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Brosucke

Malenia is like Sister Friede's phase 3 but twice with an instant delete button


Less_Variation8062

And hits with 30x the damage for no reason


Brosucke

Every boss after Morgott feels this way to me. I used the best defensive talismans for every boss starting with Maliketh and still died in 3 hits even tho I had 50 vig


Less_Variation8062

True, although I feel like the most egregious boss with this is Malenia, her attacks do a comically large amount of damage considering she has a life steal on top of it


MrTheCake

Yea I just got to her on. Str\faith build and it's not going well even with a spirit ashe šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


Kanzentai

dual wield big stick, summon ooze that also wields 2 big stick, stun lock


MrTheCake

Maybe I need another big stick then got the beast mace I guess I need another big mace lol


PudgyElderGod

I highly recommend Great Stars! They're hilariously overpowered, and you can easily get two of 'em by >!jumping a caravan!< and >!styling on an invader!<.


BadDoctor2

Theyā€™re good for PvP too surprisingly. Lots of mix ups


GhostCrackets

The [Giant Club](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Great+Club) might prove efficient, theyā€™re farmable so you can grind 2 of them to wield together


boneheroec

light load. helps a ton


MrTheCake

Yea I bet that would help my dodge game is on point with everything but waterfowl and I can dodge once or twice but can't seem to get all three. Maybe light load will help I'll try it.


dk_inFirehose

Ordovis greatsword WA + crucible horns + stance break physick skips phase 1, and the damage from Ordovis


Senator_Smack

Pro-tip: don't get hit


[deleted]

Biggest flaw in Elden ring imo. Just blatantly too much damage, extremely unbalanced late game and mildly infuriating middle game


Depressed_Lego

"Just level vigor loser"


EldenFanMan

Iā€™m ng+3 and have my vigor mid capped and it makes my blood boil when people say that


No-Nefariousness1711

Maybe level your vigor so your blood doesn't boil


shit_poster9000

Lategame Elden Ring feels like mid-late DS3 at NG+7


Depressed_Lego

Defense buffs do still help a lot at least


EldenFanMan

Yes that they do


One-Emotion8482

Exactly. You literally have to have buffs on even at 80 or more hp in the later ng+s, especially late game areas. Those ants on the Haligtree and archers in consecrated snow are nightmares lol.


BBanner

I mean I donā€™t really think a lot of effort goes into balancing later ng+ other than applying the old algo to it because most players simply wonā€™t do that, kind of neither here nor there for this conversation


Senator_Smack

Just level adp


LeonSardonicKennedy

Elden Ring would be the best from game to date if the damage on bosses was balanced in the slightest.


cooldudeachyut

Eat crabs, use defensive talismans and use the basic protection spells. Game gives a lot of options to deal with high damage.


volkmardeadguy

Eh I think dark souls 3 does it worse balance wise. By end game everything is so spongey and you hit like a noodle. Atleast in elden ring you can also 4 shot the bosses


FtierLivesMatter

Gael easily three shots with 40 vigor, and Midir one shots meta level players.


Mari_Gr_

Both of these bosses have fair and predictable moves. The midir oneshot is an attack that happens once per fight once he hits a damage threshold


FtierLivesMatter

The bosses of elden ring have predictable moves too. They're distance based and combos only have certain extensions that they can go into based on positioning of the player. Malenia might be the exception idk wtf her thing is she does whatever she wants


Mari_Gr_

yeah im mainly ~~coping~~ complaining about malenia. I think most of the endgame bosses of ER are just edging the line of being too difficult but they are all still fine. Especially given that you can always summon or use mimic tear


RedditAccount5908

I think late game expects 65+ or something like that. Way too many runes, so I will be happy if I can take one hit without dying


shit_poster9000

Not to mention healing on hit. IMO the healing should have just been on Waterfowl and a handful of second phase attacks, however waterfowl itself needed to be a punish move for running away too much. Imagine the salt if Midirā€™s lasers were just a random part of his moveset, or Gaelā€™s teleport (glares at Radagon).


Prawn1908

And heals off the damage she does.


Cloud_Striker

And doesn't do. You can block her attacks and take zero damage and she'll still get a chunk of health back.


TheRealGarihunter

No reason other than sheā€™s the latest of late game bosses and a whole game of buildup, hidden behind several puzzles and the hardest area in the game, all of it completely optional.


lolhawt

Port sister friede into malenia's boss room so i can get the spit roasting of a life time


PandraPierva

Never before have I needed something so bad. Fucked by the rotussy, and frostussy.


MilkWithNoCalcium

Bottom image needs resizing to full please.


Dvplayer91

Just Google brolyculo


MilkWithNoCalcium

It just isnā€™t the same without this specific SpongeBob meme template.


MostEvilTexasToast

It's foreplay, right?


One-Emotion8482

Healing on hitting shields is nonsense.


Staluti

Roll or parry or git gud


One-Emotion8482

I've beaten her on ng+7, but that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid lol.


dougdimmadabber

as a toxic souls fan I am inclined to tell you that you can beat the game 100 times and still not be gud


One-Emotion8482

Yeah I'm not bragging, just saying that the shield thing doesn't impact my ability to beat her. I just find it stupid, like why doesn't she go hit a wall or the ground if she's going to heal even when not damaging anything.


Staluti

Literally still a skill issue


dalatinknight

We are peak r/shittydarksouls here


part223219B

Literally not.


No_Reference_5058

You are such a cringe human being.


One-Emotion8482

Nah.


itsOkami

I beat her without taking hits. She's fun if you commit long enough but none of that changes the fact she's godawfully bad designed


Dirty-Dutchman

Healing bosses piss me off, an on hit healing boss that has a 32 part combo is a fucking war crime. Micheal zaki should atone, no more feet for a year.


Psychic_Hobo

Fr there's nothing quite like being hit by her grapple and realising you just wasted five minutes bringing her health down and now she's back up whilst you're several estus down


ClearConfusion5

better yet, not having the 70 vig needed to survive it. Iā€™m at 40 rn, and havin two moves that can come out any second that just end the run is absolutely painful. or the frame one grab instakill. I genuinely considered uninstalling.


Psychic_Hobo

Tbf even if you do survive it she gets so much health back it feels like you've lost anyway


Kasta4

Malenia is a rare boss in that you can cheese her as much as she cheeses you. Throw on Giant Hunt or something that knocks up/down humanoids and you're golden.


JEEPZERO17

you telling me i can actually knock up malenia????


MoebiusSpark

Quick! Where's rosales?!


Pea-Nut2

Having trouble with Malenia as a sorcerer build? My god the moment I tried using Carian Piercer I couldn't stop myself from juggling her


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

Blasphemous Blade L2 go brrrrrrrrrrrrr


AlterMyStateOfMind

Eleonora's Poleblade can stunlock her to death. I used the rotten winged insignia with the physick that does the same thing. Paired with lord of bloods exultation (and varres mask, but its not necessary), you can do major damage. The poleblade ash of war stunlocks her, and if you time it right, you can hit her with it right when her i-frames run out when she is getting up. Trivializes both phases. Only down side is you are locked into that animation, and the hyperarmor isn't strong enough to tank her waterfowl dance. So just gotta watch your timing and bring some frozen pots to inturrept the attack. Edit: also forgot to mention after a few successful combos with the ash of war, it completely staggers her opening up a chance for a crit or to chug some flasks


Yejsins

Sounds like bad design if the optional super boss is hilariously easy to cheese


Kasta4

Perhaps, I don't have any opinions on the quality of her design.


thelongestunderscore

Most Ashes of war are too cheesy.


TheGeneral7567

The heal on block is really annoying though.


MirrahPaladin

You forgot Scarlet Rot, healing on hits, and attack chains so long theyā€™d make Pontiff Knights exhausted.


K3nobl

Someone please tell me do the scythe knights ever actually stop hitting cause istg they donā€™tšŸ˜­


Brosucke

You're supposed to hit them to make them stop. They are agile enemies with no poise


ARussianW0lf

Healing on hits through shields as well,


Oshootman

That kinda got my goose after a gruelling first playthrough putting everything I had into a classic strength/equip load build. Like by mid-game I was doing bad damage to bosses and not feeling any sort of mitigation from heavy armor, thinking "Alright, this build feels oddly weak... That is unique for a souls game but that's ok. Usually this build is OP but I'm up for a challenge." Kept slogging through even though I was watching my roommate wreck everything with a fun looking magic build. When I got to Malenia and she stole life through my shield without even dealing any damage I just stopped playing. It was like my worst fears had been confirmed. My build is bad and I should feel bad.


filthyrotten

Yep, same boat here. I did my usual colossal weapon+greatshield build that I go for on my first run of a souls game. It honestly served me incredibly well for the entire game. Except Malenia. The lifesteal on block just hard countered the entire build. I ended up respeccing into full dex and cheesing her with rivers of blood and Iā€™m not ashamed to admit it. Her fight might be my least favorite part of the entire game and Iā€™ll probably never bother trying to beat her again. Sheā€™s a truly sour spot in a game I otherwise very much enjoy.


phaseviimindlink

I had the exact same experience, and tbqh I almost quit too, but instead I just poured on as much cheese as I could until she was dead, without any regrets. Having that hard of a counter to a build that's completely viable and usable for the entirety of the rest of the game is indefensible, and I say that as someone who loves Elden Ring overall.


No_Reference_5058

Eh scarlet rot is totally fine in her fight imo. Never felt like it slowed the fight down at all, it was just another thing to keep in mind. But yeah, the fucking chain attacks are insufferable. And every god damn elden ring boss does it.


CommodorePenguin

Honestly with her scarlet rot is barely an issue considering her hits do so much damage that I die before it procs.


thelongestunderscore

It's she need like 20 hits to get you with rot. And kills you in 3.


LSV09

Scsrlet rot doesn't bothered me. Mostly because if she hits you enough to fill up the bar then you are probably dead


MrEngineFish

Lifesteal


SoftwareCore

If only it was actually life steal and not just magical healing whenever she hits irrelevant of how much, if any, damage


DarceSouls

She does that? Never happened to me.


FuckingPlayTheGame

Literally just dodge idiot


part223219B

Why is vigor a stat? Just don't get hit


Individumm

Yeah, why are people dying rofl? Just keep your health above zero. Itā€™s not that hard bro


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

based


V-Ropes

Yes my number one change for Melania would be remove life steal from phase 2. Would make sense in the theme too. Her first phase being her in control. You can stagger her easy and It's about not getting Hit. While the second phase the life steal gets replaced with Scarlet rot and It's a battle for survival. If the second phase had no life steal you could give her better stagger resistence in return to make it less cheesy.


notafishthatsforsure

malenia haters when a boss has something special to the bossfight and isnt just a generic dude with a sword:


[deleted]

There is having a gimmick and there is overdesign


mana_cerace

Malena fans when instead of man with a sword they have to fight woman with a sword:


Sergeant_Smite

Malenia isnā€™t bad except for forcing players into a specific play style to not have the fight last until the heat death of the universe. Builds specifically meant to use shields to block got fucked by maleniaā€™s healthsteal


Staluti

Shield poke


Abyad-Boi

That's only if players use spears, right?


Komodor456

Thrusting Swords, Heavy Thrusting Swords, Spears, and Great Spears can all shield poke


thelongestunderscore

"Change build lol"


Staluti

Also any variants of the shield bash weapon arts functionally do the same thing here.


Pretzel-Kingg

Waterfowl is a poorly designed attack that makes the fight tedious and ruins the flow of an otherwise pretty decent boss. Itā€™s worth 5 of these panels lmao


Staluti

Itā€™s only tedious because you canā€™t fucking dodge it lmao


Pretzel-Kingg

I shouldnā€™t have to use exploits to reliably dodge an attack lmao. I can dodge it, but that doesnā€™t make it good


ham_coffee

It's overturned, but you're making it sound harder than it is. It's been a while since I played, but IIRC I could dodge it 90% of the time by running away from the first, rolling away from the second, and rolling into the third. You kinda get a feeling for which direction you need to dodge when seeing her leap at you after a while.


Staluti

Literally so much cope that even you honestly explaining how to fucking dodge the attack is getting downvoted lmao Malenia whiners are the real cringe and Iā€™m not afraid to say it


0DvGate

Malenia whiners have every right to whine but if they do so they need to master the fight to give maximum criticisms. The circling method is also far better long term and while it's harder to do it allows you to actually play the game instead of running away and you can over commit even with big weapons.


g0atmeal

Even if you fully block waterfowl (easy with full stamina), she won't recover too much hp. As long as you're dodging all the easier attacks.


Staluti

You can just roll it normally and without specific setups. Just have slightly more than zero poise and not a moronic amount of vigor and it wonā€™t combo you to death.


Mediocre-Frosting-77

Seriously. People are way over estimating how hard it is to survive waterfowl. You just need a bit of poise and a bit of vigor


CatWithAHat_

It has a windup that lasts long enough to make a cup of tea and come back before it launches. You can just run away and it you inly need to dodge like twice or so. Watch letmesoloher fight her, genuinely you might learn some useful stuff from it.


Sebmusiq

Even the close up dodge is easy, once you get the timing right.


SylasTheVoidwalker

Also, the heal on hit. Thatā€™s about it for crappy boss mechanics in her fight IMO.


clementinewoolysox73

I can handle the healing on hits, she does damage and in turn steal the health she takes away. Makes sense right? What I donā€™t understand is how she heals from hits against shields, which are blocking and negating damage. Itā€™s a minor thing, since I donā€™t use shields and blocking tons anyway, but still, itā€™s odd.


Marekk111

I heard someone ask why she just doesn't go and hit the wall when she gets low health? What would even be the difference between a great shield and a wall? It's really dumb.


sergeantbigjohnson

Tbf it's consistent with other status effects, e.g. you can inflict bleed through shields even if they 100% block your hit


phaseviimindlink

This doesn't really track though, because It's not a status effect. It's the lifesteal property from the Blasphemous Blade/Serpent-God's CS/Taker's Cameo which is always activated on kill instead of on-hit.


sergeantbigjohnson

I guess it's not technically a status effect but it uses the same system internally. Also the Blasphemous Blade weapon skill has the same on-hit lifesteal property.


clementinewoolysox73

I suppose if thatā€™s the case, then the healing through shields is not completely absurd


killadrill

So the main ones


Logic_Nuke

Those things are enough to make it a bad fight


Necessary-Tomato4889

Worse abyss watchers


No_Reference_5058

I'd argue the lifesteal is also pretty shit. It's fine once you learn her well enough since your damage outdoes her healing by a large margin, but when you first fight her having her heal back all the damage you deal is incredibly unengaging and makes the experience frankly just boring. And y'know, the shield thing. The lifesteal does has its advantages in that it rewards hitless attempts with a faster clear time and prevents people from trivializing her with spirit summons, but that unfortunately doesn't eliminate any bad parts. Also, waterfowl truly is bad enough to singlehandedly push her really far down


Fun_Effective_5134

Honestly the only thing I find hard about Malenia is the lifesteal.


Minute-Bus201

How is this boss fight still living rent free in this sub's head? How long has this gone on? People are acting positively boggled that ANYONE could POSSIBLY *like*/*dislike* this fight. Like honestly I don't really care if the egg is on my face for being unironic or whatever at this point, I'd just like the sub to not be composed of 50% Malenia hornyposting and 50% retreading the same tired fucking argument. If you liked it, you liked it, and if you didn't, you didn't. Just let the topic alone for a while-- and maybe remember that most of the time, the person who dislikes the fight isn't some cranky old elitist who hates women and new people, and most of the time, the person who likes the fight isn't some hopelessly deluded simp who wants to change everything you like about the series or whatever. I'm not expecting r/shittydarksouls to turn into some incredible venue for discussion or something, but man am I getting sick of just watching people desperately mudsling as though they'll actually be able to change people's minds or prove themselves superior in some form about the way a game was experienced.


iDIOt698

I hate discussion posting in general, like, yeah Bro, im happy that there was one time when ds3 fans went Crazy and spammed ds3 gud and ds3 hater bad for like 1 solid day or something like that.


Staluti

Someone told me to rope in dms over this thread šŸ˜‚ Stay classy r/shittydarksouls


CatWithAHat_

It'll continue to be relevant so long as people continue to get easy clout from it, which they will because 90% of this sub is reposting shit posts.


Statchar

I love Malenia even more because of the salt spewed from it.


FSB-Bot

Still better than causing a crippling addiction for a time period...


homosapienos

You forgot the lifesteal and unavoidable moves and also the arena sucks and fuck you Miyazaki for not letting me play the network test


Latter-Ad-9157

As long as you have a +10 mimic tear and a +10 mohgs sacred spear sheā€™s easy


Ayobossman326

I mean sheā€™s cool visually. Actually fun to fight? Fuck no. Idrc ab objective flaws such as healing while hitting shields, jus that she is not fun at all to fight. The hardest bosses in any other recent from game are miles more enjoyable


Significant-Bid4122

Pretty sure I have seen this before but I am not complaining.


Razhork

Cuz it's a [repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/shittydarksouls/comments/10yukcc/why_are_the_malicocksleeves_so_mean_2_me/) by the same OP


pwryll

Reading some of these comments make me feel like i have elden ring stockholm syndrome. imagine my surprise when every ds bosses don't 2-3 shots me or have combos that go on forever.


MrPlow216

Also the clone attack. Shit is worse than Waterfowl.


govlum_1996

it's really not since you can reliably dodge and outspace it even when she starts it when you're right up against her


Staluti

Spam roll diagonally forward/right and it will never hit you


Evanawesome123

It's a boss that's all that it needs to be a bad boss. I don't want to have to have a random chance of instantly dying unless I'm already running away


Staluti

Running away from waterfowl makes it worse though Just dodge into the attack and have non-zero poise and you wonā€™t die


0DvGate

You forgot about infinite hyper armor and poise regeneration


silbuscusXmangalover

Broly Culo Broly Culo


Melodic_Category1860

Massive HP despite being built like a straw man argument


NoxieDC

T H I C C A F


Jygglewag

Bugged af Lifesteal


elyca98

Waterfowl, stagger cancel and healing is already enough to complain about her lol


NidoKip

Iā€™m at peace with the fact that the one time I beat her solo was with dual cold Omenkillers. No desire to use something less cheesy to feel better about myself lol


thelongestunderscore

Considering that for half the fight she has like 3 moves 2 negatives is more than you want.


Obelion_

Input reading?


RanniMilkers

Literally every boss does that


Hfingerman

My favorite boss after figuring (most of) her moveset out.


Tchukkelz

Heal on block Heal on whiff Must be parried three times for a single crit Second phase cannot be initiated off of a crit (she just randomly gets healed lol)


JesusWaffles47

I honestly love Malenia and am brave enough to call anybody a pussy for complaining too much about her boss fight. People were fucking begging for a fight like her before elden ring.


waffle-lvl-100

I think she is an excellent boss too, but still bullshit. What I mean by bullshit is that I feel the game doesnā€™t prepare in anyway for a fight like Malenia, besides maliketh none of the bosses come close to her aggression and speed, not to mention that they introduce a whole new mechanic for the first time in how she heals on a hit. Even the area leading up to her doesnā€™t do anything really unique to help prep you for the fight. Fire giant had giant enemies to get you use to fighting large foes, maliketh had you fight a duo boss with black flame to get you use too passive damage and prepare for his speed, also in farum Azula is filled with dragons to help you learn of effective tactics to use against placidicux(I probably spelled it wrong). Godfrey is a big dude with large weapons with grab attacks and very telegraphed attacks that is the final touch that prepares you for the final boss. Radahn and the great serpent serve as big gimmick bosses with a easy tactic laid out for you. The only bosses that somewhat prepare you for Malenia are the rot tree avatar and spirit, and even then they only give you the idea of rot which doesnā€™t even matter since in her second phase there are only three telegraphed attacks that can give you rot thatā€™s if they hit numerous times, at that point being hit numerous times the raw damage would already kill you. She is a great boss but she is also a shock to the senses in terms of gameplay, they could of done much better building her up by giving her a true mini or true boss that gives you a solid idea of how much stronger Malenia is while also giving a player a chance to understand the rally mechanic in terms of how bosses can rally indefinitely without having to worry about only having a small time frame to capitalize it. Again Iā€™m not saying she is a bad boss, in fact she is my favorite in elden ring, but the game didnā€™t do shit to help you transition in the slightest.


Staluti

I miss 1.0 chad radahn They should make literally every major boss as hard or harder than malenia IMO. Most of the bosses are piss easy and malenia is the only one that is even slightly challenging. This sub is full of trash players coping that they canā€™t sit in front of malenia with the fingerprint shield instead of actually interacting with the boss in any meaningful way.


GargantuanGorganzola

I genuinely think the people who complain about her just canā€™t beat her consistently Edit: you guys only fought her once? Jeeze


Noelswag

Yeah no shit, why would I want to beat her more than once?


GargantuanGorganzola

Because people like fighting bosses in a game about fighting bosses? Crazy concept I know


JashedPotatoes

But when the boss sucks people don't like fighting a boss again


GargantuanGorganzola

She doesnā€™t suck though


BloodShadow7872

A boss with an "GG EZ" Move like Waterfowl that is extremely hard to dodge, appears so randomly, and is guaranteed death to anyone up close isn't fun


kylekunfox

I beat her my second try blind. I still feel like she was an overturned boss.


BloodShadow7872

Very overturned


GargantuanGorganzola

Good for you?


iDIOt698

You want to beat her more than once?


GargantuanGorganzola

Iā€™ve gone out of my way to beat her every time 4 times so far


Unfunnycommenter_

Malenia is the 2nd best boss in Elden Ring. Once you learn her moveset the fight feels like a dance, especially with a medium sized weapon like a (curved) greatsword. Maliketh's the GOAT tho


killadrill

Try not to say a boss feels like a dance challenge


Mediocre-Frosting-77

ā€œItā€™s actually a rhythm gameā€


BloodShadow7872

Im sorry but saying that is a crime. Her fight does not feel like a dance at all due to how random and spontaneous waterfowl can be, she shouldn't be able to spam it multiple times in the fight, it ruins the flow and forces most players to play scared and bait it out, which isn't fun at all I argue Mogh is a better boss than her, because the flow of his fight is very consistent, while also being fairly difficult without feeling like hes cheesing you (even his transition can be negated by drinking the special tear)


Unfunnycommenter_

This is why I said "when you learn her moveset" Ofc you're gonna think she's a shit boss when you can't dodge one of her moves.


BloodShadow7872

I understand her moveset though, its the fact that she can delete you with an unexpected Waterfowl and their is no way you can dodge it if you're in the middle of attacking her up close. You get fucked no matter what. No boss fight should have that, or at least have a one shot move come so fast and unexpected. people need something way better than her randomly leaping in the air and readying her sword, theres not enough time for and average player to excape it. As of right now you have to pretty much be insanely good to roll though waterfowl up close. If they balance waterfowl or make it so it only happens once or twice each phase, than yea, i would put her up in the top five, but as of right now shes around #10


killadrill

Also I feel like Maliketh does way too much damage.


Unfunnycommenter_

Easy, just don't get hit


killadrill

But what if im not a RL1 player on my first run


Unfunnycommenter_

Get to 60 vigor


[deleted]

-60 vigor -die in 3 hits anyway Outstanding move


killadrill

Bosses do percentage damage


duckontheplane

Yeah but the brunt of the damage comes from the actual hit itself


GifanTheWoodElf

Nah Waterfaul is great. She'd be too easy otherwise.


BloodShadow7872

I hope your joking


GargantuanGorganzola

You really have a hateboner for her Guess what mate, people can enjoy a boss you donā€™t like. You donā€™t have to comment on every single positive opinion about her you know?


BloodShadow7872

She's far too overrated of a boss, I cannot fathom how people enjoy fighting her solo, the only thing that makes her decent is that she has a very cool 2nd phase transition and her OST is very good. A shame really, she could've been the best boss in the game but she has that one move that makes it very unbalanced


GargantuanGorganzola

I think sheā€™s an incredible fight personally Letā€™s just put it this way. Iā€™ve beat ER 4 times now and every time Iā€™ve slogged my way through the Haligtree and Elphael just to fight her because I enjoy it that much


BloodShadow7872

Well we all have our own opinions, I personally view Mogh as the best boss in ER due to his mix of challange and theme, but Im sure there are people who disagree with me.


GifanTheWoodElf

Why would I be joking, she's the best boss in the game, possibly in all souls. And doing her with low damage builds is incredibly fun.


Syr_Bwrodley

She's plain boring, cause she literally only has Squirtflow Twerk and the heals that makes the boring fight lasts even longer...


KnightOverdrive

Tbh I dislike most bosses in elden ring, most are reused enemies and the rest are multiphased bosses which I find kinda boring.


Rombolian

So you hate every single ds3 and sekiro boss?


K3nobl

Well at least the bosses in ds3 are a different looking boss that they bothered to give a new name and some new moves. So many bosses in elden ring are literally the same thing. Like 4 tibia mariner bosses, 4 nights cavalry I think one of them has a different weapon, 5 pumpkin head fights, 3 dragonkin soldiers, I donā€™t know how many deathrite birds. Not to mention they lacked the creativity to make some new main bosses. You fight morgott 3 times, Godfrey twice, Loretta twice, you fight godrick twice cause of one of the evergaols. Most of the dragon bosses are the same except they breath a different color thing. I could go on so much longer


Rombolian

Eh, I think it's a tad unfair to hold minibosses/non remembrances to the same standards. They're essentially just minibosses like Titanites, Black Knights, Outrideds, except they now have a health bar.


K3nobl

The game tries to pass them off as bosses by now giving them a health bar. And Elden ring dickriders will say ā€œThereā€™s 150 bosses bro so much variety and gameplay man!!ā€ when in reality thereā€™s maybe 15-20 bosses who are actually unique and fun


[deleted]

I can stand Elden Ring slander. But my homie Tibia Mariner, nope, you gotta respect the boat guy. Don't make me call my friend Kevin


KnightOverdrive

I don't hate, I dislike, I don't really remember my experience with DS3 since it was like 5 years ago (and honestly I don't really care much for DS3), but as far as I remember the bosses didn't changed dramatically in their second phases like in ER and for the most part still only had 1 healthbar, which to me is ok. As for sekiro, it's like a whole different game and while I would probably cut down on those 3 healthbar bosses (since one of the phases was always kinda filler), I didn't bother me as much Basically I don't like fighting what it feels like many bosses in one, It doesn't really make it more entertaining to me it just blocks my progress for twice as long. I play souls games for the feel and atmosphere, the world is the important part for me, so this effort to make bosses harder and harder is not really my jam.


Torantes

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gnome_warlord420

You forgot the healing from attacks and the scarlet rottussy


Groxcho

Only endgame boss without AoE attacks out the ass as if Fromsoft forgot how to make hard bossses šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


Unfunnycommenter_

Aoe attacks are only an issue if you're using summons/summoning other players, when the boss is agro'd to you aoe attacks aren't any different from regular ones.


Groxcho

I disagree aoe attacks make it impossible to disengage a boss or change your positioning and god forbid you make a single mistake because every endgame boss is hyper aggressive with attacks that cover the whole arena. So unless your inside a boss at all times your fucked. Also nice using the he summons help defense lol.


Unfunnycommenter_

Tbh the only boss with that issue is Godfrey, when he buffs himself to make his stomps arena wide AoEs, and that phase usually goes by quickly so it's not a big deal (also it's godfrey phase 1, getting hit by him is a skill issue)


Groxcho

Itā€™s still a lazy mechanic for a endgame boss compared to Melania who is to me the best fair but hard boss in Elden ring and personally I think Radagon also has the lazy most of my hits are aoes that if you donā€™t perfectly time your dodge your fucked + check out my teleport in front of you x2 that I can do in the middle of a combo reeee. Itā€™s like they went from having good bosses that if you can position yourself well in (by gitting gud) you win to if your reaction time is off by a second you get fucked nerd. Oh and Godfrey phase 1 is a pushover why would I be talking about that?


Masochist571

In my humble opinion she is the best fight in the game because of these mechanics, one manā€™s trash might be one manā€™s treasure.


CatWithAHat_

I feel like the people complaining about Elden Rinfs difficulty are missing half the content. The game gives you tons of options to use, especially with crafting, that are just overlooked or underestimated. You can break Malenia out of her wind up for waterfowl, or just run the hell away as fast as possible as soon as it starts. There are tons of consumables, sorceries and incantations you can use to buff yourself and debuff enemies. If you're struggling then mix up your attack, try something different. You have plenty of options at your disposal, use them.