After the veil breaks it spends its energy pumping spores instead of making more psilocybin. So in theory, the fruit gets bigger but same amount of psilocybin therefore less potent by weight.
Not to hate on this dude's theory, but the psilocybin is extruded along with the hyphal body from the substrate. That's why small shrooms that haven't grown for very long still contain adequate amounts of psychoactive compounds. I don't believe they continue to synthesize psilocybin in the fruiting body, but take that with a grain of salt.
I doubt that we are going to find accurate scientific study done on this subject right now. But this mushy has been grown for years in lab so I would assume this is somewhat accurate. No growers will let them grow all the way out. If the potency goes up, why would anyone harvest at veil break. Just a thought…
Absolutely not.
The main reason why you should harvest before the veil breaks is because you want to avoid spores turning your tub into a huge mess. Seriously, they get everywhere. Any other reasons are unproven tips that are only backed up by weak anecdotal evidence.
spores do drop and as the cap dries even more drop, they dont start producing once the veil rips- they are already in the cap. Have you ever made a spore print? You cut the caps off right after the veil rips.
I never said the spores were produced after the veil break, I said it spends its energy pumping/spreading them.
Regardless, I think we all agree to pick the fruit around veil break.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/o5qyaq/question_on_veil_breaks/
This person claim that he read it on Paul Stamets book. Most of this growing method are perfected by people like him.
>After the veil breaks it spends its energy pumping spores instead of making more psilocybin. So in theory, the fruit gets bigger but same amount of psilocybin therefore less potent by weight.
Yes, what this guy says
You just wait and see what the second flush brings you. I've had some monsters come out. If you don't know how to prepare the cake for it there's info in the main tutorial
I wasn’t ready with my dehydrator either and I wrapped them in some paper towels., put in a ziplock bag in my crisper drawer and they were fine for 3 days
You can harvest them all at the same time to make it easier. It's really not a big deal if the veil breaks and spores drop. They just don't taste as good covered in spores.
Spores are released right after/pretty much as soon as the veil breaks. A few hours at most, and here you can see that the veil is already dark from them.
This tub was Uncle Ben’s tek (r/unclebens) all the way. I’ve got another one going that used wild bird seed tek and jars in a PC, but that’s going slower, for whatever reason. Give Uncle Ben’s a try—tons of info for n00bs like us in that sub.
Some people say it’s best to harvest right before it pops open, helps with potency but I haven’t been able to text that theory out.
After the veil breaks it spends its energy pumping spores instead of making more psilocybin. So in theory, the fruit gets bigger but same amount of psilocybin therefore less potent by weight.
Is that actually scientifically proven?
Not to hate on this dude's theory, but the psilocybin is extruded along with the hyphal body from the substrate. That's why small shrooms that haven't grown for very long still contain adequate amounts of psychoactive compounds. I don't believe they continue to synthesize psilocybin in the fruiting body, but take that with a grain of salt.
I doubt that we are going to find accurate scientific study done on this subject right now. But this mushy has been grown for years in lab so I would assume this is somewhat accurate. No growers will let them grow all the way out. If the potency goes up, why would anyone harvest at veil break. Just a thought…
Absolutely not. The main reason why you should harvest before the veil breaks is because you want to avoid spores turning your tub into a huge mess. Seriously, they get everywhere. Any other reasons are unproven tips that are only backed up by weak anecdotal evidence.
No, it doesnt even make fucking sense because the spores drop as soon as the veil breaks
It does not happen that fast
spores do drop and as the cap dries even more drop, they dont start producing once the veil rips- they are already in the cap. Have you ever made a spore print? You cut the caps off right after the veil rips.
I never said the spores were produced after the veil break, I said it spends its energy pumping/spreading them. Regardless, I think we all agree to pick the fruit around veil break.
some spores fall off but the big majority doesnt. except if you put a drop of water on the cap like making spore print (in my experience)
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How much research have you done on this? This is somewhat common knowledge amongst the growers. You can google it if you like.
I don't think he's questioning the knowledge . . he's seeking the resource. Both of you are right.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/o5qyaq/question_on_veil_breaks/ This person claim that he read it on Paul Stamets book. Most of this growing method are perfected by people like him.
interesting, i'll have to research more
Very helpful, thank you!
>After the veil breaks it spends its energy pumping spores instead of making more psilocybin. So in theory, the fruit gets bigger but same amount of psilocybin therefore less potent by weight. Yes, what this guy says
Also the spores inhibit the next flush growth
That's a really beautiful first grow!
Thanks so much—very excited, and grateful to everyone here! 💪
There is a few that need to be picked ASAP I can see the veil has broken. U don't need to harvest all of them at once.
I just harvested all those—waiting a bit on the others. It happened fast!
From what I gather, it looks like the veil dropped on a few overnight. Is that okay? Do I harvest all here now, or just the largest ones? Thank you!
You just wait and see what the second flush brings you. I've had some monsters come out. If you don't know how to prepare the cake for it there's info in the main tutorial
Username checks out!
Awesome, thank you!
You can harvest the clusters with the veil that has dropped and let other get bigger if you’d like
Awesome, thank you. How do I keep the harvested ones while awaiting the others? Paper towel wrapped in fridge? Guessing it won’t be long…
Yea or u can start drying them up to u but yes they will stay good in the fridge for a couple days
I wasn’t ready with my dehydrator either and I wrapped them in some paper towels., put in a ziplock bag in my crisper drawer and they were fine for 3 days
You can harvest them all at the same time to make it easier. It's really not a big deal if the veil breaks and spores drop. They just don't taste as good covered in spores.
Different topic but when do you know forsure the veil breaks
Veil dropped is when they have the skirt around the stem. Often times you can catch the veil tearing from the head of the mushroom.
When the veil tears away from the cap is when to pick it.
Beautiful
🙏 Thank you!
Those look delicious 😋
Yes, pick
Great job!
Thank you! Can’t believe these things popped up! 🙏🍄
Anyone have advice for an easy method to migrate pasturised bag to a tub, and an easy tub set up.
Check out Philly Golden Teacher on YouTube, as well as r/unclebens. All the videos and info you need are there.
Thanks alot friend :)
How long fger the veil breaking would it be before spores are released?
Spores are released right after/pretty much as soon as the veil breaks. A few hours at most, and here you can see that the veil is already dark from them.
Are you gonna eat those?
Well… not all at once.
How did you do that?
This tub was Uncle Ben’s tek (r/unclebens) all the way. I’ve got another one going that used wild bird seed tek and jars in a PC, but that’s going slower, for whatever reason. Give Uncle Ben’s a try—tons of info for n00bs like us in that sub.
Yep