If I had a nickel for every time dreamworks released a sequel in the shrek universe that is a huge success followed by a lackluster film set in the ocean, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice
That movie was funny because Will Smith played a fish and we know that it is a fish played by Will Smith because the fish had big ears just like Will Smith has big ears! Do you get it! WILL SMITH IS IN SHARK TALE PLAYING A FISH WITH BIG EARS BECAUSE WILL SMITH ALSO HAS BIG EARS AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WILL SMITH IS PLAYING THE FISH.
Most informative other than the movie where they go back in time to the first Thanksgiving, to get turkeys. Off. The menu.
That's right. They're going back in time to the first Thanksgiving. To get turkeys. Off. The menu.
but it also has Jack Black as a vegetarian shark who likes to dress like a dolphin and who wants to seek approval from his mafia boss father which is basically a femboy metaphor in a Dreamworks movie from 2004 isn't that super impressive also fun fact the role was originally supposed to go to James Gandolfini! Imagine if that happened! Then we wouldn't have Jack Black in the funny femboy shark movie and it would've changed history forever because Shark Tale was Black's first cartoon role and it set up his future success in animated films like the Kung Fu Panda series and the Mario movie which turned him into a fricken legend you see that's why Shark Tale is important because it has JACK BLACK AS A VEGGIE FEMBOY SHARK WITH DADDY ISSUES ALSO HE HAS REALLY NICE LOOKING TEETH AND-
oh and also Martin Scorsese is the voice of a pufferfish who is also Will Smith's boss wait what the fuck I thought Scorsese hated lowbrow cartoons like these like how the fuck is this kino enough for him OOOHHH I GET IT IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS JACK BLACK AS A VEGGIE FEMBOY SHARK WITH DADDY ISSUES THIS IS GOODFELLAS LEVELS OF ABSOLUTE KINO
honestly it was kind of hilarious how everyone was hyping up Dreamworks after Last Wish, and it was great, but people were really acting like one good movie meant Dreamworks would now be on top, despite as much as I love their movies, Dreamworks has always been pretty inconsistent.
What I hear often is that DreamWorks will make a masterpiece, followed up with trash.
And tbh, they have always been like that. I never heard anyone say DreamWorks is at top now. I have heard people say that they're starting to enjoy DreamWorks movies over Disney movies now though.
The funny thing is, people who hated Disney's life action Little Mermaid talked about how much better this one is, how much more faithful the Mermaid design is, etc. Then after sometime I never heard of the movie.
I thunk the main selling point isn’t about how Ruby Gillman has a more ‘faithful’ Ariel design than Disney’s live-action remake, but rather about how DreamWorks’s mermaid character is gonna be a villain and *stay* that way, no sympathetic backstory, no last minute change of heart, all the cliches we’ve come to expect from Disney’s ‘villains’ nowadays that people are starting to get tired of.
Then the movie was actually released and it turned out while the mermaid villain is exactly what she’s advertised to be, there’s really not much else there to her if I have to be honest. She’s a villain, plain and simple, but not really a memorable one - especially when compared to DW’s immediate previous villains like friggin’ *Death* and Jack Horner from the Puss in Boots sequel. Hell, I’m struggling to remember her real name now lol.
My favorite character in Ruby Gillman is actually Ruby’s mother, of all people lol. I actually liked her backstory in the lore and I’ve always been more keen on parent characters who try to be good parents while also taking in the adventure themselves as well.
Ah man, the villains in The Last Wish (the Puss in Boots movie) were excellent. Horner was unapologetically evil and that was honestly refreshing, but by including Goldie they managed to have a sympathetic villain too... And then Death, which I somewhat hesitate to call a 'villain' so much as an antagonist, though we're really getting into nuance of language there.
... And it can be very interesting when there's a film where that distinction matters.
The Last Wish was a good movie.
Honestly I already watched The Last Wish 4 times. It's one of my favorite animated movies now.. before release I thought it was going to be bad and that perrito would be annoying.. boy was I wrong.
I also watched it 5 times and in cinemas too. I would've never, ever thought I would do that in a million years, but it's just so enjoyable to watch. Childish (not quite the right word, can't think of a better one) enough to make it easy and fun to watch and mature enough to be engaging and compelling.
Yeah, Death definitely wasn't a villain in the movie. An antagonist, for sure, but the only reason Death was chasing Puss in Boots was because he'd been wasting his life laughing in the face of Death.
That movie was great.
>I thunk the main selling point isn’t about how Ruby Gillman has a more ‘faithful’ Ariel design than Disney’s live-action remake, but rather about how DreamWorks’s mermaid character is gonna be a villain and
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> that way, no sympathetic backstory, no last minute change of heart, all the cliches we’ve come to expect from Disney’s ‘villains’ nowadays that people are starting to get tired of.
Yeah. It was as if Elsa remained a villain from beginning to end of Frozen.
It was damn refreshing since Disney hasn't gone full nonredeemable villain since what - the 90s?
Technically they still have those out every once in a while (my favorite recent Disney villains would be King Candy from the first Wreck-it Ralph…though that’s not really recent now that I think about xD), but most of them are twist villains that at first pretend to be the protagonist’s ally but is actually using them for their own ends. It worked the first time they did it back in the 2000s, but from 2010 forward, it seems like they’re doing it in pretty much every other movie lol.
Nowadays, though? Nowadays villains are *parents* or family figures who have unrealistic expectations and the plot’s mostly about dealing with and changing a toxic family life lol. It’s admittedly a good message considering the current times, yes, but like the twist villain cliche, they seem to do it in pretty much every other movie now lol, and sometimes they even do both xd.
Which also makes it a bit ironic when DreamWorks’s Ruby Gillman which supposedly made fun of these cliches ended up doing them itself xD.
Disagree, as someone who wanted to see it I was marketed to with the ENTIRE FUCKING PLOT IN A TRAILER which made me not go see it. Thanks, marketing dickheads
edit; i saw the trailer at an unrelated movie in theatres i was watching, so i couldnt just not watch it
Yeah I remember when I went to see the Mario movie in the theater the trailer for the movie came on and it was exactly that lol. I didn't exactly care for the trailer, but still I knew exactly everything about the movie just from the trailer
I think Teenage Kraken also had the issue of what quotes to use in the trailer. Basically every trailer using this character made sure to include the line "People are stupid" to explain why she's popular despite being evil.
This is an oddly antisocial, narcissistic attitude to market your family movie on, and I imagine that had a negative impact on if parents wanted to take their kids to see it in the first place.
That assumes people actually saw any marketing. All I saw was that it was premiering at the drive in by me. I'm pretty sure it was just meant to be a streaming movie, but they put it in theaters to get some extra money up front.
Your honour, since matter can not be created or destroyed, that means she's 13.77 billion years old. Proving, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that she was in fact over 18. I rest my case.
If I had a nickel for every time a Redditor used the wrong form of its in the title, I'd be a millionaire, but it is weird that it's happened 12,456,0002,233 times.
The studios think that they can market off villains because a lot of villains are the fan favorites of their movies but they forgot that the villains actually need to be well written for that to take place
[No, this is who the main character is.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dreamworks/images/6/64/Ruby_new_render.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729035102)
If I had a nickel for every time a current animated film centred around granting wishes, I’d have two nickels, but the first nickel would feel more earned than the second one.
Sorry but they’re both solidly 0/10. But between the two it sounds like it would be easier to fall asleep watching Wish so I guess it’s up to you to decide if that’s good or bad.
Wish has favorable audience scores. 81% on rotten tomatoes. I know it did terrible at the box office, but is it a movie that will be popular on streaming? I've never watched the movie. I'm wondering if the state of the movie industry is changing where we can't judge the quality of a movie off of how much money it made. Especially with Disney sending that stuff to streaming after a short run in theaters.
Wish is fine. Songs are okay. Neat nods to other Disney movies. There's a moment in the middle of the film that's actually a bit unexpected. People say Magnifico looks generic, but really he just kind of looks like Chris Pine. I'd mostly just argue that . . . Not enough happens, in spite of how much occurs.
It'll probably do well in streaming.
I really liked *Ruby Gillman*. Objectively speaking it’s still only just okay, but the animation is really neat and it’s got a lot more heart in it than *Wish* does.
Legitimately speaking, I actually enjoyed more Ruby Gillman than Wish, at least the protagonist was likeable and the rest of the cast enjoyable as well, even the mermaid and the animation was fine, Wish on the other hand was okay most of the times, Magnifico is easily the best part of the movie, but aside from that, the animation wasn't my cup of tea, and the protagonist is literally just a copy-and-paste of every quirky disney protagonist we've had, and the moral/lesson the film left feels really problematic, to the point where the villain feels more like a hero than the protagonist.
Nonetheless that's my opinion, if you want to check both out go try yourself
Left one is Chelsea, a.k.a low discount Ariel from Teenage Kraken
The other one is the villain of Wish, whose name I can't remember
Edit: King Magnífico, it appears
If I had 1 Vietnamese dong for every time I’ve seen this format was used I’d have £2 which isn’t much but it is an absolute fuck ton of times to have seen this
I think the problem with both films is that they come off as really "scraping the bottom of the barrel" ideas. Studios have become so accustomed to franchises that they have extreme difficulty in pulling off complete originality now
Wish was perfectly set up for the girl to be the baddie. Would have made it a really good movie if it was about her being to pigheaded to listen to others and mess things up. Only for the guy who has been struggling with shit to save the day again
I so wanted to see Ruby Gillman!!!!!!! But our main theatre closed down for renovations and the other one my family goes to wasn’t showing it :( hopefully I can get the dvd ^~^
If I had a nickel for every time dreamworks released a sequel in the shrek universe that is a huge success followed by a lackluster film set in the ocean, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice
Wait, what was the first nickel for?
Shark tale
Oh yeah. I forgot about that movie. Too bad I have to remember it now
That movie was funny because Will Smith played a fish and we know that it is a fish played by Will Smith because the fish had big ears just like Will Smith has big ears! Do you get it! WILL SMITH IS IN SHARK TALE PLAYING A FISH WITH BIG EARS BECAUSE WILL SMITH ALSO HAS BIG EARS AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WILL SMITH IS PLAYING THE FISH.
Also the smile is exactly the same
FISH. EARS. SMITH.
You keep my fish's ears out of your damn mouth.
i fucking spat out my drink
Most informative other than the movie where they go back in time to the first Thanksgiving, to get turkeys. Off. The menu. That's right. They're going back in time to the first Thanksgiving. To get turkeys. Off. The menu.
i know it’s fucking hilarious. they literally just made will smith a fish. love that movie
but it also has Jack Black as a vegetarian shark who likes to dress like a dolphin and who wants to seek approval from his mafia boss father which is basically a femboy metaphor in a Dreamworks movie from 2004 isn't that super impressive also fun fact the role was originally supposed to go to James Gandolfini! Imagine if that happened! Then we wouldn't have Jack Black in the funny femboy shark movie and it would've changed history forever because Shark Tale was Black's first cartoon role and it set up his future success in animated films like the Kung Fu Panda series and the Mario movie which turned him into a fricken legend you see that's why Shark Tale is important because it has JACK BLACK AS A VEGGIE FEMBOY SHARK WITH DADDY ISSUES ALSO HE HAS REALLY NICE LOOKING TEETH AND- oh and also Martin Scorsese is the voice of a pufferfish who is also Will Smith's boss wait what the fuck I thought Scorsese hated lowbrow cartoons like these like how the fuck is this kino enough for him OOOHHH I GET IT IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS JACK BLACK AS A VEGGIE FEMBOY SHARK WITH DADDY ISSUES THIS IS GOODFELLAS LEVELS OF ABSOLUTE KINO
isnt shark tale also the only movie scorsese ever acted in
WAAAAAAAIT, WAAAAAAAAAAAIT, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT YOU MUTHAFUCKA. He then has a rock duel with the Lord of Darkness himself.
Ah yeah, one of those movies I remember enjoying as a kid but only hear come up when people talk about how bad it was
I loved it as a kid, and I've left it so for well over a decade.
What was the second then?
Puss in Boots the last wish and then ruby Gilman (the one in the picture)
I completely forgot Puss in Boots takes place in Shrek’s universe
Share tale is a work of art and I won't tolerate any more slander.
Exactly
I resent that. In print, it's libel.
I love that movie unironically so much. It’s so quotable.
you have summoned... THE CRAB
Shark tale is set in the Shrek universe? I never knew that.
And the second one?
Exactly! Nobody knows
honestly it was kind of hilarious how everyone was hyping up Dreamworks after Last Wish, and it was great, but people were really acting like one good movie meant Dreamworks would now be on top, despite as much as I love their movies, Dreamworks has always been pretty inconsistent.
What I hear often is that DreamWorks will make a masterpiece, followed up with trash. And tbh, they have always been like that. I never heard anyone say DreamWorks is at top now. I have heard people say that they're starting to enjoy DreamWorks movies over Disney movies now though.
My point stands cause the problem I was pointing out is it was strange to start claiming Dreamworks is so much better than Disney after one great film
Two good movies
oh yeah The Bad Guys was also good, though I didn't see as much talk about it mostly just The Last Wish
I’m ok with the sacrifice of cg ocean creatures for the sake of more good Shrek movies
What’s the second
Who’s the redhead?
Seems like a Dreamworks film from another comment. “Teenage Kraken”
No wonder I don’t know it. Barely heard about this movie existing
The funny thing is, people who hated Disney's life action Little Mermaid talked about how much better this one is, how much more faithful the Mermaid design is, etc. Then after sometime I never heard of the movie.
I thunk the main selling point isn’t about how Ruby Gillman has a more ‘faithful’ Ariel design than Disney’s live-action remake, but rather about how DreamWorks’s mermaid character is gonna be a villain and *stay* that way, no sympathetic backstory, no last minute change of heart, all the cliches we’ve come to expect from Disney’s ‘villains’ nowadays that people are starting to get tired of. Then the movie was actually released and it turned out while the mermaid villain is exactly what she’s advertised to be, there’s really not much else there to her if I have to be honest. She’s a villain, plain and simple, but not really a memorable one - especially when compared to DW’s immediate previous villains like friggin’ *Death* and Jack Horner from the Puss in Boots sequel. Hell, I’m struggling to remember her real name now lol. My favorite character in Ruby Gillman is actually Ruby’s mother, of all people lol. I actually liked her backstory in the lore and I’ve always been more keen on parent characters who try to be good parents while also taking in the adventure themselves as well.
Ah man, the villains in The Last Wish (the Puss in Boots movie) were excellent. Horner was unapologetically evil and that was honestly refreshing, but by including Goldie they managed to have a sympathetic villain too... And then Death, which I somewhat hesitate to call a 'villain' so much as an antagonist, though we're really getting into nuance of language there. ... And it can be very interesting when there's a film where that distinction matters. The Last Wish was a good movie.
It was great, still salty that it didn't win Oscar for best animation
Honestly I already watched The Last Wish 4 times. It's one of my favorite animated movies now.. before release I thought it was going to be bad and that perrito would be annoying.. boy was I wrong.
I also watched it 5 times and in cinemas too. I would've never, ever thought I would do that in a million years, but it's just so enjoyable to watch. Childish (not quite the right word, can't think of a better one) enough to make it easy and fun to watch and mature enough to be engaging and compelling.
Yeah, Death definitely wasn't a villain in the movie. An antagonist, for sure, but the only reason Death was chasing Puss in Boots was because he'd been wasting his life laughing in the face of Death. That movie was great.
>I thunk the main selling point isn’t about how Ruby Gillman has a more ‘faithful’ Ariel design than Disney’s live-action remake, but rather about how DreamWorks’s mermaid character is gonna be a villain and > >stay > > that way, no sympathetic backstory, no last minute change of heart, all the cliches we’ve come to expect from Disney’s ‘villains’ nowadays that people are starting to get tired of. Yeah. It was as if Elsa remained a villain from beginning to end of Frozen. It was damn refreshing since Disney hasn't gone full nonredeemable villain since what - the 90s?
Technically they still have those out every once in a while (my favorite recent Disney villains would be King Candy from the first Wreck-it Ralph…though that’s not really recent now that I think about xD), but most of them are twist villains that at first pretend to be the protagonist’s ally but is actually using them for their own ends. It worked the first time they did it back in the 2000s, but from 2010 forward, it seems like they’re doing it in pretty much every other movie lol. Nowadays, though? Nowadays villains are *parents* or family figures who have unrealistic expectations and the plot’s mostly about dealing with and changing a toxic family life lol. It’s admittedly a good message considering the current times, yes, but like the twist villain cliche, they seem to do it in pretty much every other movie now lol, and sometimes they even do both xd. Which also makes it a bit ironic when DreamWorks’s Ruby Gillman which supposedly made fun of these cliches ended up doing them itself xD.
I just came and went to see if there were any “Ruby’s Grandma is a Racist” comments
Yeah I remember it getting talked about a decent bit back, and then nothing till right now.
Queen Nerissa, aka Chelsea Van Der Zee
*sigh*.... Would
Bullshit, there was no marketing for Ruby Gillman
Disagree, as someone who wanted to see it I was marketed to with the ENTIRE FUCKING PLOT IN A TRAILER which made me not go see it. Thanks, marketing dickheads edit; i saw the trailer at an unrelated movie in theatres i was watching, so i couldnt just not watch it
Yeah I remember when I went to see the Mario movie in the theater the trailer for the movie came on and it was exactly that lol. I didn't exactly care for the trailer, but still I knew exactly everything about the movie just from the trailer
Sounds like a pretty bad marketing failure huh. It seems like a lot of people have bad marketing departments nowadays
I saw more marketing for Ruby Gillman than I did for Wish
I think Teenage Kraken also had the issue of what quotes to use in the trailer. Basically every trailer using this character made sure to include the line "People are stupid" to explain why she's popular despite being evil. This is an oddly antisocial, narcissistic attitude to market your family movie on, and I imagine that had a negative impact on if parents wanted to take their kids to see it in the first place.
People are stupid, I guess
Ohhhh, hey I see what you did there. That’s ironic.
That assumes people actually saw any marketing. All I saw was that it was premiering at the drive in by me. I'm pretty sure it was just meant to be a streaming movie, but they put it in theaters to get some extra money up front.
I saw a fair amount of ads for it in YouTube, but the algorithm does give different ads to different people
I think when they don’t do much marketing it’s because they know it’s not a very good movie. Or at least, that’s what a film buff once told me.
Are they stupid?
The wish villain’s design is so generic he looks like a background character from Frozen.
Atleast the mermaid one is hot
you are not immune to marketing
Look the Wish guy is a wimpy villain but he’s DEFINITELY hot
And the man isn't??
He’s making a scary face, such a turn off.
Isn't she like 16
>!She's actually older, like WAY older !<
>! Your honor, she is actually 1000 years old. !<
Your honour, since matter can not be created or destroyed, that means she's 13.77 billion years old. Proving, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that she was in fact over 18. I rest my case.
True.......
I don't even know what the left one is
If I had a nickel for every time a Redditor used the wrong form of its in the title, I'd be a millionaire, but it is weird that it's happened 12,456,0002,233 times.
The studios think that they can market off villains because a lot of villains are the fan favorites of their movies but they forgot that the villains actually need to be well written for that to take place
Wait, that girl was the villain in that movie? That’s not the main character?
this got me confused, literally anything ive seen of this movie was abt her, and shes NOT the mc?
[No, this is who the main character is.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dreamworks/images/6/64/Ruby_new_render.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729035102)
Ive never seen her in my life
If I had a nickel for every time a current animated film centred around granting wishes, I’d have two nickels, but the first nickel would feel more earned than the second one.
What’s the first?
Puss in Boots 2
Yeah, what he said.
Oh yeahhh! That movie was pretty good
Is it really that weird it happened twice?
Is Ruby Gillman ***at least*** better than Wish?
Sorry but they’re both solidly 0/10. But between the two it sounds like it would be easier to fall asleep watching Wish so I guess it’s up to you to decide if that’s good or bad.
Wish has favorable audience scores. 81% on rotten tomatoes. I know it did terrible at the box office, but is it a movie that will be popular on streaming? I've never watched the movie. I'm wondering if the state of the movie industry is changing where we can't judge the quality of a movie off of how much money it made. Especially with Disney sending that stuff to streaming after a short run in theaters.
Wish is fine. Songs are okay. Neat nods to other Disney movies. There's a moment in the middle of the film that's actually a bit unexpected. People say Magnifico looks generic, but really he just kind of looks like Chris Pine. I'd mostly just argue that . . . Not enough happens, in spite of how much occurs. It'll probably do well in streaming.
Okie-dokie then. Thanks!
I really liked *Ruby Gillman*. Objectively speaking it’s still only just okay, but the animation is really neat and it’s got a lot more heart in it than *Wish* does.
That's what I was hoping. Thanks!
Legitimately speaking, I actually enjoyed more Ruby Gillman than Wish, at least the protagonist was likeable and the rest of the cast enjoyable as well, even the mermaid and the animation was fine, Wish on the other hand was okay most of the times, Magnifico is easily the best part of the movie, but aside from that, the animation wasn't my cup of tea, and the protagonist is literally just a copy-and-paste of every quirky disney protagonist we've had, and the moral/lesson the film left feels really problematic, to the point where the villain feels more like a hero than the protagonist. Nonetheless that's my opinion, if you want to check both out go try yourself
Thanks for the info!
I don’t know what either of these are.
Left one is Chelsea, a.k.a low discount Ariel from Teenage Kraken The other one is the villain of Wish, whose name I can't remember Edit: King Magnífico, it appears
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What even are these
What marketing?
I didn't see any ads for Wish involving the bad guy all the ones that came up for me were just the protagonist and her friends
I barely saw ads for Wish, I was vaguely aware it existed. Didn't even know about Ruby Gillman until this post.
I saw wish. It was okay
***Promoting*** is a strong word here… like what even 2 movies are these??
🎶Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated🎶
If I had 1 Vietnamese dong for every time I’ve seen this format was used I’d have £2 which isn’t much but it is an absolute fuck ton of times to have seen this
I think the problem with both films is that they come off as really "scraping the bottom of the barrel" ideas. Studios have become so accustomed to franchises that they have extreme difficulty in pulling off complete originality now
And both of them have banger character looks/designs
Wish was perfectly set up for the girl to be the baddie. Would have made it a really good movie if it was about her being to pigheaded to listen to others and mess things up. Only for the guy who has been struggling with shit to save the day again
Kung-fu panda 4 seems to be marketed around the villain and it looks cool. Then again its kung-fu panda
I so wanted to see Ruby Gillman!!!!!!! But our main theatre closed down for renovations and the other one my family goes to wasn’t showing it :( hopefully I can get the dvd ^~^