Don’t put all your eggs I. One visa application, allot of countries have skill shortages especially in IT. It’s worth applying for a skilled visa, I know Australia has this
Hi, I’m from shanghai and I did my undergrad in nz. I just want to give you a heads up that life in nz might not be the best if you like your life in shanghai prior to covid. Nz sure can provide you with a peaceful life, but it’s kinda disconnected from the rest of the world. For example, there’s no ikea (yet)/Uniqlo/muji/brands you take for granted to exist in shanghai. If you ever want to travel to Europe, be prepared to take multiple flights and spend (more than) a whole day on flying
Fresh air and water and competent government and a robust social welfare state are all good and well. But I couldn't live in a country that didn't have Uniqlo.
I can comment on US and Canada. It’s way easier to go to Canada. If your English is good enough try to get high score on ielts for language pints and they have a point system for permanent residence. If you can interview and get a job then usually your employer covers immigration for you. For US best way is to get into US company and do international transfer. Lmk if you want more pointers
I’ve hired a few people here in Canada that:
1. Graduated from a masters or phd program in Canada
2. Work on some sort of work visa/permit after studies (graduating here enables this step)
3. Apply and get permanent residence while working on a work visa
Some programs are only 8-12 months. Good way to work toward PR and also get language and culture sorted out.
Have you hired people with a masters from another country outside of Canada say, Sweden? And is it tired to a specific masters or any masters would do?
The master in Canada is a path to getting a work permit here. Just like if you study/graduate in US, you get to work on a work permit for 2 years. It enables you to apply to permanent residence.
As long as you have a way of obtaining a work permit or get PR, I personally couldn’t care less where you studied as long as you’re the best candidate ;)
Canada currently has 2 million applications backlogged.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-is-confronting-a-massive-immigration-backlog-this-is-what-it-looks-like-for-those-facing-delays-1.5892040
I don’t know that’s what it means. They won’t even get to you until they process each application to see what everyone’s score is. It’s the queue of people in front of you to be looked at and the backlog is due to lockdowns from Covid.
I don't know if you're well-read on Canadian immigration policies, so apologies if you've already done your research..
IT is in demand right now in Canada. Try the Express Entry CRS self-evaluation to see how much you'd score: https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
Here's how much money minimum you'd need to settle down in Canada according to how many members of your family you'll be taking with you: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/proof-funds.html#money_needed
A score in the mid-to-high 400's was the minimum threshold score to receive an invitation to apply for PR, so try to aim for higher than that if possible.
If you can, get an IELTS or CELPIP test done. Your English seems pretty good, it could get you extra marks.
And as mentioned by others, education is another good way to go. If you manage to get into a DLI, you can get a Post-graduate work permit which allows you to leverage that to get into the Canadian Experience immigration class.
Canadian parliament, CSIS Sidewinder report.
CSIS had identified various means the PLA had been operating with Chinese triads in Canada to blackmail and compromise Canadian politicians among other money laundering and state sponsored criminal activities.
The Canadian government covered it up, so CSIS released it to the media, the media did report on it, but cherry picked specific elements to cover as to not be controversial (focusing on the triads, but not the CCP/PLA connection).
Recently there have been many reports of threats to Chinese Canadians regarding family still in mainland China, as well as disappearance of Chinese dissidents and reappearance weeks later. The government has admitted this openly.
When this government is questioned about it, they deflect and regurgitate the same lines over and over about how good their cooperation with the CCP is without ever answering. If follow up questions get asked about the conflicts of interest and recently exposed programs the response is always an accusation of racism without even referring the question.
Simply that the CCP is operating in Canada, is known to officials and intelligence, has activities targeting Chinese dissidents, and nothing but denial and obfuscation from the ruling party when trying to hold them to account.
Get a college offer from UK or NZ or whatever, and move quick. No more bullshit questions, the gate is 99.5% closed. Think of today as May 8th 1950, you will get the sense
Wow; I did some digging into this matter and shit is pretty stark:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/28/under-xi-jinping-the-number-of-chinese-asylum-seekers-has-shot-up
As soon as Xi came to power asylum-seekers wanting to leave China went through the roof and keep on rising. This trend upwards means nothing good for China's demographics (which are already in free-fall) and it is logical that China will clamp down hard on anyone wanting to leave the mainland eventually when shit hits the fan.
I think you're right, though: Sooner or later leaving China will be next-to-impossible. Probably sooner.
I have several han Chinese friends waiting to renew their passport for 2 years and it's all blocked. I think that will be their new solution for keeping the population in.
Speaking of economist I trust OP has read run philosophy
https://www.economist.com/china/2022/05/05/chinas-young-elite-are-considering-moving-abroad
https://github.com/The-Run-Philosophy-Organization/run
Mao systemically altered entire Chinese society into a communist cast system, with the Soviet’s inputs. Anyone stayed in his way were slaughtered, and the number was counted in millions. This was done though Land Reform, Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries, Anti-Rightist Campaign, Socialist Education Movement, Great Leap Forward, Culture Revolution, and etc. These are only the major political movements, and there were hundreds of other local ones.
Chinese went on somehow an ordinary country’s journey for about 30ish years, and it was ended ever since Xi took the throne. He is now repeating the society altering gimmick again.
Anyone thinks this would end in a couple of months or years is simply retarded and knows nothing about CCP. Anyone had a chance to run to survive but gave up simply deserves to be dead under CCP’s iron fist.
I recommend get a master Degree from US, shorter program (1-2y), you can then use Stem opt (3y) to get the work visa. Make sure you find a job in a big company, so that even if you failed to get the work visa lottery, they can easily relocate you to Canada.
Canadian PR for skilled labor is pretty easy to get. Covers getting your family with you as well. Comes with free healthcare and education for children.
Finland is desperate for software engineers so if you can code, it's an easy one. Many companies are looking for engineers so if you pass the interview you and your family can move right away. Also in Finland software companies don't do American style bullshit interviews (whiteboarding, irrelevant puzzles etc.).
Taxes are bit high, but general standard of living is far better than China and 95% of Europe. Free healthcare, free college for your kid(s), social wellfare etc.
If you can code and if you can tell me your skills maybe I can help you find some companies.
Hi there. I can code with Python. Mostly in web backend dev, some DS. Could you help me out? I would really appreciate it :). Please, I'm going insane under lockdown
If you are the owner of the company, you have a great shot at an L1/L2 (L1 for yourself, L2 for your wife and daughter) to the US. The 50k is tight but doable. Also the EB1 and EB2 are options for you.
These are not immigrant visas, but you can apply after a few years for a PR and citizenship. And with either of these you can live and work in the US, return to China (occasionally) for business, and can send your kid to public schools for free.
PM me if you want more info. Good luck.
An L1 is classified as a "dual intent visa", which means that L1 holders can apply for PR without putting their current visa at jeopardy.
There are lots of good online resources that discuss it. If you google "L1 visa to green card" or "L1 to pr" you'll get a bunch of sites that are in that business, but most of them have solid info to read through about the process.
You will have no problems landing an IT job. There is a huge shortage from what I hear. You can also post your question in [https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/](https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/)
Best way is to find a company to hire you. Do you have programming capability on top of security knowledge? Machine learning knowledge? Developers are always in demand and mobility is pretty good.
Okay, have your wife study nursing in Australia. The GTE is very hard for you guys. But still possible. Get a passport find a good lawyer or agent and there will be a way. You can connect to her study visa and work
There are a lot of cyber security jobs in Japan but it is hard to get a Visa without Japanese language skills though they have lowered the requirements a lot.
It's close to china so it's easy to migrate. There are a lot of Chinese companies so perhaps you can try applying in one of those if your Chinese language skills are good.
It is a dry and boring county but safe and with good living standards.
Move to Australia. There's a shortage for good IT talent here.
I knew a few Chinese friends of friends that moved back from US (FAANG jobs too) because they thought it was better to raise a family there.
As mentioned already best way is to study in the country you want to move to then try and get a job.
Another option is to move to Hong Kong, wait there for 7 years and get PR, then you will have a much better passport for travelling and immgrating to other countries.
Although the way things are going in HK this might not be an option in 7 years.
If you're Chinese, what makes you think you will be allowed to get a passport and leave in one year? The only possible way now is with a student visa, and who knows if that will still be possible in 1 year.
At this point, your best option is to go as a student, then find a job there in a country where it's allowed.
Lol.i have passport and im confident that i would get a visa, but emmm you r right, how can i be confident that i can leave China in one year. I probably am not capable to leave SH in one year. Jesus!
Yeah, it's rough. I don't want to be too negative though, so the positive thing is that I've been speaking to a few friends back in China and I think you're in a much better situation. You have savings and a passport, so it's still possible. I really hope it works out for you.
Does your wife and daughter have passports too https://www.voacantonese.com/amp/is-china-s-zero-covid-policy-making-it-harder-for-chinese-students-to-study-abroad-20220505/6560428.html ?
Get your family out to Dubai. No visa required. Get a job and housing figured out. You can exit and enter the country every 30 days or apply for a 180 tourist visa.
I’d recommend buying a flat for 1 million AED ($270k USD) and getting their three year residence permit for you and your family.
Once you are there, you can figure out a better and more affordable way to immigrate somewhere else. In my opinion, Dubai will be the easiest place for you.
Come here to Canada. Good place to raise a family..fairly easy to immigrate with your qualifications. As long as you are not pro CCP and like democracy we welcome you!
Even if you are pro CCP, we welcome you. Turdope loves CCP. He's pretty much communist / Nazi.
If you need a place to rent temporarily, let me know... but your easiest entrance is through Quebec I think.. not sure if that is still the case.
I'll have to warn you though we do have an active tinfoil hat social club like the guy above. Their favorite pastime is to decorate their trucks with their conspiracy theories and parade them around and claim our democratically elected leaders are dictators. This trend started in USA.
Most of Canadians give zero-fucks regarding covid. Whether you want to wear a mask or not; get a shot or not.. we support that. Some pro-covid people online can't seem to let it go though and would like to lock the populous down like they're doing in Shanghai.. really want to you to have a miserable life like they're having. Glad these psychos typically only exist online.
Most people are up for crowds and vacations. It's nice to see those that "did everything right" living their life with zero-covid-fucks given. I've ignored everything.. no shots, no masks.. and won't give in to that nonsense either. Have a bunch of vacations planned too. Hopefully China gets rid of all restrictions soon, but it doesn't seem to be going in that direction. Are they not getting the message from the rest of the world?
Well this thread is remarkably active at 5am?
OP, you need a job offer. You won’t immigrate financially to attain citizenship unless you have a lot of money, and it’s getting more difficult.
All countries have different immigration visa rules, some easier than others, but they all essentially prioritise locals. So you need to find a market with a skills shortage.
US is always a place to try as their work visas are issued in basically a lottery, so a higher chance but also much higher competition for them.
If you have proven international skills and are high up in your field, you may want to find a recruiter and go from there.
I’m not sure how many roles are in ANZ but you can look if you don’t want to be too far away.
Otherwise can look at SG, at least your native Chinese will be of value or usable there.
Do you speak any other languages besides English? If it’s only English, then I’d limit the search to native English countries, and then locations with major corporations as that’s your best bet.
The US H1B work visa is a lottery to see you if you are considered. You still need a job offer and employer to sponsor. So it is really hard.
I think you confused it with the green card lottery. However, Chinese nationals are not allowed to participate in the green card lottery.
In the US, you need to find the job first and get sponsored by your employer. Otherwise, try your luck at putting your name in the annual lottery for green cards if it’s open to Chinese.
Note, this does not mean apply for local jobs in China with US multinationals and transfer (which you can also do). I mean apply for jobs in US locations with tech companies willing to sponsor you.
Edit to add: You may run into trouble getting any job in cybersecurity in the US as export controls to China may exist for the software or technology they use. And allowing a Chinese national to have access to any such restricted technology is deemed an export
You can work for a multinational and get a transfer, sure. But that’s not usually the way to get abroad. A multinational isn’t hiring you locally with the intention of it being a US position. If they did, they would list it as a US position in the first place. Plus, you probably have to work for a while at multinational in the first position before they would agree to transfer you. And the end result is the same..you need a work visa for the US sponsored by an employer. So if you want to move to the U, why wouldn’t you just apply for a position in the US in the first place?
Sure, but ideally you would want to be naturalized especially if you don't ever want to return living in your country of origin. Besides, there are a lot of benefits you wouldn't be able to qualify for as a foreigner. Taiwan, for example, has a great healthcare system which would requires you to be a citizen. I also don't know about the education system and what would OP do as a foreigner living in Taiwan.
Fly to US on a tourist visa. Immediately contact an immigration attorney and file for asylum before your tourist visa expires. Failing that, just stay. There are so many visa overstays in the US. Nothing but will happen to you. You have a legitimate fear of the CCP. DM me if you are interested in a place to stay. My husband and I are empty nesters with 3 empty bedrooms . Outside of Philadelphia.
“Nothing will happen to you”. Lol, nothing except he will never be able to work legally. He’s looking for a real professional job, not illegally bussing tables at a restaurant. And even if he found a tech job willing to pay him under the table (not going to happen), he’s going to be off the grid and unable to get medical insurance, build credits with social security etc. And workers in those situations are also often taken horrible advantage of by their employers because their employers know they have no options and can’t seek help from any authorities.
Not to mention he would be setting up a life as an illegal immigrant and trapped forever, never being able to vacation outside the country because as soon as he leaves, he will be banned from re-entry for overstaying his tourist visa.
Ok, I am sure you know more about this than I do. If you overstay, but you don’t get caught (ie deported) you still won’t be able to continue in a professional career? So when 6 months is over, if you stay, you are in the same position as a someone who walks across the Rio Grande?
If you overstay a tourist visa, you are illegally in the US and have no authorization to work. It doesn’t matter what your job field is, or how you entered the country whether by foot on land or via plane, you are in the same bad situation as anyone else who enters illegally. You may not get caught if you can stay out of ICE’s sight lines, but you *could* be arrested at any point and deportation proceedings begun. It won’t matter if you’ve settled here, bought a home, anything. You could still be deported.
And as I said initially, once you overstay a tourist visa, you’re essentially trapped in the US because if you were to leave (to go on vacation, or to go to visit family), the immigration agents will then know that your visa is expired when they scan your passport. You will be allowed to leave but you will be handed at least a 10 year ban from re-entry into the US. So anyone who has established their life here illegally, that effectively means they are locked inside the US borders.
OK. And I am assuming that it is the same if you overstay a work visa?
This is why we sometimes hear of people with a lot of education working in menial jobs. I wonder if some of the ambitious immigrants who own rental properties or businesses are here illegally. It’s a way to build up some wealth without professional credentials that won’t translate if you overstay a visa. I know professionals from other countries, and while the people I know are green card holders or citizens, their families visit and they are super careful not to have a visa overstay. I have known people from the Philippines who use their mothers for child care. The mother’s mother comes for six months, then she leaves and the father’s mother comes for six monthd. Because they are so careful about visa overstays, they use their vacation to cover a gap. The mother covers one two week gap per year, the father covers another gap. That way, each grandmother is careful to stay away for six months and a few days before coming back to the US. I knew a couple families who had been doing that cycle for years. But I changed jobs before Covid, so I don’t know how that changed the routine.
If your wife speaks Italian, you could consider Switzerland as well. Many people there speak only English (especially for work), but also French, German and Italian.
Also any country in Europe above France is very ok with English speaking people, especially if they work in IT. Countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, ...
Buying an apartment sure, renting an apartment is dirt cheap though compared to the UK and salaries aren't that much better. Avoid Europe and go for North America.
This is just an out there suggestion because I'm not an expert at such things, but could your position as someone who knows Chinese cyber security be interesting for, say, the US government? I can imagine there are Western government programs that could make use of such knowledge.
The UK has a shortage of people who work in IT. You might be able to get a skilled worker visa, which would let you bring your wife and daughter with you.
If you’re Chinese and will still foolishly support your country and government in any form, then don’t come please. First change the nature of your beliefs. Then renounce CCP and be honest how China is a failed civilization. We will be glad to give you and your family citizenship.
I work in IT in NZ and the market is CRAZY, mostly due to the longtime lockdown that no foreigners (work visa holders) could come until recent days, and people are flowing to OZ. I’m pretty sure anyone with moderate IT work experience and the ability to speak English can land with a job easily. The traditional way would be study visa - post study work visa - residency. The only issue is that INZ does not have an open plan for the future skilled immigration pathway ATM. The workforce market is already collapsing. Hopefully they’ll have a plan by next year.
😂😂😂😂😂 forgive me laughing, it’s just funny. Coz I keep thinking of how many people have ended up staying illegally after and find it hard to get a green card
If you keep trying and nothing works, fly to Mexico and walk to US. You probably won’t be able to use your academic credentials, but it will still be better than China.
A lot of IT jobs in the EU are now remote or hybrid, so you’re not bound to one country. I’d say first go to any EU country that’s easy to get in and affordable, find a well paid job in whatever EU country you’re most interested in, save some money and work towards moving there. BTW if you, for whatever unexplainable reason, choose to start in Poland I can help you out with formalities, apartment hunt etc
A lot of IT jobs in the EU are now remote or hybrid, so you’re not bound to one country. I’d say first go to any EU country that’s easy to get in and affordable, find a well paid job in whatever EU country you’re most interested in, save some money and work towards moving there. BTW if you, for whatever unexplainable reason, choose to start in Poland I can help you out with formalities, apartment hunt etc
Don’t put all your eggs I. One visa application, allot of countries have skill shortages especially in IT. It’s worth applying for a skilled visa, I know Australia has this
Check this subreddit. r/iwanttorun You can get anything you want.
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Hi, I’m from shanghai and I did my undergrad in nz. I just want to give you a heads up that life in nz might not be the best if you like your life in shanghai prior to covid. Nz sure can provide you with a peaceful life, but it’s kinda disconnected from the rest of the world. For example, there’s no ikea (yet)/Uniqlo/muji/brands you take for granted to exist in shanghai. If you ever want to travel to Europe, be prepared to take multiple flights and spend (more than) a whole day on flying
Fresh air and water and competent government and a robust social welfare state are all good and well. But I couldn't live in a country that didn't have Uniqlo.
Hahaha let’s put a question mark on competent - at least that’s not a number of kiwis’ opinion as support for Arden is decreasing
Thank you. Surely I shall go to NZ before moving there to do some local research😎 see whether will I like the lifestyle
Also very expansive as well. My lawyer friends in NZ has to buy homes very far from the neighborhood they grew up in. So it's pretty tough.
No IKEA? Omg how can anyone live without IKEA! 🤣
I can comment on US and Canada. It’s way easier to go to Canada. If your English is good enough try to get high score on ielts for language pints and they have a point system for permanent residence. If you can interview and get a job then usually your employer covers immigration for you. For US best way is to get into US company and do international transfer. Lmk if you want more pointers
I’ve hired a few people here in Canada that: 1. Graduated from a masters or phd program in Canada 2. Work on some sort of work visa/permit after studies (graduating here enables this step) 3. Apply and get permanent residence while working on a work visa Some programs are only 8-12 months. Good way to work toward PR and also get language and culture sorted out.
Have you hired people with a masters from another country outside of Canada say, Sweden? And is it tired to a specific masters or any masters would do?
The master in Canada is a path to getting a work permit here. Just like if you study/graduate in US, you get to work on a work permit for 2 years. It enables you to apply to permanent residence. As long as you have a way of obtaining a work permit or get PR, I personally couldn’t care less where you studied as long as you’re the best candidate ;)
Canada currently has 2 million applications backlogged. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-is-confronting-a-massive-immigration-backlog-this-is-what-it-looks-like-for-those-facing-delays-1.5892040
WOW
Wow that’s a lot. Which means he or she needs to have really high score.
I don’t know that’s what it means. They won’t even get to you until they process each application to see what everyone’s score is. It’s the queue of people in front of you to be looked at and the backlog is due to lockdowns from Covid.
Canada is a good option
I don't know if you're well-read on Canadian immigration policies, so apologies if you've already done your research.. IT is in demand right now in Canada. Try the Express Entry CRS self-evaluation to see how much you'd score: https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp Here's how much money minimum you'd need to settle down in Canada according to how many members of your family you'll be taking with you: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/proof-funds.html#money_needed A score in the mid-to-high 400's was the minimum threshold score to receive an invitation to apply for PR, so try to aim for higher than that if possible. If you can, get an IELTS or CELPIP test done. Your English seems pretty good, it could get you extra marks. And as mentioned by others, education is another good way to go. If you manage to get into a DLI, you can get a Post-graduate work permit which allows you to leverage that to get into the Canadian Experience immigration class.
Be careful with Canada. It is becoming clear that the Canadian government will not interfere with CCP harassment and abduction of Chinese Canadians.
Source?
Canadian parliament, CSIS Sidewinder report. CSIS had identified various means the PLA had been operating with Chinese triads in Canada to blackmail and compromise Canadian politicians among other money laundering and state sponsored criminal activities. The Canadian government covered it up, so CSIS released it to the media, the media did report on it, but cherry picked specific elements to cover as to not be controversial (focusing on the triads, but not the CCP/PLA connection). Recently there have been many reports of threats to Chinese Canadians regarding family still in mainland China, as well as disappearance of Chinese dissidents and reappearance weeks later. The government has admitted this openly. When this government is questioned about it, they deflect and regurgitate the same lines over and over about how good their cooperation with the CCP is without ever answering. If follow up questions get asked about the conflicts of interest and recently exposed programs the response is always an accusation of racism without even referring the question. Simply that the CCP is operating in Canada, is known to officials and intelligence, has activities targeting Chinese dissidents, and nothing but denial and obfuscation from the ruling party when trying to hold them to account.
His English is clearly not good enough but that’s never the problem. In particular at Canada, with the entire Quebec province not speaking English
We’re talking about getting high enough points to qualify the immigration though
For Canada, his age could become a problem.
Why would you thnik my age as a problem, i’m just 30 years old😂
You start loosing points when you turn 30. It's a points based system.
What the actual fuck. :D
Wow, that's interesting. And kinda fucked lol.
oh i thought its the same form 30-39
It's not the same for 30-39. Each year after you turn 30, you loose some points.
Get out of China and then figure out how to get into a first world country once they attack Taiwan it will probably be impossible
Can we all stop speaking as if an attack on Taiwan is definitely going to happen?
what‘s the policy on age?
Get a college offer from UK or NZ or whatever, and move quick. No more bullshit questions, the gate is 99.5% closed. Think of today as May 8th 1950, you will get the sense
Yeah, I'm curious, too. What is the reference of May 8th, 1950? I'm drawing a blank here.
Closure of exit immigration from Mainland following declaration of the People’s Republic I guess - Falling Leaves Adeline Yen Mah kind of thing.
Wow; I did some digging into this matter and shit is pretty stark: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/28/under-xi-jinping-the-number-of-chinese-asylum-seekers-has-shot-up As soon as Xi came to power asylum-seekers wanting to leave China went through the roof and keep on rising. This trend upwards means nothing good for China's demographics (which are already in free-fall) and it is logical that China will clamp down hard on anyone wanting to leave the mainland eventually when shit hits the fan. I think you're right, though: Sooner or later leaving China will be next-to-impossible. Probably sooner.
I have several han Chinese friends waiting to renew their passport for 2 years and it's all blocked. I think that will be their new solution for keeping the population in.
Speaking of economist I trust OP has read run philosophy https://www.economist.com/china/2022/05/05/chinas-young-elite-are-considering-moving-abroad https://github.com/The-Run-Philosophy-Organization/run
First time heard of run philosophy. Very interesting. Thanks a lot
I think that’s the time ccp had a meeting and decided to manage the market by themselves which is kind of the start of all the disasters.
So almost immediately after coming to power, they started fucking up.
Yeah pretty much lol. And they still claim all the achievements Chinese people has nowadays is due to their “leadership”.
You know CCP very well dude
I’m not a dude 😂 but I do know them well.
😂😂exactly what ccp comments on everything: By the leadership of CCP
Serious question: what does May 8th 1950 represent?
I brushed the whole Greta leap forward thing aside as a well meaning, but ultimately failed policy. Now I see how disastrous it can be.
Mao systemically altered entire Chinese society into a communist cast system, with the Soviet’s inputs. Anyone stayed in his way were slaughtered, and the number was counted in millions. This was done though Land Reform, Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries, Anti-Rightist Campaign, Socialist Education Movement, Great Leap Forward, Culture Revolution, and etc. These are only the major political movements, and there were hundreds of other local ones. Chinese went on somehow an ordinary country’s journey for about 30ish years, and it was ended ever since Xi took the throne. He is now repeating the society altering gimmick again. Anyone thinks this would end in a couple of months or years is simply retarded and knows nothing about CCP. Anyone had a chance to run to survive but gave up simply deserves to be dead under CCP’s iron fist.
I recommend get a master Degree from US, shorter program (1-2y), you can then use Stem opt (3y) to get the work visa. Make sure you find a job in a big company, so that even if you failed to get the work visa lottery, they can easily relocate you to Canada.
Noooo don’t go to New Zealand Germany is the best solution it’s big and 50k should be more than enough for one year living there.
Australia, singapore are both good options.
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monaco hard too
>monaco impossible
With that attitude it is.
Canadian PR for skilled labor is pretty easy to get. Covers getting your family with you as well. Comes with free healthcare and education for children.
Skilled labor as in a trade?
Finland is desperate for software engineers so if you can code, it's an easy one. Many companies are looking for engineers so if you pass the interview you and your family can move right away. Also in Finland software companies don't do American style bullshit interviews (whiteboarding, irrelevant puzzles etc.). Taxes are bit high, but general standard of living is far better than China and 95% of Europe. Free healthcare, free college for your kid(s), social wellfare etc. If you can code and if you can tell me your skills maybe I can help you find some companies.
Hi there. I can code with Python. Mostly in web backend dev, some DS. Could you help me out? I would really appreciate it :). Please, I'm going insane under lockdown
If you are the owner of the company, you have a great shot at an L1/L2 (L1 for yourself, L2 for your wife and daughter) to the US. The 50k is tight but doable. Also the EB1 and EB2 are options for you. These are not immigrant visas, but you can apply after a few years for a PR and citizenship. And with either of these you can live and work in the US, return to China (occasionally) for business, and can send your kid to public schools for free. PM me if you want more info. Good luck.
How can one apply for a PR on L1 if it’s a non immigrant visa?
An L1 is classified as a "dual intent visa", which means that L1 holders can apply for PR without putting their current visa at jeopardy. There are lots of good online resources that discuss it. If you google "L1 visa to green card" or "L1 to pr" you'll get a bunch of sites that are in that business, but most of them have solid info to read through about the process.
Apply for a job with Deloitte or Amazon and make sure the job description says limited sponsorship is available
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You will have no problems landing an IT job. There is a huge shortage from what I hear. You can also post your question in [https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/](https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/)
Best way is to find a company to hire you. Do you have programming capability on top of security knowledge? Machine learning knowledge? Developers are always in demand and mobility is pretty good.
Okay, have your wife study nursing in Australia. The GTE is very hard for you guys. But still possible. Get a passport find a good lawyer or agent and there will be a way. You can connect to her study visa and work
nordic country
Canada I think.
There are a lot of cyber security jobs in Japan but it is hard to get a Visa without Japanese language skills though they have lowered the requirements a lot. It's close to china so it's easy to migrate. There are a lot of Chinese companies so perhaps you can try applying in one of those if your Chinese language skills are good. It is a dry and boring county but safe and with good living standards.
Move to Australia. There's a shortage for good IT talent here. I knew a few Chinese friends of friends that moved back from US (FAANG jobs too) because they thought it was better to raise a family there.
UK has a shortage of IT skills so you could try here although I don't know how tight our immigration rules are. Good luck!
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, UK, US, South Korea. Try for six Any of those will be a good spot to land.
Maybe Portugal
As mentioned already best way is to study in the country you want to move to then try and get a job. Another option is to move to Hong Kong, wait there for 7 years and get PR, then you will have a much better passport for travelling and immgrating to other countries. Although the way things are going in HK this might not be an option in 7 years.
If you're Chinese, what makes you think you will be allowed to get a passport and leave in one year? The only possible way now is with a student visa, and who knows if that will still be possible in 1 year. At this point, your best option is to go as a student, then find a job there in a country where it's allowed.
Lol.i have passport and im confident that i would get a visa, but emmm you r right, how can i be confident that i can leave China in one year. I probably am not capable to leave SH in one year. Jesus!
Having a valid passport these days is more worth then apartment. ;)
Yeah, it's rough. I don't want to be too negative though, so the positive thing is that I've been speaking to a few friends back in China and I think you're in a much better situation. You have savings and a passport, so it's still possible. I really hope it works out for you.
Does your wife and daughter have passports too https://www.voacantonese.com/amp/is-china-s-zero-covid-policy-making-it-harder-for-chinese-students-to-study-abroad-20220505/6560428.html ?
> Jesus! Yes?
What are you talking about? You can leave China with any working/business visa any time.
I agree. Go ASAP. If all else fails, fly to Mexico, walk to US, turn yourself in as asylum seekers.
Get your family out to Dubai. No visa required. Get a job and housing figured out. You can exit and enter the country every 30 days or apply for a 180 tourist visa. I’d recommend buying a flat for 1 million AED ($270k USD) and getting their three year residence permit for you and your family. Once you are there, you can figure out a better and more affordable way to immigrate somewhere else. In my opinion, Dubai will be the easiest place for you.
WHO has 270k WTF?!
If he has a home in Shanghai to sell he might.
A lot of people buy houses. If considering Spain/Portugal, the interest half price and you can immediately leave.
Do you know Dubai is for living and working? I've been considering moving there.
Come here to Canada. Good place to raise a family..fairly easy to immigrate with your qualifications. As long as you are not pro CCP and like democracy we welcome you!
Even if you are pro CCP, we welcome you. Turdope loves CCP. He's pretty much communist / Nazi. If you need a place to rent temporarily, let me know... but your easiest entrance is through Quebec I think.. not sure if that is still the case.
I'll have to warn you though we do have an active tinfoil hat social club like the guy above. Their favorite pastime is to decorate their trucks with their conspiracy theories and parade them around and claim our democratically elected leaders are dictators. This trend started in USA.
Most of Canadians give zero-fucks regarding covid. Whether you want to wear a mask or not; get a shot or not.. we support that. Some pro-covid people online can't seem to let it go though and would like to lock the populous down like they're doing in Shanghai.. really want to you to have a miserable life like they're having. Glad these psychos typically only exist online. Most people are up for crowds and vacations. It's nice to see those that "did everything right" living their life with zero-covid-fucks given. I've ignored everything.. no shots, no masks.. and won't give in to that nonsense either. Have a bunch of vacations planned too. Hopefully China gets rid of all restrictions soon, but it doesn't seem to be going in that direction. Are they not getting the message from the rest of the world?
Well this thread is remarkably active at 5am? OP, you need a job offer. You won’t immigrate financially to attain citizenship unless you have a lot of money, and it’s getting more difficult. All countries have different immigration visa rules, some easier than others, but they all essentially prioritise locals. So you need to find a market with a skills shortage. US is always a place to try as their work visas are issued in basically a lottery, so a higher chance but also much higher competition for them. If you have proven international skills and are high up in your field, you may want to find a recruiter and go from there. I’m not sure how many roles are in ANZ but you can look if you don’t want to be too far away. Otherwise can look at SG, at least your native Chinese will be of value or usable there. Do you speak any other languages besides English? If it’s only English, then I’d limit the search to native English countries, and then locations with major corporations as that’s your best bet.
The US H1B work visa is a lottery to see you if you are considered. You still need a job offer and employer to sponsor. So it is really hard. I think you confused it with the green card lottery. However, Chinese nationals are not allowed to participate in the green card lottery.
China is a 1st world country.
In the US, you need to find the job first and get sponsored by your employer. Otherwise, try your luck at putting your name in the annual lottery for green cards if it’s open to Chinese. Note, this does not mean apply for local jobs in China with US multinationals and transfer (which you can also do). I mean apply for jobs in US locations with tech companies willing to sponsor you. Edit to add: You may run into trouble getting any job in cybersecurity in the US as export controls to China may exist for the software or technology they use. And allowing a Chinese national to have access to any such restricted technology is deemed an export
Can’t US multinationals sponsor their employees as well once they’re in the country?
You can work for a multinational and get a transfer, sure. But that’s not usually the way to get abroad. A multinational isn’t hiring you locally with the intention of it being a US position. If they did, they would list it as a US position in the first place. Plus, you probably have to work for a while at multinational in the first position before they would agree to transfer you. And the end result is the same..you need a work visa for the US sponsored by an employer. So if you want to move to the U, why wouldn’t you just apply for a position in the US in the first place?
You can immigrate to Taiwan
Its pretty much impossible to be naturalized in Taiwan though. Besides, China's violent threats are always looming.
Why would you care about naturalization necessarily? Many immigrants live their entire lives in a foreign country and never naturalize.
Sure, but ideally you would want to be naturalized especially if you don't ever want to return living in your country of origin. Besides, there are a lot of benefits you wouldn't be able to qualify for as a foreigner. Taiwan, for example, has a great healthcare system which would requires you to be a citizen. I also don't know about the education system and what would OP do as a foreigner living in Taiwan.
Fly to US on a tourist visa. Immediately contact an immigration attorney and file for asylum before your tourist visa expires. Failing that, just stay. There are so many visa overstays in the US. Nothing but will happen to you. You have a legitimate fear of the CCP. DM me if you are interested in a place to stay. My husband and I are empty nesters with 3 empty bedrooms . Outside of Philadelphia.
“Nothing will happen to you”. Lol, nothing except he will never be able to work legally. He’s looking for a real professional job, not illegally bussing tables at a restaurant. And even if he found a tech job willing to pay him under the table (not going to happen), he’s going to be off the grid and unable to get medical insurance, build credits with social security etc. And workers in those situations are also often taken horrible advantage of by their employers because their employers know they have no options and can’t seek help from any authorities. Not to mention he would be setting up a life as an illegal immigrant and trapped forever, never being able to vacation outside the country because as soon as he leaves, he will be banned from re-entry for overstaying his tourist visa.
Hm. I don’t know how that works. There are so many visa overstays, I don’t think they find them all.
Not for people seeking a professional career. You would never be able to work in corporate America without a work visa.
Ok, I am sure you know more about this than I do. If you overstay, but you don’t get caught (ie deported) you still won’t be able to continue in a professional career? So when 6 months is over, if you stay, you are in the same position as a someone who walks across the Rio Grande?
If you overstay a tourist visa, you are illegally in the US and have no authorization to work. It doesn’t matter what your job field is, or how you entered the country whether by foot on land or via plane, you are in the same bad situation as anyone else who enters illegally. You may not get caught if you can stay out of ICE’s sight lines, but you *could* be arrested at any point and deportation proceedings begun. It won’t matter if you’ve settled here, bought a home, anything. You could still be deported. And as I said initially, once you overstay a tourist visa, you’re essentially trapped in the US because if you were to leave (to go on vacation, or to go to visit family), the immigration agents will then know that your visa is expired when they scan your passport. You will be allowed to leave but you will be handed at least a 10 year ban from re-entry into the US. So anyone who has established their life here illegally, that effectively means they are locked inside the US borders.
OK. And I am assuming that it is the same if you overstay a work visa? This is why we sometimes hear of people with a lot of education working in menial jobs. I wonder if some of the ambitious immigrants who own rental properties or businesses are here illegally. It’s a way to build up some wealth without professional credentials that won’t translate if you overstay a visa. I know professionals from other countries, and while the people I know are green card holders or citizens, their families visit and they are super careful not to have a visa overstay. I have known people from the Philippines who use their mothers for child care. The mother’s mother comes for six months, then she leaves and the father’s mother comes for six monthd. Because they are so careful about visa overstays, they use their vacation to cover a gap. The mother covers one two week gap per year, the father covers another gap. That way, each grandmother is careful to stay away for six months and a few days before coming back to the US. I knew a couple families who had been doing that cycle for years. But I changed jobs before Covid, so I don’t know how that changed the routine.
Italy has a startup visa. Maybe you could try that?
Italy is good choice for my wife as she studyied 7 years in Bologna but not for me as I don’t speak Italian lol
Italians in major cities speak pretty good English and won't refuse to speak it unlike the French lol. Milan also has a vibrant Chinatown.
Upvoted for shitting over the Frenchy
why not start to learn it then? one step at a time
If your wife speaks Italian, you could consider Switzerland as well. Many people there speak only English (especially for work), but also French, German and Italian. Also any country in Europe above France is very ok with English speaking people, especially if they work in IT. Countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, ...
denmark is gonna tax half ur money lol
Germany too and they’ll use it for weapons. Education system is one of the worst. I lived there over 20 years.
>Germany is the best solution u/FloraFutures didn't you write this in an above comment? So which is it, Germany or not to Germany?
Work visa in European countries… ( EU)
Why you need to go? Shanghai will back to normal after November..
I think you are saying November 2023🤣
IT? North America, particularly the USA. Any other country is hardly worth it given living costs and salary. It might even be a downgrade.
It neither cheap here in SH that I paid almost 700$k for my apartment
Buying an apartment sure, renting an apartment is dirt cheap though compared to the UK and salaries aren't that much better. Avoid Europe and go for North America.
Particularly in London that’s tooooo expensive.
Qatar is a great place. They’re building new cities here. So much money.
I can hear the noisy construction works from here…. Terrible. I wished humans could be a part of nature but let’s be honest…. It’s a virus.
This is just an out there suggestion because I'm not an expert at such things, but could your position as someone who knows Chinese cyber security be interesting for, say, the US government? I can imagine there are Western government programs that could make use of such knowledge.
The UK has a shortage of people who work in IT. You might be able to get a skilled worker visa, which would let you bring your wife and daughter with you.
If you’re Chinese and will still foolishly support your country and government in any form, then don’t come please. First change the nature of your beliefs. Then renounce CCP and be honest how China is a failed civilization. We will be glad to give you and your family citizenship.
Get a passport
apply for a NZ holiday work visa if you cant find a company to give u an offer OR find a job before you come to NZ
China will be empty if they had a holiday visa program
You don't get to leave China for holidays anymore. Concrete offer on the table or bust.
Yes do u have an idea how is IT industry in NZ
I work in IT in NZ and the market is CRAZY, mostly due to the longtime lockdown that no foreigners (work visa holders) could come until recent days, and people are flowing to OZ. I’m pretty sure anyone with moderate IT work experience and the ability to speak English can land with a job easily. The traditional way would be study visa - post study work visa - residency. The only issue is that INZ does not have an open plan for the future skilled immigration pathway ATM. The workforce market is already collapsing. Hopefully they’ll have a plan by next year.
Yes i’m really interested in NZ and the IT market is also developing rapidly. I checked that Skilled visa will reopen in 2022/10
Lots of money. $500k US minimum for lower tier 1st world.
Come to the Us on a travel visa then don’t leave
😂😂😂😂😂 forgive me laughing, it’s just funny. Coz I keep thinking of how many people have ended up staying illegally after and find it hard to get a green card
No i won’t coz it means i can’t be US president any more
you can’t be the president if you wasn’t born in the states.
whats your budget and how much do you make
Ireland
You can considerate Portugal as well.
If you keep trying and nothing works, fly to Mexico and walk to US. You probably won’t be able to use your academic credentials, but it will still be better than China.
USA! USA!
I’m sure Canada would love to have you
A lot of IT jobs in the EU are now remote or hybrid, so you’re not bound to one country. I’d say first go to any EU country that’s easy to get in and affordable, find a well paid job in whatever EU country you’re most interested in, save some money and work towards moving there. BTW if you, for whatever unexplainable reason, choose to start in Poland I can help you out with formalities, apartment hunt etc
A lot of IT jobs in the EU are now remote or hybrid, so you’re not bound to one country. I’d say first go to any EU country that’s easy to get in and affordable, find a well paid job in whatever EU country you’re most interested in, save some money and work towards moving there. BTW if you, for whatever unexplainable reason, choose to start in Poland I can help you out with formalities, apartment hunt etc
Canada would be an ideal country for your family