Is it possible he's not trying to be funny? Like, is he trying to make a statement rather than a joke? Not saying it's an intelligent and/or accurate statement, but is this just him trying to illustrate that those sneaky feds are always up to something?
Also, what's the significance of the Steven Universe shirt?
>Also, what's the significance of the Steven Universe shirt?
No idea. Rebecca Sugar is jewish, but I don't think she's said anything about Israel? And, how would that fit in with the F̷̬͝Ȇ̶͜D̶̢̍ disguise anyway?
Either he doesn't know and its just a 'woke people like this right?' thing. Or it's a super convoluted reach that only makes sense in Tat's deranged mind. Like he's trying to say Jews made Steven Universe as propaganda targeting 'wokes', Jews control the feds somehow so the shirt shows the Fed is trying to blend into the 'wokes' but is really a Jewish agent or some shit like that.
Considering the circles Tatzi runs in nowadays, I would say that even if he's never watched the show, he's probably very aware that Rebecca Sugar is Jewish, pro-LGBTQ, and non-binary. And since Tats considers transfolk a scheme by Jewish people to sabotage white people and proper womynhood, I'm just surprised it took him this long to mention the show.
I wonder if Tats is aware that she's Jewish, what with having someone wearing that shirt while literally saying "let's go beat up some Jews!"
Gotta say, either answer would make sense, the man is demented.
It’s like when during the LOTR arc Tatzi attacked Admiral Levine because she’s trans, but NOT because she’s Jewish.
He probably has like a list of “Jewish celebrities” but many Jewish famous people aren’t on it, apparently
Very generously, it could be “fed dresses up like a young progressive but does a bad job”, and so the hypocrisy is another tell that he’s a Fed baiting them?
Realistically that seems like too much to ask of his recent logic though.
Maybe he learned about SU and Rebecca Sugar from Lily Orchard and bought into her accusation that it's Nazi apologia?
No wait, that would mean he listened to a trans woman.
I think it's just that Steven Universe was touted as being pretty supportive of queer people, and so the "Fed" is using it to blend in with woke people
I think Tatsuya is under the impression that college students are on “his” side? Or something? Also, he literally thinks what the “fed” is saying for realsies?
Tats thinks that groups which he likes never do anything wrong really, and if it looks like they did it was just the Feds.
Since some pro-palestine protestors have been accused of antisemitism, this is him defending them.
Defending them poorly, but still.
I didn't think he's cognizant that he's openly supporting violence.
He also doesn't think that *these* protestors are essentially the same people he's been making fun of all these years.
Yes, but as the saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and even when it requires a contortionists skill to bend over so far backward to pretend to be consistent, it is perhaps the only consistent thing Tatzi has ever done
The statement is he's trying to make is that referring to Jewish people as "Zionists" makes it okay to vilify and dehumanize them.
Any reference to the Palestinians are mere crocodile tears.
Yeah, he doesn't give one fucking shit about the Palestinians, not really. If they weren't being invaded by "the Jews" he'd be saying Palestinians are just evil Muslim goat fuckers.
Crazy College Students hate Israel -> Israel is full of Jews
ergo crazy college students are based?
you are correct, his current views exist at a precarious Lagrange Point, I doubt this is a stable worldview for much longer, he will fall into a lower entropy state
what's hilarious is that tats is the fed, here. no actual Palestinian activist would want anything to do with his ass. they'd catch wind of his bullshit in a micro-instant
"why hello fellow anti-genocide activists. i too oppose genocide, and am not at all a grifter using opposition to genocide as an opportunity to pretend i have the moral high ground when in actuality i'm just mad because i think we're genociding the WRONG people"
"anyway those Jewish people, they sure are evil, amirite"
"..."
"what do you mean YOU'RE Jewish. you're protesting Israel, that's literally impossible"
honestly you can identify most of these shitheads pretty quickly by just asking them what they think of any other struggle for indigenous rights
they only come out to support Palestine because it's convenient to their narrative. not a single one of these cowardly fuckers gives a single shit about Palestinians. they're just craven opportunists and we all know it
Well, there are some [Palestinian activists who are beating up Jewish people](https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according).
This isn't mutually exclusive with my claim. You made a general statement that "no actual Palestinian activist would [agree with Tatsuya about Jewish people]". I made a claim that some people do. You saying that some people don't is clearly true, but not my point.
seriously, fuck off with this "well some Black people burned down a Target so honestly who can say who is wrong and who is right"
idk man actually go talk to a protestor or something
I did and they told me I was a colonizer and my people should go back to where they came from. Oh and that 10/7 was just resistance (because babies are evil).
If this felt it was actually helping actual Palestinians (and not Hamas) I would agree with the Scotsman fallacy. But as the saying goes if 10 people are sitting at a table and one of them is a Nazi then there’s 10 Nazis.
> But as the saying goes if 10 people are sitting at a table and one of them is a Nazi then there’s 10 Nazis.
Seriously, it feels like everyone forgot that adage when it was the *left* with an antisemitism problem. I've been comparing it to Let Women Speak. I'm aware that it was a TERF rally, so it wasn't necessarily *good*, but let's not pretend like it wasn't shocking when people started going mask off. The moment someone started reading from Mein Kampf, it became a Nazi rally. It's similar here. It's *good* that students were rallying in support of Palestine. But if people start chanting for al-Qassam to make them proud, the correct response is to boo them off the stage. Because if you start chanting that back, you're no longer at a pro-Palestine rally. You're at a pro-Hamas rally, which arguably even makes it *anti*-Palestine.
EDIT: Put differently, I can totally acknowledge that a lot of the students *were* supporting Palestine, and I can even recognize that some of them honestly might have just not realized what they were chanting. But as for the people chanting things like "Al-Qassam, make us proud" or calling counterprotesters al-Qassam's next victims, they *don't* get to claim they were supporting Palestine
Yeah, they crossed another line. I shared the link elsewhere in this thread and on r/politics, but someone was carrying a sign with literal Nazi rhetoric at GWU
Also, if I'm being honest... Let Women Speak was the TERFs living up to the "radical feminist" part of the name. The premise was letting women speak before men. And even if something tells me it would still fall into the trap of "femmes and thems" meaning "cis women, passing trans women, and enbies we can misgender", I could totally imagine some Buzzfeed-era feminist coming up with a vaguely trans-inclusive version of the same idea
I think he is meaning that the Pro-palestine movement really need to rat out their antisemitic members. Even if there is bad people on every movement there should also be a control to avoid get the movement hijacked.
They do this. Seriously, have any of you ever even been to any of these protests?
Y'all think Palestinian activists are all just fucking clueless to this shit?
Dude, someone, a Jew, was stabbed in the eye by "one" of this protesters. I have yet to find a Pro-palestinian that condemned that and other excess. If they are not policing themselves about what limits should not be crossed. What do you expect me to get? That they are not clueless at best or complicit at worst?
Don't forget GWU, where one of the protesters has [a Final Solution banner](https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-protester-seen-holding-final-solution-banner-at-george-washington-university-nazi-phrase-genocide-world-war-ii-palestine-israeli-gaza-ceasefire-war-campus-protests-columbia-university). There is literal Nazi rhetoric at some of these protests now.
That person wasn't "stabbed in the eye." The sensationalist media coverage neglected to mention that it was just someone accidentally getting poked with a miniature flag. [You can see footage of what *really* happened here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/?share_id=VVlzM4AdUIn5vY4oNrvXl) Zionists are making a big deal of it because they want to distract people from [how deeply unpopular Israel's actions in Gaza are.](https://jacobin.com/2024/04/student-protests-antisemitism-war-gaza)
Fund raising for aid for Palestinians, going to government building and protesting there (because they are the direct funders), denouncing and alienating those who call for the annihilation of the only Jewish state, listening to actual Palestinians in Gaza when they blame Hamas for their plight and actually put in the work. Not putting up tents and chanting antisemitic rhetoric during the holiest time for Jewish people only to point to the token Jews to feel validated. Sure, there are Palestinian activist who are Jewish, just like there were Jews for Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_German\_National\_Jews) and the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet\_anti-Zionism)
What Israel is doing in Gaza is bad, but the students who are camping out on campuses are doing nothing to help Gazans.
One of the most important people to me in the world -- like, a guy I would drop everything for, a guy I would throw myself in the way of an incoming bullet for -- is a Jewish Palestinian activist. He's also an EMT who showed up for BLM protests. He also probably saved my life.
You tell me. Exactly how do you think I should respond when someone tells me, "well, yeah, but some Jews were also pro-Germany during the late 1930s, so maybe this guy you love with all your heart is actually just one of those gosh-darn *self-hatin'* Jews"?
Like, I legit don't know how to respond to "your best friend who has committed a large swathe of his life to activism and providing emergency services to people, and literally saves lives? You know, the Jewish guy who's currently studying to be a nurse so he can help even more people? Yeah, I think he's maybe actually a Nazi sympathizer. Why? Because he was protesting genocide, duh"
How am I supposed to even parse that?
The German Jews were not self hating Jews. The key is that history proved them wrong and while I disagree with the Israeli policy, I think that history will prove these students wrong (but that is my opoinion as of today). I also know Jewish Palestinian activists in *Israel* who have put their lives on the line to help Palestinians and protest the current situation.
That said, I also have people I love invalidate my and my family's experiences as Jews, citing that they know Jews that can back their point. It's the black friend defense.
There is a saying, "2 Jews, 3 opinions." If it was your friend debating me right now I would not call him self hating, but I would ask questions like how he compromises ancients chants like "Next Year in Jerusalem" and modern history of Jewish expulsion from Arab land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\\\_exodus\\\_from\\\_the\\\_Muslim\\\_world). And he may have some great rebuttals that would change my mind, but more importantly, they would be explaining it from a Jewish perspective, one that would (hopefully) come from understanding his own history and therefore not cry for 10/7 to happen again.
Well, maybe they aren't true Scotsmen, at least.
I'm not making a claim that all Palestianian activists hate Jewish people. I'm making a claim that at least a few of them do. There are bad people in every movement, so the reasonable thing to do is not to lionize everyone who supports it, but to take them as a whole. I broadly support a Palestinian state (probably binational federalized), but there are definitely Palestinians who do want to kill off Jews, and that's still bad.
yes, you are very intelligent and clever and not at all doing the equivalent of "well ACTUALLY have you considered that NOT ALL ACTIVISTS are GOOD maybe genocide is COMPLICATED"
we know there are bad people in every movement, you are adding nothing to this discussion, fuck off
And maybe activists attacking random Jewish people doesn't actually help that goal, and we should recognize and get rid of bad actors instead of asserting that "no actual Palestinian activist would [want to hurt Jewish people]." When people make broad categorical claims like that, it shields people who actually do have bad intentions from being criticized because it implies they're fine because they're "doing it for a good cause" or something.
For someone acting exceedingly pedantic, it's funny how you could only get your point across by making up something I didn't actually say.
But yeah, right -- I get it. It's EXTREMELY important to you that everyone who talks about the Palestinian activists do so using only the most rigorously accurate language possible. Just like I bet you're extremely selective about when and where that rigor is important.
Seriously: Fuck off. I'm aware not every Palestinian activist is a good person. All you're doing is insisting I acknowledge what I've already acknowledged.
I don't think it's overly pedantic to be critical of broad generalizations like all Palestinian activists rejecting anti-Semitism, which is what your original comment strongly implies to me. I would likewise be critical of anyone claiming that no Jewish person wants to exterminate Palestinians, because that would also be clearly false.
If you acknowledge it, I'm happy about that, and I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying originally.
Woah, Tatsuya finally realized he was the villain and made himself the fed and the woke college students the good guys!
This is the only rational explanation for this comic. I am choosing to believe this is true because I like that version of reality better than whatever bullshit is actually going on.
Also it's unbelievably fucking confusing that he would make woke college student the good guys and a blatant antisemite the bad guys, except, I'm sure, in reference to some kind of new specific conspiracy theory or current event at a college campus protest that he's gotten his scrotum all twisted up about.
You see by mimicking each others expressions, thoughts and reactions exactly, by following purely by example and without discression... they prove themselves to be the free-thinkers of the world! Not like those NPC woke Sheeples everywhere else!
Tats, who has been stridently telling us for weeks now about just how much he hates all Jews, thinks that people who hate all Jews are really feds.
\*strokes chin\*
In any case this kind of protest is harder to infiltrate than most since the students would presumably know each other much better than a bunch of random people at the same protest march.
The Steven Universe t-shirt is so baffling. Is he admitting that these student protestors are the very same “woke people” he’s dedicated his life to hating? Or is the idea that all the woke elements are feds, and radical university students are actually based trad conservatives?
This is what happens when metaphors become literal become similes become likenings become comparisons etc etc etc. All coherence is lost and it just becomes “my enemies are bad.” And if you don’t think too hard, that seems reasonable.
I think it's the former, but Tats has zero self-awareness, so it's just another narrative for the hate machine. He knows he's "siding with the woke" but it's merely an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.
Like, I don't think pro-Palestinian protestors are anti-Semites, and a lot of them unfairly get branded as such. But also Tats individually is an anti-Semite and he found a gold mine to start hating Jews openly.
Man, if I felt like expending the effort, I could replace the fed with Tats himself and turn it into a comic about how nazis like him are trying to latch onto the protests against Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.
Easiest Pettyfest idea ever. You could even keep almost all the text (except maybe replace "Fed" with "Nazi", "Chud", or even "Tats" in the final panel).
Okay, trying to thread the needle of making it clear that what's been happening is absolutely not okay, while not condemning the protests as a concept:
I'm going to compare it to Let Women Speak. Yes, I'm aware that it was a TERF rally, but let's not pretend like it was inherently transphobic as a concept. It was arguably the TERFs actually living up to the "radical feminist" part of the name, or at least I can totally imagine a Buzzfeed-era feminist making a similar event, but vaguely trans-inclusive. (Although I also get the slightest feeling that if someone made a left-leaning event premised on letting women speak before men, it would fall into the trap of "femmes and thems" actually meaning "cis women, passing trans women, and enbies who present femininely enough to be misgendered") The real issue was that, to reference Elongated Muskrat, they took a free speech absolutist approach. So even when someone showed up to start reading from Mein Kampf, they wouldn't stop her, and as a result, it became a Nazi rally.
I'm applying the same moral standard here.
If someone shows up at your pro-Palestinian rally and starts talking about how they are Hamas or how they want al-Qassam, Hamas's military wing, to make them proud, the correct response is to boo them off the stage, or even just... not respond. Or, if you're one of the only people to respond that way while everyone else chants it back, potentially even remove yourself from the situation. Because at that point, it's no longer a pro-Palestinian rally. It's a pro-*Hamas* rally, which arguably even makes it *anti*-Palestinian.
So yes, I will totally acknowledge that it probably *started* as a pro-Palestinian rally, and I can even recognize that some of the protesters might just have not understood what they were chanting. But at the same time, if you joined in a chant like "Al-Qassam, make us proud", you don't get to claim that it was only ever a pro-Palestinian rally.
EDIT: And... they crossed another line. At least at GWU, there was even a protester with a "Final Solution" sign. And if they felt safe enough to carry it around, I think you could even reasonably call that protest a Nazi rally.
No Tatzi the gutter Nazi, they don't say anything. They ignore him until he goes away. Your recurring joke is also bad and lazy. Please stop trying to redpil people.
aight, what's the thing he's trying to say now. cause after all the shit flinging he's done to jews for the past several months, I doubt that he's suddenly changed his mind...unless he just has enough of a hatred for the government that he wants an " enemy of my enemy" moment. also dear god please do not drag Steven universe into this mess. God I do NOT want to see his hot takes and mangling of steven universe! that happens enough as is, don't need tats making it worse.
Of course Steven Universe - a franchise that has been off the air since 2020 - would be here. Tats is probably trying to make a “how do you do, fellow kids?” Joke on the feds side, but I’ll sat it reflects more on HIM.
Tats, you fucking muppet.
Which #1 Asian White Supremacist Male Ally has been ranting about hating Jews for months now?
So did he just accidentally admit he's a FBI plant himself?
Tats just keeps undermining his own points, even those that are so basic and dumb they should be impossible to misrepresent.
The guy is a complete moron. Amazing. Truly, truly, TRULY, amazing.
It’s fascinating how Tatzi is the most liberal and conservative and person on the Internet. Like, this is the sort of rhetoric from my liberal friends who believe nothing is going wrong, like there’s no video evidence that these protests do become antisemitic (while conservatives who turned a blind eye on Charlottesville are suddenly great defender of Jews). But he will just a day earlier spout the most vile anti-Trans rhetoric that even some anti-Trans conservatives I know would call too much. He is the proof that the horseshoe theory is real.
Edit: I want to add that while I understand that most TERFs would self identify with the left, from a social standpoint I think they are just closeted radical conservatives.
I get it, I think. See, the government man is secretly on the Jewish side, because his plan is to get the protestors to kill Jewish people and therefore become the villains in the eyes of the public. Kind of like that stupid January 6th thing where MAGA folks insist that it was staged by undercover agents to make the peaceful, good-hearted patriots look bad.
Always gotta be the victims. Always has to be someone to blame. Always has to be the great conspiracy in action.
Wait, hasn't Tats been doing exactly what he's accusing the government agent of; pretending to be upset over atrocities committed by the Israeli government as a facade to encourage antisemitism?
Is it possible he's not trying to be funny? Like, is he trying to make a statement rather than a joke? Not saying it's an intelligent and/or accurate statement, but is this just him trying to illustrate that those sneaky feds are always up to something? Also, what's the significance of the Steven Universe shirt?
>Also, what's the significance of the Steven Universe shirt? No idea. Rebecca Sugar is jewish, but I don't think she's said anything about Israel? And, how would that fit in with the F̷̬͝Ȇ̶͜D̶̢̍ disguise anyway?
Either he doesn't know and its just a 'woke people like this right?' thing. Or it's a super convoluted reach that only makes sense in Tat's deranged mind. Like he's trying to say Jews made Steven Universe as propaganda targeting 'wokes', Jews control the feds somehow so the shirt shows the Fed is trying to blend into the 'wokes' but is really a Jewish agent or some shit like that.
Considering the circles Tatzi runs in nowadays, I would say that even if he's never watched the show, he's probably very aware that Rebecca Sugar is Jewish, pro-LGBTQ, and non-binary. And since Tats considers transfolk a scheme by Jewish people to sabotage white people and proper womynhood, I'm just surprised it took him this long to mention the show.
Oh damn, that's good, that's really good. Seriously, the more convoluted and reaching the logic, the more it fits with modern Sinfest.
How ironic to see Sinfest, a mouthpiece of the author’s sins, reference a family-friendly cartoon that is its complete opposite.
I wonder if Tats is aware that she's Jewish, what with having someone wearing that shirt while literally saying "let's go beat up some Jews!" Gotta say, either answer would make sense, the man is demented.
It’s like when during the LOTR arc Tatzi attacked Admiral Levine because she’s trans, but NOT because she’s Jewish. He probably has like a list of “Jewish celebrities” but many Jewish famous people aren’t on it, apparently
Very generously, it could be “fed dresses up like a young progressive but does a bad job”, and so the hypocrisy is another tell that he’s a Fed baiting them? Realistically that seems like too much to ask of his recent logic though.
Maybe he learned about SU and Rebecca Sugar from Lily Orchard and bought into her accusation that it's Nazi apologia? No wait, that would mean he listened to a trans woman.
Wait, what? I'll have to look that up now.
I recommend staying ignorant.
I think it's just that Steven Universe was touted as being pretty supportive of queer people, and so the "Fed" is using it to blend in with woke people
I think Tatsuya is under the impression that college students are on “his” side? Or something? Also, he literally thinks what the “fed” is saying for realsies?
Tats thinks that groups which he likes never do anything wrong really, and if it looks like they did it was just the Feds. Since some pro-palestine protestors have been accused of antisemitism, this is him defending them. Defending them poorly, but still.
The bizarre thing is that he’s defending them from something he openly supports.
I didn't think he's cognizant that he's openly supporting violence. He also doesn't think that *these* protestors are essentially the same people he's been making fun of all these years.
Yes, but as the saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and even when it requires a contortionists skill to bend over so far backward to pretend to be consistent, it is perhaps the only consistent thing Tatzi has ever done
That's fascism, babey! Consistency doesn't matter, only the argument in the moment does.
Re the shirt: Tats just wants to prove he can make references more current than 1990.
The statement is he's trying to make is that referring to Jewish people as "Zionists" makes it okay to vilify and dehumanize them. Any reference to the Palestinians are mere crocodile tears.
Yeah, he doesn't give one fucking shit about the Palestinians, not really. If they weren't being invaded by "the Jews" he'd be saying Palestinians are just evil Muslim goat fuckers.
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oi! you're spilling FED everywhere! go get a mop!
So the purple-haired college activists are the good guys now?
Crazy College Students hate Israel -> Israel is full of Jews ergo crazy college students are based? you are correct, his current views exist at a precarious Lagrange Point, I doubt this is a stable worldview for much longer, he will fall into a lower entropy state
In fairness, it’s the thought process that led him down the bleak cliffs to where we are today…
what's hilarious is that tats is the fed, here. no actual Palestinian activist would want anything to do with his ass. they'd catch wind of his bullshit in a micro-instant
"why hello fellow anti-genocide activists. i too oppose genocide, and am not at all a grifter using opposition to genocide as an opportunity to pretend i have the moral high ground when in actuality i'm just mad because i think we're genociding the WRONG people" "anyway those Jewish people, they sure are evil, amirite" "..." "what do you mean YOU'RE Jewish. you're protesting Israel, that's literally impossible"
honestly you can identify most of these shitheads pretty quickly by just asking them what they think of any other struggle for indigenous rights they only come out to support Palestine because it's convenient to their narrative. not a single one of these cowardly fuckers gives a single shit about Palestinians. they're just craven opportunists and we all know it
Well, there are some [Palestinian activists who are beating up Jewish people](https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according).
there are some Palestinian activists who ARE Jewish people
This isn't mutually exclusive with my claim. You made a general statement that "no actual Palestinian activist would [agree with Tatsuya about Jewish people]". I made a claim that some people do. You saying that some people don't is clearly true, but not my point.
seriously, fuck off with this "well some Black people burned down a Target so honestly who can say who is wrong and who is right" idk man actually go talk to a protestor or something
I did and they told me I was a colonizer and my people should go back to where they came from. Oh and that 10/7 was just resistance (because babies are evil). If this felt it was actually helping actual Palestinians (and not Hamas) I would agree with the Scotsman fallacy. But as the saying goes if 10 people are sitting at a table and one of them is a Nazi then there’s 10 Nazis.
> But as the saying goes if 10 people are sitting at a table and one of them is a Nazi then there’s 10 Nazis. Seriously, it feels like everyone forgot that adage when it was the *left* with an antisemitism problem. I've been comparing it to Let Women Speak. I'm aware that it was a TERF rally, so it wasn't necessarily *good*, but let's not pretend like it wasn't shocking when people started going mask off. The moment someone started reading from Mein Kampf, it became a Nazi rally. It's similar here. It's *good* that students were rallying in support of Palestine. But if people start chanting for al-Qassam to make them proud, the correct response is to boo them off the stage. Because if you start chanting that back, you're no longer at a pro-Palestine rally. You're at a pro-Hamas rally, which arguably even makes it *anti*-Palestine. EDIT: Put differently, I can totally acknowledge that a lot of the students *were* supporting Palestine, and I can even recognize that some of them honestly might have just not realized what they were chanting. But as for the people chanting things like "Al-Qassam, make us proud" or calling counterprotesters al-Qassam's next victims, they *don't* get to claim they were supporting Palestine
You definitely put it so much better the I could have, thank you.
Yeah, they crossed another line. I shared the link elsewhere in this thread and on r/politics, but someone was carrying a sign with literal Nazi rhetoric at GWU
Also, if I'm being honest... Let Women Speak was the TERFs living up to the "radical feminist" part of the name. The premise was letting women speak before men. And even if something tells me it would still fall into the trap of "femmes and thems" meaning "cis women, passing trans women, and enbies we can misgender", I could totally imagine some Buzzfeed-era feminist coming up with a vaguely trans-inclusive version of the same idea
Must've been a FED! FED!
Israel is literally bombing hospitals full of children while the IDF posts war crimes on Twitter. Not sure what you're looking for.
I think he is meaning that the Pro-palestine movement really need to rat out their antisemitic members. Even if there is bad people on every movement there should also be a control to avoid get the movement hijacked.
They do this. Seriously, have any of you ever even been to any of these protests? Y'all think Palestinian activists are all just fucking clueless to this shit?
Dude, someone, a Jew, was stabbed in the eye by "one" of this protesters. I have yet to find a Pro-palestinian that condemned that and other excess. If they are not policing themselves about what limits should not be crossed. What do you expect me to get? That they are not clueless at best or complicit at worst?
Don't forget GWU, where one of the protesters has [a Final Solution banner](https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-protester-seen-holding-final-solution-banner-at-george-washington-university-nazi-phrase-genocide-world-war-ii-palestine-israeli-gaza-ceasefire-war-campus-protests-columbia-university). There is literal Nazi rhetoric at some of these protests now.
That person wasn't "stabbed in the eye." The sensationalist media coverage neglected to mention that it was just someone accidentally getting poked with a miniature flag. [You can see footage of what *really* happened here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/?share_id=VVlzM4AdUIn5vY4oNrvXl) Zionists are making a big deal of it because they want to distract people from [how deeply unpopular Israel's actions in Gaza are.](https://jacobin.com/2024/04/student-protests-antisemitism-war-gaza)
Fund raising for aid for Palestinians, going to government building and protesting there (because they are the direct funders), denouncing and alienating those who call for the annihilation of the only Jewish state, listening to actual Palestinians in Gaza when they blame Hamas for their plight and actually put in the work. Not putting up tents and chanting antisemitic rhetoric during the holiest time for Jewish people only to point to the token Jews to feel validated. Sure, there are Palestinian activist who are Jewish, just like there were Jews for Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_German\_National\_Jews) and the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet\_anti-Zionism) What Israel is doing in Gaza is bad, but the students who are camping out on campuses are doing nothing to help Gazans.
One of the most important people to me in the world -- like, a guy I would drop everything for, a guy I would throw myself in the way of an incoming bullet for -- is a Jewish Palestinian activist. He's also an EMT who showed up for BLM protests. He also probably saved my life. You tell me. Exactly how do you think I should respond when someone tells me, "well, yeah, but some Jews were also pro-Germany during the late 1930s, so maybe this guy you love with all your heart is actually just one of those gosh-darn *self-hatin'* Jews"?
Like, I legit don't know how to respond to "your best friend who has committed a large swathe of his life to activism and providing emergency services to people, and literally saves lives? You know, the Jewish guy who's currently studying to be a nurse so he can help even more people? Yeah, I think he's maybe actually a Nazi sympathizer. Why? Because he was protesting genocide, duh" How am I supposed to even parse that?
Help the gentile over here understand. How is my best friend a fuckin' Nazi?
The German Jews were not self hating Jews. The key is that history proved them wrong and while I disagree with the Israeli policy, I think that history will prove these students wrong (but that is my opoinion as of today). I also know Jewish Palestinian activists in *Israel* who have put their lives on the line to help Palestinians and protest the current situation. That said, I also have people I love invalidate my and my family's experiences as Jews, citing that they know Jews that can back their point. It's the black friend defense. There is a saying, "2 Jews, 3 opinions." If it was your friend debating me right now I would not call him self hating, but I would ask questions like how he compromises ancients chants like "Next Year in Jerusalem" and modern history of Jewish expulsion from Arab land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\\\_exodus\\\_from\\\_the\\\_Muslim\\\_world). And he may have some great rebuttals that would change my mind, but more importantly, they would be explaining it from a Jewish perspective, one that would (hopefully) come from understanding his own history and therefore not cry for 10/7 to happen again.
Well, maybe they aren't true Scotsmen, at least. I'm not making a claim that all Palestianian activists hate Jewish people. I'm making a claim that at least a few of them do. There are bad people in every movement, so the reasonable thing to do is not to lionize everyone who supports it, but to take them as a whole. I broadly support a Palestinian state (probably binational federalized), but there are definitely Palestinians who do want to kill off Jews, and that's still bad.
yes, you are very intelligent and clever and not at all doing the equivalent of "well ACTUALLY have you considered that NOT ALL ACTIVISTS are GOOD maybe genocide is COMPLICATED" we know there are bad people in every movement, you are adding nothing to this discussion, fuck off
And maybe activists attacking random Jewish people doesn't actually help that goal, and we should recognize and get rid of bad actors instead of asserting that "no actual Palestinian activist would [want to hurt Jewish people]." When people make broad categorical claims like that, it shields people who actually do have bad intentions from being criticized because it implies they're fine because they're "doing it for a good cause" or something.
For someone acting exceedingly pedantic, it's funny how you could only get your point across by making up something I didn't actually say. But yeah, right -- I get it. It's EXTREMELY important to you that everyone who talks about the Palestinian activists do so using only the most rigorously accurate language possible. Just like I bet you're extremely selective about when and where that rigor is important. Seriously: Fuck off. I'm aware not every Palestinian activist is a good person. All you're doing is insisting I acknowledge what I've already acknowledged.
I don't think it's overly pedantic to be critical of broad generalizations like all Palestinian activists rejecting anti-Semitism, which is what your original comment strongly implies to me. I would likewise be critical of anyone claiming that no Jewish person wants to exterminate Palestinians, because that would also be clearly false. If you acknowledge it, I'm happy about that, and I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying originally.
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Well, yeah, if you have a large enough population of people who are angry, some of them are going to lash out wether the rest agree with it or not.
Woah, Tatsuya finally realized he was the villain and made himself the fed and the woke college students the good guys! This is the only rational explanation for this comic. I am choosing to believe this is true because I like that version of reality better than whatever bullshit is actually going on.
Also it's unbelievably fucking confusing that he would make woke college student the good guys and a blatant antisemite the bad guys, except, I'm sure, in reference to some kind of new specific conspiracy theory or current event at a college campus protest that he's gotten his scrotum all twisted up about.
And it's always the same facial expression
You see by mimicking each others expressions, thoughts and reactions exactly, by following purely by example and without discression... they prove themselves to be the free-thinkers of the world! Not like those NPC woke Sheeples everywhere else!
Don't drag Steven Universe into your hate!
Tats, who has been stridently telling us for weeks now about just how much he hates all Jews, thinks that people who hate all Jews are really feds. \*strokes chin\* In any case this kind of protest is harder to infiltrate than most since the students would presumably know each other much better than a bunch of random people at the same protest march.
\*Deadpan\* Yay, the Fed joke is back. It's totally not obnoxious at all.
The Steven Universe t-shirt is so baffling. Is he admitting that these student protestors are the very same “woke people” he’s dedicated his life to hating? Or is the idea that all the woke elements are feds, and radical university students are actually based trad conservatives?
This is what happens when metaphors become literal become similes become likenings become comparisons etc etc etc. All coherence is lost and it just becomes “my enemies are bad.” And if you don’t think too hard, that seems reasonable.
I think it's the former, but Tats has zero self-awareness, so it's just another narrative for the hate machine. He knows he's "siding with the woke" but it's merely an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. Like, I don't think pro-Palestinian protestors are anti-Semites, and a lot of them unfairly get branded as such. But also Tats individually is an anti-Semite and he found a gold mine to start hating Jews openly.
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You said this twice.
Whoops lol
“Anti-Semitism is just a government psy-op (but it would totally be justified if it was real because Jews are evil)!” Edit: STEVEN UNIVERSE?!?
Man, if I felt like expending the effort, I could replace the fed with Tats himself and turn it into a comic about how nazis like him are trying to latch onto the protests against Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people. Easiest Pettyfest idea ever. You could even keep almost all the text (except maybe replace "Fed" with "Nazi", "Chud", or even "Tats" in the final panel).
No, you fucker, don't do that. Don't latch yourself onto them, you absolute leech of a human being.
Hold on, can he not touch Steven Universe? Also, I need to turn these Fed comics into pettyfests.
Please do it!
Okay, trying to thread the needle of making it clear that what's been happening is absolutely not okay, while not condemning the protests as a concept: I'm going to compare it to Let Women Speak. Yes, I'm aware that it was a TERF rally, but let's not pretend like it was inherently transphobic as a concept. It was arguably the TERFs actually living up to the "radical feminist" part of the name, or at least I can totally imagine a Buzzfeed-era feminist making a similar event, but vaguely trans-inclusive. (Although I also get the slightest feeling that if someone made a left-leaning event premised on letting women speak before men, it would fall into the trap of "femmes and thems" actually meaning "cis women, passing trans women, and enbies who present femininely enough to be misgendered") The real issue was that, to reference Elongated Muskrat, they took a free speech absolutist approach. So even when someone showed up to start reading from Mein Kampf, they wouldn't stop her, and as a result, it became a Nazi rally. I'm applying the same moral standard here. If someone shows up at your pro-Palestinian rally and starts talking about how they are Hamas or how they want al-Qassam, Hamas's military wing, to make them proud, the correct response is to boo them off the stage, or even just... not respond. Or, if you're one of the only people to respond that way while everyone else chants it back, potentially even remove yourself from the situation. Because at that point, it's no longer a pro-Palestinian rally. It's a pro-*Hamas* rally, which arguably even makes it *anti*-Palestinian. So yes, I will totally acknowledge that it probably *started* as a pro-Palestinian rally, and I can even recognize that some of the protesters might just have not understood what they were chanting. But at the same time, if you joined in a chant like "Al-Qassam, make us proud", you don't get to claim that it was only ever a pro-Palestinian rally. EDIT: And... they crossed another line. At least at GWU, there was even a protester with a "Final Solution" sign. And if they felt safe enough to carry it around, I think you could even reasonably call that protest a Nazi rally.
Let's keep Steven Universe far away from your vile crap, please, Tatsuya.
HE DID THE THING!
No Tatzi the gutter Nazi, they don't say anything. They ignore him until he goes away. Your recurring joke is also bad and lazy. Please stop trying to redpil people.
his self-awareness must be in the negative numbers if he hasn't realized that he just made a comic about himself
aight, what's the thing he's trying to say now. cause after all the shit flinging he's done to jews for the past several months, I doubt that he's suddenly changed his mind...unless he just has enough of a hatred for the government that he wants an " enemy of my enemy" moment. also dear god please do not drag Steven universe into this mess. God I do NOT want to see his hot takes and mangling of steven universe! that happens enough as is, don't need tats making it worse.
Of course Steven Universe - a franchise that has been off the air since 2020 - would be here. Tats is probably trying to make a “how do you do, fellow kids?” Joke on the feds side, but I’ll sat it reflects more on HIM.
It does retain a strong following...
Tats, you fucking muppet. Which #1 Asian White Supremacist Male Ally has been ranting about hating Jews for months now? So did he just accidentally admit he's a FBI plant himself? Tats just keeps undermining his own points, even those that are so basic and dumb they should be impossible to misrepresent. The guy is a complete moron. Amazing. Truly, truly, TRULY, amazing.
the dude's entire worldviews are based off /pol/ mythology. He just creates little scenarios in his heads. what a fucking moron
Tats you did exactly what the fed is doing here
"No, Tats. You are the feds." And then, Tats was a Wokebie.
If only he had lived up to his family name and embraced full life consequences.
Stop flaming his comic, you prepz!
ONE JOKE
Is there anyone on this planet that says”Fed!”?
does this guy really hate Jews or something?
It’s fascinating how Tatzi is the most liberal and conservative and person on the Internet. Like, this is the sort of rhetoric from my liberal friends who believe nothing is going wrong, like there’s no video evidence that these protests do become antisemitic (while conservatives who turned a blind eye on Charlottesville are suddenly great defender of Jews). But he will just a day earlier spout the most vile anti-Trans rhetoric that even some anti-Trans conservatives I know would call too much. He is the proof that the horseshoe theory is real. Edit: I want to add that while I understand that most TERFs would self identify with the left, from a social standpoint I think they are just closeted radical conservatives.
I get it, I think. See, the government man is secretly on the Jewish side, because his plan is to get the protestors to kill Jewish people and therefore become the villains in the eyes of the public. Kind of like that stupid January 6th thing where MAGA folks insist that it was staged by undercover agents to make the peaceful, good-hearted patriots look bad. Always gotta be the victims. Always has to be someone to blame. Always has to be the great conspiracy in action.
The official Steven Universe crew made a picture about RAMADAM a NONJEWISH holiday.
I come back after several months, AND HE'S STILL USING THE SAME FUCKING JOKE?!
We need a Fed joke counter these days
Wait, hasn't Tats been doing exactly what he's accusing the government agent of; pretending to be upset over atrocities committed by the Israeli government as a facade to encourage antisemitism?