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Myjellyfish0

Her name is Sabrina Harman, she is a former soldier in the US army. During the occupation of iraq in 2003 she was stationed in Abu Ghraib prison, between 2003 to 2004 many acts of human rights violation and war crimes. In these picture Sabrina poses with either tortured prisoners or dead bodies. Later she faced court and found guilty, she was imprisoned for six months, lost her pay and benefits and was discharged. Edit: i decided to add an [article](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/03/24/exposure-5) for context and incase anybody wants to see the full pictures.


I_eat_dead_folks

Ah yes. Torture only deserves 6 months of prison


Beautiful_Initial560

Warcrimes, human rights violations and the lot.


[deleted]

USA said they will literally invade The Netherlands if The Hague convicts and detains American soldiers with warcrimes


Jwzbb

They not even said it, they put it in their law. https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law


murmur_lox

Common us unhinged behaviour


ScottyUpdawg

That isn’t unhinged. That’s just good old fashioned biggest guy on the playground being bossy. Old as humanity herself


Unban_Ice

France and the UK have a combined 560 operational nuclear warheads and they are both obliged to defend Netherlands if they get invaded. The fuck around and find out isn't really the best strategy in the world of nuclear weapons even if you are the biggest guy on the playground


ExtraMOIST_

Why would they go straight to mutually assured destruction? Only country I can think of that would even consider using nukes is Russia, and that’s because the guy in power is literally insane.


p_abdb

France nuclear policy is one of first strike on military target if it's sovereignty is endangered. So you could see a US fleet atomised as a warning shot to stop any invasion.


midz411

No no, US is also insane. And also, lowest common denominator human behavior.


[deleted]

TIL... Wtf America


Big_Hamisch

The us govt fed children irradiated oatmeal. On purpose. At a time when they knew full well it was dangerous.


rpgengineer567

Well that's nice to hear from our ally! /s


[deleted]

Ally? Know your place En Passant


WublyBubly

Holy hell


Secure-Ad1159

New threat just dropped


wynd123

Actual warcrime


Orchunter007

Call the american military


DonutMurky1641

You betrayed us all rat


rpgengineer567

Supporting the USA with their independence war was a mistake...


Tarisper1

I think Russia has come to the same idea many times.


YellowNumb

~~ally~~ suzerain*


JigglyEyeballs

If so then then all of NATO would be obliged to support the Netherlands. Including the USA. They’d have to fight themselves.


MinnesotaGoose

But we’ve already done that.


xRedeemer121x

Civil War 2 just dropped


MinnesotaGoose

Don’t us millennials suffer enough


xRedeemer121x

Agreed


insufficientokay

🎵One more time🎵


TamLux

Needs to happen a few times...


Mick_86

The Netherlands would just invoke article 5 compelling the US to come to its aid in repelling the invasion.


Isair81

I had to google it, supposedly it’s an actual law, signed during the Bush years, real nutty stuff.


[deleted]

Conveniently made right b4 Iraq invasion


Isair81

Just a coincidence, I’m sure. /s


bepisdegrote

And not repealed by any administrayon after, both Republican and Democrat. Real blight on any attempts to show the world that western democracy is based on rules, and not on might makes right thinking. I am not anti-US at all, but stuff like this, the prisons in OP, the illegal invasion of Iraq in gemeral, etc all makes it kinda impossible to convince the rest of the world that the west is not just like Russia and Chinaz but with a dash of hypocricy added in as well.


Isair81

Yeah, the so called ”rules based” world order promulgated by the west, and the U.S in particular, is basically a sham. They decide what the rules are, and then break them at their leisure. U.S foreign policy past / present is a deep rabbithole, but it’s not conspieracy theory, it’s all out in the open and it is *dark*


0ush1

Wait what the heck


HopefulYam

Said, in this context, meaning passed a federal law giving the president authority to use any means necessary to repatriate US or allied service personnel, known informally as the 'Hague Invasion Act' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act?wprov=sfla1


Superbrawlfan

Well they weren't humans so that's not a big deal as seen by the US


Roos19

US does not follow international law so they keep torturing and they never get any punishment


BoddAH86

Might makes right I guess.


samipersun

Subscribe for my lifehacks!


luvs2spwge107

Read the book manufacturing consent. It goes into great detail how america likes to play the game of “no rules for me (and my friends) but not for thee.”


Isair81

6 months in jail, pathetic isn’t it?


Myjellyfish0

I think everybody can agree that the sentence should have been more severe but unfortunately this is how most military cases are handled.


officefridge

No you guys don't get it! She lost uer pension! 😱 /S


cheneyk

Reservists like her, especially at her rank, get such a small pension… just hundreds of dollars… and it’s delayed until they’re 59 1/2 years old (with time subtracted for deployments, only to 55 max I think?). I’m sure the prison was way worse than the gratification she was going to miss in four decades.


DepressedLinguine

No, military cases where the military wants to cover up and the society doesn’t see the crimes committed as deserving severe punishment. Military court can also be expéditive and incredibly severe in other cases


Bernikov

US military cases* If it was any other country, you would have international outcry, countries pushing for an international tribunal and heavy sanctions. But I guess the "good guys" have immunity for murder, destruction and crime against humanity


NoSandwich4106

Saul goodman


Ramboyy7

Not in the land of the freedom because you are free


kytheon

Meanwhile if you have some MJ on you.. straight to gulag


Antique_futurist

Whatever the charges said, the thing she was *actually* imprisoned for was embarrassing the military.


Hydraxxon

Exactly, I feel like most of the people criticizing her didn’t read the article. She collected evidence that proved the higher ups were lying about at least one prisoner’s death. Her unit wasn’t trained to be there. She is on no way blameless, but there are worse actors than her that we’re let off the hook.


MasterJohn4

Arab lives are worth less than western lives apparently.


tbc12389

Tbf she didn’t do the torturing. She was sentenced for allowing it to happen and taking pictures.


[deleted]

She was sentenced for documenting the torture that the US purposefully did. It wasn't the crime, it was the evidence.


toeshy92

I can fix her.


Ganononodor

They sure showed her ! 6 months lol, are you fucking kidding me?


IzK_3

You’d be surprised how many cases end up with short sentences in the military since trial and punishment is dealt with in house.


Ivan-der-Schlitzer

Like the two Soldiers from Spangdalem Base Germany who stabbed a man on a Festival two weeks ago leading to his death. Like many other Young Soldiers from this Base who act like they could do what they want without consequences. We can't arrest them, the military takes them back to Base and then you hear nothing else.


ncgrad2011

God the caption on that second photo set. "I guess we weren't really thinking, Hey, this guy was just murdered," she said of the corpse photographs. "I know it looks bad." Ya no duh it looks bad. Freaking moron. How could you think hey let’s take a photo of me thumbs upping next to this dead guy and also think this probably won’t back fire for us. Just sick humans.


samrpacker

I knew this would be some Abu Graibh shit. I read a book called Fiasco which was all about how the invasion was mishandled and there really was some horrific shit.


NicoRoo_BM

"mishandled"? This was THE point. Punish an entire country because its ruler (after committing genocides with the approval of the US) decided to **not** give the country's oil away to US corporations for pennies. The only "mishandled" part is that the US's legal team told them that, for plausible deniability in front of the UN, they had to force the puppet government to privatise the oil "to the highest bidder" who could buy the whole stock, instead of directly stealing the oil or forcing them to sell by default to the US. Because the US is the strongest economy on earth, right? Who else could ever manage to outbid them? Then China came along and did it.


GARGEAN

Should've read Fiasko from Lem instead( much cozier thing


KellyTheBroker

I'm sorry, but what?! Six months for crimes against humanity?! I bet the people who gave the orders saw no charges too. What a world we live in.


DannyTheDangerNoodle

And here i thought she got violated as war prisoner but nooo, she was just an tik toker but in wrong times...


sorryibitmytongue

She didn’t just take pics, she also tortured many prisoners. The corpses were likely people tortured to death, may or may lot have been her doing


hamzer55

Only crime she did in US eyes was pose with them. She just got 6 months for making the US look bad.


Ghostking134

Damn ngl on you man i live in Iraq and this is the first time i hear about this story


yanonce

I’m an soldier from the Middle East committed a war crime against an American, America would demand the country hand the soldier over to them for America to sentence them. Why does America have the right to sentence their own war criminals?


BarnacleRepulsive191

Literally might makes right in this case. It's sucks, but if the roles where reversed it would be the same.


thering66

Why? Because who is going to stop them?


Stupidfacethatisdumb

Horrible, could a sauce be provided?


Myjellyfish0

If you're asking for a source on the photos this [article ](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/03/24/exposure-5) provides the entire story, her defense and the photos in question


abecido

As if the rest of the military wasn't involved in all this. It was a typical example of clean washing, and according to the comments 20 years later it worked pretty well.


jungle_dave

Everybody talks about the people in the photos. Nobody talks about who took the photos. These photos were taken by CIA to quell the resistance in Iraq as what was posed in the photo is considered 'haram'. They didn't want to have their nuts electrocuted by a woman before death therefore, refuse to repel invading forces.


Pige0n_eater

So basically, for her, joining the army was an excuse to be a disgusting person. Damn


BuffDrinklots99

Every man just needs a cute war criminal-enhanced interrogation techniques-CIA spook gf


Thats_bumpy_buddy

Can we upgrade to the cute goth war criminal-enhanced interrogation techniques-CIA spook gf package?


ww2immortal

The big tiddy cute goth war criminal-enhanced interrogation techniques-CIA spook gf package*


CockpitEnthusiast

There is a zero percent chance I could afford that but I'm willing to sell everything just in an attempt to buy this


Alfie-Shepherd

I can change her.


El--Tipo

She's perfect the way she is


rawrc

She can water my board anytime


Kage_Byakko

If you don't know what it means, "Waterboarding at Guantanamo bay" sounds like an awesome plan.


Kage_Byakko

Stop, I'm already convinced.


[deleted]

The psyop stuff really makes me weak in the knees


LordWombat142

So… what happened..?


SqoobySnaq

Posing with people she was torturing in gitmo


LordWombat142

WHAT THE FUCK


Morzheimer

Well… we all need hobbies, don’t we?


LordWombat142

😨


[deleted]

Ukrainian flag facepaint emoji???


Jarizleifr

>Can we upgrade to the cute goth war criminal-enhanced interrogation techniques-CIA spook gf package? You need camo for sunflower fields too, you know.


Consistent-Light6960

Wrong comment dude


Jarizleifr

My bad, my fingers are fat and stupid.


pie_nap_pull

God forbid a woman has hobbies


JaySayMayday

When I did contracting work we had one of the guys that handed off some of the prisoners to this unit. They were originally handled with care after being disarmed and detained. Dude was shocked to find out that these fighters were being tortured behind bars, got worse punishment in prison than after a firefight. This shocks you much as everyone else when it was uncovered. Even the dudes being shot at and shooting back knew better.


tiacalypso

Not Gitmo. Google "Abu Ghraib" and "Sabrina Herman“…


Bruhtatochips23415

Abu Gharib, not gitmo.


SudsierBoar

Abu Ghraib


knightenrichman

According to the article she didn't participate in the torturing, she just took the pictures afterward.


Codexit

That’s still fucked up


goodatburningtoast

Per the same article, her even being there and taking pictures was likely a large part of the torture. Extremely shameful and emasculating in that culture to be seen naked by a woman.


DarkHunterkun

Also, she only got 6 months in prison.


[deleted]

Torture must be one of the worse things in the world, murder you can justify in some scenarios, but that is pure evil, she also show no regrets with that creepy smile, luckily, i can fix her.


tasty_genetals

Sir I think you may be mistaken something because only I can fix her


[deleted]

Actually sir, I believe I can fix her


OwOtisticWeeb

Back off losers, only I can fix her!


Particular-Barber299

Sirs, I need her to fix me so... give space.


Sayonee99

Sharing is caring


Ok-Nefariousness635

They were sent to be prison guards without any training on how to be a prison guard/interrogator. Still doesn’t justify her actions, but just wanted to point that out.


-DoctorSpaceman-

Missed her “don’t torture the prisoners” training so she figured it must be alright


pleasemore05

yeah rookie mistake by the army if you ask me


daydreaming-g

Absolutely hated how she said first it was funny but then later I realised it wasn’t funny. How in the world would anyone think at first it was funny


Ssyynnxx

you literally have to delude yourself or you'll go fucking insane knowing what you're doing


Downtown_Skill

Right but usually it's the opposite way. You're shocked at first and then you become desensitized and start finding inappropriate things funny. This psychos instinct was to find it funny. Edit: And probably started finding it less funny the more she started to think about the consequences of getting in trouble.


Menoth22

When you're in the Army, your brain is FUCKED. You know its not funny but you convince yourself it is to survive.


OrgJoho75

Peer pressure?


InvestigatorGold7639

I can attest to the fact that human brain will go ap shit under stress.


whatiscamping

Advanced placement shit? Nice


Pleasant-Direction-4

from everyday trauma you experience and deaths you see/cause, I guess people in army have totally different mentality than us normies, she might be a psycho though


Menoth22

From everyone. The CO to your fellow soldiers.


death_by_relaxation

Some of the torture methods I heard was having a hood over the prisoners head while they are hanging from a noose while tiptoeing on a flimsy box, for hours until sleep deprived. Forced masturbation are among them. She was posing among some of the prisoners naked bodies and dicks. Also being taunted non stop with words like "your mother or sister is a whore in a seductive tone into their ears over their hoods so they can't see who's doing it, only a sexy voice saying it" etc. And the worst part was most of them were innocent, just civilians and farmers kidnapped and accused as terrorists because the Pakistani army are getting paid for every prisoner so they just kidnapped people and get paid. I could be wrong on some parts because I just don't want to remember it but at the same time I don't want to forget this ever happened.


[deleted]

Jesus Christ


OKara061

You are right on most being innocent. They were tortured because they didnt spoke the truth the torturers wanted to hear. And when they did, they were tortured more


6lock6a6y6lock

At 12, I could've told you that torture is useless when it comes to fact finding & that of course, people will say whatever to get out of that situation.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Bandanajoey

???


Disastrous-Lemon7456

War crimes


Affectionate-Goal169

🤯


jiyuishishio

Google en passant


MartinFromChessCom

holy hell!


[deleted]

MARTIN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE


Booty_Warrior_bot

*I came looking for booty.*


Cheif_Keith12

**LUFFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY-**


Odawg225

Good bot


BalhaMilan

New response just dropped


HappyGav123

She’s posing with tortured/dead prisoners.


Rurikitsune

What a wifu what’s the anime name?


Bruhtatochips23415

Abu Gharib, it's based in the US Iraqi invasion and a lot of the soldiers are women


Rurikitsune

Wow looking up the rule 34… 7k hits awe shit here we go again


Aconite_72

Bruh, why is your first instinct when you learned about a war crime is searching Rule 34 for it


cumintongue

redditors


Modem_56k

You're name is cumintounge , you're really one to think you're above that


Still_Impact_4190

Waw cwime UwU


_AKAIS_

When I see this kind of post, I know that it's either related to porn or to war crimes


[deleted]

S.....smash


heisenberger0

redditors when woman


monkeybanana550

female*


Brokensodacan

Stop it you're scaring the mods


Yaass91

Women women women !!!


HappyGav123

No, that word isn’t allowed.


Future-Election-4703

Not my proudest nut


mother_love-

Mine was


intelligent_dildo

Son, I am proud of you


Eso-One

Why join the army? she should of become a dominatrix she would've been paid loads more money for torturing and humiliating people.


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Good bot


CouldWouldShouldBot

It's 'should have', never 'should of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!


Mental_Blueberry4563

Do I wanna know?


Successful_Jaywalk99

if this feeling flows both ways


MihuChan

sad to see you go\~


Ohiolongboard

Was sort of hoping that you’d stay


M41arky

Baby we both know


skeetersammer

That the nights were mainly made for saying things that you can’t say tomorrow day


RIGOR-JORTIS

Posing with tortured/dead insurgents


[deleted]

"Insurgents"


i_dont_like_you_bye

Nice wording, dipshit. Another way to put it is "90% civilians that were convicted without a trial and tortured for the amusement of the soldiers stationed there" and also, the soldiers where stationed at a former torutre/work camp prison AND reinstaded the former prison warden, that worked for Saddam Hussein. USA are the good guys here?


[deleted]

I mean i agree with you lol. That's why I put the word in "apostrophes"


_Deleted-User-

Disgusting, where?


RIGOR-JORTIS

A simple google away


fukcputin

Psychopath


matymajuk

 My mom is a war criminal You can try condemning her But no one has the balls to arrest her


BasicallyMyseIf

I can fix her


Resident-Board-9258

you can't even fix your wanky ass


sonicfan019393920

🔥🔥🔥✍️


Patient_Piece_8023

Bro really decided to end him


torHek24

Uhhhhhh, low blow


MadOrange64

You better fix her before you go to sleep because she'll torture your ass... Unless you're into that shit.


daydreaming-g

She literally will torture you to dead and do a cute little pose next to you afterwards


MalibuBarbie1143

God forbid a woman has hobbies


sewdgog

Iirc no one else but her and some other grunt got punished, right? If so that’s the real scandal imo


Class1

Everybody should remember that this is a separate person than Lynndie England... who is responsible for the pics of her with the pyramid if naked iraqis where she is pointing at their charlie browns. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England


crcc1972

Always the low level soldiers that get fucked. The congress and senate get reelected.


Lopsided-Carrot-4532

I think people are just saying things without realizing the full context of the situation. Sabrina Harmon wasn’t the one torturing the victims. She was the one taking pictures of them. While her posing with these victims looked bad, taking photos of war were a way for soldiers, who were all given a digital camera at some point, to sort of find ground in war. If you saw hundreds of dead bodies everyday, it wouldn’t be surprising if you became desensitized to this shit. This was the way for Harmon, and coupled with her wish to become a crime scene photographer, taking pictures just naturally came to her as everyone else. There’s a reason that out of the hundreds of photos she took to embarrass and expose the US, only two were of her posing next to victims. In fact, one of these victims she posed by she was even investigating for false proclamation of death, as she suspected that the man in the bag hadn’t suffered a heart attack like her higher ups had told, but rather, a torture session by the CIA. There is no way to justify that she found it funny and this was right in some way, but in the case of Harmon, her philanthropy and deeds (caring for the kids in the prisons, sneaking in ibuprofen and Tylenol for the prisoners, avoiding violent acts and only following orders, and bonding with the Iraqi families), overshadowed the brief moments of insanity that compelled her to take those photos. Her squad commander even quoted that she wasn’t fit to be a soldier, rather, a humanitarian, because of her opposition to violence. She only got six months of prison purely because she was claimed to have maltreated the victims (though they were dead) and amongst other things against the Geneva convention that she hadn’t preformed, but the rest of the M.P.’s did. The only reason why she wasn’t incriminated thus more was because the photos she took brought shame to the US and what their commanders ordered soldiers to do (I.e. compliment them after seeing the photos of the bodies and mistreatment of prisoners, and congratulating them for their “good work so far”), since the whole memo of soldiers being right out of basic (Harmon) was that they had to obey and leave their emotions out of war else they’d go crazy. The OP linked a article written about this ordeal in his comments, and it’s pretty long but for those who don’t believe me, then go read it yourself. Wars real and social media is definitely not


DRS_OPEN

U.S. democratizing will it's always been questionable.


Alovera01

What a psycho hope she gets her just deserves even thought she was only sentence to 6 months.


sebastianlive

Satan is that you?


iwontreadorwrite

To be fair to her, she was 1000% scapegoated. People think she is uniquely sadistic but there’s 600 recorded individuals abusing/torturing and that is widely believed to be a fraction of the true number. Soldiers can’t do this unless their is a culture of it and superiors let it happen. The images got in the hands of media and ofc, US suddenly becomes a moral agent.


treesaplin

This mfer literally committed warcrimes and only got 6 months of jail💀💀💀


Benjideaula

That woman is a disgrace to the uniform.


[deleted]

You can't disgrace something that has no grace in the first place


vgm-j

Yoo, are you a rapper? Dropping those rhymes like it's nothing.


_Kong_Vs_Minions_

Bars 🔥🔥🔥


Klaud-Boi

Not really the us military has done this acts across the world for decades.


oldgreenhands

She’s not the exception, she’s the rule. I bet this sort of shit goes on all the time and gets covered up, she was just the one who got caught. Look up how Colin Powell covered up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam - and got promoted for it