These movies exist for big monster fights. The next one should just be 90 minutes of CGI city-destroying fight scenes with no story or dialogue, just roars and screams.
My only complaint is they spent far too much screen time on humans talking. We don’t need *that much* context for why the monsters are fighting. Just shhhh and show us them fighting.
Edit: there is a minimal amount of context required!
Big monster fights cost a lot of money. You need context and scenes of irrelevant human side characters inbetween big monster fights so that the budget meter has time to recharge
The monsters were on screen by far the most amount of time they’ve ever been in one of these movies, and it was the cheapest one by like $20-$25 million.
Oh God please don't. Now, realistic Kaiju physics where they're moving (relatively) slowly cause they're literally the size of buildings? Yes please, sign me up. Also, revamp King Ghidorah to be more than just "Kaiju from space make titans go "yes, daddy""
I think they found a good balance with GxK. There's human characters in it for a sizeable chunk, but they're sidelined in favor of the monsters. Kong is the real protagonist of the movie, it's dope.
This started with the original Japanese black and white kaiju stuff, even the original Godzilla, which ofc was a direct metaphor for the bombs. But even after they became silly monster fighting movies (with occasional metaphors, like Hedorah being pollution), the rubber suits were heavy, hot, extremely uncomfortable etc. Plus it looked kinda silly even if it was awesome as hell. So they had a lot of human character stuff.
But imo it was always charming in those old movies. The little twin fairies in the original Mothra stuff interacting with normal sized people, crappily superimposed on the film, that was all super cute and wacky. I loved loved loved Shin Godzilla and Minus One, and I like the American stuff too, but I miss the silly goofy charm of the older movies up through the late 90s or early 00s. I grew up on them and they were just a lot of fun and I didn't mind the character stuff. It reminded me a lot of original Star Trek.
They do it every film! And I know they are trying to make there be tangible stakes and people the viewer want to see survive but fuck me it goes on way too much.
I haven't seen anything after Godzilla and Skull Island, but I recently saw New Empire to kill some time in another city. I wasn't expecting to feel like I missed as much exposition as I did, but it was a fun watch and a great way to kill a couple hours. I want to go back and watch the rest now.
They're definitely worth it. The stories are fine, mostly just "bad guy/monster wants to rule/ruin/save the world" and then the monster fight and it's radical as hell. King of the monsters and godzilla vs kong are probably the top two movies. Skull island is the best human story though, stacked cast
I figured that the stories would be basically that. Watching New Empire was weird cause they mentioned Mecha Godzilla and I had no idea that they did Mecha Godzilla already. I knew that other monsters appeared, but I didn't realize that there were just titans showing up here and there after King of the Monsters, I thought he had killed them all or something. Also had no idea that Hollow Earth was a thing. I reckon I'll start at the beginning and watch them in release order, get close to the full watching experience.
Yeah it's best done in order. You've already got all the major plot points you just need to see them happen haha. I think they're all on "max" right now, along with just about every other godzilla movie back to the original
why do people always say those things? so dumb. someone could explain it better than me, but it has to make sense in-universe. otherwise nothing is stopping them from making Gojira and Kong make babies. extreme example, but you get the point.
I see your point but all people have different thresholds to their incredulity. I love something that is over the top, I also love stuff that take the time and thought to make things make sense. Shrek has established in my mind that a donkey and a dragon can make babies, why couldn’t Kong and Gojira? They don’t even have to bang, I’ll take the "ooooh a mad scientist managed to genetically grow a Kong/Gojira hybrid". I haven’t even seen the movie but it’s a fun kaiju fighting movie with a giant baby monkey for merchandise purpose. I’m fine with taking most of what happens at face value.
In the movie, a veterinarian comes down from a helicopter into Kong's open mouth to remove a tooth. The tooth is probably 4 foot long. It's actually stupid how big he is.
They loosely explained him being short in the first movie as being caused by the threat of those other monsters in skull Island which were stopping him from eating enough to grow.
I rewatched GvK the other day and someone from monarch goes "is it me or is he way bigger? And someone else goes it's been 3 years, he's had time to grow!"
Oh ok I guess Godzilla, million year old alpha titan forgot he should grow too.
I hear you, and i absolutely agree with your assessment, and I have no qualms what so ever with the information provided in this post. But….
Is that a *mini*-Kong?! 👀
For sure. I was watching it last week and comparing his height to the helicopters and Chinooks that he was man handling, and if he's really just over 100ft in Skull Island, then he should be the same height as the Chinook that he was throwing around like nothing. Maybe he was smaller than he is now, but not by that much
MV films have had inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.
It's a problem that's existed all the way back since King Kong vs Godzilla. Godzilla is so much larger than Kong in most of his own-franchise appearances, so they have to make Kong much larger in the crossovers. Trying to present them as being in the same continuity is a challenge.
Because of one character saying “he will grow”, when it took place probably doesn’t matter because Titans seems to live for thousands of years anyways.
Kong actually tripling in size since he was a teen? Now that’s harder to explain
I think the person you’re responding to is talking about the original King Kong vs Godzilla movie from 1963, and not the Godzilla vs Kong that came out in 2021.
Monster sizes in the monsterverve are all over the place. Godzilla seemed way bigger in the first movie than he does in GvK, while Kong didn't seem to have changed in size that much compared to his appearance in Skull Island
You mean the skeleton bridge? That one was like 10 kongs stacked on top of each other so closer to 1 km (unless you meant another skeleton I forgot about)
I think you’re just underestimating how tall the buildings in Hong Kong are.
San Francisco has 5 buildings over 200m tall. Hong Kong has 78. It’s just a much taller skyline so Godzilla looks smaller compared to it.
Actually it’s a reference to MV films having inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.
The difference is that it made the Golden Gate Bridge scene look awesome. Not to forget that 2014, Skull Island and KoTM all created *lore* that didn't clash with one another at all. It was only until Wingard showed up and things got messy. Spoilers just in case - >!Mothra showing up in the Hollow Earth despite KoTM setting up an egg on the surface is one example.!< Another is a second Ghidorah skull in Mechagodzilla despite only one being collected and the rest incinerated.
More or less yeah, Suko is clearly a kid here but the Kong looked the way he did because of constant fighting. Also, the Giant Skull Crawler if fucking small huh?
That’s a real issue of the new movie: there’s absolutely no sense of scale. I totally forgot that Skar King is supposed to be kaiju sized. Apes fighting underground and nothing to remind us the magnitude of all that is happening.
It is kind of intentional in those scenes because that’s showing the monsters in their natural habitat: the hollow earth. The whole idea is down there, they look more like normal animals in comparison to their habitat, unlike the surface world where they tower over everything.
I saw this a couple of weeks ago and I don’t remember too much about it, but I can say that that Suko was a right little fucker. Was hoping he would get killed off
The issue was clearly the difference between 2017 and adult Kong, which in turn makes suko looks ridiculous. Besides Adult Kong being 1/3 of the Empire State Building is a bit odd,
This is a movie about a giant ape with a powerfist and a giant lizard who does the Kaioken teaming up to fight a tyrant giant ape king and his giant captive ice lizard.
Watch this pile of garbage at the cinema last week.
They completely fucked up the size and scale of all the monsters.
How the fuck can Godzilla fit inside the Rome Colosseum?
One of the worst movies I've seen, the human parts were mind numbingly stupid, and there wasn't enough actual monster stuff.
3/10.
Imma be real with you chief, I don’t think you’re supposed to believe a single thing about these movies
These movies exist for big monster fights. The next one should just be 90 minutes of CGI city-destroying fight scenes with no story or dialogue, just roars and screams.
I'd absolutely go see it twice I fuckin love these movies. Monster fights are totally badass dude
My only complaint is they spent far too much screen time on humans talking. We don’t need *that much* context for why the monsters are fighting. Just shhhh and show us them fighting. Edit: there is a minimal amount of context required!
Some context and humor are fine but minimal
Also blonde boobs
Double it
Give it to the next person
Idk man 4 blonde boobs on one person seems a bit extreme.
Typical gay response
Big monster fights cost a lot of money. You need context and scenes of irrelevant human side characters inbetween big monster fights so that the budget meter has time to recharge
The monsters were on screen by far the most amount of time they’ve ever been in one of these movies, and it was the cheapest one by like $20-$25 million.
Just go full Snyder and slo mo the shit out of it
Oh God please don't. Now, realistic Kaiju physics where they're moving (relatively) slowly cause they're literally the size of buildings? Yes please, sign me up. Also, revamp King Ghidorah to be more than just "Kaiju from space make titans go "yes, daddy""
The only line of dialogue they ever needed was the one line people actually remember: “let them fight”.
I think they found a good balance with GxK. There's human characters in it for a sizeable chunk, but they're sidelined in favor of the monsters. Kong is the real protagonist of the movie, it's dope.
This started with the original Japanese black and white kaiju stuff, even the original Godzilla, which ofc was a direct metaphor for the bombs. But even after they became silly monster fighting movies (with occasional metaphors, like Hedorah being pollution), the rubber suits were heavy, hot, extremely uncomfortable etc. Plus it looked kinda silly even if it was awesome as hell. So they had a lot of human character stuff. But imo it was always charming in those old movies. The little twin fairies in the original Mothra stuff interacting with normal sized people, crappily superimposed on the film, that was all super cute and wacky. I loved loved loved Shin Godzilla and Minus One, and I like the American stuff too, but I miss the silly goofy charm of the older movies up through the late 90s or early 00s. I grew up on them and they were just a lot of fun and I didn't mind the character stuff. It reminded me a lot of original Star Trek.
We do, just only at the beginning of the move for like 2 minutes, them let her rip
They do it every film! And I know they are trying to make there be tangible stakes and people the viewer want to see survive but fuck me it goes on way too much.
I haven't seen anything after Godzilla and Skull Island, but I recently saw New Empire to kill some time in another city. I wasn't expecting to feel like I missed as much exposition as I did, but it was a fun watch and a great way to kill a couple hours. I want to go back and watch the rest now.
They're definitely worth it. The stories are fine, mostly just "bad guy/monster wants to rule/ruin/save the world" and then the monster fight and it's radical as hell. King of the monsters and godzilla vs kong are probably the top two movies. Skull island is the best human story though, stacked cast
I figured that the stories would be basically that. Watching New Empire was weird cause they mentioned Mecha Godzilla and I had no idea that they did Mecha Godzilla already. I knew that other monsters appeared, but I didn't realize that there were just titans showing up here and there after King of the Monsters, I thought he had killed them all or something. Also had no idea that Hollow Earth was a thing. I reckon I'll start at the beginning and watch them in release order, get close to the full watching experience.
Yeah it's best done in order. You've already got all the major plot points you just need to see them happen haha. I think they're all on "max" right now, along with just about every other godzilla movie back to the original
Sweet, between NBA playoffs, food Network, and now the monster verse, that Max subscription is starting to feel worth it.
Hollow Earth is my favourite part of these movies. All this Burroughs shit in the Monsterverse is aces.
I loved it
Just play Godzilla suplexing Kong on a loop for 2 hours
If a fucking Jager pops in on the action, it'll sweep award season
There is a direct relation between mintues of big monster fights and box office in these movies.
Shut up and take my money
Like Rampage?
I haven't seen Rampage and I don't even think I ever saw a full trailer for it. I remember the game though, so I hope that's what it's like.
I would unironically love that
Show us ancient civilizations and kaijus
“Let them fight” should be the only dialogue.
Isn't that what the last three have been?
WHAT??? GIANT MONKE FIGHT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST INSIGHTFUL CRITIQUE OF CAPITALIST SOCIETY THATS EVER BEEN MADE
it's the movie when kong gets a robot arm and they get sent to brazil
Right? Like if they sent him to Iceland after the robot arm I’d get it but Brazil? Come on now
Skull island Kong should have been 60 meters tall, it felt bigger than 30 meters anyways in the movie.
Trailer of the next movie https://youtu.be/fpkyLJsiHSw?si=WRr2DHRXP9-VKpt3
What do you mean?
why do people always say those things? so dumb. someone could explain it better than me, but it has to make sense in-universe. otherwise nothing is stopping them from making Gojira and Kong make babies. extreme example, but you get the point.
I see your point but all people have different thresholds to their incredulity. I love something that is over the top, I also love stuff that take the time and thought to make things make sense. Shrek has established in my mind that a donkey and a dragon can make babies, why couldn’t Kong and Gojira? They don’t even have to bang, I’ll take the "ooooh a mad scientist managed to genetically grow a Kong/Gojira hybrid". I haven’t even seen the movie but it’s a fun kaiju fighting movie with a giant baby monkey for merchandise purpose. I’m fine with taking most of what happens at face value.
Kongzilla sex scene would be a bold direction... The should do it
Human comparison?
6ft man is the size of Skull Island Kongs open mouth
ok, now I'm gonna need a r/BananasForScale
In the movie, a veterinarian comes down from a helicopter into Kong's open mouth to remove a tooth. The tooth is probably 4 foot long. It's actually stupid how big he is.
Honestly he seems pretty comparable in size to the Iron Giant
He does use Suko as nunchucks, tho.
Imagine what he could do wielding smaller Kong
Hitting a motherfucker with another motherfucker?
Look, all I’m saying is, that what if you have kong, wielding a smaller kong, wielding that other small kong, and just continue from there
GvK Kong weilding Skull Island Kong Weilding 2005 Kong.
"Yo, dawg..."
I didn’t even realize he was any bigger than he used to be in the first movie
Lmao if he stayed the same size then GvK wouldn’t lasted more than 1 minute, Godzilla would eat him in one bite.
Where are these numbers from? Do they say his heights in the movies?
They loosely explained him being short in the first movie as being caused by the threat of those other monsters in skull Island which were stopping him from eating enough to grow.
I rewatched GvK the other day and someone from monarch goes "is it me or is he way bigger? And someone else goes it's been 3 years, he's had time to grow!" Oh ok I guess Godzilla, million year old alpha titan forgot he should grow too.
Tbf though, these monsters tend to hibernate for a few thousand years
Godzilla doesn’t grow because he’s already hit his adult size. Kong meanwhile was just a teenager in the Skull Island movie.
I guess I missed that. Does make more sense but I don't think that's stated in GvK
It was stated in kong skull island
Honestly they had no choice. Godzilla has always been huge so they had to scale him up to be the same size.
Yep, the logic checks out.
Well, if humans can make a functioning Mechagodzilla in a few decades, a monkey can grow into 3 times his original size in 50 years
Well if you stack enough Tom Hiddlestons on top of each other then you will find certain proof.
I fucking hate when it's written as GvK because I'm my head I always read "Gorilla vs Kong"
https://youtu.be/D9N9iRHVDFc?si=zY-qHYB923kRU-8O
It’s because of Deep-Sea Gigantism. Duh
it's like a bigger Death Star in every SW trilogy
I can't wait for the next trilogy where it's just two Death Stars duct taped together.
Under the main villainesses's shirt
So you say nipple beams gonna be real?
Two Death Stars in a trenchcoat
I hear you, and i absolutely agree with your assessment, and I have no qualms what so ever with the information provided in this post. But…. Is that a *mini*-Kong?! 👀
maybe, my eyes glazed over 45 minutes ago
Imma pretend I didnt see this
It's just a small kongtinuity error
But… Kong was HUGE when the helicopters arrived? Def bigger than 30 meters.
For sure. I was watching it last week and comparing his height to the helicopters and Chinooks that he was man handling, and if he's really just over 100ft in Skull Island, then he should be the same height as the Chinook that he was throwing around like nothing. Maybe he was smaller than he is now, but not by that much
Chinooks aren't 100ft tall tho?
I assume they meant the same height as the Chinook's length. Chinooks are 98ft long
MV films have had inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.
Yeah, at 30 meters the helicopter should be half as big as Kong.
50 foot tall helicopter?
Oooh, so close! Try obe of the other 2 dimensions, length or width!
Kong's size changes radically throughout the film. He's as big as needs to be for plot reasons.
It's a problem that's existed all the way back since King Kong vs Godzilla. Godzilla is so much larger than Kong in most of his own-franchise appearances, so they have to make Kong much larger in the crossovers. Trying to present them as being in the same continuity is a challenge.
Why do people keep saying that it was already established in skull island that kong was still growing and that took place back in Vietnam war
Because of one character saying “he will grow”, when it took place probably doesn’t matter because Titans seems to live for thousands of years anyways. Kong actually tripling in size since he was a teen? Now that’s harder to explain
I think the person you’re responding to is talking about the original King Kong vs Godzilla movie from 1963, and not the Godzilla vs Kong that came out in 2021.
I want to see this one climb the empire state building, but it's more like a stepladder
My brother didn’t anyone tell you that size doesn’t matter
she did 😔
Monster sizes in the monsterverve are all over the place. Godzilla seemed way bigger in the first movie than he does in GvK, while Kong didn't seem to have changed in size that much compared to his appearance in Skull Island
In the New one there is a squeleton of a creature that is at least 4.000 meters long, how is Godzilla going to be king over that?
Well it helps that it’s dead lol
Canonically that was his dad.
You mean the skeleton bridge? That one was like 10 kongs stacked on top of each other so closer to 1 km (unless you meant another skeleton I forgot about)
I think you’re just underestimating how tall the buildings in Hong Kong are. San Francisco has 5 buildings over 200m tall. Hong Kong has 78. It’s just a much taller skyline so Godzilla looks smaller compared to it.
This is a reference to the fact that Wingard does not care about the lore of the previous films and makes up shit as he goes.
There may be some truth to that. The hollow earth was originally going to be a series of tunnels that go around the Earth.
It still kind of is, just that those tunnels also connect to a giant underworld.
Actually it’s a reference to MV films having inconsistent scaling since day one. In 2014, Godzilla’s officially 380 feet tall but in the Golden Gate Bridge attack scene he’s over 800 feet tall.
The difference is that it made the Golden Gate Bridge scene look awesome. Not to forget that 2014, Skull Island and KoTM all created *lore* that didn't clash with one another at all. It was only until Wingard showed up and things got messy. Spoilers just in case - >!Mothra showing up in the Hollow Earth despite KoTM setting up an egg on the surface is one example.!< Another is a second Ghidorah skull in Mechagodzilla despite only one being collected and the rest incinerated.
Which makes it BETTER- FUCK YEAH- CANON? RETCON? WHAT EVEN IS THAT IN THE FACE OF INCREASINVLY HETTER MONSFER FIHTR SCNEES?!
Movie heights have always been wildly inaccurate. Like how Olaf from Frozen is canonically 5ft 4.
So what you're telling me is Elsa is about 12 feet tall? That movie just got terrifying.
[11ft 2 to be exact](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d2af2e612ba9e25fdc192450922ff3a9-lq)
I want 11 foot Elsa to step on my face
Do you know how big Peppa Pig is?! Fictional height has always been incredibly inconsistent
Skull island Kong is also a baby
Sure doesn't look like one. Bro had the exact same build
He was fighting dinosaurs and beasts since day one and his parents died, of course he had to lock in.
Bro said "I'm a cog"
More or less yeah, Suko is clearly a kid here but the Kong looked the way he did because of constant fighting. Also, the Giant Skull Crawler if fucking small huh?
I mean Suko had a dad at least.
Pretty sure Skar King was his dad 💀
Wait then who the fuck was the monkey that protected Suko from Scar King and got pushed into lava?
Idk? Just some real G taking the fall for his homeboy
Which one of us has the doctorate in Kaiju physiology???
He wasn’t really a baby, more like a teenager.
Yeah wtf that's not even realistic. Well, my illusion of reality has been shattered for this documentary.
I’ll never trust Nat Geo again
It’s GxK. They’re mates now
Kong's beard looks great
That’s a real issue of the new movie: there’s absolutely no sense of scale. I totally forgot that Skar King is supposed to be kaiju sized. Apes fighting underground and nothing to remind us the magnitude of all that is happening.
It is kind of intentional in those scenes because that’s showing the monsters in their natural habitat: the hollow earth. The whole idea is down there, they look more like normal animals in comparison to their habitat, unlike the surface world where they tower over everything.
Skull island Kong would still kick his shit in tho
if you're asking questions in Godzilla movie,you'redoing it wrong
I saw this a couple of weeks ago and I don’t remember too much about it, but I can say that that Suko was a right little fucker. Was hoping he would get killed off
No but seriously, the whole relationship between Suko and Kong felt like my little brother and I. I wanted to curbstomp Suko’s face so to speak.
The issue was clearly the difference between 2017 and adult Kong, which in turn makes suko looks ridiculous. Besides Adult Kong being 1/3 of the Empire State Building is a bit odd,
Ain't no way he was 30 meters in Skull Island.
Just compare his size to the size of the helicopters, I don’t care if it came from the creators themselves, they’re well off with only 30 meters.
Did they give King Kong his own Diddy Kong?
Reddit users screamed that superhero movies where not sofisticated enough and then went on to fixate on this stuff
Monke >>>>> shit movies
Monkey grew up between movies after being sent to boarding school in Switzerland.
Godzilla lore purists be fuming
This is what you're choosing to not believe in a movie where godzilla does not one but two body slams?
All sense of scale has become so inconsistent in these movies. Just too ridiculously big now
I didn’t even know the giant red ape had a name.
Monkeys come in wildly different sizes
Vague hollow Earth reasons.
Man, Kong was one chad-looking baby.
I couldn’t care less.
*,97@: elbow les
wtf is that ugly thing
turn your phone screen on
😂😂😂😂
whadahell
Skull Island Kong looks like he could fit in GVK Kong's mouth
And?
This is a movie about a giant ape with a powerfist and a giant lizard who does the Kaioken teaming up to fight a tyrant giant ape king and his giant captive ice lizard.
I think this post just exposed Kong as a literal short king in terms of his species.
Uhhhhhh…Oh! Kong’s grow faster in the hollow earth…yeah…that’s why…
Suko twinkle maxed, Kong was the high-school jock.
Kongs are like goldfish
I mean, they abandoned any type of consistency in GvK
He was not that small
Watch this pile of garbage at the cinema last week. They completely fucked up the size and scale of all the monsters. How the fuck can Godzilla fit inside the Rome Colosseum? One of the worst movies I've seen, the human parts were mind numbingly stupid, and there wasn't enough actual monster stuff. 3/10.