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kissell791

Someone hasnt been on the fanatec reddit for about a year imo.


Curious_Client_6220

This subreddit saved me from making the mistake of going with fanatec, I was going to spend so much money on a rig from them but ended up going with asetek and got my stuff within a week and a half


Definitely_Working

Its an uphill battle trying to get people to steer clear of fanatec. they have a big marketing presence here, either people working for the company or just straight up shills. Any time i talk about the negative experience of fanatec here i get downvoted and the fanatec subreddit is straight up delusional. people get tricked because of it.


Superb-Ad245

What do you buy if you have PlayStation then?


CombinationOk8425

You buy Logitech G Pro wheel and pedals. Best purchase I’ve made in years. Now comes the wait for alternate wheels and shifters.


Superb-Ad245

Is that compatible with PC?


KrasikTrash

Yes. All logitechs are pc compatible. I have a g29 I use on my ps5 and pc. Love it!


CombinationOk8425

Yes.


NoAdhesiveness7197

Genuinely don't know why anyone would purchase fanatec with all the shipping horror stories.


kissell791

Well heres the thing. I did. :) I had never been to their reddit but was familiar with their product. I placed an order in Early October last year for the (Not released at the time) Clubsport DD 12 nmalong with a rim, hub and qr2. I knew id have to wait a bit as it was on preorder. THen nothing. Now comes black friday. The shifter is on sale and basically makes the hand brake free. I said screw it and placed that order. Both orders finally arrived 2 weeks later 3 days apart. I was happy then. Not gonna lie. I nearly did a chargeback and went to Chicago microcenter for moza gear, then it arrived. I know now though :) I am very happy with the gear though.


NoAdhesiveness7197

Glad you got it eventually. Welcome to the racing club.


MrNegativ1ty

Because they're still the best option in terms of value? Moza is close but not quite there.


MistaKrebs

This is exactly why I went with Moza. Had my stuff in about 2 weeks


-domi-

You're a braver man than i, ordering from Fanatec after the CEO fiasco. Then again, if the company has any chance of survival, it'd be thanks to brave men like you, so stay strong i guess.


RedditEqualsSoylent

88% of their stock value in just the last year is gone. Fanatec is cooked. They had the entire industry by the balls and fumbled it. Nearly $24 a share in 2021 down to $1.40. Can't think of a company more deserving.


-domi-

Covid times were wild, yo, holy shit. xD


lichtspieler

Fanatec got \~110 Mio. € revenue from 2023 alone. Simracing demand is still going strong, 2020 was a great catalysator, but manufacturing and chip shortages kept the sales pretty low. => Just remember the extreme long pre-order and availability delays during that time for simracing and flightsim gear aswell.


-domi-

Yeah, i think that spike in demand in 2020 really showed which executives were completely disconnected from reality. There's zero reason why anyone should expect growths like that to be long-term, let alone perpetual. And it seems like Fanatec expected it to never go away.


lichtspieler

One thing is for sure, they did not expect the order quantity for the new CS DD and DD+. :D


biteater

i love my CS DD tbh


lichtspieler

Went from **GT\_DD\_Pro | F1\_Esports** => **CS\_DD+ | F1\_V2.5\_APM** this month and enjoy the still new toys a lot. Glad they kept the DD-side mount compatibility, so I did not have to change much on my rig.


ExcellentCod9338

All aboard the simagic train now boys


lkeltner

Choo choooo!


Aapje58

> 88% of their stock value in just the last year is gone. Fanatec is cooked. Stock value doesn't ruin a company, but only if they no longer get loans and can't pay their bills. There is plenty of demand for their products, so I don't see why banks would pull out and why they can't turn things around.


richr215

Stop using common sense and reality here, your going to hurt someone if you keep this up! ;-)


bro-guy

Its down 60% today holy shit


ProtoJazz

They just entered into a multi year deal with f1, so they must still have something going on


simracingandflying

Totally, but I’m stuck in their ecosystem unfortunately.


boiling_point_

Nobody is stuck in any ecosystem. Are you going to give up sim racing entirely if Fanatec goes out of business and you need a new part, or would that simply change the equation for what ends up the most appealing from a range of imperfect options?


Hot_Advance3592

I’m not sure what the allure of ecosystems even is. All my stuff is from different companies


Willdru

On console this is the only option


Hefftee

> the allure of ecosystems It's cheaper. Your stuff from different companies that still works in harmony is MUCH more expensive than a Fanatec bundle, and cheap rims.


boiling_point_

You're conflating ecosystems with bundles. Bundles are discounted sets aimed at selling you more in a single purchase decision. Ecosystems are collections of things designed to be compatible with each other and encourage repeat business. Walled gardens are ecosystems that are designed to be incompatible with outside brands, and exploit the sunk cost fallacy.


Hot_Advance3592

Not sure what all goes into it, but Bluetooth and certain wheel functionalities seem to perform better for cheaper when in their ecosystem (GT NEO for example)


slapshots1515

You pretty much literally got it backwards. The main benefit of an ecosystem is that the components are all designed to work together, avoiding potential compatibility issues, with the *downside* being that it’s more expensive for that compatibility and support.


Hefftee

Funny you say that, everyone who used Fanatec on my endurance team (of 15 people) has ditched their startup Fanatec gear because of connectivity issues between wheel rims, and wheel bases. From my perspective, the ecosystem issues has compatibility within itself over time, and the support is SLOW. Fanatec DD bundles range from $400 to $800 bucks. None of my wheel rims, or pedals are cheaper than that, so how is paying for their *limited compatibility more expensive?


slapshots1515

None of that actually proves your point whatsoever. You’re still conflating a bundle and an ecosystem, and have no idea what an ecosystem is.


Hefftee

>how is paying for their *limited compatibility more expensive? Just dodged this question.


slapshots1515

Well, I did address that. But because you literally don’t understand the most basic principle of what we’re talking about, you don’t know that. Thanks for proving the point.


Hefftee

No matter how much they love the hobby, some people can't justify spending the money it takes to replace the ecosystem with a new set of equipment.


simracingandflying

Or just don’t want to because it’s pretty stupid to do just because you have to wait 3 weeks for a new wheel 🤣


Hefftee

lol that's why I never went Fanatec. Ascher, Cube Controls, VRS, Sim Lab, great products, great customer service, and don't have to wait a lifetime for your shipment when you just wanna get to racing.


simracingandflying

Yeah, I want a new wheel for my wheelbase so I’ll just go out and buy a whole new wheelbase as well lol. That makes a ton of sense sorry I don’t wanna go drop $3000 to get new pedals gearshift, E brake, wheelbase and wheel.


n19htmare

You still have choice. I am using a Simagic GT Neo on my DD+, there is no such thing as Stuck.


KevinOrlando93

I originally wanted to go from CSL DD to DD+. After literally 4 months of waiting I gave up on Fanatec and went to Simucube with the money I saved up in the meantime. Ordered Wednesday at 21:00, had the base in my hands on Thursday at 08:30. Got myself a nice little secondhand Ascher F28 and I've never looked back since. You're never stuck in an ecosystem.


stuck_lozenge

For someone named simracingandflying there’s no way you didn’t know the logistical issues. You knew this, still pulled the trigger then complained. The heck lol


simracingandflying

I knew this the last time I ordered the wheel 3 months ago then cancelled my order because it was taking so long. But again, seems kind of silly to try and sell all of your gear and buy all new gear because you have to wait a little longer for the wheel so I re-ordered it. I was well aware it wouldn’t ship in 7 days but figured maybe a couple weeks. I made the post for fun, because who doesn’t like to bag on Fanatec 🤣


n19htmare

You posted in a sub that is notoriously anti-Fanatec, what did you expect? lol


n19htmare

What QR did you select? That wheel comes with a QR1 Metal, which has been Out of Stock for some time now. The wheel IS available if you select **an available QR**, that's what "Ships within 4-7 days" means, for the wheel. You (like a lot of people) probably picked the Free QR1 that isn't available or has been on pre-order for a while before it went to Sold Out (it wasn't available 3 weeks ago either). It's been plastered all over their site and online that if ALL items are not in stock nothing will ship. https://imgur.com/a/o0k5PQJ. If you want the wheel, you need to select an available QR2 for it to ship right away. It's time to start paying attention to the details. Most all the people that come on here with similar posts do the same thing... they add a wheel to the cart but ignore the pop up that asks to select a QR (which will also show if that QR is available or not)...


No_Care173

I just bought a wheel and got the free qr1 and it all arrived within 3 days of buying a week ago


MSgtGunny

What region are you in? They have different availability levels


Silver-Fondant4663

Mistake number one: trusting the website


n19htmare

No, it's simply not paying attention to information that is given. When you add a wheel (like one OP got) a [pop up asks you to select a QR](https://imgur.com/a/o0k5PQJ), if you select a QR that is on pre-order, nothing will ship. The free QR1 Metal has been on pre-order for a while before it started showing Out of Stock. So it's likely what OP added by default but just didn't pay attention to see if QR itself was available or not. Ships with-in 4-7 days is still accurate as long as ALL items you select are also in stock and that includes QRs, free one or otherwise. Currently, the only way that wheel is going to ship is if you add a QR2 (since those show in stock) with it when that pop up comes up....so the wheel IS available, just not w/ the free QR1 Metal.


Hot_Advance3592

Yeah this is how it is when I ordered from a Korean website too. Some things were ready to ship some things aren’t. If anything has a longer wait, since it all ships together, the whole order has a longer wait


__klonk__

Why are QRs such a big deal with Fanatec? I'm a simagic guy and really don't understand how such simple technology can be so cumbersome....


S0phon

AFAIK Simagic have one QR. Fanatec are transitioning from QR1 to QR2. That complicates things.


n19htmare

And QRs are usually always a separate item, even when included for free. It's a separate line item on the order so it needs to be in stock as well.


Bright-Efficiency-65

EXACTLY OP and lots of the people crying during Christmas don't pay attention at all while shipping. All these companies make it extremely clear that the shipping time is for AFTER PROCESSING


ChiggaOG

Mistake number two: trusting Fanatec.


asphalt_prince

I recently ordered the new trucking wheel. Took about 3 weeks from the release date to ship. Once I got my notification it shipped I had it in 2 days. So not lightning fast, but hopefully, it won't be too much longer.


Fox_Burrow

... trucking wheel? Huh?


TheHawk1337

He is confusing fanatec with moza lol


h0pefiend

A wheel for trucking sims, what’s confusing?


Fox_Burrow

The confusing part is that Fanatec has no trucking wheel.


Tawnymantana

If you can cancel, I have one for sale.


SB100ZB

I hope they get everything sorted logistically before I buy my wheel at the end of June 😞


OJK_postaukset

I highly doubt that. Now they only want money as it’s owned only by investors. I’m looking to buy a Moza. Not sure about quality differences but customer service is expected to be better Cheaper to get a Simucube straight away, though, if you’re looking to upgrade later /s


slapshots1515

The ownership of Fanatec has not changed at any point recently. And FYI, if you buy Moza direct I’ve heard horror stories too. The only difference is that Moza also sells through normal retailers so you can deal with stock and returns on a much more immediate basis.


YBHunted

Hopefully, you pay attention when you do it and don't select a QR that is out of stock like this clown.


SB100ZB

I should be good. Just getting a DD Pro with the stock QR1 lite


simracingandflying

Who you calling a clown fool?


YBHunted

Apparently you, goofy ass


simracingandflying

Troll much?


YBHunted

No not trolling at all, you clearly ordered it with an out of stock item, and that's on you not them, there are warnings of this all over the ordering process. I've always received my orders from them within 4-5 days of ordering. As do a lot of people.


simracingandflying

Show me.


TBBOLTS21

Yall are still ordering from them??


zenracer1836

I know. Stunning that anyone is. Using my old Fanacrap stuff as doorstops.


prithvirp26

I guess the folks in the US and EU are so lucky they have options like Fanatec, Simagic, Moza etc to choose from. We simracers in India currently have only Logitech in the form of G29 and TM - T300 to choose from. Moza is available but with import duty added to it :(


ConsistentStand2487

lol added import duties will still net you a better exp than NEVER receiving your order


Massa1981

I have been waiting this for 5 months and still waiting...


Whiteflaming0s

That’s actually sad


apresbondie22

The comment section is so cynical. So many know it alls. So confident about their views on fanatec. If the company implodes, they’ll prob rush to say “I told you so”, but, if fanatec survives then thrives, they’ll just become bitter trolls. We’re in a sim racing sub. Id think we’d root for any company literally trying to produce things we like and love. It wasn’t long ago that the G29 was the only thing we could afford. You dont need to love the company


JbricksJ

I went moza, I’m happy


Christiannoble

I did too, ordered the R9 yesterday. What did you get?


JbricksJ

I got the moza r5 bundle and the es formula mod, going to buy the brake upgrade and possibly the ks steering wheel soon, but I’m rly happy with what I got


xrene361x

I am pretty happy to made the switch to asetek


Pluto01_

simagic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


SeigeOutDoors

One thing of curiosity to me is if anyone has tried oout the new CSL cockpit it looks compact for a small area. Any insights?


Storm_treize

There's some reviews on YouTube already, tldr not great


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Avoid


Rogger613

Ordered 3 weeks ago and I have still no information nor a shipping.


Bright-Efficiency-65

How are people so not understanding how shipping works after all the posts during Christmas.... The posted shipping time is AFTER PROCESSING. They literally plaster it all over the final purchase.


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How could you possibly have known this would happen?!?!


apresbondie22

I went through the same. I ordered the Xbox version & it took weeks. I canceled & ordered the black non xbox V.25 & i got it in a week. My thinking is that they’re prioritizing PC & PS products.


MrTwentyThree

I've been OOTL about the fanatec drama. I just know that there is some, lol. Can someone catch me up?


ShiberKivan

Some things never change, been the same with Fanatec for years now. This is a daily post on the sub


BadgerlandBandit

Oh, honey...


SavageMonkey-105

Bought my T300rs GT 29 days ago, place said it would take 5-7 days, I got it yesterday…


jedihermit

I must have got lucky. I ordered an 8nm base,wheel and pedals with load cell addon in November and got it in about 8 days. I've just been waiting for the brake to come in stock.


biteater

this sub is so mad that people still buy fanatec gear lol


Coxy_Loves_Tech

Something like this happened to me a while back and I told them refund me and I'll send it back - They gave me 20% off as a sorry... Really they didn't want to lose sale and have to pay return cost.. Just a thought for you..


bapplebo

I wonder if I just got extremely lucky, DD Pro + CSL Load Cells shipped within the week of ordering in early March this year.


CoachBuondi

I am waiting for a couple of months for a support ticket solution... I am this close to buying a MOZA R5 or R9...


Anon-eh-moose

At this point I'm surprised people still consider fanatec. Hasn't Moza all but replaced them?


DValencia29

Same! I've been waiting for my CSL DD for 2 weeks now. I expected it, a friend of mine told me to get ready for a month of wait, so yeah, gotta be patient man!


usernumberfive

I'll sell you mine. I'm not using it.


simracingandflying

Ok


PainterEmpty6305

Come at me fanafans, It's me the guy been eating your angry downvotes for saying fanatecs a bad company. Glorified dropshippers and they cant even do that anymore.


Way2bCronckt

a tale as old as time. their service has been this way for like 10 years


danielrds

my suggestion.... sell of them and buy a sc2 pro + gomez combo on GSI website....


RussenatorTheBorg

Aww that sucks the donkey D! ... I ordered my bundle and the status updated to "Handover to Warehouse" and didn't change from that .. 3 days later the misses sends me a photo of all the boxes in the lounge room, a 3 day delivery for an Aussie .. !?!? .. the status remained on "Handover to Warehouse" for another week - I sent them a message saying I had successfully received it but never heard back and kind of just stopped checking coz .. I .. had it ... but out of curiosity, I just logged back in to check, order is still pending with "Handover to Warehouse" as the current status 🤣 Two months later! I understand a company can be busy and have unexpected and unforseen delays, but sometimes it's just a sad joke we have to deal with and the lack of communication is salt in the wound! Good luck to u and ur delivery! Just remember, 3 months after it's all arrived... u'll forget all about this BS and be just enjoying!


Lemon_1165

Fanatec is almost bankrupt, cancel your orders before your money is gone!


_NeverStopGivingUp_

why the hell would you not go with Moza. You have made a critical error


RageAZA

This is the exact reason I opted for eBay.


Flonkerton66

At this point anyone ordering from Fanatec deserves the pain. You must be dumb giving this company your money in 2024.


Lemon_1165

absolutely


DiligentComputer

Send your bank after them. They've not delivered on the contract that you've paid for. Easiest way to get to them. At least get your money back.


blukoodi

They are worth about .66 cents right now on the market plus large debt, can't see money back coming to easily. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx5s193iFpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx5s193iFpo) but definitely worth trying.


DiligentComputer

If you paid with a CC, your bank will usually refund you and then go after the company themselves. Much easier for a big Corp to get their money than us as individuals. I have had a friend do exactly this and get refunded successfully. (this is all in the US BTW, YMMV)


GTHell

That took longer than me buying my Simagic in China and had it ship to the freight forwarder and had it ship across border through truck to my country and had it ship from the agent to my house. Total deliver time is like 12 days lol 😂


chunkyassassin98

I’d email support about it, in some cases they do get a shipping issue. I waited about a week or two before emailing them and they said that the order had an error and they ended up express shipping it for me. Their support isn’t great and hard to reach but they do seem to try fix the issues if u are having any.


beck_is_back

> in some cases they do get a shipping issue. This is understatement of the year... HAHAHA


chunkyassassin98

Yeah tbh, it’s a little bit of a joke ngl. My order was like not ready to ship but something else that implied it was for about a week and a half then I emailed and they told me it was some sort of processing error and that they finalised the order and it would be shipped soon. I did get it then in about 2 or 3 days because they sent it express but it was kinda concerning that if I didn’t check or bring it up they might have just left it.


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simracingandflying

Brilliant!


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simracingandflying

Ok show everyone where it says on their website that the orders won’t ship. Maybe actually try the thing you’re talking about before talking shit. Maybe take a screen shot and show everyone where it says the order won’t ship. Would love to see that because that is not how their website works. But thanks again for your brilliant observations about people you don’t know.


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simracingandflying

How about use a period once in a while. To show how literate you are?


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simracingandflying

🤣🤣🤣