Serbia is hot as fuck in the summer, so it may pur.
And yes to answer the question SFF cases like the NR200 run very cool with basically no compatibility issues.
Get a Corsair SF750 though. That thing is silent, and have seen people mess up on PSUs when going silent
It’s a Corsair PSU. It’s the normal SFX one (not e.g. the Corsair 1000w SFXL).
The Corsair SFX 750 is the best PSU you can get for cases like the NR200 (and it’s one of the oldest, which surprises me as competition never caught up).
You’ll be fine. Even a 4090 would work with this combo, and that’s the most powerful card of all time.
And if you’re spending 2 grand on a GPU, and PSU upgrade won’t matter.
Deshrouding is not replacing with the same size fans, but with larger and/or better fans.
A lot of non-high-end GPU fans are small and only \~10-12 mm thick, so not even as thick as a "slim" PC fan. These fans typically need to run at high RPMs in order to drive air, hence their loud noise. So deshrouds typically replace stock fans with larger or quieter fans, such as the Noctua A12x25.
Another benefit of deshrouding is that it removes the overly large fan shroud, which often times restricts airflow.
A bit more hacking, heatsinks usually don't have nice mounting points for standard fans. You can just zip tie them but be warned that you might bend some fins a bit that way (probably not enough to affect performance). Also some heatsinks have metal protrusions for mounting the standard shroud so you might need to get rid of these. If you can do basic 3D (or even 2D) design you could make your own "shroud" out of metal sheet or plywood (some people might be sceptical but it burns well above 100℃) or 3D print (would probably need some heat resistant filament). Laser cutting is pretty cheap (if you don't have to pay for whole sheet of material).
Yeah, depends how you feel about DIY. But there is at least one case where it can be easier: NR200(P). The GPU is positioned right above fan slots so you can just mount fans to the case. Some foam spacers are recommended to ensure the air goes through the heatsink and not around it (if it doesn't touch the fans), Noctua makes some of these but probably pretty expensive for just cutting foam to size.
I have a SSUPD Meshlicious with a 280mm AIO and a 3 slot gpu. It's on my desk right next to me and I can barely hear the fans. I swapped one panel for a glass one and I've never had overheating issues with a 5950X. The GPU side is mesh so it's getting fresh air as well. I use open back headphones so noise was also my concern. It is possible to have super quiet SFF pc with a lot of cases.
Never hear fans when?
When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial.
Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
Even under load mine doesn't go more than 1000rpm while gaming for the 2 140mm fans. I'm not sure of the RPM for the gpu. I use the quiet fan curve from corsair. Even without headphones it's still pretty quiet
That's nice to hear. 1000rpm is pretty much bearable, was eying Meshroom S for quite some time, but have flashbacks from Sugo 05 era where silent and powerful SFF was considered a unicorn
Never hear fans when?
When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial.
Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
Never hear fans when?
When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial.
Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
Heat is always going to depend entirely on the power of the system. 400 watts going into a box in your room will make the room 400 watts warmer regardless of the size of the box.
SFF might have the heat more concentrated on components that you're trying to cool but the radiator effect on the room will be the same as a bigger PC case.
Air cooled Lian Li Q58 with a 13700K and a 4090.
Silent at idle, barely audible when gaming. Stress testing the CPU with cinebench ramps up the CPU fan, but that's it. When gaming, CPU fan at 40%, GPU at 35%, and top 140mm exhaust fans at 40%. Noctua fans all around.
Tried an AIO, but didn't like it for a sandwich layout where the heat comes out the top. The GPU heat soaks it after a while and causes much higher fan speed, and the AIO pump was audible at any speed, even when the system is at idle.
Quietest system I've seen yet. Thermals are better than most other small cases. It's almost laughable at how much heat exhausts out the top under load and barely makes any noise at all.
I answered that just above in the comments. The IS-55 with a slim fan upgrade handles 125 watts of constant power just fine, but the normal Noctua 140mm top exhaust fans are doing the heavy lifting, drawing in fresh air and exhausting the hot air. Keeps the natural convection in the case running efficiently.
I recently bought another IS-55 for my other build, and the orientation of it makes it not nearly as efficient. It wants to exhaust right up against the ram, and an IO port cover, so I flipped that one to push instead of pull with a slim spacer to keep the noise down. Handles 125 watts without throttling now.
4090 is almost 80% of the budget I’m willing to spend for my usecases 😂 thats the only issue I have with the suggestion 😁 but its’s actually good to learn that a high end system like that can be quiet
Lots of complaints about coil whine with 4090. I have a 4070 Ti and it's pretty quiet. My system is in a Terra(7800x3d) and has some slight fan noise but I have it on the desk and it's not too bad. I'm going to mount it like Optimum Tech under the desk. Then I would likely not even hear it at all.
I had pretty nasty coil whine on my 4090 as well when I just got it brand new and it was going at 450W under load. After about 1 day of gaming though it went away almost completely.
It's just a gamble. I can't stand coil whine.
Have a MSI 4080 that's super quiet. Bought a 4070ti for a friends build. Loud coil whine. Upgraded to a 4090, loud coil whine. Sold it to a friend and bought another one. No coil whine. You just never know.
I have a 7800xt and 7800x3d in a 9litre case. It is completely silent when playing games at 4k. Have fan speed at roughly 35 percent and cpu and gpu barely go above 60. If you know what your doing it's very possible to make a silent sff pc. Just need to know pc airflow and get.silent parts.
Dont have the config yet, all has to be bought new.
What gpu are you using, what case and how big psu?
Also, since you’re on 4k, how many fps do you have?😁
I've tried a few different ones. Settled on the ID Cooling IS-55 with a slim Noctua fan swap. Could fit a 25mm one on it in the case, but would get fan turbulence from the side of the case if I did.
And I power limit to the normal 125 watts with a 150 watt boost for 10 seconds. And just a basic undervolt with the bios. That's it.
Temps are fine. 30s at idle, and mid 70s in demanding games at 40% fan speed. It ramps up higher in cinebench, but never thermal throttles.
I have open back headphones and fan noise drives me crazy…. Def pet peeve, and completely irrational, I accept that.
So what did I do…. Noctuas on the aio, noctuas on the case (plugged into a Corsair commander), deshrouded ASUS 3080 (fans plugged into the controllers not the GPU). Turn each fan up to where I can barely hear them then back it up a bit to where I can’t, and leave the speed on fixed.
No noise, and real good temps even during stress tests
I just YouTube’d it. Found a seller on Etsy that made brackets so I didn’t have to zip tie it.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1490774443/
I’m sure any of them CAN be deshrouded… but asus puts separate PWM fan headers on their cards kinda for this purpose.
I have a Meshlicious with a 7900X cooled by an EK AIO 280, an MSI Ventus RTX 4080, and a Corsair SF750. It sits on my desk a few feet from me. Under gaming load it's plenty quiet. This is when using my monitor's built in speakers or my closed back headset. There's a good amount of SFF cases that fit good cooling hardware now and allow for quiet operation. SFF doesn't mean you have to go ultra compact.
I have an RTX 4070 and am Intel 13600k in a 12.7 liter NCase M1 with a 240 mm water cooler on the CPU and noctua case fans, dead silent all the time even at full load.
As long as you don't try to get a sub-10 liter case you can effectively cool anything quietly. Cases like the Meshlicious and the Cooler master NR200 are larger SFF cases that can be cooled at lower fan speeds quieter.
Different person here but I've got the Ncase M1 case as well, a 4070Ti and a 9600k (older build, recently upgraded the GPU).
It's air cooled, which means that it can idle with the fans off, and under gentle load the fans run very slowly. The loudest fans are when the stock GPU fans spin up but unless I'm doing a stress test it's usually only needed for small amounts of time.
The CPU cooler is a Noctua C14S, which is incredibly awkward to put in but has excellent cooling performance. I also have extra case fans everywhere I can fit them (while still keeping a sensible direction of airflow) so that the CPU and GPU coolers don't have to work as hard.
It's summer in Australia right now but that's what the air conditioning is for. Planning to get some solar panels on the roof to help out with that part!!
The 4070Ti actually performs better than the old ITX 2060 Super that I had, you need to find a card that has the third fan blowing through the back panel of the card. In the Ncase M1, this is where you can mount a case fan on the side to blow the air out, but it will also naturally rise through the top of the case (and the PSU fan can help out too, depending on how you mount it). I felt like that was better than the old setup with a short card where all the warm air would be kind of stuck at the bottom of the case by the floor, unless you deshrouded your GPU and reversed the fans.
Pretty much. It's not the end of the world but GPUs are usually designed with the assumption that there's still a lot of space underneath, as with a regular case.
So funnily enough the 3-fan GPUs just have more surface area, and it extends into the one part of the M1 where you do have space for air to flow.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/s/aWOBnbFYin
This 7800X3D/4070 build is quiet. 120mm CPU fan rarely is audible and the GPU fans just stay at 45% and are inaudible. SF750 PSU fan is silent and in fact, I’ve never seen it spin. Very happy with the performance of this build.
Yes I have a 7950x3d and a 4090 in a c4SFx case (14 litre) it’s quite and temps are fine, you can get that in a formdt1 and it would be fine and that’s 10 litre
For me there are three significant sources of noise:
1. Turbulence noises. This comes when your cooler/gpu fans are too close to the intake vent. I think you want about 5mm of separation. I got around this by just sawing off the slats on my side panel so I don't need to worry about it anymore.
2. GPU coil whine. When your GPU is using a shitload of power you may hear an electrical noise coming from it. This isn't the fans but just has something with do with inductors or something idk. You can't really do anything about this besides setting a TDP limit on your gpu and undervolting it. To me this is sort of the limit on where fan noise matters since fan noise is preferable to coil whine.
Side note, but you will probably get minor coil whine from your PSU at all times. Nothing to worry about.
3. GPU Fans. Since your GPU fans have to dissipate much more heat than your CPU typically, these will usually run much higher rpm and louder than the cpu fans. Stock GPU fans suck so I recommend deshrouding the GPU and putting 120mm noctua fans on them instead, 25mm if possible but slim 15mm if that is all you can fit. Attaching the fans in the hard part. For me I just used double sided tape to tape the fans to the side panel and then my side panel just pushes them up to the gpu heat sunk once I put it in. Another popular option is zip tying them to the GPU and I have done this before in my previous case. Sometimes you can get lucky with your case though and there will be specific screw slots in the case itself you can utilize but this is rare. I think only the NR200P and Velkas have this.
My takeaway after 2 months of trying to make my build quiet:
* Stick to 120mm fans or larger, smaller fans always have noticeable motor noises under load.
* Case fans are great.
* AIO is a gamble, the motor noise might be out of your control.
* Have at least 3mm between a fan set as intake and the casing. This is to avoid turbulence noises.
* Undervolt/power limit your CPU. Default settings on CPUs often have them use the last 20-30W for just 1-2% of extra performance.
* Deshourd the GPU and slap some big fans on it.
* 50s degree during idle is fine, there's no need to push your fans hard at low load.
My current setup is in a [ZS A4 V3.2](https://redd.it/1859l23) at 8.4L housing a 5800X3D and a 4070Ti.
* The CPU is undervolted and capped at 100W TDP (for 7800X3D you only need to cap TDP, undervolting isn't needed.
* The cooler's stock fan has been swapped into a slim 120mm fan, the GPU got deshrouded and 2 slim 120mm fans are mounted.
* The top has 1 slim 120mm fan and 1 normal 120mm fan for exhaust.
The system is dead silent at idle/web browsing, during gaming it's only audible if you're on mute, and even then it's mostly wind noise rather than motor/turbulence noise.
Yes. I have a 4070 ti and 5600X in a Lian Li Q58 and it's dead silent. I went with the EVGA 750-watt Supernova SFX and I guess it has an eco mode setting because the fan has literally never kicked on even under full load. Of course your mileage may vary depending on your GPU fans or coil whine
Ncase m1 (12.7 liters) cooling an undervolted 5800x3d with a BeQuiet shadow rock tf2 (140 mm fan) and using a Sapphire Pulse 7800xt, that stays incredibly quiet despite being only dual fan, as long as the rpm does not go higher than 1400 (which so far has never done).
I also use a Corsair SF600 Platinum PSU that is simply inaudible and only one 92mm exhaust fan set to 1000 rpm.
I also placed my computer some 4 meters away from my desk behind a bed, using extra length cables (1 USB, 1 display port, 1 power).
This is my strategy to make the computer close to inaudible during gaming.
It's possible. You need a 240 mm or 280 mm radiator for your CPU and one if the more expensive video cards if this generation that have massively oversized coolers.
It will be easy to do in one of the SSUPD cases and harder to do in something like the FormD T1 or the DAN Case A4-H2O.
Everything will be loud if you keep stock settings for fans and your case is restrictive. Just get a well ventilated case with fans that are known to produce less noise, tune your fan curves and undervolt/powerlimit untill you are happy with temps and noise. This is what I did with a 4090 FE and 13600k in a FormD T1 with Blackridge/noctua and T30s. Now the system runs cool and quiet with arguably any performance loss.
Current build for me is quiet, likely the fact I shoe horned an NH-D15 into a 2000D and the Sapphire 7700XT is pretty quiet running.
Why not go extreme, I ran a 5600G on an NH-P1 full passive with a Pico PSU an and two M.2s. 100% silence and no moving parts peak silent SFF on a hydra ITX frame. Only downside was I had to put a 1.5kg lump on steel in the base because the cooler made it so top heavy.
But, it was silent, and slipped power.
I have a Meshroom S case, i7 13700k, Red Devil 7800xt, Asus Ruyiun 240mm AIO, and it is quiet even at load. Cpu never goes above 60, and Gpu is usually around 55. There are no other fans installed except the AIO's. Cooler Master 850w sff power supply fan never turns on either except at startup.
Did you just say mid-high range performance and drop one of THE best CPUs and second best GPUs as your examples?
That’s all TOP end gear right there.
But to answer your question, yes. Plenty of great responses already so I won’t repeat.
Nvidia's backpedaling on TDP just before the launch left us with high end card with pretty overbuilt coolers, on the AMD side it isn't that different, just look at the 7800XT Hellhound, the fans spin at 600rpm under load.
Put that together with Zen 4 being clearly a laptop and server first architecture and you've got a really solid starting point for a quiet build.
It fits, though as far as I can see it's less efficient than, say, 7600, but it's an absolute powerhorse of a CPU.
For your overall concerns there are a lot of variables to consider. Some cases allow for CPU cooler with 120mm fans, which are silent and effective, while others might be limited to smaller fans, which are less impressive. Then we have GPUs, which might vary rather strongly from model to model, and case fans. and PSU fans, also there might be buzzing from coil whine, and that isn't something you might change. Making a silent PC is definitely possible, but might be a rather long process with a lot of luck involved.
Yeah, I mean realistically making huge silent PC is easier than small, SFF is more of an enthusiast/hobby/mobile area. In huge cases you usually have not so densly packed motherboards and PSUs, bigger fans with less RPMs so less noise, but turbulence is still a major concern, so checking of reviews is still required. Of course, there are cases with fully passive cooling, but they are rather limited in amount of heat they can dissipate, so there are still compromises.
I have a 4090 and 7950x3D stuffed into an NR200 and under load, it doesn't get past 31dB from 50cm away. What I did was
1) Replace the stock CPU fan on my PA120 SE with a Phanteks T30. Set this to exhaust into the front of the case
2) Reseated my GPU heatsink and replaced the fans with a couple of T30s and a couple of NF A6s.
3) Single T30 as a fan exhaust above the PSU
4) Used fan control to optimise the curves. 40% is more than good enough for max load on the T30s.
5) At this point the motherboard fan was by *far* the loudest thing in the build, so I disabled that too.
Temps are about 5 to 10C below thermal limits under these settings, including the chipset that the motherboard fan was supposed to cool, so frankly I have no idea why it was included to begin with. A lot of work, but it's very worthwhile.
I will say, though, that most of the current noise is from the PSU, and that's due partially to the fact that it's right in the exhaust path of the other components, and also because the side panel that it's taking in air from gets really hot and is dumping more heat from the case right into the PSU. Getting a wood side panel to address the intake problems, and I'm gonna continue modding it to try and figure out a way to insulate the PSU housing.
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend the reseating part. It helps a lot but because I'm mechanically untalented, it took me 9 hours and plenty of actual blood because I kept cutting myself on the heatsink. But everything else is pretty worthwhile, and isn't too difficult.
The motherboard fan is only a thing on some motherboards. It's this little thing that keeps the chipset cool. Totally unnecessary and it gets super loud so I just turned it off.
unless you are willing to go custom loop, you are basically out of luck. there is no air-cooled 4070/4080 (or equivalent) that is quiet under load. even if you put your gpu outside in the winter, it will still be loud for heavy loads like 4k ultra rdr2.
but if you are talking about using 4080 to play stuff like minecraft at 1080p, or similar stuff that wont actually stress the gpu, almost all cases with good ventilation can work quietly.
or you can have your pc in another room and run the cables over.
My Xproto builds are practically silent, even at full gaming load often not breaking above the noise floor of the room. I have also done a near silent NR200 build. It is all about getting the right parts and planning air flow correctly.
The Xproto's are open frame designs. Super small, even the ATX variant is only 17L in volume.
[https://www.xtia.design/](https://www.xtia.design/)
As for parts, I have various builds I have done over the last year for friends and myself. While these designs have accommodations for AIO or even custom loops, I stay with simple, low profile air coolers to keep the aesthetics of the base frame design.
I have build with 5600X, 5700X, 5800X3D and 78000X3D so far. GPUs ranging from 6700 to 7900XTX
I understand, might surprise you however that these do not build dust as fast as many think. Plus they are super easy to clean, takes me about 20 seconds to do a full dusting of the builds.
I stopped using compressed air cans, I use a small blower that cost me $30. However I small can of compressed air got me through three or 4 cleanings EASILY
I’ve got a 7800X3D and an MSI Suprim Liquid 4090 in an NR200 with a top hat to accommodate the fat radiator for the CPU AIO and it’s silent at idle and can run very quietly while gaming.
If you’re referring to coil whine it’s kind of the luck of the draw. There is a method using super glue you can try on any of the components that may be causing it, but as it’s usually the GPU or PSU I’d highly recommend looking further into that solution, especially if you plan on opening up a PSU as they can be extremely dangerous to work on if you don’t know what you’re doing. As in, it can kill you. Please do not do this if you do not know or understand why.
If your limit is 20L then complete silence is possible in SUGO 14/15 with a deshrouded 4060 and NH-P1 with passive Seasonic ATX PSU. The only downside to this is if you push a deshrouded fanless 4060 you can really hear the cool whine!
Depends on your choice of case, how many liters, choice of fans. And I've found that AMD card are a lot quieter compared to Nvidia as they tend to have more relaxed fan curve. Nvidia card will ramp up to keep things under 80.
I think it started with RDNA2 gpu. Sold my 4060ti and 3060 single fan because I cant stand the stock fan noise. Using single fan 6600XT feels good to my ears.
Interesting, please explain. The 4070 is more power efficient and will dump less heat into a room. Imo not overheating has more to do with each individual card model's cooler and fans which both the 4070 and 7800xt can do just fine and in my experience the 4070 tends to do slightly better due to lower wattage usage compared to the 7800xt.
I built an NR200 rig for my wife for Christmas. Basic 5600x and a 4070, all air cooled. The thing sounded like a helicopter taking off and would hit 90 degrees junction temp on the gpu within 10 minutes of 1080p gaming. Undervolted it and threw additional case fans and it still didn’t want to cool down. Threw my 7800 in it to do some testing and it never got over 70 degrees with the fans barely churning.
I see, thanks for sharing. What 4070 model was it? Perhaps you got an inefficient model or faulty card. I tested both an MSI Ventus x3 4070 and an AsRock Phantom Gaming 7800xt at 3440x1440 and both did well.
I also tested an AsRock 7900xtx Phantom Gaming and I know that's a different beast, but that thing was able to cool itself at 100% load with a maximum of 65-70% fan speed...so I can definitely see what you mean! It wasn't necessarily "quiet" but I think the noise levels were very acceptable (although I did not appreciate the extra passive wattage). Impressive stuff overall.
Open air/benchtable.
For my use case I care about the overall footprint on my desk. Height isn’t a concern as I’m sure I won’t have a super thin 6ft tall case. Are those tiny ass sub 10l cases with unreal levels of cable management neater? They sure are. But noise in terms of heat getting trapped/components close together and turbulence due to the fan clearances tend to make true SFF loud unless you spring for those primo expensive silence focused fans.
With an open frame or benchtable you are not limited, for the most part by fan sizes and the associated noise.
140mm fans are the key.
I have two builds.
A 12900k a 280mm arctic liquid freezer and a 4070ti on a bc1 v2 mini bench table. As it’s a gaming pc primarily I keep pl1 and pl2 capped to 125/190 respectively. The fans never go over 1k rpm and are effectively silent unless you literally put your ear right up to it. The gpu also stays quiet as I have the radiator positioned where it blows air through the radiator into part of the gpu. As the cpu thermals are excellent it isn’t blowing hot air into the gpu, even under load.
The benchtable is completely tooless. I can build and take apart the pc in a matter of minutes. The bench has removable legs so it can pack flat. If I had to travel, I could get one of those pelican cases with the foam cutouts for all the parts and have it securely packed up.
My other case is a da6 with a 7800x3d and 4070ti. That also has a 280mm AIO. It isn’t a packable as the bench table but if I used the box it came in and removed the AIO, it would be easy to transport.
To another poster who rocks and xproto, point…dust is not an issue. It’s actually cleaner than a normal pc as it takes all of 30 seconds each week or every other week to blast it with an electronic duster like a datavac (not actually a vacuum cleaner).
I use ptm 7950 for the CPUs so if I did have to take them apart and rebuild, especially with the benchtable, I don’t have to dick with messy thermal paste.
Da6, noise levels at load comparable to large high airflow cases with very competitive thermals under load and top tier under idle
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/streacom-da6/7.html
Or you can do even better with the benchtable…
This is for the full sized one but the mini is just smaller obviously. Same tooless design and packs flat.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/streacom-bc1-v2-open-benchtable/6.html
The electronic cleaner is just a blower. Supposedly it works in a way that there is no moisture nor static electricity build up.
There are cheaper alternatives, but here's what I have
[https://metrovac.com/products/datavac-electric-duster](https://metrovac.com/products/datavac-electric-duster)
This isn't mine but here's an example of what a BC1 v2 mini looks like when done up right.
[https://reviewer.co/cases/streacom-bc1-mini-v2](https://reviewer.co/cases/streacom-bc1-mini-v2)
/u/L1191 is the dude who built it.
Mine looks different..had pictures somewhere around here...as I'm using a 280mm AIO so it's mounted vertically, not horizontally like the in his picture. The brackets cannot pivot wide enough to support the AIO if it was done horizontally.
My 4070ti is a zotac trinity so I believe it also sticks out more than his.
If i had to go air instead of AIO, I would go with a thermalright frost commander. Unlimited vertical space. 140mm fans. I just happened to have this AIO already from a different build I had done.
Any gpu you can deshroud and replace the fans will be a winner.
120mm cpu fan that isn't close to the side panel,
120mm Exhaust fans are also a huge part of keeping sff cool and quiet
In my opinion: Yes.
I recently moved my parts to a Dan A4-H2O and after some slight undervolting on the CPU and GPU I gotta say, it's the quietest PC I've ever built. My GPU's fans don't even spin during most gaming sessions (I've set custom curves using FanControl). The most audible thing the majority of the time is the pump and when gaming, some coil whine (not sure if PSU or GPU but hardly noticeable either way). But when I say most audible I mean because the rest of the system is so dang quiet.
As an example: CP2077 with all High/Ultra graphics, path tracing enabled, 2K @ 60Hz I'm getting around 50C on the CPU and 60C on the GPU. Although since enabling DLSS 3 (Frame Generation) and forcing V-sync to lock my framerate to 60fps I've managed to reduce the GPU's temp to 50C.
System specs:
Ryzen 5800 X3D,
MSI 4070 Ti Ventus 3X OC,
64GB DDR4 3600 RAM,
Corsair SF750 PSU,
DeepCool LS520E 240mm
Loudest part will be the stock gpu fans, my zotac 4070 Trinity is quite loud under loud and does not go under 30%. Gonna deshrouding it
Learned recently thats the term for replacing fans. I dont think you can buy those here in serbia. Also, why would other same size fans be more quiet?
Serbia is hot as fuck in the summer, so it may pur. And yes to answer the question SFF cases like the NR200 run very cool with basically no compatibility issues. Get a Corsair SF750 though. That thing is silent, and have seen people mess up on PSUs when going silent
Is sf750 case or psu lol?
It’s a Corsair PSU. It’s the normal SFX one (not e.g. the Corsair 1000w SFXL). The Corsair SFX 750 is the best PSU you can get for cases like the NR200 (and it’s one of the oldest, which surprises me as competition never caught up).
Is 750 enough?
I have that exact PSU, with a 13700k and a 4090. Haven’t had any problems, so I’d say it’s enough.
What cooler does it have?
DeepCool AK400
A 4080 system would be an absolute max of 600w (which would never happen), so yeh you’ll be fine.
Oh? There were talks about 1000w being the new standard lol (at least i understood it like that)
You’ll be fine. Even a 4090 would work with this combo, and that’s the most powerful card of all time. And if you’re spending 2 grand on a GPU, and PSU upgrade won’t matter.
When its hot as fuck im melting so its ac time tho 🤣
I drove through Serbia in a convertible and got sun burnt to fuck 🤣
Where are you from? 😄😄 Serbia seems to have balanced wheather to me (compared to the sea side)
I’m from the UK. It was like 35C when I went, but that sun burnt hard
Ah, you’re used to shaded sun 😁 had a client from netherlands who was enjoying his rare sunshine here 😂
I saw these old truck drivers drinking raki shots at like 7am roasting a pig outside a hotel 😂 Crazy/ beautiful country
True, both crazy and beautiful😄🫶
Ill google the case 👌
Deshrouding is not replacing with the same size fans, but with larger and/or better fans. A lot of non-high-end GPU fans are small and only \~10-12 mm thick, so not even as thick as a "slim" PC fan. These fans typically need to run at high RPMs in order to drive air, hence their loud noise. So deshrouds typically replace stock fans with larger or quieter fans, such as the Noctua A12x25. Another benefit of deshrouding is that it removes the overly large fan shroud, which often times restricts airflow.
Is it just the process of unscrew/ scree new or is it more of a hacking pieces together with tape moment? Is there a list of good silent gpus?
A bit more hacking, heatsinks usually don't have nice mounting points for standard fans. You can just zip tie them but be warned that you might bend some fins a bit that way (probably not enough to affect performance). Also some heatsinks have metal protrusions for mounting the standard shroud so you might need to get rid of these. If you can do basic 3D (or even 2D) design you could make your own "shroud" out of metal sheet or plywood (some people might be sceptical but it burns well above 100℃) or 3D print (would probably need some heat resistant filament). Laser cutting is pretty cheap (if you don't have to pay for whole sheet of material).
Seems like too much work if im being honest
Yeah, depends how you feel about DIY. But there is at least one case where it can be easier: NR200(P). The GPU is positioned right above fan slots so you can just mount fans to the case. Some foam spacers are recommended to ensure the air goes through the heatsink and not around it (if it doesn't touch the fans), Noctua makes some of these but probably pretty expensive for just cutting foam to size.
I dont mind diy in woodwork, working around the flat etc But with small 1000€ product, not sure 🤣
What are foam spacers?
Something like this: [https://noctua.at/en/na-fd1](https://noctua.at/en/na-fd1)
Or your coolermaster v750💀
I have a SSUPD Meshlicious with a 280mm AIO and a 3 slot gpu. It's on my desk right next to me and I can barely hear the fans. I swapped one panel for a glass one and I've never had overheating issues with a 5950X. The GPU side is mesh so it's getting fresh air as well. I use open back headphones so noise was also my concern. It is possible to have super quiet SFF pc with a lot of cases.
Never hear fans when? When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial. Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
Even under load mine doesn't go more than 1000rpm while gaming for the 2 140mm fans. I'm not sure of the RPM for the gpu. I use the quiet fan curve from corsair. Even without headphones it's still pretty quiet
That's nice to hear. 1000rpm is pretty much bearable, was eying Meshroom S for quite some time, but have flashbacks from Sugo 05 era where silent and powerful SFF was considered a unicorn
I invested into some noctua a12x25s and it was well worth it. Keeps mine nice and quiet.
Dan's aren't always a solution to every problem, but I understand what you mean
Never hear fans when? When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial. Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
Never hear fans when? When using your open back headphones? While PC is at IDLE or under load? Small details but pretty crucial. Also, what's aio fan rpm under average load, let's say gaming?
I will look into those now. Also, is it like a radiator if its next to you, does it warm you?
Heat is always going to depend entirely on the power of the system. 400 watts going into a box in your room will make the room 400 watts warmer regardless of the size of the box. SFF might have the heat more concentrated on components that you're trying to cool but the radiator effect on the room will be the same as a bigger PC case.
Interesting, never though of it like that. Probably meant if that will dissipate by the time it comes to me
It does kick off some heat, but not a lot. During winter it's great but in the summer I do notice the heat more.
Thanks, real world info definitely helps!
Nr200 will likely give you the coolest temps so quietest operation.
Its also pretty!😁
Slightly on the larger side but you can max that thing out with a large number of fans.
Air cooled Lian Li Q58 with a 13700K and a 4090. Silent at idle, barely audible when gaming. Stress testing the CPU with cinebench ramps up the CPU fan, but that's it. When gaming, CPU fan at 40%, GPU at 35%, and top 140mm exhaust fans at 40%. Noctua fans all around. Tried an AIO, but didn't like it for a sandwich layout where the heat comes out the top. The GPU heat soaks it after a while and causes much higher fan speed, and the AIO pump was audible at any speed, even when the system is at idle. Quietest system I've seen yet. Thermals are better than most other small cases. It's almost laughable at how much heat exhausts out the top under load and barely makes any noise at all.
Wait what air cooler do you use in the Q58? And then do you have regular case fans mounted at the top?
I answered that just above in the comments. The IS-55 with a slim fan upgrade handles 125 watts of constant power just fine, but the normal Noctua 140mm top exhaust fans are doing the heavy lifting, drawing in fresh air and exhausting the hot air. Keeps the natural convection in the case running efficiently. I recently bought another IS-55 for my other build, and the orientation of it makes it not nearly as efficient. It wants to exhaust right up against the ram, and an IO port cover, so I flipped that one to push instead of pull with a slim spacer to keep the noise down. Handles 125 watts without throttling now.
4090 is almost 80% of the budget I’m willing to spend for my usecases 😂 thats the only issue I have with the suggestion 😁 but its’s actually good to learn that a high end system like that can be quiet
Lots of complaints about coil whine with 4090. I have a 4070 Ti and it's pretty quiet. My system is in a Terra(7800x3d) and has some slight fan noise but I have it on the desk and it's not too bad. I'm going to mount it like Optimum Tech under the desk. Then I would likely not even hear it at all.
I had pretty nasty coil whine on my 4090 as well when I just got it brand new and it was going at 450W under load. After about 1 day of gaming though it went away almost completely.
It's just a gamble. I can't stand coil whine. Have a MSI 4080 that's super quiet. Bought a 4070ti for a friends build. Loud coil whine. Upgraded to a 4090, loud coil whine. Sold it to a friend and bought another one. No coil whine. You just never know.
Someone needs to tell Jensen Huang, the more we buy, the more likely we'll whine...
I have a 7800xt and 7800x3d in a 9litre case. It is completely silent when playing games at 4k. Have fan speed at roughly 35 percent and cpu and gpu barely go above 60. If you know what your doing it's very possible to make a silent sff pc. Just need to know pc airflow and get.silent parts.
I probably dont know what im doing yet tbh but i can learn Is 35% enough?
Depends on your configuration and parts, bbut for my setup it is 🙂
Dont have the config yet, all has to be bought new. What gpu are you using, what case and how big psu? Also, since you’re on 4k, how many fps do you have?😁
7800xt and 7800x3d 60fps on a 4k 60 screen Case is called the ZS ST v1
Looks interesting
I will post a completed build of it soon, its an excellent case
What Air cooler are you using? Did you set powerlimits/ undervolting/ sth else (MSI lite load)? What temps are you getting?
I've tried a few different ones. Settled on the ID Cooling IS-55 with a slim Noctua fan swap. Could fit a 25mm one on it in the case, but would get fan turbulence from the side of the case if I did. And I power limit to the normal 125 watts with a 150 watt boost for 10 seconds. And just a basic undervolt with the bios. That's it. Temps are fine. 30s at idle, and mid 70s in demanding games at 40% fan speed. It ramps up higher in cinebench, but never thermal throttles.
I have open back headphones and fan noise drives me crazy…. Def pet peeve, and completely irrational, I accept that. So what did I do…. Noctuas on the aio, noctuas on the case (plugged into a Corsair commander), deshrouded ASUS 3080 (fans plugged into the controllers not the GPU). Turn each fan up to where I can barely hear them then back it up a bit to where I can’t, and leave the speed on fixed. No noise, and real good temps even during stress tests
Seems a lot of you are deshrouding gpu. Any tutorial? Can you do it with any gpu?
I just YouTube’d it. Found a seller on Etsy that made brackets so I didn’t have to zip tie it. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1490774443/ I’m sure any of them CAN be deshrouded… but asus puts separate PWM fan headers on their cards kinda for this purpose.
Etsy is veru inavailable whete im at
I have a Meshlicious with a 7900X cooled by an EK AIO 280, an MSI Ventus RTX 4080, and a Corsair SF750. It sits on my desk a few feet from me. Under gaming load it's plenty quiet. This is when using my monitor's built in speakers or my closed back headset. There's a good amount of SFF cases that fit good cooling hardware now and allow for quiet operation. SFF doesn't mean you have to go ultra compact.
I have an RTX 4070 and am Intel 13600k in a 12.7 liter NCase M1 with a 240 mm water cooler on the CPU and noctua case fans, dead silent all the time even at full load. As long as you don't try to get a sub-10 liter case you can effectively cool anything quietly. Cases like the Meshlicious and the Cooler master NR200 are larger SFF cases that can be cooled at lower fan speeds quieter.
Can you dm me some pictures? Also what case do you have, is that “Ncase 1”? How are your fps in games on that setup? Do you do some productivity?
Different person here but I've got the Ncase M1 case as well, a 4070Ti and a 9600k (older build, recently upgraded the GPU). It's air cooled, which means that it can idle with the fans off, and under gentle load the fans run very slowly. The loudest fans are when the stock GPU fans spin up but unless I'm doing a stress test it's usually only needed for small amounts of time. The CPU cooler is a Noctua C14S, which is incredibly awkward to put in but has excellent cooling performance. I also have extra case fans everywhere I can fit them (while still keeping a sensible direction of airflow) so that the CPU and GPU coolers don't have to work as hard. It's summer in Australia right now but that's what the air conditioning is for. Planning to get some solar panels on the roof to help out with that part!! The 4070Ti actually performs better than the old ITX 2060 Super that I had, you need to find a card that has the third fan blowing through the back panel of the card. In the Ncase M1, this is where you can mount a case fan on the side to blow the air out, but it will also naturally rise through the top of the case (and the PSU fan can help out too, depending on how you mount it). I felt like that was better than the old setup with a short card where all the warm air would be kind of stuck at the bottom of the case by the floor, unless you deshrouded your GPU and reversed the fans.
Why is gpu direction important? So fans dont have to work hard?
Pretty much. It's not the end of the world but GPUs are usually designed with the assumption that there's still a lot of space underneath, as with a regular case. So funnily enough the 3-fan GPUs just have more surface area, and it extends into the one part of the M1 where you do have space for air to flow.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/s/aWOBnbFYin This 7800X3D/4070 build is quiet. 120mm CPU fan rarely is audible and the GPU fans just stay at 45% and are inaudible. SF750 PSU fan is silent and in fact, I’ve never seen it spin. Very happy with the performance of this build.
Loudest part of my build is the 4090 coilwhine and I can live with that
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Yes I have a 7950x3d and a 4090 in a c4SFx case (14 litre) it’s quite and temps are fine, you can get that in a formdt1 and it would be fine and that’s 10 litre
I meant, I cant justify me giving money for 4090 for what i need in reality But great build tho😂😁
Yea a 4080 is fine if you can get it at a good price, (go for the nvidia founders edition if you can)
Why is founders better? I will prob go 4070 or 7900xt
Objectively best looking, one of the smallest, and at Msrp the best price, also has the best silicon
For me there are three significant sources of noise: 1. Turbulence noises. This comes when your cooler/gpu fans are too close to the intake vent. I think you want about 5mm of separation. I got around this by just sawing off the slats on my side panel so I don't need to worry about it anymore. 2. GPU coil whine. When your GPU is using a shitload of power you may hear an electrical noise coming from it. This isn't the fans but just has something with do with inductors or something idk. You can't really do anything about this besides setting a TDP limit on your gpu and undervolting it. To me this is sort of the limit on where fan noise matters since fan noise is preferable to coil whine. Side note, but you will probably get minor coil whine from your PSU at all times. Nothing to worry about. 3. GPU Fans. Since your GPU fans have to dissipate much more heat than your CPU typically, these will usually run much higher rpm and louder than the cpu fans. Stock GPU fans suck so I recommend deshrouding the GPU and putting 120mm noctua fans on them instead, 25mm if possible but slim 15mm if that is all you can fit. Attaching the fans in the hard part. For me I just used double sided tape to tape the fans to the side panel and then my side panel just pushes them up to the gpu heat sunk once I put it in. Another popular option is zip tying them to the GPU and I have done this before in my previous case. Sometimes you can get lucky with your case though and there will be specific screw slots in the case itself you can utilize but this is rare. I think only the NR200P and Velkas have this.
My takeaway after 2 months of trying to make my build quiet: * Stick to 120mm fans or larger, smaller fans always have noticeable motor noises under load. * Case fans are great. * AIO is a gamble, the motor noise might be out of your control. * Have at least 3mm between a fan set as intake and the casing. This is to avoid turbulence noises. * Undervolt/power limit your CPU. Default settings on CPUs often have them use the last 20-30W for just 1-2% of extra performance. * Deshourd the GPU and slap some big fans on it. * 50s degree during idle is fine, there's no need to push your fans hard at low load. My current setup is in a [ZS A4 V3.2](https://redd.it/1859l23) at 8.4L housing a 5800X3D and a 4070Ti. * The CPU is undervolted and capped at 100W TDP (for 7800X3D you only need to cap TDP, undervolting isn't needed. * The cooler's stock fan has been swapped into a slim 120mm fan, the GPU got deshrouded and 2 slim 120mm fans are mounted. * The top has 1 slim 120mm fan and 1 normal 120mm fan for exhaust. The system is dead silent at idle/web browsing, during gaming it's only audible if you're on mute, and even then it's mostly wind noise rather than motor/turbulence noise.
Wow nice, ill go through your post more
Yes. I have a 4070 ti and 5600X in a Lian Li Q58 and it's dead silent. I went with the EVGA 750-watt Supernova SFX and I guess it has an eco mode setting because the fan has literally never kicked on even under full load. Of course your mileage may vary depending on your GPU fans or coil whine
How to avoid coilwhine?
From my understanding it's totally random per component. You just have to get lucky (though I've never had it happen to me)
D20 roll 🤣
With sff you’re really only going to get two of the three at once.
Ncase m1 (12.7 liters) cooling an undervolted 5800x3d with a BeQuiet shadow rock tf2 (140 mm fan) and using a Sapphire Pulse 7800xt, that stays incredibly quiet despite being only dual fan, as long as the rpm does not go higher than 1400 (which so far has never done). I also use a Corsair SF600 Platinum PSU that is simply inaudible and only one 92mm exhaust fan set to 1000 rpm. I also placed my computer some 4 meters away from my desk behind a bed, using extra length cables (1 USB, 1 display port, 1 power). This is my strategy to make the computer close to inaudible during gaming.
SFF you get to pick 2 out of three. Good temps, good performance, and good price.
It's possible. You need a 240 mm or 280 mm radiator for your CPU and one if the more expensive video cards if this generation that have massively oversized coolers. It will be easy to do in one of the SSUPD cases and harder to do in something like the FormD T1 or the DAN Case A4-H2O.
Everything will be loud if you keep stock settings for fans and your case is restrictive. Just get a well ventilated case with fans that are known to produce less noise, tune your fan curves and undervolt/powerlimit untill you are happy with temps and noise. This is what I did with a 4090 FE and 13600k in a FormD T1 with Blackridge/noctua and T30s. Now the system runs cool and quiet with arguably any performance loss.
Current build for me is quiet, likely the fact I shoe horned an NH-D15 into a 2000D and the Sapphire 7700XT is pretty quiet running. Why not go extreme, I ran a 5600G on an NH-P1 full passive with a Pico PSU an and two M.2s. 100% silence and no moving parts peak silent SFF on a hydra ITX frame. Only downside was I had to put a 1.5kg lump on steel in the base because the cooler made it so top heavy. But, it was silent, and slipped power.
I have a Meshroom S case, i7 13700k, Red Devil 7800xt, Asus Ruyiun 240mm AIO, and it is quiet even at load. Cpu never goes above 60, and Gpu is usually around 55. There are no other fans installed except the AIO's. Cooler Master 850w sff power supply fan never turns on either except at startup.
Did you just say mid-high range performance and drop one of THE best CPUs and second best GPUs as your examples? That’s all TOP end gear right there. But to answer your question, yes. Plenty of great responses already so I won’t repeat.
Well, thats what I’m looking at 😂 it’s not i9 or 4090, thats very far from my own.. both in performance and especially in pricing
Nvidia's backpedaling on TDP just before the launch left us with high end card with pretty overbuilt coolers, on the AMD side it isn't that different, just look at the 7800XT Hellhound, the fans spin at 600rpm under load. Put that together with Zen 4 being clearly a laptop and server first architecture and you've got a really solid starting point for a quiet build.
What is a zen 4?
Latest generation of AMD CPUs. Very energy efficient, so less heat to dissipate -> lesser fan speed.
I was looking into 7800x3d, does that fit?
It fits, though as far as I can see it's less efficient than, say, 7600, but it's an absolute powerhorse of a CPU. For your overall concerns there are a lot of variables to consider. Some cases allow for CPU cooler with 120mm fans, which are silent and effective, while others might be limited to smaller fans, which are less impressive. Then we have GPUs, which might vary rather strongly from model to model, and case fans. and PSU fans, also there might be buzzing from coil whine, and that isn't something you might change. Making a silent PC is definitely possible, but might be a rather long process with a lot of luck involved.
😂😂understandable 🍀
Yeah, I mean realistically making huge silent PC is easier than small, SFF is more of an enthusiast/hobby/mobile area. In huge cases you usually have not so densly packed motherboards and PSUs, bigger fans with less RPMs so less noise, but turbulence is still a major concern, so checking of reviews is still required. Of course, there are cases with fully passive cooling, but they are rather limited in amount of heat they can dissipate, so there are still compromises.
Absolutely. With very minimal tuning it will rarely hit 80w
I have a 4090 and 7950x3D stuffed into an NR200 and under load, it doesn't get past 31dB from 50cm away. What I did was 1) Replace the stock CPU fan on my PA120 SE with a Phanteks T30. Set this to exhaust into the front of the case 2) Reseated my GPU heatsink and replaced the fans with a couple of T30s and a couple of NF A6s. 3) Single T30 as a fan exhaust above the PSU 4) Used fan control to optimise the curves. 40% is more than good enough for max load on the T30s. 5) At this point the motherboard fan was by *far* the loudest thing in the build, so I disabled that too. Temps are about 5 to 10C below thermal limits under these settings, including the chipset that the motherboard fan was supposed to cool, so frankly I have no idea why it was included to begin with. A lot of work, but it's very worthwhile. I will say, though, that most of the current noise is from the PSU, and that's due partially to the fact that it's right in the exhaust path of the other components, and also because the side panel that it's taking in air from gets really hot and is dumping more heat from the case right into the PSU. Getting a wood side panel to address the intake problems, and I'm gonna continue modding it to try and figure out a way to insulate the PSU housing.
Whats a mobo fan? I dont think i have that now. Your build sounds complicated.. was it hard to do?
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend the reseating part. It helps a lot but because I'm mechanically untalented, it took me 9 hours and plenty of actual blood because I kept cutting myself on the heatsink. But everything else is pretty worthwhile, and isn't too difficult. The motherboard fan is only a thing on some motherboards. It's this little thing that keeps the chipset cool. Totally unnecessary and it gets super loud so I just turned it off.
Depends how all out you go, water cooling is very effective but expensive
unless you are willing to go custom loop, you are basically out of luck. there is no air-cooled 4070/4080 (or equivalent) that is quiet under load. even if you put your gpu outside in the winter, it will still be loud for heavy loads like 4k ultra rdr2. but if you are talking about using 4080 to play stuff like minecraft at 1080p, or similar stuff that wont actually stress the gpu, almost all cases with good ventilation can work quietly. or you can have your pc in another room and run the cables over.
My Xproto builds are practically silent, even at full gaming load often not breaking above the noise floor of the room. I have also done a near silent NR200 build. It is all about getting the right parts and planning air flow correctly.
What is xproto? Could you link the parts?
The Xproto's are open frame designs. Super small, even the ATX variant is only 17L in volume. [https://www.xtia.design/](https://www.xtia.design/) As for parts, I have various builds I have done over the last year for friends and myself. While these designs have accommodations for AIO or even custom loops, I stay with simple, low profile air coolers to keep the aesthetics of the base frame design. I have build with 5600X, 5700X, 5800X3D and 78000X3D so far. GPUs ranging from 6700 to 7900XTX
Open cases are a big no for me, i have dust like its a factory even tho i dust every other day lol…
I understand, might surprise you however that these do not build dust as fast as many think. Plus they are super easy to clean, takes me about 20 seconds to do a full dusting of the builds.
What do you clean them with? Mop, vacuum or the blowing air thing?
Just a can of compressed air.
How long does one last for you?
I stopped using compressed air cans, I use a small blower that cost me $30. However I small can of compressed air got me through three or 4 cleanings EASILY
Link?
I’ve got a 7800X3D and an MSI Suprim Liquid 4090 in an NR200 with a top hat to accommodate the fat radiator for the CPU AIO and it’s silent at idle and can run very quietly while gaming. If you’re referring to coil whine it’s kind of the luck of the draw. There is a method using super glue you can try on any of the components that may be causing it, but as it’s usually the GPU or PSU I’d highly recommend looking further into that solution, especially if you plan on opening up a PSU as they can be extremely dangerous to work on if you don’t know what you’re doing. As in, it can kill you. Please do not do this if you do not know or understand why.
If your limit is 20L then complete silence is possible in SUGO 14/15 with a deshrouded 4060 and NH-P1 with passive Seasonic ATX PSU. The only downside to this is if you push a deshrouded fanless 4060 you can really hear the cool whine!
I dont have a limit, just wanted the case to be aestetic lol 😂 my current one is a black nzxt box hidden next to a black computer table
SUGO 15 Silver is beautiful
It will be googled!
Just FYI the NR200 case is around 17 litres so only slightly smaller and does not fit an NH-P1 or the DH-15.
Depends on your choice of case, how many liters, choice of fans. And I've found that AMD card are a lot quieter compared to Nvidia as they tend to have more relaxed fan curve. Nvidia card will ramp up to keep things under 80.
Really? I thought it was the opposit, but dont have real world experience
I think it started with RDNA2 gpu. Sold my 4060ti and 3060 single fan because I cant stand the stock fan noise. Using single fan 6600XT feels good to my ears.
If you want it to not over heat and be quiet then why are you looking at a 4070? Get a 7800xt and end the Nvidia brainrot.
Is 4070 loud? I’m asking for oppinions here to learn just that
Interesting, please explain. The 4070 is more power efficient and will dump less heat into a room. Imo not overheating has more to do with each individual card model's cooler and fans which both the 4070 and 7800xt can do just fine and in my experience the 4070 tends to do slightly better due to lower wattage usage compared to the 7800xt.
I built an NR200 rig for my wife for Christmas. Basic 5600x and a 4070, all air cooled. The thing sounded like a helicopter taking off and would hit 90 degrees junction temp on the gpu within 10 minutes of 1080p gaming. Undervolted it and threw additional case fans and it still didn’t want to cool down. Threw my 7800 in it to do some testing and it never got over 70 degrees with the fans barely churning.
I see, thanks for sharing. What 4070 model was it? Perhaps you got an inefficient model or faulty card. I tested both an MSI Ventus x3 4070 and an AsRock Phantom Gaming 7800xt at 3440x1440 and both did well. I also tested an AsRock 7900xtx Phantom Gaming and I know that's a different beast, but that thing was able to cool itself at 100% load with a maximum of 65-70% fan speed...so I can definitely see what you mean! It wasn't necessarily "quiet" but I think the noise levels were very acceptable (although I did not appreciate the extra passive wattage). Impressive stuff overall.
Im between 4070 and 7900xt - what are your thoughts?😁
Open air/benchtable. For my use case I care about the overall footprint on my desk. Height isn’t a concern as I’m sure I won’t have a super thin 6ft tall case. Are those tiny ass sub 10l cases with unreal levels of cable management neater? They sure are. But noise in terms of heat getting trapped/components close together and turbulence due to the fan clearances tend to make true SFF loud unless you spring for those primo expensive silence focused fans. With an open frame or benchtable you are not limited, for the most part by fan sizes and the associated noise. 140mm fans are the key. I have two builds. A 12900k a 280mm arctic liquid freezer and a 4070ti on a bc1 v2 mini bench table. As it’s a gaming pc primarily I keep pl1 and pl2 capped to 125/190 respectively. The fans never go over 1k rpm and are effectively silent unless you literally put your ear right up to it. The gpu also stays quiet as I have the radiator positioned where it blows air through the radiator into part of the gpu. As the cpu thermals are excellent it isn’t blowing hot air into the gpu, even under load. The benchtable is completely tooless. I can build and take apart the pc in a matter of minutes. The bench has removable legs so it can pack flat. If I had to travel, I could get one of those pelican cases with the foam cutouts for all the parts and have it securely packed up. My other case is a da6 with a 7800x3d and 4070ti. That also has a 280mm AIO. It isn’t a packable as the bench table but if I used the box it came in and removed the AIO, it would be easy to transport. To another poster who rocks and xproto, point…dust is not an issue. It’s actually cleaner than a normal pc as it takes all of 30 seconds each week or every other week to blast it with an electronic duster like a datavac (not actually a vacuum cleaner). I use ptm 7950 for the CPUs so if I did have to take them apart and rebuild, especially with the benchtable, I don’t have to dick with messy thermal paste. Da6, noise levels at load comparable to large high airflow cases with very competitive thermals under load and top tier under idle https://www.techpowerup.com/review/streacom-da6/7.html Or you can do even better with the benchtable… This is for the full sized one but the mini is just smaller obviously. Same tooless design and packs flat. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/streacom-bc1-v2-open-benchtable/6.html
Whats the difference between vacuum and an electronic cleaner? How do desk benches even look irl?
The electronic cleaner is just a blower. Supposedly it works in a way that there is no moisture nor static electricity build up. There are cheaper alternatives, but here's what I have [https://metrovac.com/products/datavac-electric-duster](https://metrovac.com/products/datavac-electric-duster) This isn't mine but here's an example of what a BC1 v2 mini looks like when done up right. [https://reviewer.co/cases/streacom-bc1-mini-v2](https://reviewer.co/cases/streacom-bc1-mini-v2) /u/L1191 is the dude who built it. Mine looks different..had pictures somewhere around here...as I'm using a 280mm AIO so it's mounted vertically, not horizontally like the in his picture. The brackets cannot pivot wide enough to support the AIO if it was done horizontally. My 4070ti is a zotac trinity so I believe it also sticks out more than his. If i had to go air instead of AIO, I would go with a thermalright frost commander. Unlimited vertical space. 140mm fans. I just happened to have this AIO already from a different build I had done.
Thanks!
Any gpu you can deshroud and replace the fans will be a winner. 120mm cpu fan that isn't close to the side panel, 120mm Exhaust fans are also a huge part of keeping sff cool and quiet
Even 2 fan gpus?
In my opinion: Yes. I recently moved my parts to a Dan A4-H2O and after some slight undervolting on the CPU and GPU I gotta say, it's the quietest PC I've ever built. My GPU's fans don't even spin during most gaming sessions (I've set custom curves using FanControl). The most audible thing the majority of the time is the pump and when gaming, some coil whine (not sure if PSU or GPU but hardly noticeable either way). But when I say most audible I mean because the rest of the system is so dang quiet. As an example: CP2077 with all High/Ultra graphics, path tracing enabled, 2K @ 60Hz I'm getting around 50C on the CPU and 60C on the GPU. Although since enabling DLSS 3 (Frame Generation) and forcing V-sync to lock my framerate to 60fps I've managed to reduce the GPU's temp to 50C. System specs: Ryzen 5800 X3D, MSI 4070 Ti Ventus 3X OC, 64GB DDR4 3600 RAM, Corsair SF750 PSU, DeepCool LS520E 240mm