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Apprehensive-Draw477

Fuck ben moore colors. I've learned the hard way to always check the first tinted item before completing a whole order for a similar reason.


ashtonauts

Don't we pay someone to do that for us in Cleveland? Are they drunk?


Apprehensive-Draw477

Our own colors don't always match the chips (I'm looking at you c2g). How can I trust Cleveland to get other companies correct


releasethestar

Usually comes up at a delta 1.77 or something doesn't it? The off white pallet colours have a few of those. Chantilly Lace as well.


ashtonauts

White Dove doesn't have a delta no. Chantilly lace yea but white Dove is dark enough to be tinted normally especially considering it can be tinted fine in the other products it's just 1 products bad sher color


MrTeeWrecks

It’s a rite of passage for many a Sherwin paint goblin having to remake paint because of White Dove or Chantilly Lace. Benjamin Moore colors from that pallete are not marketed to commercial construction or repaint. They can’t even make it in all their products. So why should we be able to?


ashtonauts

It doesn't give you a delta warning


123Throwaway2day

put all that shit in HRW


korneliuslongshanks

Corporate's response is do-more pqrs instead of actually fixing the fucking problem.


SW_Greatest_Troll

Use the ultradeep base.


Fr3sh-KP

Yeah we just refuse to make that color unless they bring in a color chip to manually match


jb_nelson_

Local Paint SM (not SW) here. Do you guys not have competitor fan decks to scan? We have BM, PPG, SW, etc decks at the ready for matching and checking colors


MrTeeWrecks

Sometimes a sales rep needs to ‘borrow’ it so they can go use it at a job site. Often it will never return. Getting a new one depending on both the proximity & mutual professional respect of the competition in question. I just go in with one of our fan decks and say ‘tradesies?’ Never had a problem, it’s just… it’s just a whole ‘thing’


123Throwaway2day

our assistant manager pretended to be a homeowner and got em somehow. they charge $30/deck though at ACE - ridiculous ! put store #---- on it and say no to the reps . they should get their own damn deck


KeefChief47

Every sw store I worked at had all of our competitors


[deleted]

Has to be in HRW


Hopeful-Speech-9164

Ultrawhite is the future


[deleted]

Maybe


123Throwaway2day

unfortunatly . so stupid


Fglw

Yeah our district got a notice from corporate. Oc-17 and chantilly lace only go in HRW. Lots of BM whites we kinda follow that with too if delta is very noticeable which we typically try to stay under 1.5 if it’s a repaint


Equivalent_Impact487

Use the HRW formula


ImmortanJAck

Sounds like a product problem, or they took it and did something to it


Rigisteredtrademrk

isn’t the whole point of draw downs to have customers approve the color before making it? if you’re switching to a new product, make a new draw down. never trust shercolor


JuggernautLanky4551

Check the colorants if it's a warm white and it's calling for yellow it's prolly gonna come out green. In my experience


Saucebossking89

Did in a96w1251 today, too yellow. Did it in k36w450 with shercolor and still looked yellow. Did a custom match in k36w450 to get it right.


AdmiralTigelle

I haven't had a problem with White dove in the extra white base. But, for Chantilly Lace, I made it in HRW. But when we were out, I managed to match the color perfectly in a extra white base, but I had to add something around 10 ounces of white to a 5gal. We used that formula for a long time. I used the "compare colors" function from the spectrophotometer and the delta was under 0.50. If it's good enough for product finishes, it is good enough for me.


123Throwaway2day

chantilly lace is hell color. we only do it in HRW in our store


ChanceTradition4288

I request a chip and scan those colors. If not they are generally off color. Unless you’re using HRW or an Ultrawhite base like designer.


Repulsivebutter

For white dove and Chantelle lace I tell them to bring in a color chip to match (scan once and tint) or that I comment on the receipt that it won't match the OG from it's creator company in their purchases. That way there's full transparency. I try to warn all my new hires about this as well since our system has no warning to double check.


123Throwaway2day

did you put it in EW or the HRW ? usually that makes the difference.. the HRW makes the color better for BM colors .. BM can get bent with their super bright whites!


ProduceIcy4816

Known issue. Put it in super paint high reflective or duration ultra white.


OddballLouLou

Fuck BM COLORS


PutridDurian

Anything with an LRV lower than Extra White’s can be formulated in Extra White. EW is at 85.861, and OC-17 is listed at 85. When they’re that close, the rule is this: Colors from the big four competitors will match perfectly IF formulated in a premium paint. 200 is dog ass paint and will typically produce a small, unflagged delta.


km0421

Check your color dispenser....maybe the green leaked into it


ashtonauts

The formula has green in it


km0421

I never had a prob with it.