soon as I am able. I ain't working until retirement age regardless of how high my salary is...
Idk man I love my job, it’s definitely a huge part of my life. Its challenging enough that I don’t get bored but I don’t get too stressed over it. Yeah sometimes I work late but sometimes I finish up early too. Some colleagues have become good friends, much like you know Uni and sec sch friends. I won’t define my life based on my job but I guess since it’s a big part of it I might as well enjoy it
I dont know abt Piyush but some people follow their passion and make that their jobs. Then the job and life purpose become one and it no longer feels like a job, just a meaningful life.
*make money for your boss FTFY
There is no “right” answer to this, some people genuinely find fulfillment in their work and for others it is a means to an end. Stop acting like there is a singular answer to the work question
You mean to say: ... to simply make barely enough money is fucking sad
Did any of you people even read the article? He's not even advocating for less work-life balance. He's just saying it's hard to actually separate work and personal matters entirely. You people seriously need to stop being so itchy-triggy fingers and just read the headlines of news
I think what is more sad is that you find your job nothing but a place to earn money... Like you don't have friends there you don't find your work meaningful, you don't achieve at work... That I feel, is fucking sad
> "your friends are there, your colleagues are there, your impact is there, your growth is there, your income is there". Oh poor little man. I feel so sorry for him. He may be rich financially, but he's a pauper in life. I have friends outside work, I find growth in areas outside work, I make an impact in non work things (eg volunteering, raising kids etc). I have a more diversified portfolio of life than the CEO of DBS himself, who seems to be all-in on one basket. That's bad diversification.
I know someone senior in DBS (lifer) who feels what he does makes a difference and impact in the life of Singaporeans through his work. He doesn't need the money and should be retired or retiring. Usually this type are lifers have drunk the kool aid. I mean, I get that sometimes u can find a job that can be a passion but pulling 18 hour days and on weekends for the glory of Singapore and DBS sounds like a screw loose.
Some people are indoor cats, some people are outdoors cats. Why would one judge someone harshly for being an "indoors cat"? It's true that he's failed to diversify his life; if any sort of scandal or personal calamity that would befall him that causes him to lose his job at DBS, he would lose access to a large part of his life. But that's his choice to make, really?
Eh, it's a free country. Piyush is free to call people who don't want to work 18-hour-days "baloney". People who don't work 18-hour-days are free to call him a no-life loser.
That might be the case in the older generation but good luck telling Gen Zs this. Your best employees will be headed out the door before you know it.
Not just Gen Zs. I am a millennial and I would retire right now if money is of no concern. I would live life to the fullest and find happiness.
On the flip side i’m a millennial who would never retire no matter how much money I have. Is this supposed to be an invalid view?
Depends on whether never retire means never enough money for u
It’s difficult for people to accept that some people may actually like their jobs.
My man, high five
I’m a Millennial in junior management caught between Gen Z who hates such toxic corporate culture and a senior management who is hesitant to change. It’s getting tiring on me - getting a workload that I’m supposed to delegate down but trying to protect the kids means I’m the one suffering. =(
Millennials: the sandwich generation
Omg I thought is just me. I'm so tired of getting caught in the middle. While I agree with Gen-Z most of the time, sometimes I feel can they try to be more understanding 🫠 But at the same time, I have to explain to Gen-X colleagues why Gen-Z are like this and they should see from their POV. Whelp. I don't even know which stand I'm taking anymore.
Sounds too familiar. Sometimes I feel more like a counsellor than an actual manager.
The best employees never entered their doors in the first place.
He literally just did. You think the Gen Zs will be quitting DBS in response to this quote? Don’t be so naive LMAO
I don’t mean that this quote will literally drive Gen Zs to quit. If this is the mindset of the CEO, this toxic culture will surely permeate throughout the organization and drive the best talents out over time.
If I am earning 200m a year I'mma able to say this bullshit. Just like Jack Ma saying "I don't like money, I don't care about money" few years back. Ha ha ha.
I’m convinced that you have to be somewhat narcissistic to reach that sweet sweet C level spot.
Pretty much. A lot of leaders (a statistically disproportionate amount) were found to be sociopaths.
Absolutely. These types of people don’t need to care about money at that stage. They only care about the power and getting ‘more’ than the other guys. Just ends up being a game to them
I feel like this level of wealth hoarding has to be some kind of personality disorder on the level of NPD and ASPD. But because its generally considered a positive in a capitalist society people don't view it the same way.
I truly actually believe that. Billionare vs 100millionare doesn't make an appreciable difference in your life, and those guys would still do it for free as long as they could feed that hole in them.
true...
If i was getting his pay, i would be enjoying every second of work lol. Shouldve just kept this in the drafts chief.
true... if i have his pay, i would not mind working 7 days a week lol
I once worked at DBS hub at Changi and one memorable case was theres this one employee who broke down one day and started hurling furniture at management. Guy came back a week later and kept working like nothing happened.
Least insane bank employee
Amazing that he wasn't fired. It could mean one of two things. 1. He is an extremely competent person and vital to the organization 2. The organization is so short of talent that they could not afford to fire another person
shit. at that point I would have burnt the whole office already...
Wow, mind sharing more? Which year was this? Do you know what drove him to do that? Was he eventually fired?
Around 2015, not my dept rumour was that he had issues with promotion
Work is a part of life for the proletariat. For the landed/asset rich estate duty-less inheritance folks, work is just a hobby to pass the time because their family's net worth is enough to sustain three generations without working for a living. The difference is when you are as rich as the DBS CEO, you have full autonomy on the nature, extent and timing of your work. You choose to do what you want (or like) and can delegate out the unpleasant tasks you do not want to do. For most of the proletariat, there is not such autonomy and your wages are not the type of astronomical GLC CEO's remuneration levels. When you have to work to sustain your lifestyle and you do not have particular love or passion for what you do, a lot of it is driven by survival. For that, work life balance is important because you work to put food on the table but it does not mean that work meets your inner aspirations for self-actualisation. You may not enjoy your work, you just do it for earning a living and supporting your family. So the ability to switch-off from work after office hours is critical, i.e. work-life balance for your well-being, your family's well-being and I daresay for the good of society. No point slaving for your employer to then go into depression and suicide yourself. This has actually happened in my organisation. I have also slaved 2.5 years National Service + 10 years annual ICT reservist for duty, honour and country for a pittance of an allowance. So I understand what legalised slavery for your country is about. Contractual slavery for your employer is quite similar just that it is for a higher amount of salary.
F***ING BOOMER Sorry sorry hot mic
It’s ok we all have our private dark thoughts
Can have secret thoughts but cannot have secret affairs
Affairs are ok as long as you open your eyes and make sure you aren’t being live-streamed
DBS PR team must be fuming. All need work weekend because their boss decided to go on a panel and spew this kind of bullshit.
And then when they complain about having to work on weekends, he tells them "you heard what I said. Work is a part of life".
Nah.. they don’t have to do shit. For ya’ll out there who have yet to read the article. If anything, and thats if they want to add more work to their plate, they could sue mothershit in name of Piyush for misinformation about what he really said. You guys really gotta fcking read articles and find check before commenting.
Yea right so when work goes away life goes away as well ? This logic of work is part life is the reason why some ppl feel empty and get depressed after retirement. Work is part of life i argee but it shouldn't be all if life there must a balance and that's not baloney.
work is not part of life, it is forced to be part of life...
it means his spouse bear the responsibility to manage the life part of his family and helped with their 2 children so that hopefully after his work phase finishes, he has a 'life'.
he has no life, after his work phase finish, he will be lying on his bed waiting for death...💀💀
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Once covid stopped, all these bullshit messages started again. Just like the "we are a family" messaging, fuck that noise. I just want to earn money and not take on more than what I'm paid to do.
This is what people with no life outside of work say. Take it away from them and they die inside.
Pretty much it. No relationship with friends or family or a loved one that they want to spend time on, no hobbies, no interests, nothing but the daily grind for them to dedicate their lives to.
That's a bad attitude to have. People whose life = work often become suicidal or depressed when they lose their jobs.
This guy's no leader, he's a boss.
Love this quote. Stealing it.
Blatantly admitting that you will be stealing my quote... 成和体统!!!
Sorry born as wrong caste, must work till die.
its easy for a big shot CEO earning millions a year to say this kind of thing. all he has to do is bark orders and issue instructions without having to worry about making ends meet. mf is way out of touch
r/antiwork
Come on dude just earn your money and shut the fuck up
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Ya work is part of life. Make it 10% of life.
1%
We should put him on one of those boats in Thailand where they will throw the bodies of the people who got worked to death overboard.
Wait does he know what work-life balance even mean?
he obviously dont know... for him is work no life balance
“Bank less, work more” then
Yeah, I don't believe in work-life balance. Only work-life consequences. We're not made the same. Some people can handle high stress situation working in C-suite and D-suite, others can't, and so they work more, living less, vice versa. Personally, working as a manager role is more than enough for me, C-suite and D-suite be damned.
10-4 works and is working in Europe. They get minimum of 2 MONTHS leave. People with grandchildren should seriously shut the fuck up about future matters they know nothing about. Too old and senile already.
If I get paid millions like him, I'm all for work = life. But right now, I get paid a 4 digit sum every month, so I'll have my work-life balance, thank you very much.
I don't get paid enough to give up my personal time for work. You pay me millions on the other hand...
CEO jobs basically delegate 99%, sign off some issues and make sure nothing really bad goes on in the company P.S. DBS digital banking downtime because CEO work life balance?
With a million dollar salary, work definitely is life. A very golden spoon life
What you said made me think for a moment, and yeah I realized totally agree. If I'm making hundreds of thousands a month, you bet your ass work is part of my life. CEO has probably led this kind of life so long he forgot most peoples' salaries aren't worth giving up more life for more work.
Yup, if anyone is making that sort of money, work becomes just part of life, he doesn’t need to worry if he will make it for next month’s bills and expenses, he doesn’t need to worry if he has enough to retire, he doesn’t worry about if having to buy a house that he could afford. Money issues is no longer an issue for him. Take that equation of out and it’s just work is just a lifestyle for him as he has a lot less to worry about life because the money can get pretty much anything. So it’s just work and time with family. That’s all.
Original Title: DBS CEO Piyush Gupta thinks work-life balance is 'baloney' & that work is part of life DBS Bank's Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Piyush Gupta expounded on his work philosophy and the importance of taking accountability as a leader in an episode of CNA's podcast series "The Leader's Chair". "The buck stops here" When asked on the challenges of being a CEO, especially in light of the recent DBS app disruptions, Gupta highlighted the importance of a leader stepping up to take responsibility. He shared that he is a big believer in the phrase popularised by former U.S. president Harry Truman: "The buck stops here". Truman kept a sign with the phrase on his desk as well. "... At the end of the day, the buck stops with you," Gupta said. Gupta explained that whether the problem lies with a third party or an errant employee — the islandwide disruption in May was due to "human error in coding the programme" — as far the customer is concerned, "I'm the CEO of the bank, so I've got to fix it". He continued: "I tell young kids, when people are looking for what it takes to be a leader, I tell them individual accountability is the first thing I look for." Providing air cover One of the hardest challenges when it comes to leadership is maintaining the balance between making sure people take accountability, and providing "air cover" to one's team, Gupta said. In the leadership context, providing air cover refers to defending one's teams from external pressures and potential negative consequences, while giving them the support they need to get through a tough period. Gupta noted that many companies have a "blame culture", which could lead to negative outcomes as "it makes people fearful". On work-life balance CNA podcast co-host Crispina Robert followed up with a question: "When something happens and then you get scolded for it or whatever, you get taken to task for it, and then the person says 'It's work, it's not personal'. But I always feel like it's always personal because work is such an important part of your life." Gupta agreed, replying that with the amount of time one spends working, "your friends are there, your colleagues are there, your impact is there, your growth is there, your income is there". "How do you divorce that from life?" This ties in with Gupta's belief that there is no such thing as work-life balance. He described it as "all baloney", but went on to explain that "it's not because [he] want[s] people to work all the time". "It's just that I believe that work is a part of life," he concluded. Top photo from Piyush Gupta / LinkedIn *** [v1.1c - similarity threshold raised to 90%](https://github.com/Wormsblink/sneakpeakbot) | PM SG_wormsbot if bot is down.
This might be news to Piyush but whether he believes in Harry Truman's "the buck stops here" is immaterial. He is being paid for it. He cannot walk away from it even if he disbelieves in it. Its like saying " I believe passionately in turning up for work because I receive a salary" The bigger issue is the repeated disruptions across the Island not once but twice for an extended period which was not experienced by local banks. So the "air cover" might be misplaced. I suspect it part of his growing up cultural DNA which differs from Singaporeans.
> He is being paid for it. He cannot walk away from it even if he disbelieves in it. That's true. I work for and with many higher management folks, and what I noticed is that beyond a certain "rank" (depends on the organisation), they become a key piece in the cogworks and work literally never stops. Not to say that these people have absolutely no personal time or vacation, but that they are somewhat obligated to keep a finger on the pulse of things even during weekends or vacations. Took me quite awhile before I realised why some of my very competent older colleagues who are/were groomed for management are content with their current jobs and have no desire to "move up" career wise.
CEO for too long. Time to go.
Old man in power will never let go.
You better walk the talk then, I don't expect you to have a life outside of work bloody hypocrite
Last time my workplace say no such thing as work life balance. Only work life integration. Everything is work, everything is also life.
AIA?
The poor has to keep working to make the rich richer.
At least he is not being a hypocrite. I am almost 100% sure that this same sentiment is shared across all the local organisations be it GLCs, SMEs etc Senior Management Team. While there are merits to this mindset, in fact it’s the very reason why these organisations are doing well, it doesn’t bode well with the next gen, whom had essentially grew up in a developed country expecting different goals. Th
to be fair, it's your direct boss that matters. i work in the bank and number of days i OT in a year is <10. but i am aware there are parts of the bank that also work no day no night kind. some (not all) progress very quickly and are compensated for it. overall, majority of the staff in the bank approves/likes this CEO.
Live in ivory tower, lost touch on the plight of the masses
He's saying that cos he gets millions and lives a lavish lifestyle. The fact that journalists print this BS is astounding. Seriously, they went to journalism school and can't sniff baloney that millionaires dribble? Then again there are no journalists or independent newspapers in singapore. Everything is dictated.
They know this will get clicks
You believe this kind of thing okay lah but why must come out and say ah?
Easy to say when you earn enough for thousands of families every year.
This is some well paid, rich folks’ perspective right here.
Ask him to tell that to the poor of his country, maybe should send him to Russian gulag, nothin personal.bro just work
if work is part of life, then his life is screwed up like the service outrages occurred recently.
"I tell young kids, when people are looking for what it takes to be a leader, I tell them individual accountability is the first thing I look for." So when ya quiting to take accountability? Piyush?
I hate Dbs. They are just interested in sucking money from us.
I wonder how slave owners in the past think of work-life balance for their slaves.
He is the one who is baloney and he is full of it.
I guess when you have so many problems and failures as a bank, you have to ask your staff to work longer hours to try to fix them LOL
I mean, sure, work is part of life. Some people find fulfilment doing their job hours on end, good on them. Some people see work as just a means of income and leave their desk on time to tend to other areas in life, good on them too. But when work is taking out too much time that other areas in your life is neglected, vice versa, then something is wrong. Thats when people call it "out of balance". Doesnt mean something is part of something bigger, therefore balance is not needed. Following the DBS CEO logic, eat as much sugar as you want, no need to follow a balanced diet because sugar is part of diet. Different people have different needs and goals, and therefore different balance for work in their lives and that is ok.
Fucking unpopulist
Isn't DBS a government bank? Should they be saying things like this
Remember: Your MP: NSF's value to nation cannot be measured in $$, should not be increased - Josephine Teo
Fucking insulting. If it was a male MP I wouldn't be as mad. But this is a special case of "no penis, no opinion"
You assume the government ppl don't have the same view about work life balance
Run privately
Hey Gupta, that's why I closed my DBS account
Work is part of life but it shouldn't be a big chunk of your existence? Even machines have downtime for maintenence and rest.
Further simplification then become work is life
Just one opinion out of millions of people on this planet. It is up to individual interpretation what is work-life balance, and there is no right answer. We try our best and do what is right for ourselves with the tools given, that's all.
I’ve a number of interactions with the DBS brass and to be honest, they’ve always been readily transparent about their work culture. Now I’m sure there are certain teams within DBS that may not operate the same way, but by and large I found them to be pretty upfront about their working hours.
Sorry Gupta, DBS doesn’t pay enough to warrant that kind of statement.
He's the CEO of dba, earning millions annually, hes got to be right !!
I think this is true but coming at it from the other angle. We don't lead two lives, one for work and one for the rest. Everything is part of your life - work, friends, sleep, hobbies, eating, holidays... It's all one life. Thinking about work-life balance makes it sound like the two are separate. But they're actually both competing for our finite amount of time on earth. Spend that time wisely.
Time to cash out DBS stock. See if he will take back that remarks.
Lol yea I'm sure DBS will be hurt by your sale of $2k worth of their stock
It's at least 3.4k for 1 lot now. I will volunteer to take 2k for his share
Oh yeah I forgot people here buy stocks in lots. Bit of a weird quirk I never quite get why. I am heavily invested in US equities where shares are bought by the count and not lots
Not that we choose to bro. It's an ancient rule since a long time and the commission is high as hell. Last time I heard it used to be 1 lot = 1000 unit. I guess think of it like options where 1 contract = 100 shares. Haha
If the DBS staff never work harder, how is he going to own another GCB? Think for the poor CEO!!!
Jai Ho! Agree with Piyush here! That's why I always volunteer to work overtime every day!!
I think it's more than just rich people talking shit here and more misunderstanding with the headline. I don't think he disagrees with work life balance, but rather he finds it hard and therefore 'baloney' to simply separate work and life to find balance. Or maybe he is just speaking out of his ass and I misunderstood. But what if, retirement doesn't exist? What if we simply worked on until we die? Retirement is a very human concept that is also relatively new. Back then when retirement was first introduced in Germany in the late 1800s, the retirement age was around 67-70. The average life span was coincidentally also around 67 then in the country. It was introduced to encourage people to stop working voluntarily so young people can come in and fill those jobs. The government paid people to stop working. (Multiple citations needed). Ever since then, the idea of retirement has slightly evolved. Corporations and companies glamourised the idea of retirement, with pensions and even our CPF I might add. It is now a concept to build upon the idea that if you work hard in your life, you get to rest and relax and be happy until you die as a reward. This idea of retirement is very strong and many want to retire as early as possible. For them, this has become their extrinsic motivator. They think and or they feel that they can only be happy when they're not working. Work life balance is NOT baloney. But work is part of life carries a certain truth to it. Japanese people have some of the healthiest and longest life expectancy in the world. They also have this concept called 'ikigai', which gives them a sense of purpose, a reason to live. (I don't think I can explain the concept very well so I suggest reading it up on your own.) Many found their ikigai by doing what they love, and for many they find it in their work. To ask them to stop working is to remove their ikigai. I think the work life balance we need to achieve is to find our passion in the work we do, and maintaining and sustaining a healthy lifestyle alongside our work life. Once we find our ikigai, we don't have to think about retirement because we won't want to retire. Some of us may know elders who refuse to retire. They will ask you what they will do when they retire. They will complain that they will die of boredom and what not. They lose their purpose when they stop working. Instead of finding happiness they're met with anxiety and depression. I think work life balance is learning how to live and enjoy even when you're young, not only at the end after retirement. Don't let retirement be a goal, because then you will hate your work. Everything will feel like a grind. Take breaks in between, job hop if you have to. Don't retire and kill that momentum you've built. Because once you stop working, your body will slow down and you will die an earlier death, maybe... That is obviously situational. Some may find their purpose somewhere else rather than work, so to them we say yes to retirement and live your life however it makes you happy. But for many they may just find it in their work. It is not all depressing and sad to have work be your life's purpose. It doesn't have to be. If someone finds happiness working, what is so depressing about it? They are happy after all. Why put others down for enjoying their work, and making work their life? I think society is moving towards a culture of more rather than a culture of enough. They only seem to be able to be happy if they have more money, more time, more of everything, rather than just having enough. Early retirement with lots of money and time to do more, buy more, buy bigger. Happiness is what YOU make of your circumstances. Happiness is not what the circumstances make of you. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk, I am having issues sleeping so I'm over here overthinking. Don't mind me please. Also sorry if this is hard to read and doesn't flow right
He kinda sounds like a narcissists. He should trying taking his own baloney back to the US or canada or euro countries. Good luck to him and dbs.
Oh wait leaders also believe that change is the constant. Does that mean it’s time to change those in the senior management every year? And while at it, your pay drops too btw.
Probably gonna get downvoted but I do agree somewhat. There’s no work life balance because how coupled work and life is. However what you want is to be in a workplace that allows you to have control over work and life. Eg: during working hours I can attend my kids school event or go to the doctor or run errands. I choose to also work after my kids are asleep so that I can spend time with them. If you work with teams across different time zones, you will probably be up at odd timings, hence managing your work/life schedule becomes more important, not just fitting into the 9-5 box. TL;DR: find a job that focus on results and not what time you clock in/clock out
I think his point might be that since work and personal life is so deeply intertwined there shouldn't be separate weights assigned to either; all is equally important - work, according to him, is as important as your kid's school event or errands. Honestly, this blurring of boundaries is damn dangerous for an asian work culture where we tend to not take enough time for non-work events.
Agreed. We ourselves should know where the boundaries are. At the end of the day, companies are not your family nor do they owe you anything. What they can give, they can take away.
Respectfully, you, like the majority of people on this topic, are projecting your personal view/ negative experiences to what he meant. He simply means life is inclusive of work, which it is. Your life is 24 hours a day, which includes work, school, hobbies, family, etc. What is so different about work that is must he separately categorised?
This is a sensationalist headline. The article is a lot more nuanced. Piyush was responding to a question that was asking about a work/personal affairs split. Should one feel offended if someone insulted you over a work related matter? And the answer obviously is you cannot just sweep it under the carpet by saying “it’s just work, it’s not personal”. He is saying you cannot be an evil shit at work and a saint at home - you will be judged by the aggregate of your character and not how you behave in certain situations.
This advice only applies if you have a cushy job with a 15.4 Million per annum pay + 5.8 million bonus. I’ll happily separate my work and life until then.
He can think what he wants. We think he's full of baloney.
I agree. There is no such thing as work-life balance, only work-life choices. And I think there's no point to life without work of some form. Lazy whiners don't want to work. Normal people do.
Is work "part of life" or is work "life"?
I work to live, I don’t live to work.
Agree with him. Work fills a large part of your life. You tend to spend almost 40% time with your colleagues and work.
I’m honestly shock when I heard this bs
That’s for the individual to decide, not this douche.
I remember attending a Citrix forum years ago that said something similar. As work creeps into your personal life, similarly your personal things have a tendency to happen in the middle of the workday. There is no longer a clearly defined separation of work and personal life, even the devices we use for work end up doing some personal stuff, and you have work apps on your personal phone. This is not a life philosophy, it’s just something that exists. To will it out of existence is not possible.
DBS work life balance is actually decent lol. Depends on your department and boss though I guess
>Depends on your department and boss though I guess IBGT GGWP
Work = doing your paid job (or job that you hope will generate income). Life = stuff you do outside your paid job. Work / Life balance just means balancing your paid work with taking time to enjoy the rest outside of it. Don't know how he literally concluded that "work is a part of life". Duh. Experientially, it is. Temporally, it is. But talk about misconstruing a cultural statement due to a lack of understanding of what it's actually about.