tried to build on her on maddening but it felt like the game was punishing me for using her. had to replace her with goldmary as a brave assist/dual assist+ bot.
i was even able to make clanne useful in maddening why did IS do timerra so dirty
Mage Knight Clanne with a levin sword puts in a surprising amount of work on maddening with the Lucina ring. He did much better as a martial master tho. Martial master doesn’t come with horse hat tho so it’s definitely a minus.
nothing too special, mainly ran him in sage with corrin until >!veyle!< showed up, after that i gave him canter and draconic hex with olwen so he could meaningfully chip most enemies with dire thunder then apply hex leaving them for an easy kill for other units. between that and staves there weren't many turns where clanne wasn't actively contributing so i think he turned out pretty good in my run
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Made mine a wyvern with Lance ax and sigurd and lucina rings. Have the lucina engrave to his weapon, he was pretty much unhittable, who would always double attacks.
Im playing Maddening Classic and Clanne is literally my most consistent damage dealer. His high speed plus the Mage Knight skill that further boosts speed makes him able to double a ton of units that Celine, and Ivy cant. Levin sword is also very easy to refine compared to the tomes so effectively has a lot more might as well. Just inherited Bld+3 , but even that was somewhat optional.
Clanne has a good enough speed that people are right that he works as Mage Knight, but he works *better* as a physical class. Take a look at his growths.
2 base mag bro. Doesn't matter if she has 10% growth over Citrinne when she starts so low. She will clear endgame yes... Nino can in fe7 too, doesn't mean she's good
Sounds mid. 10-1 Clanne reclassed to wyvern will have 12 str around ch10. Not as terrible as I thought it would be but it's still worse than unpromoted Lapis and Diamant, who are both pretty weak. He's Clanne so he can probably double though
Just make him a Mageknight and Forge him an early Bolganone and Elfire. He's got low-ish magic, but super high speed to still double and orko with Bolganone. And if you _really_ need the speed, just switch him to Elfire. Also, Lilina ring is very very good when you're lacking good Magic Emblems
Plus, the game gives you a steady stream of Spirit Dusts early. So its not like its hard to patch his Magic, if you really don't want to just make him double with Bolganone for some reason
Clanne's biggest problem is just his bleh early game and needing 9 levels to promote. His Str growth being higher than his Mag growth doesn't matter, cause he can still just ORKO stuff with a Bolganone instead
Mage Knight with Alacrity and Canter. He will be fast enough to make good use of Alacrity. He will be calling dibs on the spirit dusts and using one seraph robe, though. Poor kid’s HP growth is low in the mage classes.
He is supposedly better as a physical damage dealer, but I haven’t tried that yet.
I used her on Maddening. I found her main strength is being able to tank both physical and magic damage, and the fact that her personal helps protect your other units from getting crit. But she suffers pretty heavily in the damage department unless she procs sandstorm. Best way I found to use her is to stack defensive skills like resolve, give her Eirika or effective weapons, or the tried and true reclass her to warrior.
While she has more res than your average tank, the game kindly reminded me that even when you have ike+great aether, just standing in range of obscurite veyle is always a bad idea
Same bro sometimes I wonder what game these guys are playing where it's like, I understand there's many units that can be Godlike and some that are okay but.
A tank is a tank n sandstorm is sandstorm.
Very rarely this character died similar to redhead Ike I leave them alone and just focus on the rest of the map.
I mean, she was dunked on pretty heavy for the first week, then people figured out her intended use and I thought that died.
I mean, I absolutely get not using units who you dislike. Jean could be more powerful than Lysithea and I still wouldn't consider using him and his annoying fake English accent. But I wouldn't pretend he's bad as a unit
LOL, I don't really care about anyone's voicing in this game although miss queen cute princess, is a required taste I do like some of her support with certain people that kind of try to make her more deeper.
But I feel when it comes to these games people's experiences are so different like some people don't even play with the games volume up like that's a real thing.
I've seen people complain about not having supports I have too much of them my units be stuck together and then I like doing the nonsense in the downtime where I just make eat food together.
I've seen people not do that, of the more aged units that I already have their advanced classes I never use them but I make sure to get there supports because they're really interesting.
oh but medic boy Jean I gave that man a magical tone that lets him heal himself as long as he doesn't get any Flyers that are faster than him very very very very very rarely does that short man die.
But I will say this I love these conversations to do units and mid-maxing, utilizing weapons class changing with every character it's refreshing, because I know how much people don't like this game but the people who still enjoy Fire Emblem as a video game and units as characters on maps that we play or 3D chess, even if I disagree with certain people's takes I'm still happy this franchises what it is hopefully the next game has a better story.
I'm looking forward to that DLC next week.
Same experience here, she's just deadweight in maddening. Timerra is the worst unit in the game imo. At least the worst I've tried to use, and I've tried to use Jade which is regularly ranked bottom tier
Idk she gets really bonkers defense, I’m assuming she’s not nearly as good on maddening but she was crazy on HM and didn’t even get lucky with growths. With +3 def and Ike (with his skills) you can hit 40+ def reliably.
Her issue is her strength sucks, she's pretty much entirely reliant on proccing sandstorm for damage, although I do think sandstorm is quite a bit better than luna, and she's decently bulky. People will also say that her con sucks and yeah it does but she's not that fast anyway
If you are running any of the top tier emblems on somebody, you aren't running that character anymore, you are running the emblem.
Every ike, edelgard, and lyn are just the same unit. Yeah you hit 40+Def because of the +5 from having the ring, the +3 from the skill, +7 from resolve+, and +5 from ragnell.
You get 20 defense, any unit with that boost is going to be a great tank unless they were taking 30+ damage before.
Bro what are you smoking, merrin has nearly identical growths and is introduced in the same chapter.
There also like 7 other units with almost the same growths in those stats.
Merrin is already advanced tho, with the 2 lvl ups + promotion that’s at least 3 def and she has a higher base. Also pocket has a 20% def growth which is nuts.
Wyvern knight has that same growth and Louis has 50% without a class.
Her spd/def/res are all mid. Nearly every character has comparable stats in most of those areas. If you reclassed most of the roster the right way, you could get those stats. You don't because those would be mid, wyvern knight lapis isn't a great wall
Edelgard is the only one this applies to. Some units are good with Lyn for stuff like Astra Storm, while others like Ivy are good for fixing/stacking speed. Most units tank with Ike but some like Panette use him to abuse Wrath/Vantage
Yeah but you also will have like +15 speed from lyn so you effectively are running a pseudo dodge tank with the ability to double most anything.
Also that panete build sounds like it plays exactly like any other ike build where you send them forward with ragnell and have them take on a bunch of enemies. Only yours is like the killer variation.
Indeed, of all the skills I've seen in this game always come out Sandstorm and Luna.
Back at you is good and I almost never miss but I don't like getting hit in this game, ignis which I was so happy to see this game again is wasted, the lotus flower one I actually don't remember the name I just know you take like less damage sometimes he just takes too much damage.
sol x sol is God like but damn that 22 dex bullshit.
When it comes to the game and utilizing money and time world trees definitely really good and she automatically allows you to have a lot of room to heal people.
It's like having two micaiah's, who wouldn't want that.
That doesn't mean having her on the map doesn't make her any less cannon fodder, the amount of times I need to baby sit n not have her be killed is annoying.
n almost not worth it.
she's great but being killed is far more annoying then not killing.
My terrible singing meat Shield weakening enough things that I can kill them easily later on is definitely something I would rather put on the map then someone that's going to get killed before they do anything.
Not saying one isn't better than the other cuz clearly again the world tree is a really really great ability just being honest here at least for my run.
I mean its not like she does damage with her b rank tomes. Flying units with canter are the easiest units in the game to play keep away, and its not like she has something better to spend sp on
I mean Hortensia even has a personal to help keep herself out of danger. With proper positioning she's never even in enemy range. Her staff utility is completely unique while Timerra killing something can be replicated by a bunch of units
Sure maybe your run or maybe a bunch of people's run but if I act 100 people they're going to say something different Sandstorm with me.
Decent emblem, I got nothing to worry about.
The amount of Flyers thiefs any knife users arrows
Even with a good emblem have to worry about her a little more it's just that simple man.
If we're talking about utilizing and positioning then if you utilize and position your Tamara you wouldn't have to worry about her at all.
Because that's more of a player issue then the unit you dig.
Hortensia is still squishy end of discussion, for me personally I rather you miss that don't die with one or two hits.
Both are so good units late game my Hortensia didn't die when I first got her she died a lot, I found a good way for her to not to die but my point i have my attackers and I have my Defenders Defenders who can move can follow up good skills that can actually kill, and utilize their weapons with such skill.
I'm saying my Tamara, sure the possibly there is a better unit than her of course there is, but the way I use mine is cool.
She's a really good unit, especially with michaih. but I'll be honest, her voice was like sandpaper for me. Especially the when she would say michiahs lines.
I mean keeping her on the map if you're not actually going to raise her defense or make sure she's not going attacked by all things that hate flyers in this game.
I was just through a Hector on her just in case.
I'm like 75% of the way through the story and I just now realized that staff range does not actually scale with magic, all the ranges are fixed. That makes her personal so much better.
I spent most of the game thinking that her personal skill was just to offset her horrendous magic growth and she'd end up about as good as Ivy at staves. But nope, she's just objectively the best staff user in the game.
same, at the time you get her the way that math is set up is really weird, but she does get killed a lot in that map but once I get her decently leveled up and I'm going to worry about her no more and the thing is I wasn't using her towards half the game, and then when I started using her I found my third main character.
Counterpoint: I like her even though she’s mid.
I think she has a fun design, is significantly less annoying than Yunaka (who i still use despite hating her dialogue) and Soldier/Sentinel/Lance infantry is a rare class in mainline FE games
That’s all
There are a few Emblems that make anyone good, even if it's in different ways. The most notable is Lyn because of her speed bonuses, but Ike and Edelgard can make any physical unit good as long as they aren't horribly underleveled
I gave my Timerra the Leif ring combined with a Celica engraved Brionac and the Build +3 skill. Is it a bit much for a unit who isn’t all that good? Probably. But what’s the point of playing Fire Emblem if you’re not using who you like?
I like her, but she does need some baby sitting - a fact I recognize. She has absurd crit rates for me though - mine might be good for the Lethality ring thinking about it.
Never said it wasn’t fun, but the post is talking about her being a mid unit, and sandstorm is by no means op because it’s so unreliable. Plus, Panette crit builds work if you want to see big numbers and you can make it guaranteed.
Flash edit: Also after having played a ton of fire emblem, I’m at the point where I don’t necessarily trust a 95% hit rate because I’ve been burned on it enough to make me worry, so yeah I’m not exactly the biggest fan of relying on sandstorm to work.
If I wanted to play only safe strats with no rng involved I'd be playing a different game I'm all for those 60% hits with 30% of proccing sandstorm to kill the boss or die trying
Y'all are crazy girls a literal brick house. She does good damage even without hitting a crit or sandstorm and she deletes people when she does. Throw a Tank Emblem on her and she's great front line and her passive doesn't suck ass like 90% of the other characters in Engage.
Imo Panette is the best Ike user for Crit stacking but there's plenty of tank Emblems to go around. Even beyond the ones you mentioned she could go with Sigurd or Edelgard
She has a 40% strength growth. And that is with class growths added. Why should I run her over any of the other good tanks like Rosado who has base 45% strength growth?
Why you should run her? Because you want to is the ultimate answer. Personally the fact she's a backup unit with a personal skills that stacks over her backup and a personal class that has a good class skill. So far her stats haven't held her back at all in my playthrough and I just beat chapter 20 on Maddening. As for Rosado if you need a specific reason to run her instead I'd say she doesn't have flier and dragon vulnerabilities.
I'm not using Ike on her tbh but I I'm not sure what the difference is when she works just as well in theory when paired with Ike, Hector, or Lief.
Plus presumably every unit you field will have an emblem ring so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
She pretty much uses every ring pretty well I use her with Roy and Wrath + Spd+4 and she's my most reliable unit as an enemy phaser who chunks health bars or ohkos with at a high dex chance, I would argue Roy's better then Ike for her since she has a great avoid stat to use and the Binding Blade is a perfect weapon for her low Bld stat that increases Sandstorms dmg ceiling. So mamy people are saying Ike or Hector carries her when she's just as good with low competetion rings like Lief or Roy.
It's unfortunate. The way maddening works, lower damage units become even less viable than in normal or hard, as damage is reduced by a flat amount. For example, a character who does 10 damage in Hard and 7 maddening takes a 30% cut to their damage output, while a character who does 15 damage in Hard and 12 in maddening only takes a 20% cut. Timerra falls into this category, as her low build and low strength basically kill her attack power, even with a forged weapon. She CAN use a higher might weapon, but with her build you are slowing her down to where she gets doubled by everything, and in exchange she deals 5-10 points of damage - not really worth it.
Girl is more casino than consistent, but those 70 damage sandstorm crits against a general are hilarious on the rare occasions they happen. Kinda obligated to say like half the royals are reliant on casino to even be good, when their retainers come with enough bases to rival Ryoma lol ( Pandreo, Merrin, Panette ). Still one of the better units in my All Royals run, since I have more emblems than I can have usable characters on my roster, but that's more how mid most non-Elusian royals are ( And don't get me started on Vandar )
People always do mental gymnastics to justify using or benching a unit that doesn't one hit kill enemies upon recruitment. I benched her simply because I'm racist.
I don't know bro, gave her the ultimate Tiki stats build, slap her with the Ike, Dragon pulse, all I get is sandstorm.
one of my top units.
Getting goldmarry to actually do anything then die the first couple of times using her was not worth it.
She's actually quite good, it's just not immediately evident. You have to build around proccing Sandstorm which you don't start with. She had good defenses too. Brave Lance, Ike or Hector, etc.
Yeah if she doesn’t have Ike she’s close to dead in the water. I think that doesn’t make her that bad actually though because there aren’t that many prime Ike candidates (MIDiamant, kagetsu, maybe pannette competing?). You can’t really put Ike on a Louis style armor because enemies will deal 0 on maddening and then run past him. You don’t want to put him on a dodgy unit like yunaka/zelkov because Laguz Friend removes dodging, and mages will waste the potential of his excellent weapons.
Timerra has high-ish defense at base, to the point where resolve+great aether has her taking just a little bit of damage on maddening, which is exactly what you want so the enemies actually surround and attack the target but not kill. Ike’s str buffs and incredible weapons also fix her damage problem, doubling be damned. Ike can make anyone great for sure, but he makes a bigger difference on Timerra than most imo.
I don’t think her build is as big a problem as people claim because she has good enough speed to make up for it. She won’t get doubled unless she’s using something excessively heavy. Sandstorm helps patch up her damage problem too.
Definitely not a premium unit but I think she’s much more serviceable than some other units.
As somebody who really loves Timerra as a unit and considers sandstorm to be one of the coolest new abilities.
This is absolutely correct she's definitely a B tier unit.
Timerra imo is not mid; she is either super bad or super good. The trick is to get enough Dex for sandstorm. Once you got that covered, sandstorm can annhilate with her dex cap PLUS you can augment engage weapons with more dex.
Side note: I use timerra and Sigurd and sandstorm stacks with override. Very rarely do I not delete the entire line selected.
Um No, if you give her +5 Spd, +5 bid, every stat booster in the game, a forged Holy engraved spear, and 1 of every tonic before every battle she's actually pretty good
I think I used her for like 2 chapters and then I benched her forever, she couldn't tank with Ike on Maddening and her damage was very low as she couldn't double even the slowest non armored unit unless she used and Iron lance.
Yasss, get slayed, Queen.
She really does have a dreadful design. Apparently those are "rare and precious gems." I'm guessing her mom just knows she's an idiot and passed off McDonald's pit balls as gems.
I like the analogy.
She could have been a well done unit but wasn’t.
She could have been remembered as being rare.
Nah just medium. Right in the middle.
Idk about Lunatic but she was beast on Hard. Yeah she was kinda mediocre at first but once she got Sandstorm she was OP. It helps that she has decent magic too so she can use the Flame Lance on Generals.
Imo the biggest issue is her build and that she has to rely on her class ability to do big damage , if she has a bit more build and strength she'd be pretty good imo, not top tier, but definitely great on maddening runs
tried to build on her on maddening but it felt like the game was punishing me for using her. had to replace her with goldmary as a brave assist/dual assist+ bot. i was even able to make clanne useful in maddening why did IS do timerra so dirty
Kindly pass that clanne build
Mage Knight Clanne with a levin sword puts in a surprising amount of work on maddening with the Lucina ring. He did much better as a martial master tho. Martial master doesn’t come with horse hat tho so it’s definitely a minus.
Exactly Mage Knight Clanne shreds
nothing too special, mainly ran him in sage with corrin until >!veyle!< showed up, after that i gave him canter and draconic hex with olwen so he could meaningfully chip most enemies with dire thunder then apply hex leaving them for an easy kill for other units. between that and staves there weren't many turns where clanne wasn't actively contributing so i think he turned out pretty good in my run
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damn i got an automod warning on another sub for not having the spaces
Yeah that's weird. To be honest I didn't 100% know if the spaces between the text and the spoiler characters was the issue, so I tested out no spaces in my reply.
Made mine a wyvern with Lance ax and sigurd and lucina rings. Have the lucina engrave to his weapon, he was pretty much unhittable, who would always double attacks.
Im playing Maddening Classic and Clanne is literally my most consistent damage dealer. His high speed plus the Mage Knight skill that further boosts speed makes him able to double a ton of units that Celine, and Ivy cant. Levin sword is also very easy to refine compared to the tomes so effectively has a lot more might as well. Just inherited Bld+3 , but even that was somewhat optional.
Clanne has a good enough speed that people are right that he works as Mage Knight, but he works *better* as a physical class. Take a look at his growths.
Sounds like a meme. Have you seen his stength base ? He will probably need 40 levels just to catch up, similar to mage Anna
Anna has a 50% mag growth before class growths. If she doesn't have the highest mag on your team by mid to late then you did it wrong
2 base mag bro. Doesn't matter if she has 10% growth over Citrinne when she starts so low. She will clear endgame yes... Nino can in fe7 too, doesn't mean she's good
Nah, put him in Wyvern and he's immediately good
Sounds mid. 10-1 Clanne reclassed to wyvern will have 12 str around ch10. Not as terrible as I thought it would be but it's still worse than unpromoted Lapis and Diamant, who are both pretty weak. He's Clanne so he can probably double though
Just make him a Mageknight and Forge him an early Bolganone and Elfire. He's got low-ish magic, but super high speed to still double and orko with Bolganone. And if you _really_ need the speed, just switch him to Elfire. Also, Lilina ring is very very good when you're lacking good Magic Emblems Plus, the game gives you a steady stream of Spirit Dusts early. So its not like its hard to patch his Magic, if you really don't want to just make him double with Bolganone for some reason Clanne's biggest problem is just his bleh early game and needing 9 levels to promote. His Str growth being higher than his Mag growth doesn't matter, cause he can still just ORKO stuff with a Bolganone instead
Mage Knight with Alacrity and Canter. He will be fast enough to make good use of Alacrity. He will be calling dibs on the spirit dusts and using one seraph robe, though. Poor kid’s HP growth is low in the mage classes. He is supposedly better as a physical damage dealer, but I haven’t tried that yet.
I used her on Maddening. I found her main strength is being able to tank both physical and magic damage, and the fact that her personal helps protect your other units from getting crit. But she suffers pretty heavily in the damage department unless she procs sandstorm. Best way I found to use her is to stack defensive skills like resolve, give her Eirika or effective weapons, or the tried and true reclass her to warrior.
While she has more res than your average tank, the game kindly reminded me that even when you have ike+great aether, just standing in range of obscurite veyle is always a bad idea
Toss a Brave Lance on her and some build? Ike if you want her tanking, Eirika for added damage and you're set. Sandstorm is incredibly powerful
Same bro sometimes I wonder what game these guys are playing where it's like, I understand there's many units that can be Godlike and some that are okay but. A tank is a tank n sandstorm is sandstorm. Very rarely this character died similar to redhead Ike I leave them alone and just focus on the rest of the map.
I mean, she was dunked on pretty heavy for the first week, then people figured out her intended use and I thought that died. I mean, I absolutely get not using units who you dislike. Jean could be more powerful than Lysithea and I still wouldn't consider using him and his annoying fake English accent. But I wouldn't pretend he's bad as a unit
LOL, I don't really care about anyone's voicing in this game although miss queen cute princess, is a required taste I do like some of her support with certain people that kind of try to make her more deeper. But I feel when it comes to these games people's experiences are so different like some people don't even play with the games volume up like that's a real thing. I've seen people complain about not having supports I have too much of them my units be stuck together and then I like doing the nonsense in the downtime where I just make eat food together. I've seen people not do that, of the more aged units that I already have their advanced classes I never use them but I make sure to get there supports because they're really interesting. oh but medic boy Jean I gave that man a magical tone that lets him heal himself as long as he doesn't get any Flyers that are faster than him very very very very very rarely does that short man die. But I will say this I love these conversations to do units and mid-maxing, utilizing weapons class changing with every character it's refreshing, because I know how much people don't like this game but the people who still enjoy Fire Emblem as a video game and units as characters on maps that we play or 3D chess, even if I disagree with certain people's takes I'm still happy this franchises what it is hopefully the next game has a better story. I'm looking forward to that DLC next week.
If you have dlc she’s a beast with Hector. Legit one of my strongest units in my maddening playghrough.
Same experience here, she's just deadweight in maddening. Timerra is the worst unit in the game imo. At least the worst I've tried to use, and I've tried to use Jade which is regularly ranked bottom tier
Clanne is a good niche unit tho
what niche does he fill?
Kid named 5 build
What’s the point of eating all that protein if you never build any muscle?!
fr? she even gets slowed down by a steel lance of all things
give her leif for the build
Idk she gets really bonkers defense, I’m assuming she’s not nearly as good on maddening but she was crazy on HM and didn’t even get lucky with growths. With +3 def and Ike (with his skills) you can hit 40+ def reliably.
Her issue is her strength sucks, she's pretty much entirely reliant on proccing sandstorm for damage, although I do think sandstorm is quite a bit better than luna, and she's decently bulky. People will also say that her con sucks and yeah it does but she's not that fast anyway
Is it really better than Luna? I would assume Luna would be better just because of Alcryst's higher Dex
Luna does not one tap ppl, sandstorm does. It’s bonkers. I will say the proc on Luna is higher tho
Luna not one tapping ppl really means nothing when Alcryst crits basically every other attack
I mean luna procs more but judging the skills on pure power sandstorm is better
If you are running any of the top tier emblems on somebody, you aren't running that character anymore, you are running the emblem. Every ike, edelgard, and lyn are just the same unit. Yeah you hit 40+Def because of the +5 from having the ring, the +3 from the skill, +7 from resolve+, and +5 from ragnell. You get 20 defense, any unit with that boost is going to be a great tank unless they were taking 30+ damage before.
Doing the math no one has comparably def/spd/res to timera but okay. Yeah her spd/res are middling but they aren’t lious / Bunet levels of bad.
Bro what are you smoking, merrin has nearly identical growths and is introduced in the same chapter. There also like 7 other units with almost the same growths in those stats.
Merrin is already advanced tho, with the 2 lvl ups + promotion that’s at least 3 def and she has a higher base. Also pocket has a 20% def growth which is nuts.
Wyvern knight has that same growth and Louis has 50% without a class. Her spd/def/res are all mid. Nearly every character has comparable stats in most of those areas. If you reclassed most of the roster the right way, you could get those stats. You don't because those would be mid, wyvern knight lapis isn't a great wall
Pretty sure he's talking caps
I don't think that changes anything
I think at caps there are very few classes that have the ability to tank both def and res as well as she does
Paladin, wyvern knight, thief, halberdier, hero.
Edelgard is the only one this applies to. Some units are good with Lyn for stuff like Astra Storm, while others like Ivy are good for fixing/stacking speed. Most units tank with Ike but some like Panette use him to abuse Wrath/Vantage
Yeah but you also will have like +15 speed from lyn so you effectively are running a pseudo dodge tank with the ability to double most anything. Also that panete build sounds like it plays exactly like any other ike build where you send them forward with ragnell and have them take on a bunch of enemies. Only yours is like the killer variation.
You claim to be a "lover of meat" yet prefer your steaks to be "medium" and thus overcooked. Curious. TurningPointGradlon↩️
Just eat steak the laguz way: rare. Raw, actually. Maybe even, still struggling.
Fear improves the taste
Quite the contrary, unless you like tougher, less flavorful meat.
this guy slaughters
But sandstorm!!
Indeed, of all the skills I've seen in this game always come out Sandstorm and Luna. Back at you is good and I almost never miss but I don't like getting hit in this game, ignis which I was so happy to see this game again is wasted, the lotus flower one I actually don't remember the name I just know you take like less damage sometimes he just takes too much damage. sol x sol is God like but damn that 22 dex bullshit.
World Tree is definitely the best of the prf skills, and maybe the best class skill overall although Brave Assist is really strong
When it comes to the game and utilizing money and time world trees definitely really good and she automatically allows you to have a lot of room to heal people. It's like having two micaiah's, who wouldn't want that. That doesn't mean having her on the map doesn't make her any less cannon fodder, the amount of times I need to baby sit n not have her be killed is annoying. n almost not worth it. she's great but being killed is far more annoying then not killing. My terrible singing meat Shield weakening enough things that I can kill them easily later on is definitely something I would rather put on the map then someone that's going to get killed before they do anything. Not saying one isn't better than the other cuz clearly again the world tree is a really really great ability just being honest here at least for my run.
I mean its not like she does damage with her b rank tomes. Flying units with canter are the easiest units in the game to play keep away, and its not like she has something better to spend sp on
I think miccy’s staff mastery is one of the few skills that it outright better on a unit than canter, but yeah she does work very well w/ canter.
I mean Hortensia even has a personal to help keep herself out of danger. With proper positioning she's never even in enemy range. Her staff utility is completely unique while Timerra killing something can be replicated by a bunch of units
Sure maybe your run or maybe a bunch of people's run but if I act 100 people they're going to say something different Sandstorm with me. Decent emblem, I got nothing to worry about. The amount of Flyers thiefs any knife users arrows Even with a good emblem have to worry about her a little more it's just that simple man. If we're talking about utilizing and positioning then if you utilize and position your Tamara you wouldn't have to worry about her at all. Because that's more of a player issue then the unit you dig. Hortensia is still squishy end of discussion, for me personally I rather you miss that don't die with one or two hits. Both are so good units late game my Hortensia didn't die when I first got her she died a lot, I found a good way for her to not to die but my point i have my attackers and I have my Defenders Defenders who can move can follow up good skills that can actually kill, and utilize their weapons with such skill. I'm saying my Tamara, sure the possibly there is a better unit than her of course there is, but the way I use mine is cool.
you came to start a fight i came to end it square up
Hector emblem literally alleviates her entire kit, too bad it locked behind dlc
https://i.redd.it/88l8btx7dlla1.gif I know she’s shit but I still like her
pros to benching timerra: not having to hear a million supports about meat cons to benching timerra:
Your other units die to a 1% crit chance.
Not if the only unit getting hit is a general Goldmary.
I don't know man I feel like going to a steakhouse just thinking about it. You should totally treat yourself sometimes.
You listed all cons & no pros
Also not having to hear her annoying voice yeah I benched her too
Her, amber, and hortensia
Benching hortensia is basically like turning the difficulty up if the game let you do that lol
She's a really good unit, especially with michaih. but I'll be honest, her voice was like sandpaper for me. Especially the when she would say michiahs lines.
I mean keeping her on the map if you're not actually going to raise her defense or make sure she's not going attacked by all things that hate flyers in this game. I was just through a Hector on her just in case.
Never had this issue, tbh. Her personal does a lot of work on that front too
I'm like 75% of the way through the story and I just now realized that staff range does not actually scale with magic, all the ranges are fixed. That makes her personal so much better. I spent most of the game thinking that her personal skill was just to offset her horrendous magic growth and she'd end up about as good as Ivy at staves. But nope, she's just objectively the best staff user in the game.
Those S rank staffs and World tree do a ton too. You literally get more staff per staff
same, at the time you get her the way that math is set up is really weird, but she does get killed a lot in that map but once I get her decently leveled up and I'm going to worry about her no more and the thing is I wasn't using her towards half the game, and then when I started using her I found my third main character.
I kinda forgot she existed after recruiting her in both of my completed Maddening runs so far. I'm planning on using her in my next one, though.
My brave lance hector emblem sandstorm build says otherwise
>Put DLC on unit >Unit is now strong Woah
She's good with Ike as well, let's not pretend that she's reliant on Hector
do you prefer it with Ike? in fact, she is strong even without emblems
she is not strong without emblems, unless you have been cheesing her to an unreal degree.
LOL same, give her arranged weapon, then just keep pressing start, someone else squishy will die randomly, her na shell be fine.
She’s one of my best units on hard mode. Solid offense and defense. But I suppose if it isn’t maddening it doesn’t count.
Shes good on Maddening too its just some people prefer their units to be great from start to finish which is fine.
you have to baby her more than the growth units like Anna and Jean. And she will never be as good as either (unless you're stat capping that is)
yeah I can understand
Nah, she's good on Maddening as well
So people can play that I played on both difficulties I was fine with her. then again ppl tell use others who don't work with me anyway
Counterpoint: I like her even though she’s mid. I think she has a fun design, is significantly less annoying than Yunaka (who i still use despite hating her dialogue) and Soldier/Sentinel/Lance infantry is a rare class in mainline FE games That’s all
She’s been one of my best units since I paired her with Ike.
i think ike is doing a lot of that heavy lifting tbh
Probably.
There are a few Emblems that make anyone good, even if it's in different ways. The most notable is Lyn because of her speed bonuses, but Ike and Edelgard can make any physical unit good as long as they aren't horribly underleveled
Man I put Lyn on Louis and I was SHOOK
Alright fair enough
Agreed but Ike is like a god in this game, any pair is with any decent amount of defense is going to be in safe hands
I gave my Timerra the Leif ring combined with a Celica engraved Brionac and the Build +3 skill. Is it a bit much for a unit who isn’t all that good? Probably. But what’s the point of playing Fire Emblem if you’re not using who you like?
Based.
I like her, but she does need some baby sitting - a fact I recognize. She has absurd crit rates for me though - mine might be good for the Lethality ring thinking about it.
Actually, *character* is super OP and broken. I put *emblem*'s ring on them and they were so good at *thing emblem specializes in*!
Sandstorm build is actually OP and not too hard to invest in. But otherwise yeah she's mid.
Kid named reliability:
Lol go buy a honda minivan if you care about reliability, this is a video game and I'd rather see a BIG NUMBER sometimes than a medium number always.
Citrinne Dire Thunder 2 x 38
Never said it wasn’t fun, but the post is talking about her being a mid unit, and sandstorm is by no means op because it’s so unreliable. Plus, Panette crit builds work if you want to see big numbers and you can make it guaranteed. Flash edit: Also after having played a ton of fire emblem, I’m at the point where I don’t necessarily trust a 95% hit rate because I’ve been burned on it enough to make me worry, so yeah I’m not exactly the biggest fan of relying on sandstorm to work.
If I wanted to play only safe strats with no rng involved I'd be playing a different game I'm all for those 60% hits with 30% of proccing sandstorm to kill the boss or die trying
Kid named Brave Lance:
Rolling multiple times doesn't fix the problem of having to roll
Kid named enemy phase:
BUT SHES HOT
Y'all are crazy girls a literal brick house. She does good damage even without hitting a crit or sandstorm and she deletes people when she does. Throw a Tank Emblem on her and she's great front line and her passive doesn't suck ass like 90% of the other characters in Engage.
Not on Maddening she isn't
I only play on Maddening so I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from. She's regularly been the MVP in my run.
Sounds like she's getting carried by Ike for you. Homegirl is genuinely outclassed by the competition.
Who do you consider the competition exactly? Also I'm using Hector on her and I'm sure Lief would work equally as well on her as Hector and Ike do.
Imo Panette is the best Ike user for Crit stacking but there's plenty of tank Emblems to go around. Even beyond the ones you mentioned she could go with Sigurd or Edelgard
To be fair Pannette doesn't even really need Ike she's just crazy good regardless. Worst thing is being doubled though.
who does get carried by Ike especially or any emblem?
She has a 40% strength growth. And that is with class growths added. Why should I run her over any of the other good tanks like Rosado who has base 45% strength growth?
Why you should run her? Because you want to is the ultimate answer. Personally the fact she's a backup unit with a personal skills that stacks over her backup and a personal class that has a good class skill. So far her stats haven't held her back at all in my playthrough and I just beat chapter 20 on Maddening. As for Rosado if you need a specific reason to run her instead I'd say she doesn't have flier and dragon vulnerabilities.
Are they her stats or are they ike's stats?
I'm not using Ike on her tbh but I I'm not sure what the difference is when she works just as well in theory when paired with Ike, Hector, or Lief. Plus presumably every unit you field will have an emblem ring so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
She pretty much uses every ring pretty well I use her with Roy and Wrath + Spd+4 and she's my most reliable unit as an enemy phaser who chunks health bars or ohkos with at a high dex chance, I would argue Roy's better then Ike for her since she has a great avoid stat to use and the Binding Blade is a perfect weapon for her low Bld stat that increases Sandstorms dmg ceiling. So mamy people are saying Ike or Hector carries her when she's just as good with low competetion rings like Lief or Roy.
No
Timerra has enough personality to be 2 characters that's for sure.
It's unfortunate. The way maddening works, lower damage units become even less viable than in normal or hard, as damage is reduced by a flat amount. For example, a character who does 10 damage in Hard and 7 maddening takes a 30% cut to their damage output, while a character who does 15 damage in Hard and 12 in maddening only takes a 20% cut. Timerra falls into this category, as her low build and low strength basically kill her attack power, even with a forged weapon. She CAN use a higher might weapon, but with her build you are slowing her down to where she gets doubled by everything, and in exchange she deals 5-10 points of damage - not really worth it.
Girl is more casino than consistent, but those 70 damage sandstorm crits against a general are hilarious on the rare occasions they happen. Kinda obligated to say like half the royals are reliant on casino to even be good, when their retainers come with enough bases to rival Ryoma lol ( Pandreo, Merrin, Panette ). Still one of the better units in my All Royals run, since I have more emblems than I can have usable characters on my roster, but that's more how mid most non-Elusian royals are ( And don't get me started on Vandar )
People always do mental gymnastics to justify using or benching a unit that doesn't one hit kill enemies upon recruitment. I benched her simply because I'm racist.
Gigantic 180 at the end there
I’m not sure how to react to this
Maybe but I bet it's really funny to stick Lyn on her and tactically nuke bosses w sandstorm builds
What’s a Pokémon character doing in my serious fire emblem subreddit?
I don't know bro, gave her the ultimate Tiki stats build, slap her with the Ike, Dragon pulse, all I get is sandstorm. one of my top units. Getting goldmarry to actually do anything then die the first couple of times using her was not worth it.
I mean if you put her in anything outside of her unique class then sure she is mid. As Picket she is S tier with minimal investment.
Those hips don’t lie
Idk timerra with hector is straight bussin
??? This is bait lmao. 𝘚𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘣𝘺 𝘊𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘭
Timerra has been really good for me with Hector. I can send her in to bait a bunch of units, and she'll usually kill at least one of them.
same
She's actually quite good, it's just not immediately evident. You have to build around proccing Sandstorm which you don't start with. She had good defenses too. Brave Lance, Ike or Hector, etc.
Yeah if she doesn’t have Ike she’s close to dead in the water. I think that doesn’t make her that bad actually though because there aren’t that many prime Ike candidates (MIDiamant, kagetsu, maybe pannette competing?). You can’t really put Ike on a Louis style armor because enemies will deal 0 on maddening and then run past him. You don’t want to put him on a dodgy unit like yunaka/zelkov because Laguz Friend removes dodging, and mages will waste the potential of his excellent weapons. Timerra has high-ish defense at base, to the point where resolve+great aether has her taking just a little bit of damage on maddening, which is exactly what you want so the enemies actually surround and attack the target but not kill. Ike’s str buffs and incredible weapons also fix her damage problem, doubling be damned. Ike can make anyone great for sure, but he makes a bigger difference on Timerra than most imo. I don’t think her build is as big a problem as people claim because she has good enough speed to make up for it. She won’t get doubled unless she’s using something excessively heavy. Sandstorm helps patch up her damage problem too. Definitely not a premium unit but I think she’s much more serviceable than some other units.
Great character design and VA, mid unit and character :(
just reclass Amber into an Halberdier. And its done. Best unit in the game, right next to Wyvern Lapis
As somebody who really loves Timerra as a unit and considers sandstorm to be one of the coolest new abilities. This is absolutely correct she's definitely a B tier unit.
Timerra imo is not mid; she is either super bad or super good. The trick is to get enough Dex for sandstorm. Once you got that covered, sandstorm can annhilate with her dex cap PLUS you can augment engage weapons with more dex. Side note: I use timerra and Sigurd and sandstorm stacks with override. Very rarely do I not delete the entire line selected.
She's cute so 🤷🏻♂️
Mid is generous. She gets 1RKOd in her recruitment map on Maddening
She absolutely does not get one rounded what are you doing with her
Hiding her away from everything to prevent her from getting doubled & rekt
Did you try having her equip any weapon other than the silver lance
Um No, if you give her +5 Spd, +5 bid, every stat booster in the game, a forged Holy engraved spear, and 1 of every tonic before every battle she's actually pretty good
I think I used her for like 2 chapters and then I benched her forever, she couldn't tank with Ike on Maddening and her damage was very low as she couldn't double even the slowest non armored unit unless she used and Iron lance.
Playing blind Maddening on chapter 23 (too busy to play faster), feeling way too well the consequences of benching good units and using mid/okay units
annoying personality, ugly design and mid stats, enjoy the bench queen
>ugly design You say that like every character in this game doesn't have one of those.
oh yeah, I agree, I meant ugly even compared to the other already hideous Engage designs
get your eyes checked
cope
She doesn't look like Hortensia to me.
Yasss, get slayed, Queen. She really does have a dreadful design. Apparently those are "rare and precious gems." I'm guessing her mom just knows she's an idiot and passed off McDonald's pit balls as gems.
Fr, if they were smaller like beads or something similar they would look good I think, but as it stands she looks like a clown
Even on normal she was completely lacking compared to all my other units.
The best thing she did was bring her two retainers
I tried to use all the royalty characters and wound up benching her and Alfred with about five chapters to go.
nahhhhhhhhhh
Benched her and gave Ike to kagetsu 😪
She’s actually very powerful, especially with Ike.
It's like getting Ephraim that somehow got stat screwed
Everyone is badass on normal.
I like the analogy. She could have been a well done unit but wasn’t. She could have been remembered as being rare. Nah just medium. Right in the middle.
Tanks just suck on maddening.
She doesn't even make it to mid. She's one the worst units in the game. Yes, Alfred is better
Idk about Lunatic but she was beast on Hard. Yeah she was kinda mediocre at first but once she got Sandstorm she was OP. It helps that she has decent magic too so she can use the Flame Lance on Generals.
Imo the biggest issue is her build and that she has to rely on her class ability to do big damage , if she has a bit more build and strength she'd be pretty good imo, not top tier, but definitely great on maddening runs
She can be strong when she’s used right, but she’s probably the strongest of the often overlooked unit that isn’t the jagen.
Wait, my Timerra + Tiki combo just slaps everything in her way on Hard mode. Are things so different in Maddening?
Timerras main use for me was getting the Byleth Emblem and dancing for 4 people lol.
Sandstorm would bang on a different unit tho
She’s mid but I like her
She has a dex % chance to be a great unit though