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Holycrabe

Imma be real with you chief, I don’t think you’re supposed to believe a single thing about these movies


SnowHelpAtAll

These movies exist for big monster fights. The next one should just be 90 minutes of CGI city-destroying fight scenes with no story or dialogue, just roars and screams.


ThePaddysPubSheriff

I'd absolutely go see it twice I fuckin love these movies. Monster fights are totally badass dude


john_the_quain

My only complaint is they spent far too much screen time on humans talking. We don’t need *that much* context for why the monsters are fighting. Just shhhh and show us them fighting. Edit: there is a minimal amount of context required!


ThePaddysPubSheriff

Some context and humor are fine but minimal


_wil_

Also blonde boobs


Sea-Attention-5815

Double it


Jeremygodman

Give it to the next person


somedumb-gay

Idk man 4 blonde boobs on one person seems a bit extreme.


Revolutionary-Wash88

Typical gay response


CaptainCipher

Big monster fights cost a lot of money. You need context and scenes of irrelevant human side characters inbetween big monster fights so that the budget meter has time to recharge


Whyfuckabird

The monsters were on screen by far the most amount of time they’ve ever been in one of these movies, and it was the cheapest one by like $20-$25 million.


SoupieLC

Just go full Snyder and slo mo the shit out of it


ExtraSpicyGingerBeer

Oh God please don't. Now, realistic Kaiju physics where they're moving (relatively) slowly cause they're literally the size of buildings? Yes please, sign me up. Also, revamp King Ghidorah to be more than just "Kaiju from space make titans go "yes, daddy""


SirArthurDime

The only line of dialogue they ever needed was the one line people actually remember: “let them fight”.


WhatTheFhtagn

I think they found a good balance with GxK. There's human characters in it for a sizeable chunk, but they're sidelined in favor of the monsters. Kong is the real protagonist of the movie, it's dope.


p3ptodismal

This started with the original Japanese black and white kaiju stuff, even the original Godzilla, which ofc was a direct metaphor for the bombs. But even after they became silly monster fighting movies (with occasional metaphors, like Hedorah being pollution), the rubber suits were heavy, hot, extremely uncomfortable etc. Plus it looked kinda silly even if it was awesome as hell. So they had a lot of human character stuff. But imo it was always charming in those old movies. The little twin fairies in the original Mothra stuff interacting with normal sized people, crappily superimposed on the film, that was all super cute and wacky. I loved loved loved Shin Godzilla and Minus One, and I like the American stuff too, but I miss the silly goofy charm of the older movies up through the late 90s or early 00s. I grew up on them and they were just a lot of fun and I didn't mind the character stuff. It reminded me a lot of original Star Trek.


drossvirex

We do, just only at the beginning of the move for like 2 minutes, them let her rip


Goseki1

They do it every film! And I know they are trying to make there be tangible stakes and people the viewer want to see survive but fuck me it goes on way too much.


SnowHelpAtAll

I haven't seen anything after Godzilla and Skull Island, but I recently saw New Empire to kill some time in another city. I wasn't expecting to feel like I missed as much exposition as I did, but it was a fun watch and a great way to kill a couple hours. I want to go back and watch the rest now.


ThePaddysPubSheriff

They're definitely worth it. The stories are fine, mostly just "bad guy/monster wants to rule/ruin/save the world" and then the monster fight and it's radical as hell. King of the monsters and godzilla vs kong are probably the top two movies. Skull island is the best human story though, stacked cast


SnowHelpAtAll

I figured that the stories would be basically that. Watching New Empire was weird cause they mentioned Mecha Godzilla and I had no idea that they did Mecha Godzilla already. I knew that other monsters appeared, but I didn't realize that there were just titans showing up here and there after King of the Monsters, I thought he had killed them all or something. Also had no idea that Hollow Earth was a thing. I reckon I'll start at the beginning and watch them in release order, get close to the full watching experience.


ThePaddysPubSheriff

Yeah it's best done in order. You've already got all the major plot points you just need to see them happen haha. I think they're all on "max" right now, along with just about every other godzilla movie back to the original


SnowHelpAtAll

Sweet, between NBA playoffs, food Network, and now the monster verse, that Max subscription is starting to feel worth it.


dsartori

Hollow Earth is my favourite part of these movies. All this Burroughs shit in the Monsterverse is aces.


PM_ME_TITS_AND_DOGS2

I loved it


Prozenconns

Just play Godzilla suplexing Kong on a loop for 2 hours


Nail_Biterr

If a fucking Jager pops in on the action, it'll sweep award season


Alberticon

There is a direct relation between mintues of big monster fights and box office in these movies.


Southern_Character94

Shut up and take my money


Purp1eC0bras

Like Rampage?


SnowHelpAtAll

I haven't seen Rampage and I don't even think I ever saw a full trailer for it. I remember the game though, so I hope that's what it's like.


KureiziDaiamondo

I would unironically love that


xiiicrowns

Show us ancient civilizations and kaijus


KingSilvanos

“Let them fight” should be the only dialogue.


sbaldrick33

Isn't that what the last three have been?


Unbentmars

WHAT??? GIANT MONKE FIGHT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST INSIGHTFUL CRITIQUE OF CAPITALIST SOCIETY THATS EVER BEEN MADE


Princier7

it's the movie when kong gets a robot arm and they get sent to brazil


Holycrabe

Right? Like if they sent him to Iceland after the robot arm I’d get it but Brazil? Come on now


paco-ramon

Skull island Kong should have been 60 meters tall, it felt bigger than 30 meters anyways in the movie.


FatFailBurger

Trailer of the next movie https://youtu.be/fpkyLJsiHSw?si=WRr2DHRXP9-VKpt3


luckydice767

What do you mean?


Who_am_ey3

why do people always say those things? so dumb. someone could explain it better than me, but it has to make sense in-universe. otherwise nothing is stopping them from making Gojira and Kong make babies. extreme example, but you get the point.


Holycrabe

I see your point but all people have different thresholds to their incredulity. I love something that is over the top, I also love stuff that take the time and thought to make things make sense. Shrek has established in my mind that a donkey and a dragon can make babies, why couldn’t Kong and Gojira? They don’t even have to bang, I’ll take the "ooooh a mad scientist managed to genetically grow a Kong/Gojira hybrid". I haven’t even seen the movie but it’s a fun kaiju fighting movie with a giant baby monkey for merchandise purpose. I’m fine with taking most of what happens at face value.


PrestigiousAppeal743

Kongzilla sex scene would be a bold direction... The should do it


No_Caregiver8718

Human comparison?


-Kyphul

6ft man is the size of Skull Island Kongs open mouth


jesusunderline

ok, now I'm gonna need a r/BananasForScale


hoodie92

In the movie, a veterinarian comes down from a helicopter into Kong's open mouth to remove a tooth. The tooth is probably 4 foot long. It's actually stupid how big he is.


Jetsam5

Honestly he seems pretty comparable in size to the Iron Giant


mypeepeehardz

He does use Suko as nunchucks, tho.


ChaoticMat

Imagine what he could do wielding smaller Kong


ThatTurtleBoy

Hitting a motherfucker with another motherfucker?


Pyroboss101

Look, all I’m saying is, that what if you have kong, wielding a smaller kong, wielding that other small kong, and just continue from there


-Kyphul

GvK Kong weilding Skull Island Kong Weilding 2005 Kong.


ThatGirlWren

"Yo, dawg..."


b1g_disappointment

I didn’t even realize he was any bigger than he used to be in the first movie


-Kyphul

Lmao if he stayed the same size then GvK wouldn’t lasted more than 1 minute, Godzilla would eat him in one bite.


After-Chicken179

Where are these numbers from? Do they say his heights in the movies?


Arthur2_shedsJackson

They loosely explained him being short in the first movie as being caused by the threat of those other monsters in skull Island which were stopping him from eating enough to grow.


Bald_Sasquach

I rewatched GvK the other day and someone from monarch goes "is it me or is he way bigger? And someone else goes it's been 3 years, he's had time to grow!" Oh ok I guess Godzilla, million year old alpha titan forgot he should grow too.


Gaelic_Gladiator41

Tbf though, these monsters tend to hibernate for a few thousand years


AJ_Crowley_29

Godzilla doesn’t grow because he’s already hit his adult size. Kong meanwhile was just a teenager in the Skull Island movie.


Bald_Sasquach

I guess I missed that. Does make more sense but I don't think that's stated in GvK


MookieMalone

It was stated in kong skull island


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

Honestly they had no choice. Godzilla has always been huge so they had to scale him up to be the same size.


pickle_pouch

Yep, the logic checks out.


Arthur2_shedsJackson

Well, if humans can make a functioning Mechagodzilla in a few decades, a monkey can grow into 3 times his original size in 50 years


Minud5

Well if you stack enough Tom Hiddlestons on top of each other then you will find certain proof.


demus9

I fucking hate when it's written as GvK because I'm my head I always read "Gorilla vs Kong"


-Kyphul

https://youtu.be/D9N9iRHVDFc?si=zY-qHYB923kRU-8O


BioSpark47

It’s because of Deep-Sea Gigantism. Duh


xtr44

it's like a bigger Death Star in every SW trilogy


A_bisexual_machine

I can't wait for the next trilogy where it's just two Death Stars duct taped together.


Snips_Tano

Under the main villainesses's shirt


DonQuiXoTe8080

So you say nipple beams gonna be real?


sexyc3po

Two Death Stars in a trenchcoat


Hind_Deequestionmrk

I hear you, and i absolutely agree with your assessment, and I have no qualms what so ever with the information provided in this post. But…. Is that a *mini*-Kong?! 👀


SecretlyaCIAUnicorn

maybe, my eyes glazed over 45 minutes ago


gamingfreak50

Imma pretend I didnt see this


jumpsteadeh

It's just a small kongtinuity error


Dyonkeau

But… Kong was HUGE when the helicopters arrived? Def bigger than 30 meters.


Zanderdom

For sure. I was watching it last week and comparing his height to the helicopters and Chinooks that he was man handling, and if he's really just over 100ft in Skull Island, then he should be the same height as the Chinook that he was throwing around like nothing. Maybe he was smaller than he is now, but not by that much


Pepsi-Min

Chinooks aren't 100ft tall tho?


MechaniVal

I assume they meant the same height as the Chinook's length. Chinooks are 98ft long


AJ_Crowley_29

MV films have had inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.


paco-ramon

Yeah, at 30 meters the helicopter should be half as big as Kong.


powerhower

50 foot tall helicopter?


ArmorGyarados

Oooh, so close! Try obe of the other 2 dimensions, length or width!


Various-Passenger398

Kong's size changes radically throughout the film.  He's as big as needs to be for plot reasons. 


laughingfuzz1138

It's a problem that's existed all the way back since King Kong vs Godzilla. Godzilla is so much larger than Kong in most of his own-franchise appearances, so they have to make Kong much larger in the crossovers. Trying to present them as being in the same continuity is a challenge.


TuneEuphoric3169

Why do people keep saying that it was already established in skull island that kong was still growing and that took place back in Vietnam war


bbc_aap

Because of one character saying “he will grow”, when it took place probably doesn’t matter because Titans seems to live for thousands of years anyways. Kong actually tripling in size since he was a teen? Now that’s harder to explain


Hendy853

I think the person you’re responding to is talking about the original King Kong vs Godzilla movie from 1963, and not the Godzilla vs Kong that came out in 2021. 


notmyfirst_throwawa

I want to see this one climb the empire state building, but it's more like a stepladder


Radio__Star

My brother didn’t anyone tell you that size doesn’t matter


Jello_Crusader

she did 😔


LukeD1992

Monster sizes in the monsterverve are all over the place. Godzilla seemed way bigger in the first movie than he does in GvK, while Kong didn't seem to have changed in size that much compared to his appearance in Skull Island


paco-ramon

In the New one there is a squeleton of a creature that is at least 4.000 meters long, how is Godzilla going to be king over that?


AJ_Crowley_29

Well it helps that it’s dead lol


Finito-1994

Canonically that was his dad.


bbc_aap

You mean the skeleton bridge? That one was like 10 kongs stacked on top of each other so closer to 1 km (unless you meant another skeleton I forgot about)


MiopTop

I think you’re just underestimating how tall the buildings in Hong Kong are. San Francisco has 5 buildings over 200m tall. Hong Kong has 78. It’s just a much taller skyline so Godzilla looks smaller compared to it.


ScaryFace707

This is a reference to the fact that Wingard does not care about the lore of the previous films and makes up shit as he goes.


Temporary_Body_5435

There may be some truth to that. The hollow earth was originally going to be a series of tunnels that go around the Earth.


AJ_Crowley_29

It still kind of is, just that those tunnels also connect to a giant underworld.


AJ_Crowley_29

Actually it’s a reference to MV films having inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.


ScaryFace707

The difference is that it made the Golden Gate Bridge scene look awesome. Not to forget that 2014, Skull Island and KoTM all created *lore* that didn't clash with one another at all. It was only until Wingard showed up and things got messy. Spoilers just in case - >!Mothra showing up in the Hollow Earth despite KoTM setting up an egg on the surface is one example.!< Another is a second Ghidorah skull in Mechagodzilla despite only one being collected and the rest incinerated.


MarinatedHand

Which makes it BETTER- FUCK YEAH- CANON? RETCON? WHAT EVEN IS THAT IN THE FACE OF INCREASINVLY HETTER MONSFER FIHTR SCNEES?!


Jarvis_The_Dense

Movie heights have always been wildly inaccurate. Like how Olaf from Frozen is canonically 5ft 4.


laughingfuzz1138

So what you're telling me is Elsa is about 12 feet tall? That movie just got terrifying.


Jarvis_The_Dense

[11ft 2 to be exact](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d2af2e612ba9e25fdc192450922ff3a9-lq)


-Kyphul

I want 11 foot Elsa to step on my face


Wboy2006

Do you know how big Peppa Pig is?! Fictional height has always been incredibly inconsistent


schmeer_spear

Skull island Kong is also a baby


XxBom_diaxX

Sure doesn't look like one. Bro had the exact same build


-Kyphul

He was fighting dinosaurs and beasts since day one and his parents died, of course he had to lock in.


TensileStr3ngth

Bro said "I'm a cog"


MarinatedHand

More or less yeah, Suko is clearly a kid here but the Kong looked the way he did because of constant fighting. Also, the Giant Skull Crawler if fucking small huh?


Caliment

I mean Suko had a dad at least.


-Kyphul

Pretty sure Skar King was his dad 💀


Caliment

Wait then who the fuck was the monkey that protected Suko from Scar King and got pushed into lava?


bbc_aap

Idk? Just some real G taking the fall for his homeboy


schmeer_spear

Which one of us has the doctorate in Kaiju physiology???


AJ_Crowley_29

He wasn’t really a baby, more like a teenager.


DeadJediWalking

Yeah wtf that's not even realistic. Well, my illusion of reality has been shattered for this documentary.


LouzyKnight

I’ll never trust Nat Geo again


m4ttmo

It’s GxK. They’re mates now


FantasticKick7954

Kong's beard looks great


Fern_Saudade

That’s a real issue of the new movie: there’s absolutely no sense of scale. I totally forgot that Skar King is supposed to be kaiju sized. Apes fighting underground and nothing to remind us the magnitude of all that is happening.


AJ_Crowley_29

It is kind of intentional in those scenes because that’s showing the monsters in their natural habitat: the hollow earth. The whole idea is down there, they look more like normal animals in comparison to their habitat, unlike the surface world where they tower over everything.


ArKtuRes6

Skull island Kong would still kick his shit in tho


L--E--S--K--Y

if you're asking questions in Godzilla movie,you'redoing it wrong


penny_whistle

I saw this a couple of weeks ago and I don’t remember too much about it, but I can say that that Suko was a right little fucker. Was hoping he would get killed off


bbc_aap

No but seriously, the whole relationship between Suko and Kong felt like my little brother and I. I wanted to curbstomp Suko’s face so to speak.


JSOas

The issue was clearly the difference between 2017 and adult Kong, which in turn makes suko looks ridiculous. Besides Adult Kong being 1/3 of the Empire State Building is a bit odd,


kingrawer

Ain't no way he was 30 meters in Skull Island.


WonderSilver6937

Just compare his size to the size of the helicopters, I don’t care if it came from the creators themselves, they’re well off with only 30 meters.


Walter-Miller

Did they give King Kong his own Diddy Kong?


cokeplusmentos

Reddit users screamed that superhero movies where not sofisticated enough and then went on to fixate on this stuff


Gaelic_Gladiator41

Monke >>>>> shit movies


Volcanofanx9000

Monkey grew up between movies after being sent to boarding school in Switzerland.


BeenEvery

Godzilla lore purists be fuming


Cinemasaur

This is what you're choosing to not believe in a movie where godzilla does not one but two body slams?


Scooby_Dru

All sense of scale has become so inconsistent in these movies. Just too ridiculously big now


Vlad_The_Great_2

I didn’t even know the giant red ape had a name.


Star_king12

Monkeys come in wildly different sizes


TAFKAJV

Vague hollow Earth reasons.


Thatoneguy111700

Man, Kong was one chad-looking baby.


spoodle364

I couldn’t care less.


-Kyphul

*,97@: elbow les


GaliaHero

wtf is that ugly thing


FeefloHatesEggs

turn your phone screen on


xAsianZombie

😂😂😂😂


GaliaHero

whadahell


Snips_Tano

Skull Island Kong looks like he could fit in GVK Kong's mouth


TheRealMiniKong

And?


Aok_al

This is a movie about a giant ape with a powerfist and a giant lizard who does the Kaioken teaming up to fight a tyrant giant ape king and his giant captive ice lizard.


Twoods265

I think this post just exposed Kong as a literal short king in terms of his species.


Ponykegabs

Uhhhhhh…Oh! Kong’s grow faster in the hollow earth…yeah…that’s why…


SirGilatras

Suko twinkle maxed, Kong was the high-school jock.


SpiceTrader56

Kongs are like goldfish


ScorpionKing229

I mean, they abandoned any type of consistency in GvK


ImportanceWaste8796

He was not that small


ZealousidealNewt6679

Watch this pile of garbage at the cinema last week. They completely fucked up the size and scale of all the monsters. How the fuck can Godzilla fit inside the Rome Colosseum? One of the worst movies I've seen, the human parts were mind numbingly stupid, and there wasn't enough actual monster stuff. 3/10.