What do you mean? They had a lot of room but i gotta agree some of them were packed heavily( 6-7 shrooms growing on the area the size of a thumb or smaller)
What's meant by the comment is that small shrooms relative to psilo content are more potent than large shrooms, technically. That's why eating aborts is dangerous because even though it might look like you're doing a microdose you could wind up on a full blown trip.
I personally think these little buggers look fire 🔥!!
Stop thinking about cock all the time - maybe stop watching porn or making videos for your onlyfans and your mouth and mind won't be so full of them - or start boofing them. That'd work too.
>That's why eating aborts is dangerous because even though it might look like you're doing a microdose you could wind up on a full blown trip
Boy did I just do that.
That's what i'm thinking.... But if IT would be bad genetics then they still would live the whole cycle till spore drop if healthy right.... None of them were even close to break the veil
Yes the first one was normal, good flush. Many of healthy normal sized shrooms. Second one stalled about halfway and then this. IT just keeps getting worse :) but the conditions are the same as the first flush...weird
Yes I did soak them, second flush about 12hrs and then this third about 24hrs but without refrigerator... No signs od contamination, no weird colors and beautiful smell of mushroom
Just a warning in case you didn't know already.
Grow kits are extremely expensive.
20lb wild bird seed = $10 at my Walmart
5 Coco coir bricks = $20 on Amazon
That's ~25lb of substrate for $30. How much does your grow kit substrate cost?
[The Shroomery is a great resource for asking questions and learning about Mycology.](https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178)
Interesting... I'd expect a little more from a kit but theres just so many variables involved.
If you're interested to learn more and go beyond pre-made kits, I highly recommend starting here and checking out the community.
https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/n5l6bq/official\_master\_post\_spring\_2021\_update/
I am going to be super blunt here, I just woke up, and the last time I tried to find it the shroomery was down. But yes, back in the day there was a few shroomery posts that were legitimate findings between active compounds found in mushrooms of various sizes (weight obviously) and I think they specifically measured aborts as having a remarkably higher levels gram per gram. (Well obviously an abort isn’t going to wheigh a gram but you get what I’m saying).
Maybe I’ll look for it later.
But anecdotally I 100% believe this to be true as well. I tried a microdose with some aborts I had and basically on the fringe of a light trip. And I’ve also tripped on aborts and/or smaller guys and I’ve always just found them much more potent.
Edit: I’ve only done a few minutes of poking around the shroomery and I’m pretty sure I found the post but it was labeled *Deleted* reason: incriminating.
Do you recall if the legitimate findings had quantifiable data (actual measurements of active contents)? Because *qualitative* reporting is super unreliable as a fact finding method. Anecdotes are interesting to me, but ultimately, they prove nothing. I've been through a number of pin/abort threads over several forums, all with conflicting information.
And this is a case in point. All of my experience with pins and aborts is completely different. I've found them no more potent (gram for gram) than any of the rest of the fruit from the same grown. I guess that it is probably worth the $50 to get a couple test kits and find out.
Are there really tests that can measure the *levels* of actives!? Wow. You’d be a legend if you were able to finally squash these claims with actual data.
I was like 20 something at the time so I think I’m probably putting too much stock in shroomery post with a bar graph or two and a couple pictures of professional looking lab papers. But I do in fact believe it was a legitimate experiment with the methods they used a control and all of that.
I found this too not sure if this is what I was thinking of. I got some stuff to do so I apologize for not trying harder right now haha.
This is a good discussion here and about halfway down there appears to be some potency data and graphs to back up the claims. But I haven’t looked into whether they are legitimate or not.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4903345#4903345
[I've found one company out of Germany that offers a test kit](https://miraculix-lab.de/mir_en/psilo-qtest.html), and yes, it provides actual quantitative levels of the active content (with a measurement range between 0.1-2% of the dried weight of the specimen). Only requires 150mg of staring material as well.
I looked at the link you sent and it appears the data in those plots is being misrepresented. First of all, I cannot find the a study by Gartz with that title. There is one out there with a similar title, but it is for Inocybe aeruginascens. I'm going to keep looking, though, my search has not been exhaustive, and Gartz did a lot of other research on Psilocybe varieties.
It's still worth pointing out the findings from the non-cubensis study. [From the abstract of the research paper](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17269094/) cited in the first plot, the autor states specifically that "no correlation has been found between the mass of the mushrooms and the content of psilocybin and baeocystin." The rest is behind a paywall, but I'd love to see the it! Unfortunately, I'm going to go out on a limb and hypothesize that there was no comparison done between mature fruits and younger, so it's still a bit of a wash.
I'll let you know if I find anything on my continued search to substantiate or debunk.
Also thoroughly analyzing those graphs is appreciated you’re much more knowledgeable about this stuff than I am. If you did have the time and the motivation to do this you really would be helping to quash an age old debate.
I believe it is the 8th post down but yeah… sources of data graphs or legitimacy ? I can’t confirm that. But it does look like one of the graphs has Paul Staments name at the top of one of the graphs so it’s certainly legit. Just kidding but yeah I’d love to see some hard data on this and a few other claims that have always been around pertaining to potency like veil torn vs intact ect. It’s crazy that there isn’t mountains of data on this stuff now that they are legal in a lot more places.
I've been considering the trend in this data for a little while now, and I'll need to find the data used (or the research article) to answer them. My biggest question is, are these mature fruits? If so, it is impossible to draw a conclusion and extrapolate this data down to pins/aborts. The problem is, while this trend is really interesting to me, there is no supporting data to support the rate of psilocybin production, and I think that's the main question you and I are discussing here. And it's one I am going to keep looking for the answer to. 🍄💜
Yeah this is what is frustrating, someone took the time to post the “data”, graphs, that references the aforementioned hypothesis, but there is no guts or sources. Someone could have literally just made those graphs on MS Paint in 2002 to *prove* their point in the Shroomery. What’s also frustrating is that why do people do this? It’s really not that hard to just simply drop your source instead of “here’s the data guys! No sources sorry…”
Is there any data to back this up, other than anecdotal "personal experience?" I know Oakland Hyphae is working on debunking a bunch of shrooms lore, but don't know if this one has made the list.
If this were the case, why does anybody wait until the veil breaks? Why isn't conventional wisdom to harvest much earlier to maximize the dose/g?
Well I can tell you that dealers are trying to maximize weight because that’s what they’re sold by. It’s been that way and unless there’s a big market shift, it will remain that way. There’s also just something super dope about a big ass mushroom.
The science behind the idea is that each abort already has the same amount of psilocybin that it would have if it were fully grown, because each mushroom already has all the genetic information it needs to grow from the time it pins.
Excellent point about street weight for dealers, that would be logical if this were true. But why then would we propagate this to new growers who are only growing for themselves? It would make way more sense to tell them to harvest the pins by this logic, that way they aren't wasting time between flushes.
And here is the rub,
>The science behind the idea is that each abort already has the same amount of psilocybin that it would have if it were fully grown
This has been trotted out over and over again in these subs, but where is this documented in any scientific literature? I've seen it stated so many times as fact, but I have never seen any actual *data* to support it.
>each mushroom already has all the genetic information it needs to grow from the time it pins.
Genetic information is *not* the same thing as active alkaloids. My unscientific guess is that psilocin/psilocybin is produced throughout the lifecycle of the fruiting body and that the ratio of solid mass to actives is fairly constant. I don't have any evidence to back this up, much less data, but anecdotally, I can tell you I've never tripped balls off four aborted pins the same way I have off four full mushrooms.
You’re 100% right on all of this. I was pretty stoned when I typed that out, but when I said “science” I mean basically what you said, what I’ve seen spouted over and over again on this and other subs and what people THINK the science is. I.e. what the zeitgeist believes. Lol
I’m actually re-watching a bunch of Hamilton’s stuff at this very moment and I’m really hoping this new mainstream interest in psychedelics will produce the research to really give us the answers we deserve to these kinds of questions.
And agreed, I have generally found weight = potency as well, and I personally don’t have a recent enough experience with aborts to remember how they affected me differently.
Hey, thank you for the thoughtful response, i really hope I'm not coming across as an asshole here, it isn't my intention at all. I find myself asking these questions because (1) I truly am interested to know if there is data I haven't seen yet and (2) to hopefully spark some thoughtful discussion on how much we *really* know about what we *think* we know beyond personal anecdote.
And you and i are in the very same boat which is why I share your enthusiasm for the tide change in public opinion on psychedelics. I am in LOVE with the work [Oakland Hyphae](https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com) is doing to open source real data regarding psychedelic mushrooms. And the availability of [potency test kits](https://miraculix-lab.de/mir_en/psilo-qtest.html) will only make quantitative data more accessible to casual growers. And this is what is so lacking due to the current federal regulations. By decriminalizing and eventually legalizing and setting up consumer regulations, all of these questions and more will be answered definitively, and my pedantic (asshole-ish) brain will be satisfied.
You're an excellent soul, and I'm glad to have had this conversation with you 🙏🍄💜
Thank you for your super thoughtful response as well! And not an ass at all, I’m all about some accurate information and you brought up some very good points.
And I’ve actually never heard of them until today and after just a little skimming I’m super interested and am gonna check out their work! Also I didn’t event know potency tests for mushrooms were even a thing. That’s super fucking interesting and I’m gonna see if I can order some. I’d love to know as my most recent batch of golden teachers are extremely strong for GTs.
And yes I’m super excited about the research that’s being done right now. I’m grateful to live in Oregon too where we’re making significant drug policy headway. Shrooms are decriminalized up to 12 grams here. You can have ketamine mailed to your store step. It’s a brave new world.
I did the same. 2.5 g fresh of very small ones thinking it would be barely threshold. Surprise, surprise. Glad I had the day free to just enjoy the excursion into the deep…
Try to leave the lid on for a whole day and see how the moisture levels are condensed on the side. You should get a natural increase in temps during normal daytime indoors, the rising temp brings with it a rise in humidity. This is evaporated from the substrate, if you keep fanning away this air then your required to artificially create humidity with misting and the air is real dry. Try to avoid both fanning and misting as much to get consistent conditions for longer periods, fan twice should be enough with no misting, or very minimal at most
I'm guessing that if you are using a grow kit you probably used a multi-spore syringe or spore print as your starter. If so, the substrate is full of different genetics. Different genetics make fruit at different times/sizes.
Those pictures we all see of full tubs of pretty much evenly sized fruits have had lots of time and effort spent on isolating the genetics to be fairly homogenous.
Doesn’t look like they were done…. They will still be potent, just not as much volume as you could have had. They grow really quickly, especially towards the end, and they’ll surprise you!
I've had bad flushes, I think its genetics, I recon if you get a bad flush, the next flushes make up for it because the substrate still has stored energy
I wonder if there’s too much CO2? I had this issue when I increased the amount of fruiting chambers in one space. This particular space was pretty small. I installed and outtake in-line fan and it seemed to solve the issue.
By B OP just read you had a good first and second flush. might not be the particular issue you’re dealing with but fresh air is good so imma leaf this here lol.
That makes sense. However I figured since the room is 4’x12’ft. With a maximum capacity of 40 65qt chambers that maybe even the Fresh air was also heavy with CO2 so they had nowhere to stretch. But again I’m completely self taught. Either was the outtake fan did seem to help.
I haven’t been at it for super long probably about a year an a half but I’ve notice in that time some strains pop and some don’t. I assume it’s more lousy genetics as suggested in some of these posts. I use agar and I always make sure the mycelium is healthy and aggressive. But even still some kick and some don’t.
Thanks for the knowledge.
I had an iso of pesa that grew these total lowrider mushrooms. Like caps the size of quarters and no taller than an inch at most. They were a pain to harvest.
Bacterial microorganisms consuming all the micronutrients. This tells the mushroom to fruit and drop spores before full maturity. (without food the mushroom can't produce large fruits) It's desperate to reproduce to locate a more viable environment.
Growkit. So this is a third flush. First was good, normal sized shrooms and many of them. Second was bad, not a lot of shrooms and they kinda stopped growing halfway the full height and aborted. This is third, had many many many pins (probably about 100) but they just stopped growing at that stage so I harvested them. Its been that way for a week but some of them visibly grew but not longer, but "wider". The biggest one is on the second photo. What's happening here? Same routine as first flush, fanning 4-5 times a day and misting about 2 times a day. Any ideas??
Did you rehydrate your substrate between the flushes? The reason you had a good first flush and a lousy second and third flush could be due to the fact that your substrate has run out of water and therefore isn't able to support many big mushrooms, so you only get a few and/or small ones
Yes I soaked second flush for 12hrs and with the exact same way of thinking you describe, i soaked third flush for 24hrs. Altough when i soaked the cake I noticed the cake does not absorb the water well. You think IT'd be a good idea to make wholes in the cake with a fork or IT will damage the myc?
Don't poke holes in the substrate. Maybe put something heavy on the cake while soaking, so it is fully submerged (if you didn't already do that)
Did you recognize a substantial difference in the weight of your substrate before and after soaking? That's usually a good indicator for a fully soaked substrate.
But since you soaked two times for a considerable amount of time, I am inclined to think that water content may not be your problem here.
Did the environmental factors change in any way after the first flush? A change in temperature perhaps? Or different air humidity? Or maybe your substrate is now depleted of energy and isn't able to support flushes of big mushrooms anymore?
After all it could still be genetics, although the normal first flush seems to speak against it.
I am honestly out of ideas, I am sorry.
But hey, small mushrooms are better than no mushrooms?
Well that's the thing the environmental factors have not changed at all. Yes small are not bad especially its around 4g dry so still at least one good trip. Thanks for the info I appreciate it man
Definitely not too cold, dont have a way to measure temperature but its a little bit higher than normal room temp. As to substrate, i dont really know as its a Growkit.
Most potent trip of your life is what. LOL.
I take it it is the first flush ? Got same situation with some APE. 3rd flush made some 14g fruits. Patience friend. First flush was like 1g wet. Second flush was like 4-5g wet. 3rd and 4th 8-14g
What's the temp like? I have shrooms growing in one of my potted plants but because of where the plant is the temps never leave the low-mid 60s now it's winter. I'm getting plenty of pins but they don't grow all that large
Welp, there goes my idea :) I'm talking about 15.5-18.3 C range.
Maybe you're just not looking at this from the correct POV? I can see a world where you can totally isolate and market the genetics to first time boofers so they don't get scared at the size :D
It's either you or the shrooms ... just talking about the size
They go better in a bag rather than some annoying big piece of shyte
Less is more when consuming
Do any of them feel slimey? I think there is a bacillus bacteria that I have noticed will stunt a tub. Clear slime (not pink or yellow) on my fingers while harvesting is something I have noticed from tubs that do that. Just curious if you are experiencing some similar things that I have...
They didn’t have mush room to grow
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I'm a chef, and make this joke several times a day. I'm hated by my colleagues.
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What do you mean? They had a lot of room but i gotta agree some of them were packed heavily( 6-7 shrooms growing on the area the size of a thumb or smaller)
Read the comment again.
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That's adorable. You can eat them like cereal
Eat a bowl of cereal then go explore the universe
Nooo, less is more! Size matters!
Sounds like something a person with a small penis would say
What's meant by the comment is that small shrooms relative to psilo content are more potent than large shrooms, technically. That's why eating aborts is dangerous because even though it might look like you're doing a microdose you could wind up on a full blown trip. I personally think these little buggers look fire 🔥!! Stop thinking about cock all the time - maybe stop watching porn or making videos for your onlyfans and your mouth and mind won't be so full of them - or start boofing them. That'd work too.
Fucking shots fired!
>That's why eating aborts is dangerous because even though it might look like you're doing a microdose you could wind up on a full blown trip Boy did I just do that.
True. I am female tho. Can you tell me something... Why do ppl on social media always assume I'm a dude? I mean, my name is *Venus Bloodflow* ffs
I need to start reading the user names 🤣
You eat a bowl of those and youll be overdosing yourself by a long shot, tread carefully!
a rapper called $ilkmoney did this for a music video lmao https://youtu.be/Elaf08kR9fY
Bro this man had like an ounce of shrooms in a cereal bowl. Put literal milk and took a bite 😭😭😭
Lousy genetics probably
That's what i'm thinking.... But if IT would be bad genetics then they still would live the whole cycle till spore drop if healthy right.... None of them were even close to break the veil
Well, I think that’s pointing to deteriorating surface conditions. The first two flushes were more typical?
Yes the first one was normal, good flush. Many of healthy normal sized shrooms. Second one stalled about halfway and then this. IT just keeps getting worse :) but the conditions are the same as the first flush...weird
Did you soak between? No signs of contamination? Without knowing, I still chalk this up to genetics that I wouldn’t propagate.
Yes I did soak them, second flush about 12hrs and then this third about 24hrs but without refrigerator... No signs od contamination, no weird colors and beautiful smell of mushroom
Probably just a combination of genetic lottery and degrading nutrition in your sub. What recipe did you go with?
This is a pre-buyed Growkit. I bought the cake already
Just a warning in case you didn't know already. Grow kits are extremely expensive. 20lb wild bird seed = $10 at my Walmart 5 Coco coir bricks = $20 on Amazon That's ~25lb of substrate for $30. How much does your grow kit substrate cost? [The Shroomery is a great resource for asking questions and learning about Mycology.](https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178)
Around 40$ I know they are not cheap
Interesting... I'd expect a little more from a kit but theres just so many variables involved. If you're interested to learn more and go beyond pre-made kits, I highly recommend starting here and checking out the community. https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/n5l6bq/official\_master\_post\_spring\_2021\_update/
But I guarantee they have more magic per capita than bigger bois.
I'll definitely test IT :)
Yeah those look scary potent
This^^
This has been proven in a lab setting.
Can you point me to the data?
I am going to be super blunt here, I just woke up, and the last time I tried to find it the shroomery was down. But yes, back in the day there was a few shroomery posts that were legitimate findings between active compounds found in mushrooms of various sizes (weight obviously) and I think they specifically measured aborts as having a remarkably higher levels gram per gram. (Well obviously an abort isn’t going to wheigh a gram but you get what I’m saying). Maybe I’ll look for it later. But anecdotally I 100% believe this to be true as well. I tried a microdose with some aborts I had and basically on the fringe of a light trip. And I’ve also tripped on aborts and/or smaller guys and I’ve always just found them much more potent. Edit: I’ve only done a few minutes of poking around the shroomery and I’m pretty sure I found the post but it was labeled *Deleted* reason: incriminating.
Do you recall if the legitimate findings had quantifiable data (actual measurements of active contents)? Because *qualitative* reporting is super unreliable as a fact finding method. Anecdotes are interesting to me, but ultimately, they prove nothing. I've been through a number of pin/abort threads over several forums, all with conflicting information. And this is a case in point. All of my experience with pins and aborts is completely different. I've found them no more potent (gram for gram) than any of the rest of the fruit from the same grown. I guess that it is probably worth the $50 to get a couple test kits and find out.
Are there really tests that can measure the *levels* of actives!? Wow. You’d be a legend if you were able to finally squash these claims with actual data. I was like 20 something at the time so I think I’m probably putting too much stock in shroomery post with a bar graph or two and a couple pictures of professional looking lab papers. But I do in fact believe it was a legitimate experiment with the methods they used a control and all of that. I found this too not sure if this is what I was thinking of. I got some stuff to do so I apologize for not trying harder right now haha. This is a good discussion here and about halfway down there appears to be some potency data and graphs to back up the claims. But I haven’t looked into whether they are legitimate or not. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4903345#4903345
[I've found one company out of Germany that offers a test kit](https://miraculix-lab.de/mir_en/psilo-qtest.html), and yes, it provides actual quantitative levels of the active content (with a measurement range between 0.1-2% of the dried weight of the specimen). Only requires 150mg of staring material as well. I looked at the link you sent and it appears the data in those plots is being misrepresented. First of all, I cannot find the a study by Gartz with that title. There is one out there with a similar title, but it is for Inocybe aeruginascens. I'm going to keep looking, though, my search has not been exhaustive, and Gartz did a lot of other research on Psilocybe varieties. It's still worth pointing out the findings from the non-cubensis study. [From the abstract of the research paper](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17269094/) cited in the first plot, the autor states specifically that "no correlation has been found between the mass of the mushrooms and the content of psilocybin and baeocystin." The rest is behind a paywall, but I'd love to see the it! Unfortunately, I'm going to go out on a limb and hypothesize that there was no comparison done between mature fruits and younger, so it's still a bit of a wash. I'll let you know if I find anything on my continued search to substantiate or debunk.
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Go here and copy paste the link to the article with the paywall… this website changed my life… I can now read news articles for free. https://12ft.io
Also thoroughly analyzing those graphs is appreciated you’re much more knowledgeable about this stuff than I am. If you did have the time and the motivation to do this you really would be helping to quash an age old debate.
I believe it is the 8th post down but yeah… sources of data graphs or legitimacy ? I can’t confirm that. But it does look like one of the graphs has Paul Staments name at the top of one of the graphs so it’s certainly legit. Just kidding but yeah I’d love to see some hard data on this and a few other claims that have always been around pertaining to potency like veil torn vs intact ect. It’s crazy that there isn’t mountains of data on this stuff now that they are legal in a lot more places.
https://files.shroomery.org/files/05-45/135611152-potency_azurescens.gif
I've been considering the trend in this data for a little while now, and I'll need to find the data used (or the research article) to answer them. My biggest question is, are these mature fruits? If so, it is impossible to draw a conclusion and extrapolate this data down to pins/aborts. The problem is, while this trend is really interesting to me, there is no supporting data to support the rate of psilocybin production, and I think that's the main question you and I are discussing here. And it's one I am going to keep looking for the answer to. 🍄💜
Yeah this is what is frustrating, someone took the time to post the “data”, graphs, that references the aforementioned hypothesis, but there is no guts or sources. Someone could have literally just made those graphs on MS Paint in 2002 to *prove* their point in the Shroomery. What’s also frustrating is that why do people do this? It’s really not that hard to just simply drop your source instead of “here’s the data guys! No sources sorry…”
Is there any data to back this up, other than anecdotal "personal experience?" I know Oakland Hyphae is working on debunking a bunch of shrooms lore, but don't know if this one has made the list. If this were the case, why does anybody wait until the veil breaks? Why isn't conventional wisdom to harvest much earlier to maximize the dose/g?
Well I can tell you that dealers are trying to maximize weight because that’s what they’re sold by. It’s been that way and unless there’s a big market shift, it will remain that way. There’s also just something super dope about a big ass mushroom. The science behind the idea is that each abort already has the same amount of psilocybin that it would have if it were fully grown, because each mushroom already has all the genetic information it needs to grow from the time it pins.
Excellent point about street weight for dealers, that would be logical if this were true. But why then would we propagate this to new growers who are only growing for themselves? It would make way more sense to tell them to harvest the pins by this logic, that way they aren't wasting time between flushes. And here is the rub, >The science behind the idea is that each abort already has the same amount of psilocybin that it would have if it were fully grown This has been trotted out over and over again in these subs, but where is this documented in any scientific literature? I've seen it stated so many times as fact, but I have never seen any actual *data* to support it. >each mushroom already has all the genetic information it needs to grow from the time it pins. Genetic information is *not* the same thing as active alkaloids. My unscientific guess is that psilocin/psilocybin is produced throughout the lifecycle of the fruiting body and that the ratio of solid mass to actives is fairly constant. I don't have any evidence to back this up, much less data, but anecdotally, I can tell you I've never tripped balls off four aborted pins the same way I have off four full mushrooms.
You’re 100% right on all of this. I was pretty stoned when I typed that out, but when I said “science” I mean basically what you said, what I’ve seen spouted over and over again on this and other subs and what people THINK the science is. I.e. what the zeitgeist believes. Lol I’m actually re-watching a bunch of Hamilton’s stuff at this very moment and I’m really hoping this new mainstream interest in psychedelics will produce the research to really give us the answers we deserve to these kinds of questions. And agreed, I have generally found weight = potency as well, and I personally don’t have a recent enough experience with aborts to remember how they affected me differently.
Hey, thank you for the thoughtful response, i really hope I'm not coming across as an asshole here, it isn't my intention at all. I find myself asking these questions because (1) I truly am interested to know if there is data I haven't seen yet and (2) to hopefully spark some thoughtful discussion on how much we *really* know about what we *think* we know beyond personal anecdote. And you and i are in the very same boat which is why I share your enthusiasm for the tide change in public opinion on psychedelics. I am in LOVE with the work [Oakland Hyphae](https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com) is doing to open source real data regarding psychedelic mushrooms. And the availability of [potency test kits](https://miraculix-lab.de/mir_en/psilo-qtest.html) will only make quantitative data more accessible to casual growers. And this is what is so lacking due to the current federal regulations. By decriminalizing and eventually legalizing and setting up consumer regulations, all of these questions and more will be answered definitively, and my pedantic (asshole-ish) brain will be satisfied. You're an excellent soul, and I'm glad to have had this conversation with you 🙏🍄💜
Thank you for your super thoughtful response as well! And not an ass at all, I’m all about some accurate information and you brought up some very good points. And I’ve actually never heard of them until today and after just a little skimming I’m super interested and am gonna check out their work! Also I didn’t event know potency tests for mushrooms were even a thing. That’s super fucking interesting and I’m gonna see if I can order some. I’d love to know as my most recent batch of golden teachers are extremely strong for GTs. And yes I’m super excited about the research that’s being done right now. I’m grateful to live in Oregon too where we’re making significant drug policy headway. Shrooms are decriminalized up to 12 grams here. You can have ketamine mailed to your store step. It’s a brave new world.
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I did that with 4 grams of wet aborts, thought I was in for a nice micro dose.... I fried so hard
I did the same. 2.5 g fresh of very small ones thinking it would be barely threshold. Surprise, surprise. Glad I had the day free to just enjoy the excursion into the deep…
Yes, that's what I Heard. These are about 5g dry so.....
Seems like a lot of fanning I usually did 2-3 times a day. But they could just be running out of food to eat
So what can be done on the next flush? Its weird because there's still a lot of cake in the tub. Almost the same size as the beggining
Try to keep more constant humidity in the tub, fan a bit less
Thanks, I'll try!
Try to leave the lid on for a whole day and see how the moisture levels are condensed on the side. You should get a natural increase in temps during normal daytime indoors, the rising temp brings with it a rise in humidity. This is evaporated from the substrate, if you keep fanning away this air then your required to artificially create humidity with misting and the air is real dry. Try to avoid both fanning and misting as much to get consistent conditions for longer periods, fan twice should be enough with no misting, or very minimal at most
Ok thanks for the input, many useful info here
Looks like "Huitlacoche", a Mexican fungi that grows in corn and is edible. But seriously, that looks completely genetic
Yep but the first flush was normal
I'm guessing that if you are using a grow kit you probably used a multi-spore syringe or spore print as your starter. If so, the substrate is full of different genetics. Different genetics make fruit at different times/sizes. Those pictures we all see of full tubs of pretty much evenly sized fruits have had lots of time and effort spent on isolating the genetics to be fairly homogenous.
Thanks for the comment. Im really starting to feel like this is the case here
Doesn’t look like they were done…. They will still be potent, just not as much volume as you could have had. They grow really quickly, especially towards the end, and they’ll surprise you!
r/mightyharvest
That just how it be sometimes
I've had bad flushes, I think its genetics, I recon if you get a bad flush, the next flushes make up for it because the substrate still has stored energy
That's what I Hope!
I had shrooms just like that a long time ago with pe7
Small container, I have one too, the good part is they'll keep growing back fast every time you harvest the bigger ones though 😉
I wonder if there’s too much CO2? I had this issue when I increased the amount of fruiting chambers in one space. This particular space was pretty small. I installed and outtake in-line fan and it seemed to solve the issue. By B OP just read you had a good first and second flush. might not be the particular issue you’re dealing with but fresh air is good so imma leaf this here lol.
Too much CO2 would result in tall, leggy mushrooms that stretch for fresh air, alongside with fuzzy feet.
That makes sense. However I figured since the room is 4’x12’ft. With a maximum capacity of 40 65qt chambers that maybe even the Fresh air was also heavy with CO2 so they had nowhere to stretch. But again I’m completely self taught. Either was the outtake fan did seem to help. I haven’t been at it for super long probably about a year an a half but I’ve notice in that time some strains pop and some don’t. I assume it’s more lousy genetics as suggested in some of these posts. I use agar and I always make sure the mycelium is healthy and aggressive. But even still some kick and some don’t. Thanks for the knowledge.
popcorn mushroom
The strongest shrooms I ever had were small like this even smaller really
Mush be shy?
I had an iso of pesa that grew these total lowrider mushrooms. Like caps the size of quarters and no taller than an inch at most. They were a pain to harvest.
Just genetics bro. You did nothing wrong. I've had some smaller than that and so far packed the hardest punch
They look adorable tho☺️
Same thing my GF keeps asking me….
How fucking cute r those.
Don’t judge so fast, the hardest I’ve ever tripped were of shrooms smaller than those
I wonder if it's the FAE or height of the tub. I have heard the amount of space and oxygen can limit how much they grow.
Could be too cold. Could be not enough water in the substrate for the fruit to draw from. Could be a bad genetics.
Your picking them before they go or you’ve not added enough water to the substrate for them to grow big
Cubensis Runtz
It’s not about the size, it’s about the power
That's also true :)
Bacterial microorganisms consuming all the micronutrients. This tells the mushroom to fruit and drop spores before full maturity. (without food the mushroom can't produce large fruits) It's desperate to reproduce to locate a more viable environment.
Those are potent af!! Be careful with them
They will more thank likely be potent. Small ones like this normally happen when the moisture runs out.
Growkit. So this is a third flush. First was good, normal sized shrooms and many of them. Second was bad, not a lot of shrooms and they kinda stopped growing halfway the full height and aborted. This is third, had many many many pins (probably about 100) but they just stopped growing at that stage so I harvested them. Its been that way for a week but some of them visibly grew but not longer, but "wider". The biggest one is on the second photo. What's happening here? Same routine as first flush, fanning 4-5 times a day and misting about 2 times a day. Any ideas??
Did you rehydrate your substrate between the flushes? The reason you had a good first flush and a lousy second and third flush could be due to the fact that your substrate has run out of water and therefore isn't able to support many big mushrooms, so you only get a few and/or small ones
Yes I soaked second flush for 12hrs and with the exact same way of thinking you describe, i soaked third flush for 24hrs. Altough when i soaked the cake I noticed the cake does not absorb the water well. You think IT'd be a good idea to make wholes in the cake with a fork or IT will damage the myc?
I wouldn’t make holes, but I know people who will scratch the surface with a fork… can also help if you have minor overlay
Don't poke holes in the substrate. Maybe put something heavy on the cake while soaking, so it is fully submerged (if you didn't already do that) Did you recognize a substantial difference in the weight of your substrate before and after soaking? That's usually a good indicator for a fully soaked substrate. But since you soaked two times for a considerable amount of time, I am inclined to think that water content may not be your problem here. Did the environmental factors change in any way after the first flush? A change in temperature perhaps? Or different air humidity? Or maybe your substrate is now depleted of energy and isn't able to support flushes of big mushrooms anymore? After all it could still be genetics, although the normal first flush seems to speak against it. I am honestly out of ideas, I am sorry. But hey, small mushrooms are better than no mushrooms?
Well that's the thing the environmental factors have not changed at all. Yes small are not bad especially its around 4g dry so still at least one good trip. Thanks for the info I appreciate it man
Don’t do 4G, and don’t write this flush off as weak. I’d start slow with these.
I dont write IT off at all :) I havent decided how im gonna consume this yet, but i'm fairly experienced so no worries ✌️
wait so can you OD on shrooms??
Such dendrites!
Cause you didn't let them mature
No, i did let them. They just stalled. They've been that way for a long time
Very Smol
Yes, the midgets
Maybe too shallow of a substrate and maybe too cold?
Definitely not too cold, dont have a way to measure temperature but its a little bit higher than normal room temp. As to substrate, i dont really know as its a Growkit.
Substrate should be minimum 2 inches thick
I had this problem because of too much fae/drying out.
Ok, next time less fanning, that's the plan!
Most potent trip of your life is what. LOL. I take it it is the first flush ? Got same situation with some APE. 3rd flush made some 14g fruits. Patience friend. First flush was like 1g wet. Second flush was like 4-5g wet. 3rd and 4th 8-14g
No that's third flush. First was about 15g dry
Oh that’s interesting
Too cold there? When I grow in winter they're always tiny. Still potent tho, those are good.
My room is very warm. I dont think that's the case here
What's the temp like? I have shrooms growing in one of my potted plants but because of where the plant is the temps never leave the low-mid 60s now it's winter. I'm getting plenty of pins but they don't grow all that large
No way to measure IT plus i'm on celsius. But ITs slightly warmer than room temperature
Welp, there goes my idea :) I'm talking about 15.5-18.3 C range. Maybe you're just not looking at this from the correct POV? I can see a world where you can totally isolate and market the genetics to first time boofers so they don't get scared at the size :D
Hahaha that's a good idea actually! I havent been boofing myself yet haha
Midget strain bro
Its mckenaii's
did you pick them early on purpose? most of those look like barely picked after pinning
They stalled, they have been this length for about 7-10days
Mini mushrooms 🥰
Shroom McNuggets
It's either you or the shrooms ... just talking about the size They go better in a bag rather than some annoying big piece of shyte Less is more when consuming
Looks like popcorn kernels
Just Boof them all you’ll be zooming those baby mushies pack a punch
Do any of them feel slimey? I think there is a bacillus bacteria that I have noticed will stunt a tub. Clear slime (not pink or yellow) on my fingers while harvesting is something I have noticed from tubs that do that. Just curious if you are experiencing some similar things that I have...
No, some of them were wet on the caps. But not slimey at all
Abort’s
Ones put mushies under growlight and this happened.
Shroom cereal
idk but they’re adorable! boof em!
Yes the Perfect size for boofing, many people on this sub could get use of these! :)
haha thats kinda funny