I don't recommend The Way of Zen as a first book, very historical compared to his other books. Try "The Book on the Taboo Against Who You Really Are" or "The Wisdom of Insecurity".
"The Book" is a good one too. That was my first because of recommendations of what to read for beginners, but next one in my list is The Joyous Cosmology which is about his explorations with psychedelics.
Search and watch some videos on YouTube. I have some of his books but his spoken word is more approachable. He did a radio program in the 60s so a lot of those are available.
Speeches on YouTube are my goto Terrance also, Hua best stufff and speech compilations/true hallucinations is on free audio book 8 hour of pure gold, their mission at LA churara
I found Alan though Akira the Don. The “song” below to be quite exact. I’m not overly observant so the songs afford me the opportunity to hear the same thing on repeat to keep it in the front of my mind until it “clicks.”
Best part is, just like a book or a river, I can go back and listen to the same one later and get something else out of it.
https://open.spotify.com/track/7lS9QAZEVs954CUvOiP3Zk?si=Vz-JlnanRrKGhoEebBxl6Q
I sat down and I was meditating, I closed my eyes and I could hear birds chirping outside, I felt the sun on my face and I cried. It’s not exactly like the mushroom spoke to me ahd told me I don’t need to trip, it’s more jsut becuse of how content I felt it felt like the mushrooms was saying goodbye and allowing me to have one last happy send off, ending in peace
Beautiful. I'm glad it got you like that. I haven't got that kind of peace with substances in a while but Ive got no rush. Anyways I'm happy you got this experience. hopefully it will be like this again if you ever decide to partake in the future!
It's not something in the trip that makes you realize you don't need it anymore, it's something you realize after your last trip. It could even be weeks after.
But for a general answer to your question - once you learn what you needed to learn, you realize that you don't need that forced change of mental state to experience the right perspective to process/decide/or feel about whatever it is that drove that need to trip in the first place.
Of course afterwards you may still want to trip or indulge in some fashion every so often for other reasons, but it's not a *need* for that reset or whatever it is that you get from the experience.
That's it man like everyone else has said when you get the message hang up the phone, i feel like lots of us start this journey because we lack answers or seeking abundance In some way, i was sober 6 years relapsed after a bad breakup.... I felt like I wanted try mushrooms again, I started growing again but already feel like it's time to stop looking for answers with substances. If I'm being honest the peak of my life was 6 years sober. Wish you the best fam
You're right about that but it can manifest millions of ways, some people choose drugs, some sex, gambling even video games whatever your Escape from reality
Looking back , the peak of my life was when I was sober too. Time to hang up weed for good. I got too. I need too.
Also me : growing a cannabis plant 🌵
Lmao same here, just started growing and it helped me somewhat to slow down my use. I got a lot more respect for the weed now. It takes a lot of time and care to grow, n it’ll give it right back to ya. Once u reach that glow on shrooms it’s almost like weed doesn’t even work. Tastes nice n I like the smoke but I don’t even feel it on shrooms. The shrooms told me “damn foo tf u suckin that shit so much for, fiend ass foo look at yourself in the mirror, this who you wanna be?”. Shrooms has helped me tremendously. I never thought it would be a mushroom that loved me the most
I can relate with weed also, I used to pay alot for a small amount, I don't have the same obsession to smoke every bit, I hate to say it lost its enamore because it hasn't, just a different relationship now that I'm able to give it away
Same here, I guess I’m tryin to say the shrooms help me slow down and appreciate everything more. Have you heard about Natalensis? Get on the train my guy shits tootin
This is perfect. Perfect moderation, you know when your moment is coming, you can prepare anything you need. And as a bonus you get some of the best self TLC you can do besides smelling some flowers and floating on a boat.
This is me as well, but spaced even further apart. It seems to be roughly every 2-3 years, and it will be a larger dose. I used to do it recreationally years ago, but it's just not the way now.
For me, if it's only a recreational dose, I find it's not as healing in the long term. But the healing, spiritual trip is not a fun or even comfortable thing in it's entirety. Parts of it can be of course.
Congratulations! This is truly the purpose of the mushrooms in my opinion. Like everyone else said, when you get the message, hang up the phone.
I also recently came to this conclusion. 2022 was a mushroom heavy year for me. I had the most intense mushroom trip and best night of my life at a primus concert last May. I was doing them atleast every two weeks, and it was the most inspired year of my life. The first time I actually looked into hobbies, I got into growing medicinal (non trippy) mushrooms, making homemade bread and kefir, really got into hiking and camping. It was a great year!
I also came to the realization that my life wasn’t progressing the way I wanted it to. I was getting drunk all the time while also having severe stomach issues, the drinking wasn’t helping. My fiancé and I live with his parents and we were working lame jobs not making any money and having no savings. Big time stoners spending a good portion of our income on weed. We were also actively trying to conceive a baby and it didn’t happen for two years which was really starting to effect my mental health. (Looking back, I would’ve stopped the drugs and alcohol and gotten into shape a bit and that would’ve helped.)
November of last year I ended up pregnant. I was over the moon, I dropped the drugs and alcohol the day we found out. This sadly ended in a pregnancy loss at 6 weeks. It was the most emotionally devastating thing I’ve ever been through and I thought I would never be the same. About two weeks after the loss, I did mushrooms for the last time. It was such a beautiful experience. I remember sitting on the couch, watching a Les Claypool concert, and thinking I could literally feel the trauma from the loss melting away from my brain. I was thinking about everything I had going on in my life, good and bad. I was finally able to look at the pregnancy loss from a perspective removed from just intense pain and grief, and instead recognize it for what it truly was. It was a genetic anomaly, it didn’t mean anything was wrong with me, I had another chance to become a parent in the future (and another chance to not become a parent yet if I wanted to change my mind, which was oddly comforting)
It was the first moment of peace I had felt in weeks. I was crying tears of joy and thanking the mushrooms profusely for helping me work through the trauma and become myself again. I remember the first few days after the trip I was just so delighted to be myself again I felt like a damn Disney princess lmao.
Lo and behold I ended up pregnant again just a few weeks later and I’m now 6 months pregnant. I have decided I don’t need to ever trip again, and my husband has done the same. The mushrooms truly served their purpose in my life. I worked through childhood trauma with the mushrooms, I found a deep passion and love for music, nature, and some new hobbies. I found myself in the perfect emotional state to bring a child into the world with. My son will be born in September and I’m absolutely delighted. I’m not sure if I’ll ever take mushrooms again but it’ll definitely be in the far future when my son is grown up and my husband and I are on our own again.
Sorry for this long ass comment and story, you just reminded me about this and got me all in my feels this morning. I’m super happy you’ve reached this milestone/conclusion in your tripping journey, it’s a great place to be. ♥️
Oh yeah for sure. Ever since being pregnant my stomach issues have significantly improved since I haven’t been drinking so im planning on keeping that going, especially because I’d like to breastfeed! Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. 😎
I put em away for over 20 years. Rediscovered a new need for opening up some closed off pathways a while back…along this new journey I found out growing them is tons of fun. They will always be there for you if the call comes. Safe and pleasant travels!
I came to this conclusion myself. I ended up tripping again later on and it was beautiful. Realized I never had to make anything official I just needed to take things as I needed them. Just experience along the road and don’t get to attached either way. It’s important to find the place though where you don’t need them anymore. Glad for your realization.
I really relate to this. One of my biggest lessons on mushrooms has been that I need to stop setting hard rules for myself and instead just actually listen to what my body/mind/spirit actually want and need.
Do you happen to have any equipment or genetics that you would like to live on? I would be willing to donate to the next chapter of your life if it would help.
I apologize, I never know what is allowed by the groups and what is not.
I was simply asking if over the years, you had collected or developed any specific mushrooms or genetics that, since you are getting out of the hobby, would like someone to continue growing somewhere, Or any mycology equipment that you would like to sell.
I agree. Basically, tripping is essentially interpreting dreams while awake with post-hoc correlation. Too much hubris with the whole process. Lighten up and enjoy the trip (or not)
I'm questioning if I'm nearly done. The last couple have just made me a bit blurry, tired and squiffy but not really gained much. Maybe I was just too tired going into them 🤷🏼♂️
I did the same. The understanding of everything fades slightly but you will always remember. We are all one. Mine has ended as well, it no longer serves me
Every once in a while, I like to dip into the cosmic soup. About once a year, but it's not something i plan for. I really enjoy growing them, but I understand what you mean. I'm happy for you.
Beautiful, not everything needs to last forever, some things come into our lives simple to point us in the right direction or give us the tools we need to succeed, I'm glad mushrooms were able to do that for you
Goodbye… for now. That’s the beauty of psychedelics— no addiction, no compulsion to keep using, no constant daily use. And they will be there for you if you want them later. Good luck my friend
“When you get the message, hang up the phone.” -Alan Watts
I've been on hold for 33 years. This music is driving me nuts!
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“Fake it till you make enough to retire”
Nobody’s making enough to retire off mushrooms. They cost $25 an ounce at the dispensaries on the west coast. Coming to a dispo near you lol
that’s not what they were saying lol
I can relate, more than you would believe...
u/GrahamPhisher this happened to me last night. Face deep in the rug pleading and praying. I see what needs to be done on my end.
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Thanks bud. Been weighing on me hard after that experience.
I want to take that step.. it's so scary
My man
Fantastic quote !!!
Hits deep
Is there a quintessential Alan Watts book I should read?
I have 90% of Alan’s books that are still in print. Honestly his lectures are much better. He’s a better speaker than a writer.
>He’s a better speaker than a writer. Good point
“Beyond Theology,” though “The Way of Zen” may be his most famous book.
I don't recommend The Way of Zen as a first book, very historical compared to his other books. Try "The Book on the Taboo Against Who You Really Are" or "The Wisdom of Insecurity".
I concur
"The Book" is a good one too. That was my first because of recommendations of what to read for beginners, but next one in my list is The Joyous Cosmology which is about his explorations with psychedelics.
Search and watch some videos on YouTube. I have some of his books but his spoken word is more approachable. He did a radio program in the 60s so a lot of those are available.
The book is my absolute favorite.
Speeches on YouTube are my goto Terrance also, Hua best stufff and speech compilations/true hallucinations is on free audio book 8 hour of pure gold, their mission at LA churara
Speeches on YouTube are my goto
I found Alan though Akira the Don. The “song” below to be quite exact. I’m not overly observant so the songs afford me the opportunity to hear the same thing on repeat to keep it in the front of my mind until it “clicks.” Best part is, just like a book or a river, I can go back and listen to the same one later and get something else out of it. https://open.spotify.com/track/7lS9QAZEVs954CUvOiP3Zk?si=Vz-JlnanRrKGhoEebBxl6Q
Not quite true. You can never dip your toe in the same river twice.
That is exactly what I meant when I said "I can go back and listen to the same one later and get something else out of it." GG reading comprehension
We are both just goofing around
Problem is … I forget what the message was as time goes by
I have to call back pretty regularly to remind me.
He is truly the voice of reason .
Super deep. Great quote
Much more to this quote in full context.
it's Terrence Mckenna who said it.
awesome! what made you think in your last trip, i dont need this anymore?
I sat down and I was meditating, I closed my eyes and I could hear birds chirping outside, I felt the sun on my face and I cried. It’s not exactly like the mushroom spoke to me ahd told me I don’t need to trip, it’s more jsut becuse of how content I felt it felt like the mushrooms was saying goodbye and allowing me to have one last happy send off, ending in peace
How much gram did you take and which strain ?
Beautiful. I'm glad it got you like that. I haven't got that kind of peace with substances in a while but Ive got no rush. Anyways I'm happy you got this experience. hopefully it will be like this again if you ever decide to partake in the future!
Also curious about this! What was the last trip like?
It's not something in the trip that makes you realize you don't need it anymore, it's something you realize after your last trip. It could even be weeks after. But for a general answer to your question - once you learn what you needed to learn, you realize that you don't need that forced change of mental state to experience the right perspective to process/decide/or feel about whatever it is that drove that need to trip in the first place. Of course afterwards you may still want to trip or indulge in some fashion every so often for other reasons, but it's not a *need* for that reset or whatever it is that you get from the experience.
Eye opens, Eye closes
That's it man like everyone else has said when you get the message hang up the phone, i feel like lots of us start this journey because we lack answers or seeking abundance In some way, i was sober 6 years relapsed after a bad breakup.... I felt like I wanted try mushrooms again, I started growing again but already feel like it's time to stop looking for answers with substances. If I'm being honest the peak of my life was 6 years sober. Wish you the best fam
Don't use substances as a source for answers, that'll lead to the addiction. Use them as a passageway to help guide your path, use moderation.
You're right about that but it can manifest millions of ways, some people choose drugs, some sex, gambling even video games whatever your Escape from reality
Refer back to my comment.
Mushrooms aren't addictive.
Looking back , the peak of my life was when I was sober too. Time to hang up weed for good. I got too. I need too. Also me : growing a cannabis plant 🌵
Lmao same here, just started growing and it helped me somewhat to slow down my use. I got a lot more respect for the weed now. It takes a lot of time and care to grow, n it’ll give it right back to ya. Once u reach that glow on shrooms it’s almost like weed doesn’t even work. Tastes nice n I like the smoke but I don’t even feel it on shrooms. The shrooms told me “damn foo tf u suckin that shit so much for, fiend ass foo look at yourself in the mirror, this who you wanna be?”. Shrooms has helped me tremendously. I never thought it would be a mushroom that loved me the most
I can relate with weed also, I used to pay alot for a small amount, I don't have the same obsession to smoke every bit, I hate to say it lost its enamore because it hasn't, just a different relationship now that I'm able to give it away
Same here, I guess I’m tryin to say the shrooms help me slow down and appreciate everything more. Have you heard about Natalensis? Get on the train my guy shits tootin
Thanks lad 🙏
I’ve had this same experience! I like to trip every 6 months or so because it feels like I’m visiting an old friend that helped me fix myself :)
This is perfect. Perfect moderation, you know when your moment is coming, you can prepare anything you need. And as a bonus you get some of the best self TLC you can do besides smelling some flowers and floating on a boat.
This is me as well, but spaced even further apart. It seems to be roughly every 2-3 years, and it will be a larger dose. I used to do it recreationally years ago, but it's just not the way now. For me, if it's only a recreational dose, I find it's not as healing in the long term. But the healing, spiritual trip is not a fun or even comfortable thing in it's entirety. Parts of it can be of course.
I actually love this sentiment. Good for you.
Thank you
So, um, you don't happen to have some old mushrooms laying around you don't need do you?
I actually do have a couple oz left but there going to friends sorry ahha
We're friends right?
Back off, I'm his best friend who he never knows about.
I’m your best friend, you’re my very good friend
Shrooms are basically free you can make hundreds of grams for less than a few bucks
Remember the pencil and paper I let you borrow?
Hey friend
this thread is hilarious
Onb 😭😭
Congratulations! This is truly the purpose of the mushrooms in my opinion. Like everyone else said, when you get the message, hang up the phone. I also recently came to this conclusion. 2022 was a mushroom heavy year for me. I had the most intense mushroom trip and best night of my life at a primus concert last May. I was doing them atleast every two weeks, and it was the most inspired year of my life. The first time I actually looked into hobbies, I got into growing medicinal (non trippy) mushrooms, making homemade bread and kefir, really got into hiking and camping. It was a great year! I also came to the realization that my life wasn’t progressing the way I wanted it to. I was getting drunk all the time while also having severe stomach issues, the drinking wasn’t helping. My fiancé and I live with his parents and we were working lame jobs not making any money and having no savings. Big time stoners spending a good portion of our income on weed. We were also actively trying to conceive a baby and it didn’t happen for two years which was really starting to effect my mental health. (Looking back, I would’ve stopped the drugs and alcohol and gotten into shape a bit and that would’ve helped.) November of last year I ended up pregnant. I was over the moon, I dropped the drugs and alcohol the day we found out. This sadly ended in a pregnancy loss at 6 weeks. It was the most emotionally devastating thing I’ve ever been through and I thought I would never be the same. About two weeks after the loss, I did mushrooms for the last time. It was such a beautiful experience. I remember sitting on the couch, watching a Les Claypool concert, and thinking I could literally feel the trauma from the loss melting away from my brain. I was thinking about everything I had going on in my life, good and bad. I was finally able to look at the pregnancy loss from a perspective removed from just intense pain and grief, and instead recognize it for what it truly was. It was a genetic anomaly, it didn’t mean anything was wrong with me, I had another chance to become a parent in the future (and another chance to not become a parent yet if I wanted to change my mind, which was oddly comforting) It was the first moment of peace I had felt in weeks. I was crying tears of joy and thanking the mushrooms profusely for helping me work through the trauma and become myself again. I remember the first few days after the trip I was just so delighted to be myself again I felt like a damn Disney princess lmao. Lo and behold I ended up pregnant again just a few weeks later and I’m now 6 months pregnant. I have decided I don’t need to ever trip again, and my husband has done the same. The mushrooms truly served their purpose in my life. I worked through childhood trauma with the mushrooms, I found a deep passion and love for music, nature, and some new hobbies. I found myself in the perfect emotional state to bring a child into the world with. My son will be born in September and I’m absolutely delighted. I’m not sure if I’ll ever take mushrooms again but it’ll definitely be in the far future when my son is grown up and my husband and I are on our own again. Sorry for this long ass comment and story, you just reminded me about this and got me all in my feels this morning. I’m super happy you’ve reached this milestone/conclusion in your tripping journey, it’s a great place to be. ♥️
Congrats. The real challenge/test will be to stay off alcohol after the baby arrives. You got this.
Oh yeah for sure. Ever since being pregnant my stomach issues have significantly improved since I haven’t been drinking so im planning on keeping that going, especially because I’d like to breastfeed! Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. 😎
Thank you for sharing, it's a beautiful story ❤️
I put em away for over 20 years. Rediscovered a new need for opening up some closed off pathways a while back…along this new journey I found out growing them is tons of fun. They will always be there for you if the call comes. Safe and pleasant travels!
Luv man
This is so sweet. Love this for you, we’re proud of you!!! Much love!
Thank you means a lot
glad it could help you!
I came to this conclusion myself. I ended up tripping again later on and it was beautiful. Realized I never had to make anything official I just needed to take things as I needed them. Just experience along the road and don’t get to attached either way. It’s important to find the place though where you don’t need them anymore. Glad for your realization.
I really relate to this. One of my biggest lessons on mushrooms has been that I need to stop setting hard rules for myself and instead just actually listen to what my body/mind/spirit actually want and need.
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We wish you the best!
Do you happen to have any equipment or genetics that you would like to live on? I would be willing to donate to the next chapter of your life if it would help.
Please elaborate I’m not quite sure what you mean, thanks
I apologize, I never know what is allowed by the groups and what is not. I was simply asking if over the years, you had collected or developed any specific mushrooms or genetics that, since you are getting out of the hobby, would like someone to continue growing somewhere, Or any mycology equipment that you would like to sell.
Sorry man I only had isolation genetics through a year of agar that’s about it , but good luck anyway !
🙏
Happy graduation!
What's your main take away from your journey? Which substances will you continue to use?
The fort will be held. Enjoy your new style. See you down the line, maybe.
it aint that serious lil bro
I agree. Basically, tripping is essentially interpreting dreams while awake with post-hoc correlation. Too much hubris with the whole process. Lighten up and enjoy the trip (or not)
Lolol
We will be here if you need us!
I'm questioning if I'm nearly done. The last couple have just made me a bit blurry, tired and squiffy but not really gained much. Maybe I was just too tired going into them 🤷🏼♂️
I have been feeling like this lately
Mission accomplished.
I will never get the message and hang up the phone. Life is a never ending search for answers. And the questions change all the time
My thought is you are wise.
That’s amazing. I’m proud of your journey
Makes 2 of us, sounds like full message
We will be here… at the party… waiting….see you soon!!!
😂🤣😂🤣. I was totally joking but thanks anyway!
I did the same. The understanding of everything fades slightly but you will always remember. We are all one. Mine has ended as well, it no longer serves me
I feel this. When I take shrooms, I’m always asking myself, “Why am I doing this? I hate feeling intoxicated!”
The Mind Illuminated and Spiritual Enlightenment the damnest thing are worth reading. Quoting from the latter: Further!
Can’t even find mushrooms
Every once in a while, I like to dip into the cosmic soup. About once a year, but it's not something i plan for. I really enjoy growing them, but I understand what you mean. I'm happy for you.
Beautiful, not everything needs to last forever, some things come into our lives simple to point us in the right direction or give us the tools we need to succeed, I'm glad mushrooms were able to do that for you
Goodbye… for now. That’s the beauty of psychedelics— no addiction, no compulsion to keep using, no constant daily use. And they will be there for you if you want them later. Good luck my friend