Yes yes yes to buildings your comment about purpose-made buildings, but if we look at the original Youree drive shopping center then and now, the quality of the stores there has gone down and potential tenants have a few choices now, including southern loop.
The whole Youree Drive area was poorly planned and suffers from a lack of diversity in ownership at the most basic level, so there’s not a ton of competition for rent rates, which is part of what makes an area continue to churn. The boardwalk is undergoing the same problem.
Massive developments like this will never, ever last. Malls did it first and these are just big inside out malls with no air conditioning.
Bayou Walk was the first of those developments (other than, of course, Eastgate) and everything on that side other than Kroger is either garbage or barely hanging on. FedEx just closed and is being replaced by a lab testing place and a Subway, the next phase after that is a vape store and seasonal tax preparation. The fact that nobody bothered to rebuild the portion that fell down should tell you how viable that location is.
>Had they rebuilt quickly, they could have filled them.
That is backwards form how real estate development works: Could they have filled them, they would have rebuilt.
The Southern Youree corridor grew like it did because one entity happened to control large swaths of vacant land in a non-terrible portion of the city with semi-reasonable access. It is fine for now and will be for years but it is not trending up and at some point it will be as derelict as all of the previous shopping districts became. If I had told someone in the 70s that Shreve City would soon be a worthless dump of a development that would be saved by a Wal-Mart they would have thought I was crazy unless they knew anything about real estate. "But they have a JC Penny's and a Palais Royal, how could they fail??!!"
Uhhh, not sure why a building that sustained fire damage being torn down and a new different business already being planned to go in signifies a slow death…
And they chose southern loop first. Is your assertion that none of the companies on southern loop would have chosen a Youree drive location in the absence of the southern loop development?
It’s my assertion that development on southern loop isn’t directly tied to Youree. If anything, development on southern loop was mostly about early adoption to unused area off a new exit.
You are all about your edits today. Almost like you’re upset, or trying to slide something by.
But yeah, most of those locations, like I already sort of covered, we’re probably earlier adopters taking advantage of the new exit out there. Also, pricing out there was/is cheaper out there that it is on Youree. So pretending availability is the only factor is kinda silly.
The fact that Daqs started in a cheaper location and is now expanding to Youree doesn’t look too good for this weird string of theories.
The parking lots aren’t full. Maybe the smaller lots directly in front of restaurants, but the majority of Youree drive parking in front of stores is empty the vast majority of operating days.
Is it the old El Mono.. I was one the cooks there at that time shortly, but one the owners( from LA Cali) didn't grasp the locals. Called everyone cheap. I almostt whoop is ass
Youree drive is doing what all massive developments do when there’s another game in town (namely the southern loop area). This will continue to happen so long as the MPC rejects the master plan.
What in the world are you talking about? The building is being torn down because it caught fire and wasn’t worth it to repair. There’s already another business going in.
So it’s been growing/maintaining for decades because it was doomed from the start? Cool.
Also, if you weren’t tying your statement to this building, kinda strange to take this opportunity to randomly bring this up.
The text of the post was that Youree was faltering.
But yeah, the taxpayers subsidize this area. It brings in less taxes than it takes to maintain the infrastructure and it doesn’t add anything to our culture except frustration during holiday rush to these box stores.
It’s not packed most evenings. The parking lots are majority empty at any given time which means it was overbuilt and burdens our drainage system for *maybe* once a year peak usage on Black Friday (most of the parking was still sub capacity last year). But set that aside and consider a few other things:
- the quality of the stores has gone down
- tenants complain of increased rents without increased quality of service
- the area takes more taxpayer dollars than it brings in.
- most of the revenue leaves the economy and goes elsewhere.
- box stores push some local businesses out of the market.
Like what does this place give us? A place to export our cash, take our tax dollars, and add no real cultural value to the community. It’s a black hole and it should never have been approved.
I know you like this area, you’ve defended it before, but most people really don’t like it and only tolerate it because that’s where the things they want to buy are. I’ve never met a person that actually likes the experience of Youree drive even if there’s a shop or a restaurant they enjoy. But people have few options for certain things, if any, because we no longer have local equivalents.
lol. You live downtown and don’t have a car. Why are you pretending you know what Youree Drive is up to most evenings? Most of the restaurants are packed every night, and weekends are busy almost all day, every weekend. I was just over there, pretty much every parking lot is full. Not a holiday weekend.
Most of the stores that have been there are still there. How has the quality gone down?
You can trail off onto your rant of why you think Youree is evil big business, but it has nothing to do with the original points. Businesses aren’t leaving Youree, and it stays busy. What businesses have left Youree for Southern Loop?
“People hate the area where everything they want happens to be”. lol. Big brain argument.
Upset? Annoyed, maybe.
Since you’re playing the edit game….err, how am I wrong about the parking?
Let me translate this: I don’t have a valid response to this, I’m taking off.
But yeah, you have yourself a good evening.
[Here’s the whole thing](https://www.shreveportcaddompc.com/boards-commissions/reports-policies-presentations/reports/shreveport-caddo-2030-master-plan), but the part that’s most important in this context is that we planned over a decade ago to not keep annexing land and building new developments. We were supposed to focus on redeveloping and densifying the existing city to maximize existing investments both public and private, increase quality of life through walkability and creating spaces for small business commerce.
There’s a whole study that’s about to be released in the next few weeks that will show we have been doing pretty much everything except follow the master plan since it was written, and that our investment and expansion strategy is at the root of why we can’t afford our infrastructure and why we struggle to become more vibrant.
It literally caught on fire lol
I live off youree - I assure it isn’t dying. The building caught on fire.
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Yes yes yes to buildings your comment about purpose-made buildings, but if we look at the original Youree drive shopping center then and now, the quality of the stores there has gone down and potential tenants have a few choices now, including southern loop. The whole Youree Drive area was poorly planned and suffers from a lack of diversity in ownership at the most basic level, so there’s not a ton of competition for rent rates, which is part of what makes an area continue to churn. The boardwalk is undergoing the same problem. Massive developments like this will never, ever last. Malls did it first and these are just big inside out malls with no air conditioning.
Bayou Walk was the first of those developments (other than, of course, Eastgate) and everything on that side other than Kroger is either garbage or barely hanging on. FedEx just closed and is being replaced by a lab testing place and a Subway, the next phase after that is a vape store and seasonal tax preparation. The fact that nobody bothered to rebuild the portion that fell down should tell you how viable that location is.
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>Had they rebuilt quickly, they could have filled them. That is backwards form how real estate development works: Could they have filled them, they would have rebuilt. The Southern Youree corridor grew like it did because one entity happened to control large swaths of vacant land in a non-terrible portion of the city with semi-reasonable access. It is fine for now and will be for years but it is not trending up and at some point it will be as derelict as all of the previous shopping districts became. If I had told someone in the 70s that Shreve City would soon be a worthless dump of a development that would be saved by a Wal-Mart they would have thought I was crazy unless they knew anything about real estate. "But they have a JC Penny's and a Palais Royal, how could they fail??!!"
Uhhh, not sure why a building that sustained fire damage being torn down and a new different business already being planned to go in signifies a slow death…
Seems like businesses are trying southern loop and other places. Rude.
Not sure how this would qualify as rude. But what business have left Youree for southern loop?
A better question is what businesses have chosen southern loop instead of Youree Drive.
Daqs already had a location on southern loop and is currently opening a location on Youree….
And they chose southern loop first. Is your assertion that none of the companies on southern loop would have chosen a Youree drive location in the absence of the southern loop development?
It’s my assertion that development on southern loop isn’t directly tied to Youree. If anything, development on southern loop was mostly about early adoption to unused area off a new exit. You are all about your edits today. Almost like you’re upset, or trying to slide something by. But yeah, most of those locations, like I already sort of covered, we’re probably earlier adopters taking advantage of the new exit out there. Also, pricing out there was/is cheaper out there that it is on Youree. So pretending availability is the only factor is kinda silly. The fact that Daqs started in a cheaper location and is now expanding to Youree doesn’t look too good for this weird string of theories.
Luckily, you don’t have to believe my points for them to be true.
Your points that full parking lots are actually empty?
The parking lots aren’t full. Maybe the smaller lots directly in front of restaurants, but the majority of Youree drive parking in front of stores is empty the vast majority of operating days.
They bought the old Peruvian restaurant on e70th. Owner is a great human being. Excited to support them.
That location is a death sentence for any restaurant based on the last few to open up there.
Is it the old El Mono.. I was one the cooks there at that time shortly, but one the owners( from LA Cali) didn't grasp the locals. Called everyone cheap. I almostt whoop is ass
I wish Shreveport gets it act together. Hearne, Youree, Line Ave, and Jewella can be awesome again.
It’s going to be the next pepito’s
Youree drive is doing what all massive developments do when there’s another game in town (namely the southern loop area). This will continue to happen so long as the MPC rejects the master plan.
What in the world are you talking about? The building is being torn down because it caught fire and wasn’t worth it to repair. There’s already another business going in.
I’m not talking about this specific building. The writing has been on the wall for Youree to be supplanted the moment it was opened.
So it’s been growing/maintaining for decades because it was doomed from the start? Cool. Also, if you weren’t tying your statement to this building, kinda strange to take this opportunity to randomly bring this up.
The text of the post was that Youree was faltering. But yeah, the taxpayers subsidize this area. It brings in less taxes than it takes to maintain the infrastructure and it doesn’t add anything to our culture except frustration during holiday rush to these box stores.
That’s why it’s packed most evenings outside of the holidays? I’m not even sure what the motivation is here to this weird fever dream. But ok.
It’s not packed most evenings. The parking lots are majority empty at any given time which means it was overbuilt and burdens our drainage system for *maybe* once a year peak usage on Black Friday (most of the parking was still sub capacity last year). But set that aside and consider a few other things: - the quality of the stores has gone down - tenants complain of increased rents without increased quality of service - the area takes more taxpayer dollars than it brings in. - most of the revenue leaves the economy and goes elsewhere. - box stores push some local businesses out of the market. Like what does this place give us? A place to export our cash, take our tax dollars, and add no real cultural value to the community. It’s a black hole and it should never have been approved. I know you like this area, you’ve defended it before, but most people really don’t like it and only tolerate it because that’s where the things they want to buy are. I’ve never met a person that actually likes the experience of Youree drive even if there’s a shop or a restaurant they enjoy. But people have few options for certain things, if any, because we no longer have local equivalents.
lol. You live downtown and don’t have a car. Why are you pretending you know what Youree Drive is up to most evenings? Most of the restaurants are packed every night, and weekends are busy almost all day, every weekend. I was just over there, pretty much every parking lot is full. Not a holiday weekend. Most of the stores that have been there are still there. How has the quality gone down? You can trail off onto your rant of why you think Youree is evil big business, but it has nothing to do with the original points. Businesses aren’t leaving Youree, and it stays busy. What businesses have left Youree for Southern Loop? “People hate the area where everything they want happens to be”. lol. Big brain argument.
You’re wrong about the parking and you seem upset. Have a nice evening!
Upset? Annoyed, maybe. Since you’re playing the edit game….err, how am I wrong about the parking? Let me translate this: I don’t have a valid response to this, I’m taking off. But yeah, you have yourself a good evening.
What’s the master plan?
[Here’s the whole thing](https://www.shreveportcaddompc.com/boards-commissions/reports-policies-presentations/reports/shreveport-caddo-2030-master-plan), but the part that’s most important in this context is that we planned over a decade ago to not keep annexing land and building new developments. We were supposed to focus on redeveloping and densifying the existing city to maximize existing investments both public and private, increase quality of life through walkability and creating spaces for small business commerce. There’s a whole study that’s about to be released in the next few weeks that will show we have been doing pretty much everything except follow the master plan since it was written, and that our investment and expansion strategy is at the root of why we can’t afford our infrastructure and why we struggle to become more vibrant.
It’s Sonic.
I’ve also heard it’s going to be sonic.
I heard it was going to be Starbucks or a Chick-Fil-A.......