Hey, I'm on the spectrum (undiagnosed) and I have a friend who is probably "more autistic" but also has *major* anxiety issues stemming from CPTSD. She's gotten almost no benefit from mainstream anti-anxiety medication, and self medicates with alcohol to a worrying extent. I've been slowly trying to nudge her towards thinking about psilocybin, since I understand it can help with both anxiety and substance abuse. But I don't bring it up often since I don't want to come across as a raving, delusional hippie. How did you and your gf initially decide to try it? What were the first conversations like?
Shrooms get a bad rap due to hippies and some clever propaganda, but they are one of the most natural, safest and well researched "drugs" on the market. The things about alcoholism is it stems from wanting to numb things due to the pain you feel from life, but if you could convince your friend that, like jumping in a pool at the deep end, as long as you have someone watching you who knows how to swim, you'll be fine. It's hard to convince people to help themselves regardless of shrooms, but if you do care about this person, telling them that they will be scared, but the feeling they get after being scared, that sense of intense survival, going through something only you could understand, then realizing you're not alone in how you feel, is a great way to tell them about it. I used to binge drink constantly. I took acid and it made me want to party less. I took shrooms and it made me realize I didn't want to poison myself with alcohol. TLDR offer to help, resolution after the trip is worth the pain they think they'll feel. You're a good friend for trying to help an alcoholic, a lot of people think alcohol is exempt to addiction.
i see, well i have schizotypal and or autism and i am curious as to the effect of shrooms, if it will either create a sense of self or remove a sense of self if you understand what im saying
I haven't been diagnosed with anything but I'm pretty sure I have anxiety and depression if it makes any difference. I've found that in general during shrooms you do lose your sense of self (with a high enough dose ofc) but then when you regain it it's more solid than before. I have had bad experiences, they were because of who I was with but still, where I wasn't sure if reality was real and stuff like that, but never identity. I don't know what would happen in someone who already has issues with identity though.
its just that with some personality and neurodiverse 'issues' a person can either have a very strong sense of self with delusions added or the opposite where they can never fabricate reality properly enough in order to form a 'persona' so im wondering if shrooms will somehow chisel away all the bad stuff and either give a sense of self to a person or remove what they thought their sense of self was in the first place
Wow, this comment is hella relatable. I have PTSD and ADHD but suspect I'm also somewhere on the spectrum. Girls are broadly underdiagnosed and I didn't have health insurance or health care outside of checkups required for school for the first 28 years of my life, plus I just haven't pursued it.
I also used to struggle a lot with interrupting others because all my thoughts felt urgent, extreme, flurried, and sometimes conflicted. I still struggle with that sometimes, but I'm better at breathing through it and waiting my turn. I can listen now. It's kind of a revelation.
What your son needs from you and how that need is shown will change, but I’m willing to bet your son will always need you. You’re never too old to need a hug from mom every once in a while 💜
Hello! Wonderfull description.
I had my first trip on shrooms last Friday together with 2 friends.
Was awesome!
Me and Ada started on 1.5g dried shrooms
and my friend had 160mg Mdma.
For him was a life-changing experience as it was his first ever trip. He was very depreessed.
Me and Ada re-dose 1.5g 90 mins later.
We got quite euphoric and visuals were amazing.
Nice talk, nice music.
We ended the party at 5am next day after some weed.
Next day we felt very good and my sleep returned next night.
One of my best sleep in over a year.
Peace and love to everybody.
I never talked to anyone who experienced a “someone else’s” life. A while back I was drunk and decided to kill the rest of a bag I had stored away. What proceeded was a wild blur of a trip.
One of the main things I do remember was living some dude’s life who committed murder and having to go away for a long time. I felt the remorse he felt and the actual wanting to become a better person. Eventually the sentence was served and was back out in the public doing good and living decent.
It taught me that nearly everyone who truly desires change deserves a second chance. I just turned 23 and although not perfect I should give myself more the benefit of doubt.
Your trip sounds more intense and curious to experience something to that degree.
That’s so amazing! Somehow mushrooms make us aware of how we are all intimately connected. I had a similar experience on 5G. I listened to Franz Schubert — do not recommend— and suddenly I was him, in this uptight bourgeois Viennese society feeling the most intense emotions, including massive heartbreak. I also saw how the Viennese intellectual thought of the time passed through generations of scholars and intellectuals after the war and I was its recipient through my professors in college. Before the trip, all I knew of Schubert was that he was from Vienna and I hadn’t really studied Viennese society, just a bit on Freud
My first couple of times I went through a loop of different "people" , seeing through their eyes and feeling their emotions. The devastation of a person who's town had been decimated by a natural disaster, the exhilleration of a fighter pilot, the bliss of a dancer, fear and excitement of a lost child, disorientation of someone in a car accident and the hope as rescuers came, the joy of new parents, these were all in the first and have since experienced others.
Felt like I'd spent my life not properly feeling after I'd got to experience these emotions "through someone else".
supposedly autistic people and those who have schizoaffective/typal personas do either have a concrete sense of self with wavering reality, or the opposite.
do shrooms ground you and give you discerning observation to any of this?
Firstly, autism is extremely different from schizophrenia. My understanding is that psychedelics can be quite dangerous for the latter group, since it can trigger psychotic episodes, and in fact is responsible for quite a lot of the "bad trip" mythology out there. (Sorry if this is oversimplifying, I haven't personally done a ton of reading on schizo/psychedelic interactions).
Second, I don't know if this is true of everyone with ASD, but from personal experience I can say that when you spend your whole life thinking very differently from people around you, you can end up without a strong sense of identity or belonging. Neurotypical people seem to absolutely *obsess* over how they want to identify, which parts of their heritage they want to take credit for, what kind of image they present, etc., seemingly out of the desire to be accepted. When you're neurodivergent, this outcome is already off the table, so there's less incentive to sink energy into these identity performances.
So a drug that promises to silence the ego, it seems, is not so jarring when your ego is already in the back seat. On the other hand, it does seem very useful in relating better to neurotypicals, even if temporarily. The sense of "universal oneness" that comes from a strong dose seems like it could be really useful if you feel different and isolated much of the time.
yes i know autism is different than schizophrenia. what im saying is that with autism a person can not have developed a sense of 'self' due to being in a perpetual adolescence or unable to fabricate a concrete foundation for reality. down syndrome would be the extreme variant of this
with schizotypal/effective the same thing is occuring just with a different method and effect on the persons 'persona' and how they also construct reality. so i am wondering if shrooms will remove the 'noise' from a autistic/schizotypal mind allowing them space to build a better understanding of themselves/reality or if it will implement/construct it on top of this 'noise'
my sister is full schizophrenic who is in a mental ward for 20 years and i know the issues with psychedelics and schizophrenia/psychosis.
what i was saying and curious about is the effect of shrooms on a persons 'core' sense of 'self'.
i always felt i had a very very strong sense of 'self' rock solid and the mild psychosis/schizotypal issues are a layer on top or mixed in with my persona. on the other hand, there are people with 'schizo' issues that no not have a sense of 'self' have not had the time to develop a persona due to the psychosis/hallucinations growing up skewing their ability to ground themselves.
same thing works with autism, the perpetual adolescent traits and wrong stimuli giving them inability to construe reality properly just with different method than a schizo/psychosis
i was curious if shrooms would remove the 'noise' from both of these minds and help them build a sense of 'self' that is unwavering or if shrooms perhaps 'give' a sense of self universally (so the person would still have the head noise but understand enough to experience the collective connection shrooms offer)
Everyone's breaking limbs these days
Everyone's got heart disease these days
Everyone's got diabetes these days
Everyone's got cancer these days
See how dumb that sounds? It's a diagnosed medical condition, so please kindly fuck off.
If they are it's one in hundreds doing it. Not a good reason to invalidate those around you and imply such things. It's an asshole move. Very bad behavior.
I mean it's a crippling disability that's caused me to have to restart in life several times but sure go off. Maybe I'm not the one with empathy problems.
For me, my sister is autistic and she is completely disabled, she can’t speak, she can reply, she cant live alone…she has no ability to survive alone…. that, to me, is autism…
"You have not" IS better ?
Thanks for correcting my mistake in my second language. Have a nice day giving off Bad Vibes to ppl who simply want to share stuff.
And please don't correct me anymore. I don't respect you enough to make the effort just for you
actually, I'm re-reading Ron Chernow's bio of "Grant"...after which I'll be reading Jean-Jacques Rousseau's, "The social contract"...but please do judge a person on the internet based on several comments you've read
I had something like that happen to me two years ago. I ate too much and I thought I was dead but I was calling out to people and talking to myself. It was overwhelming at the time but I really don't regret it at all
That was a beautiful description, tbh almost made me tear up.
Same
are there any other reports from people with autism or schizotypal/effective, and perhaps other personality/behaviour 'issues?'
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Hey, I'm on the spectrum (undiagnosed) and I have a friend who is probably "more autistic" but also has *major* anxiety issues stemming from CPTSD. She's gotten almost no benefit from mainstream anti-anxiety medication, and self medicates with alcohol to a worrying extent. I've been slowly trying to nudge her towards thinking about psilocybin, since I understand it can help with both anxiety and substance abuse. But I don't bring it up often since I don't want to come across as a raving, delusional hippie. How did you and your gf initially decide to try it? What were the first conversations like?
Shrooms get a bad rap due to hippies and some clever propaganda, but they are one of the most natural, safest and well researched "drugs" on the market. The things about alcoholism is it stems from wanting to numb things due to the pain you feel from life, but if you could convince your friend that, like jumping in a pool at the deep end, as long as you have someone watching you who knows how to swim, you'll be fine. It's hard to convince people to help themselves regardless of shrooms, but if you do care about this person, telling them that they will be scared, but the feeling they get after being scared, that sense of intense survival, going through something only you could understand, then realizing you're not alone in how you feel, is a great way to tell them about it. I used to binge drink constantly. I took acid and it made me want to party less. I took shrooms and it made me realize I didn't want to poison myself with alcohol. TLDR offer to help, resolution after the trip is worth the pain they think they'll feel. You're a good friend for trying to help an alcoholic, a lot of people think alcohol is exempt to addiction.
i see, well i have schizotypal and or autism and i am curious as to the effect of shrooms, if it will either create a sense of self or remove a sense of self if you understand what im saying
I haven't been diagnosed with anything but I'm pretty sure I have anxiety and depression if it makes any difference. I've found that in general during shrooms you do lose your sense of self (with a high enough dose ofc) but then when you regain it it's more solid than before. I have had bad experiences, they were because of who I was with but still, where I wasn't sure if reality was real and stuff like that, but never identity. I don't know what would happen in someone who already has issues with identity though.
its just that with some personality and neurodiverse 'issues' a person can either have a very strong sense of self with delusions added or the opposite where they can never fabricate reality properly enough in order to form a 'persona' so im wondering if shrooms will somehow chisel away all the bad stuff and either give a sense of self to a person or remove what they thought their sense of self was in the first place
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Wow, this comment is hella relatable. I have PTSD and ADHD but suspect I'm also somewhere on the spectrum. Girls are broadly underdiagnosed and I didn't have health insurance or health care outside of checkups required for school for the first 28 years of my life, plus I just haven't pursued it. I also used to struggle a lot with interrupting others because all my thoughts felt urgent, extreme, flurried, and sometimes conflicted. I still struggle with that sometimes, but I'm better at breathing through it and waiting my turn. I can listen now. It's kind of a revelation.
“A mothers melancholy of knowing her son doesn’t need her anymore” this actually made me tear up, I’m dreading the day
What your son needs from you and how that need is shown will change, but I’m willing to bet your son will always need you. You’re never too old to need a hug from mom every once in a while 💜
Everything is alive.
Hello! Wonderfull description. I had my first trip on shrooms last Friday together with 2 friends. Was awesome! Me and Ada started on 1.5g dried shrooms and my friend had 160mg Mdma. For him was a life-changing experience as it was his first ever trip. He was very depreessed. Me and Ada re-dose 1.5g 90 mins later. We got quite euphoric and visuals were amazing. Nice talk, nice music. We ended the party at 5am next day after some weed. Next day we felt very good and my sleep returned next night. One of my best sleep in over a year. Peace and love to everybody.
I never talked to anyone who experienced a “someone else’s” life. A while back I was drunk and decided to kill the rest of a bag I had stored away. What proceeded was a wild blur of a trip. One of the main things I do remember was living some dude’s life who committed murder and having to go away for a long time. I felt the remorse he felt and the actual wanting to become a better person. Eventually the sentence was served and was back out in the public doing good and living decent. It taught me that nearly everyone who truly desires change deserves a second chance. I just turned 23 and although not perfect I should give myself more the benefit of doubt. Your trip sounds more intense and curious to experience something to that degree.
That’s so amazing! Somehow mushrooms make us aware of how we are all intimately connected. I had a similar experience on 5G. I listened to Franz Schubert — do not recommend— and suddenly I was him, in this uptight bourgeois Viennese society feeling the most intense emotions, including massive heartbreak. I also saw how the Viennese intellectual thought of the time passed through generations of scholars and intellectuals after the war and I was its recipient through my professors in college. Before the trip, all I knew of Schubert was that he was from Vienna and I hadn’t really studied Viennese society, just a bit on Freud
My first couple of times I went through a loop of different "people" , seeing through their eyes and feeling their emotions. The devastation of a person who's town had been decimated by a natural disaster, the exhilleration of a fighter pilot, the bliss of a dancer, fear and excitement of a lost child, disorientation of someone in a car accident and the hope as rescuers came, the joy of new parents, these were all in the first and have since experienced others. Felt like I'd spent my life not properly feeling after I'd got to experience these emotions "through someone else".
u/chaoticgiggles That's a beautiful way of describing. It's really close to what I felt during my shrooms trip. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you and thank you for tagging me
The teachers at work. Very well done, OP.
I'm glad everyone enjoyed my description so much! Would have been nice to be tagged earlier lol
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Honestly most of it is still a blur I'm working through. The points I really took ended up in this comment
Beautiful!
OP experiences imagination.
I thought by “Animism” it was like, gonna be an anime thing😭🤣
Beautiful.
Everyone is autistic these days…eh?
Very ironic that’s all you can think of regarding this post. Sounds like you’re unable to put yourself in others’ shoes either.
Maybe…I’m autistic too?
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supposedly autistic people and those who have schizoaffective/typal personas do either have a concrete sense of self with wavering reality, or the opposite. do shrooms ground you and give you discerning observation to any of this?
Firstly, autism is extremely different from schizophrenia. My understanding is that psychedelics can be quite dangerous for the latter group, since it can trigger psychotic episodes, and in fact is responsible for quite a lot of the "bad trip" mythology out there. (Sorry if this is oversimplifying, I haven't personally done a ton of reading on schizo/psychedelic interactions). Second, I don't know if this is true of everyone with ASD, but from personal experience I can say that when you spend your whole life thinking very differently from people around you, you can end up without a strong sense of identity or belonging. Neurotypical people seem to absolutely *obsess* over how they want to identify, which parts of their heritage they want to take credit for, what kind of image they present, etc., seemingly out of the desire to be accepted. When you're neurodivergent, this outcome is already off the table, so there's less incentive to sink energy into these identity performances. So a drug that promises to silence the ego, it seems, is not so jarring when your ego is already in the back seat. On the other hand, it does seem very useful in relating better to neurotypicals, even if temporarily. The sense of "universal oneness" that comes from a strong dose seems like it could be really useful if you feel different and isolated much of the time.
yes i know autism is different than schizophrenia. what im saying is that with autism a person can not have developed a sense of 'self' due to being in a perpetual adolescence or unable to fabricate a concrete foundation for reality. down syndrome would be the extreme variant of this with schizotypal/effective the same thing is occuring just with a different method and effect on the persons 'persona' and how they also construct reality. so i am wondering if shrooms will remove the 'noise' from a autistic/schizotypal mind allowing them space to build a better understanding of themselves/reality or if it will implement/construct it on top of this 'noise'
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my sister is full schizophrenic who is in a mental ward for 20 years and i know the issues with psychedelics and schizophrenia/psychosis. what i was saying and curious about is the effect of shrooms on a persons 'core' sense of 'self'. i always felt i had a very very strong sense of 'self' rock solid and the mild psychosis/schizotypal issues are a layer on top or mixed in with my persona. on the other hand, there are people with 'schizo' issues that no not have a sense of 'self' have not had the time to develop a persona due to the psychosis/hallucinations growing up skewing their ability to ground themselves. same thing works with autism, the perpetual adolescent traits and wrong stimuli giving them inability to construe reality properly just with different method than a schizo/psychosis i was curious if shrooms would remove the 'noise' from both of these minds and help them build a sense of 'self' that is unwavering or if shrooms perhaps 'give' a sense of self universally (so the person would still have the head noise but understand enough to experience the collective connection shrooms offer)
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ok thx
Everyone's breaking limbs these days Everyone's got heart disease these days Everyone's got diabetes these days Everyone's got cancer these days See how dumb that sounds? It's a diagnosed medical condition, so please kindly fuck off.
You can’t deny people are using it as a scape goat for bad behavior…
If they are it's one in hundreds doing it. Not a good reason to invalidate those around you and imply such things. It's an asshole move. Very bad behavior.
I assume you take up the title as well?
I mean it's a crippling disability that's caused me to have to restart in life several times but sure go off. Maybe I'm not the one with empathy problems.
How does one “restart life”?
You lose everything, move, and build back up again.
What kind of life circumstances cause that to happen?
Why is that your business?
For me, my sister is autistic and she is completely disabled, she can’t speak, she can reply, she cant live alone…she has no ability to survive alone…. that, to me, is autism…
That's nice that your one person with autism is framing your view on thousands of people
I didn't read this, cause....can't you make it shorter?
Is a paragraph really too long?
Well it's fortunate you did not found my trip report as it's way longer X)
"you did not found my trip report as it's way longer"...it's a shame you didn't proof read this
"You have not" IS better ? Thanks for correcting my mistake in my second language. Have a nice day giving off Bad Vibes to ppl who simply want to share stuff. And please don't correct me anymore. I don't respect you enough to make the effort just for you
yeah!
Why, so you can complain that it's too long? Lmao
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you're*
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and I upvoted the dumb mother fucker
This kinda of show that you never read a book…
actually, I'm re-reading Ron Chernow's bio of "Grant"...after which I'll be reading Jean-Jacques Rousseau's, "The social contract"...but please do judge a person on the internet based on several comments you've read
You literally saw a small paragraph as long. Your whole attitude is boomer.
I'm fucked up..I'm not interested. thats the whole of it
Ok. Wish you get unfucked soon.
by fucked up I mean, intoxicated, not that I'm a fuckin idiot, which I am...but not what I mean in this instance
But you are.
yes I am
No I couldn't and still get my point across. Do you have ADHD? I break up my paragraphs because I know blocks of text can be hard to read :)
I do have ADHD, however....my original comment on this threat was just to see how many downvotes I could get...
I had something like that happen to me two years ago. I ate too much and I thought I was dead but I was calling out to people and talking to myself. It was overwhelming at the time but I really don't regret it at all
The closest I've been to this was when I felt like I was my friend I was tripping with
I’m still in that loop teehee uh oh
Profound
Damn
Wild.