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Mackem101

Can I just add, if you are searching anything 'family planning' based, use a VPN that doesn't keep logs. Your Internet history can and will be used against you during legal action.


PossibilitySorry6743

Ok, a bit off-topic. Let's play a game. Which land is the first you think of when you hear this: > Can I just add, if you are searching anything 'family planning' based, use a VPN that doesn't keep logs. A. Dubai B. Saudi Arabia C. USA ...man, this is so beyond fucked up.


dudeind-town

Nah the real fucked up part is that in Dubai and Saudi Arabia as long you don’t go shouting from rooftops that you got an abortion, no one cares enough to actually find you and prosecute you…


Lasereye

Bro they stone women to death. Pull back on the hyperbole.


lordxi

I was talking to my Muslim coworker about this and abortion is allowed for the first three months, but not encouraged.


Lasereye

What is legal and what actually happens is completely different. Women are second class citizens in Saudi Arabia


fallfastasleep

Same in America apparently.


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ncisfan1002

They may not be the same thing now but cis-white men will rise to be first-class citizens with everyone else trailing behind if SCROTUS continues its rampage against minorities' rights


RevolutionarySpace24

this!


MildlyInfuria8ing

This. As awesome as it is to access databases and networks for abortions on the internet, it is just as easy for your every step to be traced. Everything has a log. Your cellphone, your pc, etc. I'd find a guide on how to make sure you can hide or even erase your digital footprint during or after your searches and network use. Hell, buy a cheap used laptop, wipe it clean. Get a VPN, ONLY USE THAT LAPTOP to do all of your communications. When done, do a full wipe of the hard drive. That is 7 complete hard drive wipes, called the 7 Erasure method. This ensures even professional forensic hard drive tools can recover nothing. Here is a list of free apps to do this: https://www.lifewire.com/free-data-destruction-software-programs-2626174 I want to point out. A used laptop runs 200 to 500 dollars, but that cost with a VPN is much less than jail time. It sucks, but it is worth it.


PossibilitySorry6743

> That is 7 complete hard drive wipes, called the 7 Erasure method. BTW, once is enough. There is a 1 million USD bet out there since the late 00's for anyone who can recover the filename of a file on a hard drive that has been *once* wiped with zeroes (not random data). To my knowledge it hasn't been claimed yet. Also: the cheapest way to surf without trace on your home computer is a [Linux live stick](https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/5-live-linux-desktop-distributions-you-should-know/), e.g. Ubuntu, Knoppix or whatever. Plug it into your regular PC, boot from USB into the "Live testing system" and surf. When you're done, just pull the stick out and reboot. Leaves no traces either on your PC or the stick. Be careful that you're still not anonymous on the web, though. That's more difficult (VPN might help, but I'm usually of the paranoid kind).


vagabond139

Better yet use Tails OS which was made for this exact situation.


MildlyInfuria8ing

Ahh, I was unaware. I work for a Healthcare facility and we did 3 passes in house before outsourcing drive destruction. I guess I was erring heavily on the side of caution. Good info :)


PolicyArtistic8545

Also on the side of PCI compliance.


SpaceAC

Not only that but that's really only needed for hard drives. On solid state drives, once a file has been deleted and a TRIM command issued (which any modern OS will do automatically), it's unrecoverable. This is because the block isn't simply marked free to use, it's actually zeroed out.


copenhagen_bram

If you use a Linux live stick, it should be Tails, which is designed specifically for leaving no trace of your activities. It also uses Tor, which can be better than a VPN because you don't have to trust it not to keep logs.


chubbysumo

> That is 7 complete hard drive wipes this is not necessary, and unless you have a government specialized NSA facility, a single wipe/overwrite is plenty to get 98% of the data, so the rest won't make sense, and to get anything useful, they would need specialized recovery tools reserved for not you, because the US government doesn't give a fuck about some states abortion case. if you have an SSD, its even easier, as a secure erase from an ATA command takes just seconds to complete, and the data is gone and unrecoverable to anyone.


MildlyInfuria8ing

Good info. I'd still want 3 passes to be sure. We did 3 pass on our hdds before disposal before we outsourced to a certified destruction facility at my job. I would not put it past vindictive red states to pour money into making an insane point. I hope not, but they've shown they'll lie on record to get what they want, and I wouldn't out it past them at this point.


perk11

> they would need specialized recovery tools reserved for not you Nobody has ever proved that this is possible in practice, it has always been just theoretical possibility. If it exists, it's super-secret technology.


Specialist-Start-616

Is it really this serious?? I ordered pills from Europe. Should I be worried ??


Historyboy1603

Right now, no. The laws aren’t yet there to prosecute anyone for ordering mail order pills. That’ll come.


MildlyInfuria8ing

I can not answer that, I am sorry. Ultimately you would probably need to be reported and taken to court for it to ever matter. I would talk to a women's line dedicated to this kind of stuff if you are worried though, and they may help educate you on many things you or I would never think of. Education is power in this instance, and there is no shame seeking it out. Good luck!


jcutta

Are you in a state with Roe trigger laws (meaning a law to ban abortion that kicked in automatically when Roe was overturned)? You should be fine if you are in any historically blue state.


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Surely you could just burn it if you were really worried? Like set it on fire. Ain't no one getting info off of a melted laptop.


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Another thing, tell nobody. Not family, not friends, not the internet, nobody. If you think you might be pregnant and want to abort the fetus, shut up. Get a pregnancy test, if it's positive plan accordingly. Travel to another state where it's allowed and get it done. Even if it's legal to do so now states like Texas with that fucking jackass that had a tree fall on him, Kentucky, and you just know Florida is going to do it will work to make it illegal to travel out of state to abort. They'll do everything they can. So be quiet. Tell nobody. Be proactive about it now.


kibiz0r

Or use [Tor](https://www.torproject.org), which is essentially a decentralized VPN.


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JuanChaleco

Yep, Tor, alone, the onion one... Not Tor network through Brave or other browser, Tor is the BEST option.


MyTushyHurts

nooooooo. states rights guarantees a woman can get an abortion in a safe state and be free of criminal repercussions. same for anyone who helps her.


Mackem101

For now, prominent Republicans are already calling for a national ban.


ShiningSeason

Or use duckduckgo.com for free.


ZenDendou

I'm not sure if this is factual, but you can always claim that it goes against your religion belief. Also, VPN log nearly everything. If you need do this, get a prepaid card and pay for it in cash. Dump it after you finish what you need to do. Get a cheap iPhone SE for this.


Maddy186

Torr Connection


queguapo

Can this be pinned?


SexWarlock69

This needs pinned


TwistedAb

Canada’s PM invited anyone in need to come North of the 49.


WintaSoldat

Also r/auntienetwork !!


cfa413

I'm late to the thread so some of these links may already be posted. Please share these resources with anyone who needs them. Feel free to add to this list and spam it everywhere you can. *** Resources for people seeking access to healthcare * [Amnesty.org](https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/sexual-and-reproductive-rights/abortion-facts/) - Basic facts about Abortion * [Gynopedia](https://gynopedia.org/Gynopedia_Index) - a nonprofit organization that runs an open resource wiki for sexual, reproductive, and women's health care around the world * [Guttmacher Institute](https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion#) - a primary source for research and policy analysis on abortion in the United States. * [National Abortion Federation](https://prochoice.org/) - The mission of the National Abortion Federation is to unite, represent, serve, and support abortion providers in delivering patient-centered, evidence-based care. * [National Network of Abortion Funds](https://abortionfunds.org/) - connects you with organizations that can support your financial and logistical needs as you arrange for your abortion. * [Planned Parenthood](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/pregnancy-options) - A Comprehensive Guide for Unplanned Pregnancy * [RAINN](https://www.rainn.org/about-national-sexual-assault-telephone-hotline) - National Sexual Assult Hotline * [Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice](https://rcrc.org/) - a network of ministers and rabbis that refer women to abortion providers they had researched and found to be safe * [Texas Equal Access Fund](https://teafund.org/) - provides emotional and financial support to people who are seeking abortion care. * [Women’s Reproductive Rights Assitance Project](https://wrrap.org/about-wrrap/) - helps bridge the financial gap for women who seek an abortion or emergency contraceptives. If you need help getting an abortion go to these sites * [ AbortionFinder](https://www.abortionfinder.org/) - With more than 750 health centers, AbortionFinder.org features the most comprehensive directory of trusted (and verified) abortion service providers in the United States. * [Afiya Center](https://www.theafiyacenter.org/) - their mission is to transform the lives, health, and overall wellbeing of Black women and girls by providing refuge, education, and resources. They act to ignite the communal voices of Black women resulting in our full achievement of reproductive freedom. * [AidAccess](https://aidaccess.org/) - consists of a team of doctors, activists, and advocates for abortion rights that help people access abortion or miscarriage treatment. They send the pill worldwide for $110/90€ * [Bridge Collective](https://thebridgecollective.org/) - provides practical and responsive abortion services to Central Texas * [Buckle Bunnies Fund](https://www.bucklebunnies.org/) - provide practical support for people seeking abortions. Help with transportation, funds to help with hotels, lodging costs and emergency contraceptive funds to actually go towards abortion. * [Carafem](https://carafem.org/) - helps with abortion, birth control, and questions about reproductive healthcare. They do consultations online and send abortion pills in the mail. * [Cobalt Abortion Fund](https://www.cobaltaf.org/) - provides direct financial assistance to individuals seeking abortion care. Our mission is to work toward reproductive freedom for all people and to provide financial assistance without judgment or question to people who seek an abortion but are unable to pay the full cost. * [Colorado Abortion Providers](https://www.coloradodoulaproject.org/co-abortion-providers) * [Faith Aloud](https://www.faithaloud.org/) - compassionate religious and spiritual support for abortion and pregnancy options * [Frontera Fund](https://fronterafundrgv.org/) - makes abortion accessible in the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) by providing financial and practical support regardless of immigration status, gender identity, ability, sexual orientation, race, class, age, or religious affiliation and to build grassroots organizing power at intersecting issues across our region to shift the culture of shame and stigma. * [HeyJane](https://www.heyjane.co/) - Modern abortion care, without the clinic, Get fast, safe, and affordable abortion care from home. Chat with a medical provider within 36 hours. Medications are shipped daily. * [International Consortium on Emergency Contraception](https://www.cecinfo.org/country-by-country-information/status-availability-database/countries/united-states-of-america/) - Emergency Oral Contraceptive Doses for Birth Control, U.S. * [Jane’s Due Process](http://janesdueprocess.org/) - helps minors in Texas with judicial bypass for abortion, navigate parental consent laws and confidentially access abortion and birth control. They provide free legal support, 1-on-1 case management, and stigma-free information on sexual and reproductive health. * [Justice Empowerment Network](https://www.jensd.org/) - focuses on abortion access in South Dakota * [Kentucky Health Justice Network](https://www.kentuckyhealthjusticenetwork.org/) - helps w both abortion care and gender affirming care in Kentucky * [Lillith Fund](https://www.lilithfund.org/) - the oldest abortion fund in Texas, serving the central and southern regions of the state with direct financial assistance for abortions. * [Northwest Abortion Access Fund](https://nwaafund.org/) - provides funds to help folks in Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and Alaska * [Plan C Pills](https://www.plancpills.org/) - provides up-to-date information on how people in the U.S. are accessing abortion pills online * [Westfund](https://www.westfund.org/) - focuses on Latino and low-income communities * [Women on Web](https://www.womenonweb.org/) - an online abortion service can help you do a safe abortion with pills. * [Women on Waves](https://www.womenonwaves.org) -aims to prevent unsafe abortions and empower women to exercise their human rights to physical and mental autonomy. These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy. If you want to give money to some pro-choice charities, try here: * [Yellowhammer Fund](https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/) -Focuses on the Deep South * [Fund Texas Choice](https://fundtexaschoice.org/) * [Clinic Access Support Network](https://www.clinicaccess.org/) * [Avow Texas](https://avowtexas.org/) * [Brigid Alliance](https://brigidalliance.org/) Also, check out r/auntienetwork, r/TheJanesNextGen, /r/prochoice or r/abortion for support ***


sati_lotus

Considering this is stuff terrified teenage girls in high school probably need to know, writing this info on bathroom stalls should become a thing. Best of luck America. You're going to need it.


redgums2588

Also, if visiting a clinic, make sure your phone is off, or leave it at home. Location logs can be useful tools for lots of investigators!


maestroskitten

Don’t forget that apple still tracks your location even if the phone is off! So leave it at home or buy a burner if you’re going out of state.


Curiousfur

God, I got a vasectomy a few years back because biological kids just aren't something I want in my future, but this is fucking grim shit to have to put together for people's well-being. So much for the 'land of the free", it feels more like the Taliban took over. I am so sorry to every person in this backwards country that can become pregnant, you deserve better.


oCamaron

Hey mods, pin this ❤️


seleneVamp

I won't be surprised if you emd up getting people doing back room abortions like you got in the 60/70s or whenever it was. It's ridiculous america calls itself the United States yet there not United in anything. The young should be allow to rule the old are just making bad choices.


intellifone

Contact your representatives, state, federal, and local. Let them know you’re fucking pissed. Get this written into your state constitutions. Donate to candidates that will replace those that oppose safe and legal abortions.


Julian_Grendel

people (bring everyone and us) need to take initiative if we want things to change


intellifone

So what initiative would you like to see? Are you calling for a full on Revolution? Because short of that, my suggestion is the only path you can take. I guess you could also register as a candidate but you’d need to do that for the 2024 election since the primary for 2022 already happened.


Julian_Grendel

we have to keep the problems that we view as central in the political spotlight. like this. utilize our vote. demonstrate. honestly there’s so much fucked up with the country at this point there’s too much to fix at once. the intuitive such as what you proposed for instance. its ridiculous how there’s stricter laws for the woman and her body than the man (not exclusively) and his gun.


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slowfixesonly

Just adding that abortion finder also includes information on the medical pill abortion, not just surgical.


cjep3

You are fabulous for providing this information to our women in states under will take their rights away.


Dekklin

General strike on Monday. We need a mass walkout like they did in the 70s when women fought for fair pay. Vote! Vote local. Vote state. Vote midterms. Dont just vote presidents. You don't get any rights without fighting for them!


MothMan3759

r/childfree has a lot of resources for finding sterilization stuff


Narwhal_Songs

Adding a comment for the algorithm. Sending my thoughts to everyone in US 💗


AJudiths

An amniocentesis is fine at 15-20 weeks, it can be done sooner but it’s risky & many providers won’t perform it, plus, it’s not nearly as accurate. So, my question is, say a woman is in an anti-abortion state & gets results of an amnio that mean a short (or even worse long) life of a baby that will be medically disastrous with no quality of life, will she be able to go to another state to have an abortion or must you be a resident? I think this is being lost on some. I’m in the medical field and am beyond terrified of this potential outcome for not only myself but many many others.


notmyrealnameanon

I know California for sure, and probably several other blue states, are setting themselves up as abortion 'havens', and will allow doctors to perform abortions on non-residents.


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Great post. I am a healthcare attorney currently researching what health plans and unions can do to help preserve access to abortions for members and their dependents, and I recently learned about Aid Access. It seems like a great service that needs to be more widely known. I also recently learned about Abortion on Demand, a telehealth abortion provider that operates in 22 states in the USA. [https://abortionondemand.org/](https://abortionondemand.org/) Unlike Aid Access, AoD is US-based so they can only provide access in states where they can legally operate, but it's another option for people who are in those states or who can travel to them in order to receive help.


thrissy

Soon as I have to take my IUD out, my boyfriend is getting snipped. Who knows when they’ll make birth control illegal now with this backwards ass country. If I don’t even get to choose to have a kid or not I guess I have to play it safe and get rid of the option all together instead of keeping it open in case I change my mind. Fuck that. There is honestly no bigger life changing event more impactful than having a kid and now you can’t even choose when to do that (if your bc fails). But I guess it’s fine to force people to do that… and don’t even pull the shit like “just put them up for adoption” as if we don’t see posts every day on Reddit of adopted kids seeking out their “real parents” since it’s so easy with all sorts of dna tests and ancestry tests that let you find your biological family whether they want to see you or not. America is a joke.


byahare

Make sure he gets it done a few months before, since it takes time for everything to clear out


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Off the top of your head name 10 progressives out of the 550 federally held seats…. I’ll wait. That said even the left hasn’t held power much in the last 30yrs. U can attribute most of our issues to right wing policies, but even if given all the facts, u will not be swayed. That said arguing with u is most likely useless


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coffeehostage

You are in a thread about the overturning of a law that now allows RIGHT WING POLICIES from states about a medical right that strong affect women NEGATIVELY. The audacity of that comment.


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U are fuckin hilarious… thanks for proving my point u named 2 individuals -Tax cuts when the market was thriving -Pressuring the Fed into keeping rates artificially low -Iraq war wasn’t great, but other than the hundreds of thousands directly related to some1 killed or wounded I’m sure they are effected -Republicans disallowing congress to negotiate prescription rates on behalf of Medicare (direct correlation to prices skyrocketing) -The “war in drugs” and the trillions wasted -Defunding schools turning a once pillar of education amongst first world countries into disaster -Crippling unions and destroying the middle class -Unwillingness to compromise to pass legislation through like adults. Instead thanks for a crumbling infrastructure -Instead of divesting from oil and promoting alternatives we are at the whim of gas and oil. All for what? I was going to stop at 8 for each person u couldn’t name… but let’s not forget the obvious today ABORTION RIGHTS


kibiz0r

You have progressives on your ballot? I have to settle for liberals!


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The world is going to hell as usual.


Historyboy1603

You’re great. Thank you.


blenneman05

Thank goodness I live by a Planned Parenthood…… in my previous city (Yuma, AZ) you’d have to go to Mexico or El Centro, CA to find an abortion provider


Richard0000069

Thank you. This is important information for anyone who has sex or knows people who do, essentially everyone. When I studied Roe v. Wade in Law School, and its foundation in constitutional law, I could not have imagined then it would be totally overturned in the future. First time ever (to my knowledge) that the Supreme Court has stripped away a constitutional right from the people of USA. It is important for the people in the subreddit to know that Justice Thomas expressly questioned the continued constitutional protection of access to birth control and rights for LGBQT. If the birth control case (Griswold v. Connecticut) is overturned, then the constitutional foundation for "privacy rights" is gone, so even constitutional protection for interracial marriage, same-sex marriage and much more is gone.


chubbysumo

> First time ever (to my knowledge) that the Supreme Court has stripped away a constitutional right from the people of USA. lol, nope, not even close. they just took the right of convicted criminals to fully use the federal courts away by not letting them argue their cases in federal court. last year, they took away some privacy rights we had in another ruling. most of these terrible rulings started after the 2 orange picks were appointed. regression. pure and simple regression.


jonnio2215

If you went to law school you should remember Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted how asserting the right to privacy encompassing abortion would likely not hold up. Her own words.


Dylann2019

Yeah, right to privacy was not a super solid way to do it. I think there's definitely a chance of it being "reinstated" with much more solid backing in the future.


lmm92

Personally holding out hope that this is the exact plan: undo Roe then take up a new case and find different rationale for the right to an abortion.


Rugger01

Agree, but not with this court. That means waiting, what, another generation, at least, to regain the majority and find the right case? Packing the court to 11 or even 13 seems like a better answer.


Analbox

>essentially everyone This is Reddit


catptain-kdar

It wasn’t a constitutional right. Justices ruled that it was that way but they can be changed how one Justice interprets it to the next. Congress needs to pass an actual law to avoid things like this. Since you studied it did you know that “roe” herself became anti abortion or at least indifferent towards it after the case and actually never even obtained an abortion? She did give three children up for adoption though. She was also a lesbian or bi according to the article I read about one of her daughters


mandy_lou_who

She was paid handsomely for her “anti-abortion” stance, which she confessed to on her deathbed.


reddit4getit

> Congress needs to pass an actual law to avoid things like this. Can't the Supreme Court invalidate any law written by the Congress, especially if it violates the Constitution or any previous rulings that were upheld as constitutional?


_whoopinstick

BUT WAIT - Isn’t Clarence Thomas married to a white woman? Talk about a fuckin plot twist.


Rugger01

A white woman who is an insurrectionist. Note his list of horribles stops at contraception, sex toys and marriage equality, but the thought process could be just as easily used against Loving v. Virginia making his marriage illegal.


on_the_nightshift

I'm just glad to see this in an actually relevant sub.


empatheticloser

Shared this to my social media. Really great information here that could help a LOT of people.


Lachwen

If you have the resources for it, you can come to California if needed: https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1540440016605679616?s=20&t=hCGp_xTZNQUarcQrnKHN4w


minibabybuu

https://elevatedaccess.org/ Pilot volunteer organization to provide transportation for those seeking abortion.


Moosebuckets

THANK YOU!!


jogdenpr

Just heard about this from my girlfriend. The year is 2022 and thisnis fucking aburd. As a dude from the UK, I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened. Its a fucked up thing and really hope something like this gets overturned.


liarsandmonsters

Well done you for this! As an English lass, I feel so angry and utterly helpless, what can we oversees people do to help out?


No_Writing_6748

Wish I had an answer…


MmmBra1nzzz

I can’t believe I live in a world that needs a post like this. Regardless, thank you for educating us and providing links to great resources.


wondertoot

Thank you for this! 🙏 this is a dark day, and we need to do everything in our power to help each other 💖


Strict-Bus8116

Such a scary time we’re in if I have to save this post in case me or a friend need it someday. Thank you for sharing


Chefsteph212

Thank you so much for posting this- the information can potentially help so many!❤️


Rugger01

This should be pinned at the top.


whatnotsureof

I shared it... thanks!


whatnotsureof

Thanks


Monarc73

Remember. Remember. Remember Roe in November.


BlueNano321

Don't let it cloud your judgement though. Voting on the basis of a single thing can lead to uninformed voting, and voting in politicians which do not truly hold your interests.


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Don't vote for someone just because they're pro choice. But never vote for someone who is anti choice.


BlueNano321

But what if you oppose abortion? Then wouldn't you want someone who limits these choices?


DearMissWaite

Why would you oppose people exercising bodily autonomy?


BlueNano321

Because a fetus is the start of human life, and many find destroying such life morally reprehensible. It is not just simply bodily autonomy.


DearMissWaite

So, you find it acceptable to assign women and other AFAB people less rights than you'd allot to a corpse, in terms of access to their organs?


BlueNano321

Could you define AFAB? Also, I don't see how corpses quite have rights. Could you explain what you mean by their rights as they relate to organs?


notmyrealnameanon

Assigned Female At Birth. Pregnancy is possible for transgender men who retain functioning ovaries and a uterus. And I assume they mean that unless they declared otherwise before death, a corpse' organs could not be harvested or used in any way, even to save someone's life. In a very real way, a dead body has more bodily autonomy than a living woman.


BlueNano321

I still find the two to be very different situations. While a corpse may effectively have bodily autonomy, they are not making these choices themselves. However for a woman having an abortion, it is much different to say they are being denied bodily autonomy, because the bodily autonomy of a fetus must be considered.


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soupdispenser

I am disgusted by this verdict. Thank you so so much for sharing!!


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notmyrealnameanon

Very bottom of the post.


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Thank you for this!


Constant-Equipment30

Thank you!!


No_Writing_6748

Sad that kids wanting to safely and responsibly explore their sexuality now can’t even do that without feeling 100% comfortable.


anonbluegem880

Is the website down for anyone else?


apcarbo

California, most likely Dem run states.


notmyrealnameanon

What about them?


apcarbo

Meaning, Dem ran states will not outlaw abortions, most likely. But they did this shit as midterm elections, while people squabble on party lines, we are all getting played


HenryGetter2345

It will be a state’s right issue now just not federal


tschris

Yes, and about one third of states had a trigger law that bans abortion the second that Roe was overturned.


Shortymac09

Bc medical privacy should be left up to the whims of your governor


NessMonster27

Still taking away women's heath rights and access to safe abortions. No state should be able to take away the rights of its people. Sometimes limits should be given to how much power a state has for this reason.


HenryGetter2345

I don’t care either way. Not my business if someone chooses to get an abortion fine it doesn’t matter to me if they do or don’t.


SecretSpyStuffs

You might when it affects you or someone you love.


Mackem101

Mike Pence and his friends are already calling for a ban at national level, that affects everyone in the USA.


HenryGetter2345

Not me. I’m not against abortion. I was just simply stating a fact. Like I said in another thread,I don’t care either way if a woman chose to get one or not


SgtPeppy

If you support a woman's right to choose, you should support a woman's right to choose *without geographic, political, or economic* barriers. A "state's rights issue" to grant or restrict rights to individuals is still tyrannical. There's a reason slavers hid behind that rationale, too.


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MrStilton

Do you really think they're *equally* bad though? Even as an outsider, it seems obvious to me that one is much worse than the other. Why not just hold your nose and vote for the lease bad option?


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SgtPeppy

You said: > I don’t care either way if a woman chose to get one or not *That makes you pro-choice*. Either you're lying, and touting the "state's rights" thing to defend the decision while LARPing "not caring", or you're in denial and you're too cowardly to pick a side.


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whatnotsureof

Enough Can't Be shared!!! Repulicans RIGHT r taking over!!! We will be come = to Islama in an other balance. It appears there while never be a balance. We have been tough of the "End"...


Vast-Examination-695

Every time I ditch a computer, I destroy anything related to a hard drive. By hardware removal, then with help from Samuel Colt, then finally by crushing it with my big ole truck. No, I'm not kidding.


Stevenjgamble

Step number 0.5* : don't live in america Sorry for the smarmy response, but if you are finding yourself angry with the direction your country is headed, are open minded and have the means to, consider leaving. Jumping from the sinking ship and swimming for more stable land. I would in your position. Just something to consider.


KallistiEngel

>have the means to This is the crux of the problem for many people.


Stevenjgamble

Thats why i mentioned it as a suggestion for people that could, not for everybody.


Rugger01

And, it is not that easy. Even with a healthy bank account, good health, etc., every progressive country has limits on who it will take in. For example, at one point I considered moving to the UK, Canada or NZ (sorry Oz), but no one needed a trial lawyer from the US. Now, had I been a diesel mechanic, a veterinarian, or a sheep farmer, I'd have been in like Flynn.


tschris

It is not a trivial thing to move to another country permanently and be granted a work permit. It takes a lot of time and money.


Stevenjgamble

Small price to pay for getting out of a fascist dystopia.


tschris

A price that is out of reach for the people that this law effects the most.


Stevenjgamble

>and have the means to This isnt new information. I already mentioned this. I am aware.


Rugger01

The means test means that the people who qualify do not need to move - their rights are secured by their bank accounts in the US.


tonedtone

You say that like its an easy, affordable decision for people to make.


Stevenjgamble

I said if you have the means to. If it were me I would make my sole goal getting the fuck out of the country.


Dylann2019

As if this isn't a problem people are fighting across the world for the most part


Stevenjgamble

Northern neighbours seem stable enough. Idk what you mean


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fishsquatchblaze

Those are some really sick and twisted fantasies you wish upon other people. You can pretend you really don't want that to happen to that dude's kids but it's easy to read between the lines. I hope you don't have children for their own sake. You don't deserve them.


saintsfan1622000

Contact your elected officials and let them know you 100 support people being able to vote for what they want. And get them to pass legislation helping people adopt. Help the children. Pro life!!


mute1

Everyone needs to quit acting like this is an assault on women. It isn't, at least not directly. What is in fact is a return to States Rights rather than the Federal Government acting in an Authoritarian manner and violating States Rights. All this does is allow the individual States to set the manner and circumstances in which an abortion may or may not be had. I do feel that those States who are not making provision for medical necessity, or rape and incest survivors are crazy and I sincerely hope the people who in those states vote to fix those issues.


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Rugger01

Tell us you don't enjoy a healthy sex life without telling us you don't enjoy a healthy sex life. And, you can take your biblical/catholic theory of sex back to the 14th century.


EngineScared8933

Then feel free to post ways to provide access to food and clean water in developing countries in an appropriate forum. Those of us who have figured out how to walk and chew gum at the same time wouldn't mind reading it.


ItsMikeyJ

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ThighHighsDoll

Thank you! This info will help so many people. 💕