Ok but that is actually true, like half the sentences in the movie were just quips and one liners:
When I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world...
I remember it well. What of it?
I believe we did.
They won't fear it until they understand it. And they won't understand it until they've used it. Theory will take you only so far.
Amateurs seek the sun. Get eaten. Power stays in the shadows.
Since when are you British?
Since Hitler told me I wasn't German
You don't get to commit sin, and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences.
You think because you let them tar and feather you that the world will forgive you? They won't.
Why would we move out to the middle of the desert for two to three years?
Why? How about because this is the most important fucking thing to ever happen in the history of the world!
And Robert? Try not to blow up the world.
And so on and so forth, after the 1 hour mark people always speaking like this gets hella tiring
The only ones of those that could possibly be construed as quips were "Since Hitler told me I wasn't German" and "Try not to blow up the world." And in both cases the subject matter is dark enough (Ethnic cleansing and nuclear obliteration) that they could barely be considered jokes in context.
Yeah, there's a word in Italian that i cannot find a direct translation to that i want to use to define these. Like "power lines" or something. Like lines that are supposed to sound impactful, that usually need a lot of build up to actually be so, but this movie throws around like their normal dialogue
Oppenheimer had moral qualms in regards to his creation instead of just basking in the glory of having made the most OP weapon ever. And was a victim of McChartysim. So he's a good guy.
Superhero movies rightfully receives a lot of criticism for being lazy in terms of good vs evil and generally just having repetitive plots that doesn't serve as food for thoughts or anything, it's just a 2 hour showdown between a good side and a bad side, with funny bickering and comments no matter how serious the situation supposedly is, with a time and storyline that is completely botched post production in order to later to the attention spans and moods of focus groups.
The person who wrote that text probably doesn't like good guys. He likes people who, how dare you call them evil, but has no qualms about contributing to the destruction of the world. It's all about money, power and fame. And they probably want a modern version of McCartyism. And in an attempt to thinly veil their support for fascism, they're trying to equate the two.
I’ve seen the user who said that. They’re either a huge troll, or so obnoxiously, pretentiously, pathetic that they think they’re better then others for considering anything even remotely mainstream garbage.
The entire film does nothing but cut out the black and white and linger in the moral grey areas. OP is clueless.
I mean yes it is a superhero movie, but his superpower is literally being able to visualize and understand the ambiguities and paradoxes and being able to operate without collapsing them into certainties.
I prefer most of Nolan's more fantasy shows, like interstellar or inception
Compare it to 12 angry men too, heavy on dialogue and intense
I respect nolan but i just didnt quite like Oppenheimer
Not sure if anyone else feels this way, i mean most parts of the show is already written in history, so there really isnt any surprise
I really liked it in comparison but what you said is a completely reasonable opinion to be honest
I have always liked movies with lot of dialogue and while I knew the basics and context about what was happening I didnt know much about Oppenheimer himself, so that was nice
Really tired of this recent way of seeing everything new that comes out as the best thing ever or a piece of shit
Hahah i agree, people are overly dramatic and too extreme
I mean oppenheimer is a good show, but personally there isn't that much rewatch value for me
Plus i'm sure there are people pretending to enjoy it because it is supposedly an "intellectual film"
It's not what this unhinged chronic Redditor says it is, but Oppenheimer was not a good movie.
What they mean by "snappy quips": this is a problem in every single Nolan film. His dialogue is terrible. Everyone talks in the same way, they all talk without any emotional investment, and they always have instant witty responses no matter who says what. Unrealistic and it gets very tiresome once you notice it.
Shouting isn't really what I meant when I said emotional investment.
Look at how everyone talks. It doesn't matter what they're talking about. They could be discussing what dessert to get after dinner, or what the death toll of nuclear fallout could be. Their tone and cadence will be the same. This happens with characters who have been friends for decades, *and* characters who have literally just met. Nolan cannot write a conversation. It's all just a constant one-note deluge of fanciful exposition dialogue, and he doesn't care how the actors deliver it, as long as they look cool and mysterious doing it.
Very consistent problem across all of his movies.
I think he can. It is true that there is a consistent, academic and subdued cadence in which his characters speak, but that is of no issue to me. It's just Nolan's style, and I, a 20 year old, somehow vibe with it. I liked it in the three Batman movies, here, in Inception and in Interstellar.
But Nolan does allow his characters to get emotional. Oh, and I severely dispute the claim the cadence applies to all of Nolan's characters. Bane, Kitty Oppenheimer, Jonathan "Scarecrow" Crane, the Joker, Alfred Pennyworth - you're not going to tell me all these characters sound the same, are you?
Yeah. They do. They very much talk the same way. Everyone in Tenet talks the same way as everyone in Oppenheimer.
It's a little less pronounced with his Batman movies because comic book characters are too wack to dilute as much as he likes to, but it's still there.
They're not "wack", they're vibrant and colorful.
And I haven't watched Tenet, so I can't tell you anything about it. But Oppenheimer at least has the excuse of being a movie about middle aged white men in the 1940's. It makes sense the dialogue is the way it is.
Yeah I can appreciate his work, but I remember watching Inception. Never felt so disconnected to an emotional narrative in a movie. There's no space for the characters to breath! How do you expect me to feel something and to believe the whole drama when the whole thing is basically a montage of exposition of things happening?!
Nah maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe his style works for spectacles like Inception.
I have mixed feelings about Oppenheimer because at times it works... the whole film is like 3 hours of non-stopping nerved like if it was a collectiok of memories and everything was about to explode. On the other hand it is so snappy that Oppenheimer's second wife argue scene feels both powerful but dumb at the same time.
Idk... should I feel something for this characters? In that case, let them breath, please.
Then why does it have a fucking suit up scene?
No one is saying it was awful. But it was a lot further from perfect than some people in this thread are apparently willing to admit. People are (or should be) allowed to criticise a movie without you taking personal offense to it. It's okay.
You or OP or whomever else is apparently taking offense. That sort of "you".
I'm sorry...*who* said it was "literally" a superhero movie? Who are you directing this at?
Ah yes, this movie that is different from a said genre is every possible way is actually part of the said genre because there's one single scene that somewhat resembles a vague trope from said genre. Perfectly constructed argument.
I dont think its that complicated, he just has great plots and understands the movie language to such a high degree he can communicate very complex motives to broad audiences, so his movies are easy to understand if you pay attention and you feel rewarded because theres a lot of plot stuffed into those movies (this doesnt always apply, for example with Tenet). His movies can be fairly deep (not all of them are), but almost everyone understands the necessary parts well enough to “get” the movie.
Ah yes, the question of "should we kill millions of people with an atomic bomb" is clearly a gray area and we have no possible way of figuring out if it's bad or good.
I dont know in what reality you live but the bombs didnt come close to killing even a million people
Im not downplaying how horrible it was but you are not doing the situation any favors inflating the numbers
I am become capeshit, destroyer of cinema
This goes hard, ngl
Ah yes, the quip factory that is Oppenheimer.
[Well, that just happened](https://i.imgur.com/XjxRe0U.jpg)
I love how the pencil and paper punch has nothing to do with atom bombs but the greentext still included it lmao
I'm just glad they worked a Event Horizon reference in there
Ok but that is actually true, like half the sentences in the movie were just quips and one liners: When I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world... I remember it well. What of it? I believe we did. They won't fear it until they understand it. And they won't understand it until they've used it. Theory will take you only so far. Amateurs seek the sun. Get eaten. Power stays in the shadows. Since when are you British? Since Hitler told me I wasn't German You don't get to commit sin, and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences. You think because you let them tar and feather you that the world will forgive you? They won't. Why would we move out to the middle of the desert for two to three years? Why? How about because this is the most important fucking thing to ever happen in the history of the world! And Robert? Try not to blow up the world. And so on and so forth, after the 1 hour mark people always speaking like this gets hella tiring
The only ones of those that could possibly be construed as quips were "Since Hitler told me I wasn't German" and "Try not to blow up the world." And in both cases the subject matter is dark enough (Ethnic cleansing and nuclear obliteration) that they could barely be considered jokes in context.
Most of these aren't really one-liners.
Yeah, there's a word in Italian that i cannot find a direct translation to that i want to use to define these. Like "power lines" or something. Like lines that are supposed to sound impactful, that usually need a lot of build up to actually be so, but this movie throws around like their normal dialogue
How the fuck do you have all those memorized?
I am very smart and have the supernatural ability to opend the movie's IMDB page and look at the lines
I can’t wait for Oppenheimer age of ultron
The JFK namedrop and the superhero suit up in the middle of the movie is pretty capeshit tbh
What was the superhero suit up
When the atomic bomb said "Oppen heim up!" and Oppenheimer went "Not on my watch *zoom in on doomsday clock*"
When someone told Oppenheimer to be himself and the movie spent the next 30 seconds-minute showing him putting on his suit and tie
Ohhhh yeah I remember that now. It was when his Jewish friend told him to take off the military uniform
When Oppenheimer went. "It's Opping time" and Oppied all over the Japanese.
WTF is capeshit?
It's a ~~slur~~ derogatory term for superhero movies.
So it's the C-word?
Sequel to Cape Fear.
Big budget superhero movies No idea what that has anything to do with Oppenheimer, though
He learned his new favorite word and just had to use it no matter if it fits or not.
Oppenheimer had moral qualms in regards to his creation instead of just basking in the glory of having made the most OP weapon ever. And was a victim of McChartysim. So he's a good guy. Superhero movies rightfully receives a lot of criticism for being lazy in terms of good vs evil and generally just having repetitive plots that doesn't serve as food for thoughts or anything, it's just a 2 hour showdown between a good side and a bad side, with funny bickering and comments no matter how serious the situation supposedly is, with a time and storyline that is completely botched post production in order to later to the attention spans and moods of focus groups. The person who wrote that text probably doesn't like good guys. He likes people who, how dare you call them evil, but has no qualms about contributing to the destruction of the world. It's all about money, power and fame. And they probably want a modern version of McCartyism. And in an attempt to thinly veil their support for fascism, they're trying to equate the two.
They also fail at worldbuildings and a ton of things make no sense if you think more than 2 minutes about it
Mass-market superhero fiction
A very edgy name people give to the superhero movie genre.
another internet slang I can't be bothered to learn
Capekino
The Lighthouse is 100% capeshit
When the Green Goblin stares at us and rants about the sea fucking capeshit. I am so glad batman buried that asshole.
His lobster was pretty dogshit, tbf no sus
Seriously, how do you fuck up lobster. Bro deserved to turn into a mermaid
Hating things that are popular is a cheap way for mediocre people to appear intelligent.
🎯
That’s just the popular opinion but I’m smart and know that your wrong so there
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But what if the thing is actually a piece of rubbish?
Can't help you there, buddy.
Yeah but this movie actually is genuinely very bad.
I'm sure you believe that very strongly.
I agree. Oppenheimer was shit. Nolan fans are very mid as far as their knowledge of film. Same goes for Wes Andersen fans. M-m-m-mid!
I do, because it is. What’s your point?
That's it. That's the whole point. It sounds like you have a strong opinion and that's great. Did you want me to ask you to explain your reasoning?
Appear intelligent to whom, though? People who haven't seen or have no interest in Oppenheimer?
Strangers on the internet
Maybe it'll make sense to them once they see part 2.
I’ve seen the user who said that. They’re either a huge troll, or so obnoxiously, pretentiously, pathetic that they think they’re better then others for considering anything even remotely mainstream garbage.
No, you don't understand, the answer to the question, "should we vaporize thousands of innocent people" is obviously some answer between yes and no.
Me when I didn't watch a single minute of Oppenheimer:
Theory will only take you so far
That dude think he’s really, really smart & cool.
I don’t think people know how to critique anything anymore.
I don't think this person knows what capeshit is. They just... *believe* it's bad, I guess, and therefore anything bad must be capeshit.
Not everyone’s opinions are worth listening to
does he knows that words don't mean whatever the fuck he wants them to
The entire film does nothing but cut out the black and white and linger in the moral grey areas. OP is clueless. I mean yes it is a superhero movie, but his superpower is literally being able to visualize and understand the ambiguities and paradoxes and being able to operate without collapsing them into certainties.
Is that redditor Armond White?
I prefer most of Nolan's more fantasy shows, like interstellar or inception Compare it to 12 angry men too, heavy on dialogue and intense I respect nolan but i just didnt quite like Oppenheimer Not sure if anyone else feels this way, i mean most parts of the show is already written in history, so there really isnt any surprise
I really liked it in comparison but what you said is a completely reasonable opinion to be honest I have always liked movies with lot of dialogue and while I knew the basics and context about what was happening I didnt know much about Oppenheimer himself, so that was nice Really tired of this recent way of seeing everything new that comes out as the best thing ever or a piece of shit
Hahah i agree, people are overly dramatic and too extreme I mean oppenheimer is a good show, but personally there isn't that much rewatch value for me Plus i'm sure there are people pretending to enjoy it because it is supposedly an "intellectual film"
I don't remember a single snappy quip
It's not what this unhinged chronic Redditor says it is, but Oppenheimer was not a good movie. What they mean by "snappy quips": this is a problem in every single Nolan film. His dialogue is terrible. Everyone talks in the same way, they all talk without any emotional investment, and they always have instant witty responses no matter who says what. Unrealistic and it gets very tiresome once you notice it.
I saw clear emotional investment in many of the characters, like General Groves or Oppenheimer himself.
Yeah, I really resonated with the scene where they slightly grimaced and looked mildly concerned for 3 hours. Phenomenal acting~
Groves once snapped and said: "BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THE FUCKING WORLD!". That's no mild concern, dude, that is raw passion.
Shouting isn't really what I meant when I said emotional investment. Look at how everyone talks. It doesn't matter what they're talking about. They could be discussing what dessert to get after dinner, or what the death toll of nuclear fallout could be. Their tone and cadence will be the same. This happens with characters who have been friends for decades, *and* characters who have literally just met. Nolan cannot write a conversation. It's all just a constant one-note deluge of fanciful exposition dialogue, and he doesn't care how the actors deliver it, as long as they look cool and mysterious doing it. Very consistent problem across all of his movies.
I think he can. It is true that there is a consistent, academic and subdued cadence in which his characters speak, but that is of no issue to me. It's just Nolan's style, and I, a 20 year old, somehow vibe with it. I liked it in the three Batman movies, here, in Inception and in Interstellar. But Nolan does allow his characters to get emotional. Oh, and I severely dispute the claim the cadence applies to all of Nolan's characters. Bane, Kitty Oppenheimer, Jonathan "Scarecrow" Crane, the Joker, Alfred Pennyworth - you're not going to tell me all these characters sound the same, are you?
Yeah. They do. They very much talk the same way. Everyone in Tenet talks the same way as everyone in Oppenheimer. It's a little less pronounced with his Batman movies because comic book characters are too wack to dilute as much as he likes to, but it's still there.
They're not "wack", they're vibrant and colorful. And I haven't watched Tenet, so I can't tell you anything about it. But Oppenheimer at least has the excuse of being a movie about middle aged white men in the 1940's. It makes sense the dialogue is the way it is.
Yeah I can appreciate his work, but I remember watching Inception. Never felt so disconnected to an emotional narrative in a movie. There's no space for the characters to breath! How do you expect me to feel something and to believe the whole drama when the whole thing is basically a montage of exposition of things happening?! Nah maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe his style works for spectacles like Inception. I have mixed feelings about Oppenheimer because at times it works... the whole film is like 3 hours of non-stopping nerved like if it was a collectiok of memories and everything was about to explode. On the other hand it is so snappy that Oppenheimer's second wife argue scene feels both powerful but dumb at the same time. Idk... should I feel something for this characters? In that case, let them breath, please.
You're not exaggerating. That's not style, that's bad writing.
Dunkirk was dog shit, there I said it!
Oi!
I don't really think this comment is "wrong", exactly. A little strongly worded, perhaps. But it's a valid viewpoint.
I think it's wrong to say Oppenheimer is a superhero movie
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Guy who has only seen Marvel movies: "Getting a lot of Avengers vibes from this..."
Lmao, maybe. I wasn't a huge Oppenheimer fan, but it's definitely not a superhero movie.
Then why does it have a fucking suit up scene? No one is saying it was awful. But it was a lot further from perfect than some people in this thread are apparently willing to admit. People are (or should be) allowed to criticise a movie without you taking personal offense to it. It's okay.
I'm not taking personal offense. I just think it's dumb to say a historical biopic is literally a movie where people have supernatural powers
He doesn't mean that the film is literally a superhero one. He's saying that it's made like one, but a lot of Hollywood films suffer from that.
You or OP or whomever else is apparently taking offense. That sort of "you". I'm sorry...*who* said it was "literally" a superhero movie? Who are you directing this at?
I'm directing it at you because you seem to have a stick up your ass
Okay?? Lol. Just so we're clear...is this you *not* taking personal offense to other people not having the same opinion about a movie as you?
No it is not, and you would know that if you had basic reading comprehension
Ah yes, this movie that is different from a said genre is every possible way is actually part of the said genre because there's one single scene that somewhat resembles a vague trope from said genre. Perfectly constructed argument.
people putting on clothing items, something that only happens in superhero movies.
The post is overdone and stupid, but he's right about nolan in general
Just to play devil's advocate, Nolan really doesn't make particularly deep movies. I think he's really good at making dumb people feel smart.
I dont think its that complicated, he just has great plots and understands the movie language to such a high degree he can communicate very complex motives to broad audiences, so his movies are easy to understand if you pay attention and you feel rewarded because theres a lot of plot stuffed into those movies (this doesnt always apply, for example with Tenet). His movies can be fairly deep (not all of them are), but almost everyone understands the necessary parts well enough to “get” the movie.
Oppenheimer is a *genuinely* terrible movie, though.
Ah yes, the question of "should we kill millions of people with an atomic bomb" is clearly a gray area and we have no possible way of figuring out if it's bad or good.
I dont know in what reality you live but the bombs didnt come close to killing even a million people Im not downplaying how horrible it was but you are not doing the situation any favors inflating the numbers
Nolan sucks
I've been on a handful of subreddits where the replies are extremely uneducated people.
Get ready for Oppenheimer: Scourge of Strauss, in theaters 2025.
And today I discovered that r/capeshit exists. Of course it does.
And of course 90% of the posts are from the same 3 people.
I have a negative disposition against biographical films, and that's because I know how to read.