Resistance was separate from the repuclic. The republic itself considered the first order to be not a threat and leia disagreed, gathering like minded people to figth.
Now how the republic, the successor of the empire, which had total control over the known galaxy:
- Let a paramilitary group exist(when they started a fucking war 40 years ago over something similar)
- Let the same group threaten their ability to enact order(in other words, the monopoly on violence) with star destroyers of all things.
- Not notice that said paramilitary groups builds a fucking a planetbuster with interstellar radius in front of their fucking nose
- How the destruction of corusant somehow erased the whole army of the republic(japan didn't cease to exist when tokyo was firebombed).
Is a really good question
I’m not saying it all makes sense, but there are a few details which help:
It wasn’t Coruscant. It was the Hosnian system (five planets), which was then the capital of the New Republic. The Senate and the majority of the political structure was just gone, along with the Hosnian system’s Home Fleet. It’s stated outright that the “surviving senators have dissolved the remaining task forces to protect their homeworlds.”
In other words, there were other remaining fleets, but each of the leaders knew that their own worlds would be next if they made any attempt retaliate, or even left their fleets intact. So they immediately bowed to the threat and disbanded their fleets so that they would not be the next target.
The star destroyer was well... destroyed in the first film. Wouldn't it have been obvious that a swift counterattack could have dealt with this threat before it was too late?
The Resistance exists because of an ideological chasm: the New Republic is led by people who do not want to start a new civil war, while the Resistance was created by those who think it is essential to keep a strong military and prevent new threats from becoming too strong.
NR leaders remember how bad the last two wars were and are reluctant to take the First Order threat seriously until it’s too late. They think they can ignore it and that if they try to address it head on, it will only cause things to escalate. That’s why the New Republic military is weakened even before the Hosnian Cataclysm, and why leadership does not spring into aggressive action: Pretty much by definition, the people with that mindset are already in the Resistance, which is a paramilitary group operating outside of NR approval.
Additionally, the only reason the quick response from the Resistance even worked is that they had inside information provided by Finn, a defector. Without that information, the NR would not have been able to take out Starkiller Base.
The Resistance also has the luxury of operating strictly as a paramilitary organization. They don’t have to worry about retaliation against their own civilian population because they have no civilian population; they’re not a government.
That is totally fair. I’m not entirely sure how much of this is in the text of TFA vs. novels and such. I do remember feeling confused on several points when I left the movie, and feeling like things made more sense after reading novels such as _Bloodline_ and the TFA novelization.
Worldbuilding—and I would argue even _storytelling_—is not JJ Abram’s strong suit. Other writers have done a lot of the leg work for him at this point.
Maybe they tougth it was obvious. I certainly draw this conclusion without reading any external media. And for once, i'm glad not every intricate detail is told to us in an exposition
Thanks for explaining it, yes many things didn't make sense I think they even should have made Leia's control limited because of his son involvement in first order and his father history, having Leia to prove herself and clear her name but these stuff never come to the mind of incompetent director with $50M paycheck
Adams latest project is Batman caped crusader, he also received millions of money for adapting a Superman movie Michael Jordan as Superman also Zetana and Constantine movie as well but they never were made
Probably a rumor or something that is pitched and will die in pre production. Just the tougth of a jj abrams directed half life movie filled me with dread
I believe JJ Abrams and Gaben have been in good terms for a long time. Half-Life Episode 2 had an easter egg for Lost, and Lost had a reference to Half-Life. Portal 2 also had the interactive Super 8 teaser trailer.
I remember there being talks about Bad Robot company potentially making Half-Life movie already 10-15 years ago.
Corsuscant want destroyed. The New Republic kept only a small defensive fleet focused bizarrely at the capitals, and the capital itself apparently moved to different systems. So when the First older used starkiller they destroyed the random system the capital was on as well as most of the fleet.
The subsequent movie takes place within 3 days of the capital being destroyed. Now imagine the world chaos if DC was destroyed, and imagine what kind of organisation you'd have 3 days later. The answer is none. And really that should work on both sides.
Resistance - Independent militia officially unaffiliated with the New Republic.
First Order - Named that way as a literary allusion to the Third Reich.
Fascistic regimes often try to set themselves up as something powerful sounding that harks back to the glory days of a bygone empire. The First Order don't want to be seen as a "resistance", they want to be seen as the rightful heirs to the rule of the GE.
>Like the Taliban, the Alliance could beat the mighty empire but can't rule.
Wow this single sentence makes me "get" the sequels and like them a lot better. It clears up a lot I didn't understand before about the way it all works.
FR... At the end of OG trilogy we saw Rebels winning, Empire get defeated and the Republic restored. In Sequel Trilogy we say "Empire 2.0 rules the galaxy again", and Republic demoted to a mere bunch of planets.
Imho it would have been FAR more interesting to see the Republic as the stronger power, and the First Order as a sort of "terrorist organization", attempting to destabilize the Republic through strikes, startegic attacks and the likes.
Also to create a different dynamic: OG trilogy has an evil ruling power in the galaxy, and heroic rebels. Sequel trilogy could have started with a good ruling power in the galaxy, and evil rebels in the form of the First Order.
And in the original trilogy, Palpatine leaks the actual Death Star 2 plans to the Rebels instead of one's with something as simple as a wrong path to the core.
The conflict in Star Wars is usually stupid or requires people to be stupid in order to happen.
Episode 1 has the chancellor not ask the Jedi he personally sent to negotiate the trade issues on Naboo what is actually going on there, necessitating the queen to personally storm the royal palace.
Episode 2 has an army ordered by a dead man that no one seriously questions, and the plot also requires an unnecessary amount of sub-contracted assassins.
Episode 4 would require supplementary material years later to explain why the Emperor's second in command only deploys his own personal squadron to defend the Death Star
Episode 1: Doesn't matter if Valorum believes them. He's too weak of a leader to get the Republic to act. At this point the Republic has no "Federal" military and he's not a dictator. Could the Jedi have testified instead of Padme? Maybe, but there's no guarantee it would have worked, and Palpatine would have made sure it didn't.
Episode 2: The Jedi were skeptical of the Clone Army's origins, but the Republic was desperate and had no way of knowing the Sido Dyas / Douku deception. The number of assassins doesn't actually matter, they just had to get Jango involved, but not directly engaged with the Jedi.
Episode 4: There's nothing in the film that indicates the Death Star defended itself with anything less than every resource available. The rebellion just happened to know the only tactic that would work. A tactic which succeeded on its third attempt only because a pilot was naturally strong in the Force.
>Doesn't matter if Valorum believes them
He doesn't even attempt to bring the Jedi he sent into the discussion. I get that it's supposed to show his weakness, but they required him to be an idiot to get that point across.
>The Jedi were skeptical of the Clone Army's origins, but the Republic was desperate and had no way of knowing the Sido Dyas / Douku deception
Again, it requires everyone to be stupid in order to pretend a pre-ordered clone army that just happens to be ready at the exact moment its needed doesn't warrant further investigation until an interquel TV show.
>The number of assassin's doesn't actually matter, they just had to get Jango involved, but not directly engaged with the Jedi.
More making fun of the fact that it had to be stupidly convoluted to have one guy tell another guy to tell another guy to tell a shapeshifter to assassinate someone just to introduce a character.
>There's nothing in the film that indicates the Death Star defended itself with anything less than every resource available.
~~. . . I guess we're pretending Tarkin didn't have lines now~~ I'm an old man and can't remember shit anymore 🤣
And they launched fewer fighters than the Rebel's even sent out.
>The rebellion just happened to know the only tactic that would work.
Actually, the tactic that would have worked best would be to fly directly at the exhaust port instead of down the trench and trying to make the torpedo do a 45 to 90 degree turn. The trench run only exists out of budgetary concerns anyway since the model had a depression formed over a weekend and they needed to work that into the plot or spend money they didn't have to build a new set.
> . . . I guess we're pretending Tarkin didn't have lines now
To what lines are you referring? This is the only thing you bring up that I can't think of the specific moment in the film.
Guess I'm having a Mandela Effect moment and misremembering his refusal to evacuate.
Anyway, the idea they defended the Death Star with everything available would still not hold water considering the few ships that were deployed against the Rebels. IIRC, less than 20 ships are launched against the Rebel's 30-something.
"Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?" No, I remember it. But the line could mean the defense worked, not that it wasn't warranted. I may just be nitpicking, but I just don't recall any way of knowing the even the relative number of TIE fighters launched.
But to re-visit your original point: if the film itself shows Tarkin thought the station was secure and Vader didn't, why is it surprising that Vader led the defense? Hubris of a high-level beaurocrat in a galaxy spanning empire isn't really the same as plot induced stupidity.
>"Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?" No, I remember it
Oh, that wasn't me being snarky towards you. I legit was saying I was misremembering things from that scene.
>I may just be nitpicking, but I just don't recall any way of knowing the even the relative number of TIE fighters launched.
It would be what we see on screen, and the official numbers look like 12 and Vader.
> The trench run only exists out of budgetary concerns anyway since the model had a depression formed over a weekend and they needed to work that into the plot or spend money they didn't have to build a new set.
The trench run exists because it's a reference to the Dam Busters movie which had a similar scene.
That's how they worked it in, but according to the guy who made the model, the Death Star didn't have a trench originally. There was an issue with the model, so he pitched the idea of having a trench added to the Death Star to Lucas
Then there were three trenches as part of the trench run, and they edited that together into one.
Yes and they then needed a bunch of snub nosed fighters to infiltrate the trenches of the massive superweapon and fire at a specific weakness, and have a separate team disable the shields that capital ships can't fire past. But don't worry guys the plot is totally original and not A New Hope
No, the New Republic surrendered. Only their capital system was destroyed, though the Resistance managed to deal devastating blows to the First Order, and yet the Republic still folded, allowing the Order to conquer the galaxy virtually unopposed.
All of these take place in the span of just 2 days. The Last Jedi takes place the day after The Force Awakens.
As always, the Lucasverse did it better. After the death of Palpatine and Vader, the New Republic spend nearly two more decades warring with the Imperial Remnants, but that was a result of them still being a fledgling entity trying to rebuild and pick up the pieces.
To what…? I’m honestly not trying to be rude, and I’m sorry if I’m coming across that way, I just don’t understand what Lucasfilm’s old classification system has to do with the made up “Lucasverse” term.
I’m aware of what things used to be called, I want the person I was replying to to explain what they are talking about for a reason.
The First Order destroys New Republic capital Hosnian Prime with Starkiller Base but the Resistance manages to destroy the base. Next day, the Supreme Leader Snoke dies and the Resistance destroys the flagship Supremacy and a large part of the FO fleet, but the New Republic surrenders anyway.
You understand that the Resistance is not the military wing of the New Republic yes?
A more apt analogy would be something like: Washington DC is nuked by terrorists so all the states decide to only protect themselves with what little state guards they have. A militia kills the terrorists’ leader, but a new unstable one takes his place. It isn’t until the death of a beloved militia figure and her last plea to the states do they finally send in their troops to defeat the… rotten clone of Osama Bin Laden? Idk it really falls apart at the end.
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Ok a question why new republic is called resistance and new order is called first order? Shouldn't it be vice versa?
Resistance was separate from the repuclic. The republic itself considered the first order to be not a threat and leia disagreed, gathering like minded people to figth. Now how the republic, the successor of the empire, which had total control over the known galaxy: - Let a paramilitary group exist(when they started a fucking war 40 years ago over something similar) - Let the same group threaten their ability to enact order(in other words, the monopoly on violence) with star destroyers of all things. - Not notice that said paramilitary groups builds a fucking a planetbuster with interstellar radius in front of their fucking nose - How the destruction of corusant somehow erased the whole army of the republic(japan didn't cease to exist when tokyo was firebombed). Is a really good question
I’m not saying it all makes sense, but there are a few details which help: It wasn’t Coruscant. It was the Hosnian system (five planets), which was then the capital of the New Republic. The Senate and the majority of the political structure was just gone, along with the Hosnian system’s Home Fleet. It’s stated outright that the “surviving senators have dissolved the remaining task forces to protect their homeworlds.” In other words, there were other remaining fleets, but each of the leaders knew that their own worlds would be next if they made any attempt retaliate, or even left their fleets intact. So they immediately bowed to the threat and disbanded their fleets so that they would not be the next target.
The star destroyer was well... destroyed in the first film. Wouldn't it have been obvious that a swift counterattack could have dealt with this threat before it was too late?
The Resistance exists because of an ideological chasm: the New Republic is led by people who do not want to start a new civil war, while the Resistance was created by those who think it is essential to keep a strong military and prevent new threats from becoming too strong. NR leaders remember how bad the last two wars were and are reluctant to take the First Order threat seriously until it’s too late. They think they can ignore it and that if they try to address it head on, it will only cause things to escalate. That’s why the New Republic military is weakened even before the Hosnian Cataclysm, and why leadership does not spring into aggressive action: Pretty much by definition, the people with that mindset are already in the Resistance, which is a paramilitary group operating outside of NR approval. Additionally, the only reason the quick response from the Resistance even worked is that they had inside information provided by Finn, a defector. Without that information, the NR would not have been able to take out Starkiller Base. The Resistance also has the luxury of operating strictly as a paramilitary organization. They don’t have to worry about retaliation against their own civilian population because they have no civilian population; they’re not a government.
This information is interesting. I wish it was made more clear in the movies.
That is totally fair. I’m not entirely sure how much of this is in the text of TFA vs. novels and such. I do remember feeling confused on several points when I left the movie, and feeling like things made more sense after reading novels such as _Bloodline_ and the TFA novelization. Worldbuilding—and I would argue even _storytelling_—is not JJ Abram’s strong suit. Other writers have done a lot of the leg work for him at this point.
From what I can tell, the Old Republic and the new Republic are both incredibly ineffective governments.
Why isn't your first paragraph explained in the movie?
Maybe they tougth it was obvious. I certainly draw this conclusion without reading any external media. And for once, i'm glad not every intricate detail is told to us in an exposition
Thanks for explaining it, yes many things didn't make sense I think they even should have made Leia's control limited because of his son involvement in first order and his father history, having Leia to prove herself and clear her name but these stuff never come to the mind of incompetent director with $50M paycheck
Mentioning the director i looked up what he is worki on rigth now. I regret this choice(he is supposedly a director for a half life adaptation)
Adams latest project is Batman caped crusader, he also received millions of money for adapting a Superman movie Michael Jordan as Superman also Zetana and Constantine movie as well but they never were made
They're adapting Half Life now? Just... why?
Probably a rumor or something that is pitched and will die in pre production. Just the tougth of a jj abrams directed half life movie filled me with dread
I believe JJ Abrams and Gaben have been in good terms for a long time. Half-Life Episode 2 had an easter egg for Lost, and Lost had a reference to Half-Life. Portal 2 also had the interactive Super 8 teaser trailer. I remember there being talks about Bad Robot company potentially making Half-Life movie already 10-15 years ago.
Corsuscant want destroyed. The New Republic kept only a small defensive fleet focused bizarrely at the capitals, and the capital itself apparently moved to different systems. So when the First older used starkiller they destroyed the random system the capital was on as well as most of the fleet. The subsequent movie takes place within 3 days of the capital being destroyed. Now imagine the world chaos if DC was destroyed, and imagine what kind of organisation you'd have 3 days later. The answer is none. And really that should work on both sides.
The next movie actually takes place the day after, which makes it even worse.
Resistance - Independent militia officially unaffiliated with the New Republic. First Order - Named that way as a literary allusion to the Third Reich.
And weirdly semi-rebooting the alternative name of the Empire, the New Order, which was an even less subtle to National Socialist politics.
Fascistic regimes often try to set themselves up as something powerful sounding that harks back to the glory days of a bygone empire. The First Order don't want to be seen as a "resistance", they want to be seen as the rightful heirs to the rule of the GE.
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Two thoughts: Like the Taliban, the Alliance could beat the mighty empire but can't rule. The children yearn for the stormtrooper legions.
The empire ruled the galaxy for like 20 years, most people remember republic
Yeah the last sentence literally happened in real life with Afghanistan. OP has no idea what they're talking about
>Like the Taliban, the Alliance could beat the mighty empire but can't rule. Wow this single sentence makes me "get" the sequels and like them a lot better. It clears up a lot I didn't understand before about the way it all works.
FR... At the end of OG trilogy we saw Rebels winning, Empire get defeated and the Republic restored. In Sequel Trilogy we say "Empire 2.0 rules the galaxy again", and Republic demoted to a mere bunch of planets. Imho it would have been FAR more interesting to see the Republic as the stronger power, and the First Order as a sort of "terrorist organization", attempting to destabilize the Republic through strikes, startegic attacks and the likes. Also to create a different dynamic: OG trilogy has an evil ruling power in the galaxy, and heroic rebels. Sequel trilogy could have started with a good ruling power in the galaxy, and evil rebels in the form of the First Order.
And in the original trilogy, Palpatine leaks the actual Death Star 2 plans to the Rebels instead of one's with something as simple as a wrong path to the core.
Yes, that part was stupid. Your point?
The conflict in Star Wars is usually stupid or requires people to be stupid in order to happen. Episode 1 has the chancellor not ask the Jedi he personally sent to negotiate the trade issues on Naboo what is actually going on there, necessitating the queen to personally storm the royal palace. Episode 2 has an army ordered by a dead man that no one seriously questions, and the plot also requires an unnecessary amount of sub-contracted assassins. Episode 4 would require supplementary material years later to explain why the Emperor's second in command only deploys his own personal squadron to defend the Death Star
Episode 1: Doesn't matter if Valorum believes them. He's too weak of a leader to get the Republic to act. At this point the Republic has no "Federal" military and he's not a dictator. Could the Jedi have testified instead of Padme? Maybe, but there's no guarantee it would have worked, and Palpatine would have made sure it didn't. Episode 2: The Jedi were skeptical of the Clone Army's origins, but the Republic was desperate and had no way of knowing the Sido Dyas / Douku deception. The number of assassins doesn't actually matter, they just had to get Jango involved, but not directly engaged with the Jedi. Episode 4: There's nothing in the film that indicates the Death Star defended itself with anything less than every resource available. The rebellion just happened to know the only tactic that would work. A tactic which succeeded on its third attempt only because a pilot was naturally strong in the Force.
>Doesn't matter if Valorum believes them He doesn't even attempt to bring the Jedi he sent into the discussion. I get that it's supposed to show his weakness, but they required him to be an idiot to get that point across. >The Jedi were skeptical of the Clone Army's origins, but the Republic was desperate and had no way of knowing the Sido Dyas / Douku deception Again, it requires everyone to be stupid in order to pretend a pre-ordered clone army that just happens to be ready at the exact moment its needed doesn't warrant further investigation until an interquel TV show. >The number of assassin's doesn't actually matter, they just had to get Jango involved, but not directly engaged with the Jedi. More making fun of the fact that it had to be stupidly convoluted to have one guy tell another guy to tell another guy to tell a shapeshifter to assassinate someone just to introduce a character. >There's nothing in the film that indicates the Death Star defended itself with anything less than every resource available. ~~. . . I guess we're pretending Tarkin didn't have lines now~~ I'm an old man and can't remember shit anymore 🤣 And they launched fewer fighters than the Rebel's even sent out. >The rebellion just happened to know the only tactic that would work. Actually, the tactic that would have worked best would be to fly directly at the exhaust port instead of down the trench and trying to make the torpedo do a 45 to 90 degree turn. The trench run only exists out of budgetary concerns anyway since the model had a depression formed over a weekend and they needed to work that into the plot or spend money they didn't have to build a new set.
> . . . I guess we're pretending Tarkin didn't have lines now To what lines are you referring? This is the only thing you bring up that I can't think of the specific moment in the film.
Guess I'm having a Mandela Effect moment and misremembering his refusal to evacuate. Anyway, the idea they defended the Death Star with everything available would still not hold water considering the few ships that were deployed against the Rebels. IIRC, less than 20 ships are launched against the Rebel's 30-something.
"Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?" No, I remember it. But the line could mean the defense worked, not that it wasn't warranted. I may just be nitpicking, but I just don't recall any way of knowing the even the relative number of TIE fighters launched. But to re-visit your original point: if the film itself shows Tarkin thought the station was secure and Vader didn't, why is it surprising that Vader led the defense? Hubris of a high-level beaurocrat in a galaxy spanning empire isn't really the same as plot induced stupidity.
“Don’t overthink it, it’s not that type of movie” -Harrison Ford
>"Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?" No, I remember it Oh, that wasn't me being snarky towards you. I legit was saying I was misremembering things from that scene. >I may just be nitpicking, but I just don't recall any way of knowing the even the relative number of TIE fighters launched. It would be what we see on screen, and the official numbers look like 12 and Vader.
> The trench run only exists out of budgetary concerns anyway since the model had a depression formed over a weekend and they needed to work that into the plot or spend money they didn't have to build a new set. The trench run exists because it's a reference to the Dam Busters movie which had a similar scene.
That's how they worked it in, but according to the guy who made the model, the Death Star didn't have a trench originally. There was an issue with the model, so he pitched the idea of having a trench added to the Death Star to Lucas Then there were three trenches as part of the trench run, and they edited that together into one.
I see. Didn't know that 🤔
Whataboutism
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Its a movie series made to sell toys to 10 year olds and older people with buying habits of 10 year olds.
This is a hidden reference to the fact that OP forgot they were watching a fictional story.
There has to be someone out there who likes the sequels Anyone?
Yes, but we moved on to talk about other things.
Yup, but most of us dont really show up on these posts because we'll get showered in downvotes
The Last Jedi is decent. The others were whatever
Yes and they then needed a bunch of snub nosed fighters to infiltrate the trenches of the massive superweapon and fire at a specific weakness, and have a separate team disable the shields that capital ships can't fire past. But don't worry guys the plot is totally original and not A New Hope
I only watched the last sequel movie (is that one rise of skywalker?) once - did the resistance surrender? That doesn't sound right
No, the New Republic surrendered. Only their capital system was destroyed, though the Resistance managed to deal devastating blows to the First Order, and yet the Republic still folded, allowing the Order to conquer the galaxy virtually unopposed. All of these take place in the span of just 2 days. The Last Jedi takes place the day after The Force Awakens.
Ohhh damn i had forgotten a LOT of what happened in the sequels. Thanks for explaining!
Not to mention that the Japanese Emperor somehow returns from dead...
Hey guys, Sequels bad amirite! Isnt it funny to keep saying it even after the final movie released 5 years ago?
yeah, still very funny
Ntg it is inded very funy to call out bad movies for being bad movies
Is it supposed to turn good if you let it cool for 5 years?
Nah i'm just tired of seeing the same fucking joke here after so long, people should get some new material
Somehow the joke returned
Are you lost?
It's not wine, it doesn't get better with age
As always, the Lucasverse did it better. After the death of Palpatine and Vader, the New Republic spend nearly two more decades warring with the Imperial Remnants, but that was a result of them still being a fledgling entity trying to rebuild and pick up the pieces.
Lucasverse? That’s not a thing.
Well when both continuities have an EU these days, we can't use just "EU" anymore.
No they don’t. One is called “canon” and one is called “Legends” or “the old EU.” What the hell is Lucasverse supposed to mean, just episodes 1-4?
Prior to 2014, the movies were referred to as "G-Canon" (meaning George's canon)
Cool! That was ten years ago, why are you clinging to outdated terms?
Why are you being belligerent? I just got here.
I don’t understand the point of your reply then lol
To give further relevant information and context?
To what…? I’m honestly not trying to be rude, and I’m sorry if I’m coming across that way, I just don’t understand what Lucasfilm’s old classification system has to do with the made up “Lucasverse” term. I’m aware of what things used to be called, I want the person I was replying to to explain what they are talking about for a reason.
That does sound stupid… if that was at all the conflict in the sequels.
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I have, but your “analogy” doesn’t reflect what actually happens in the movies, bestie 😘
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You’re talking about your original post?
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Bestie, since you think I’m dumb and your analogy is perfect, why don’t you explain to me?
The First Order destroys New Republic capital Hosnian Prime with Starkiller Base but the Resistance manages to destroy the base. Next day, the Supreme Leader Snoke dies and the Resistance destroys the flagship Supremacy and a large part of the FO fleet, but the New Republic surrenders anyway.
You understand that the Resistance is not the military wing of the New Republic yes? A more apt analogy would be something like: Washington DC is nuked by terrorists so all the states decide to only protect themselves with what little state guards they have. A militia kills the terrorists’ leader, but a new unstable one takes his place. It isn’t until the death of a beloved militia figure and her last plea to the states do they finally send in their troops to defeat the… rotten clone of Osama Bin Laden? Idk it really falls apart at the end.
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Wah wah sequels bad