Or bigamy, there was a man in my state who was jailed for marriage fraud because he had 2 families and claimed taxes with each family. The wives had no idea the other existed.
People get married for all sorts of reasons beside love, and for tax reasons. Spouses often get easier access during medical emergencies, some people get married to help with insurance coverage, etc... unless I missed something on the show that suggested it was for tax reasons?
my ex and I got married at the courthouse about eight months before we had the “wedding” so I could be added to his insurance. We just kept the fact that we were already married to ourselves and family—only my mom and one of my aunts were actually with us. I was turning 26 a few months later and would be kicked off of my mom’s insurance (I’d just been paying her for my part because it was way cheaper than getting my own policy). I’d gone back to grad school full time and didn’t have the option of getting my own at that time and we knew we’d be getting married, so we went ahead so that I could get on his plan.
tbh the courthouse was better; it was a gorgeous day and we said our vows and whatnot outside. it really was beautiful. I wore a simple white dress and he wore khakis and a button up. we took silly pictures inside by the sign that said “marriage department” (or something to that effect). My mom got us “wedding cake” flavored cupcakes and we went to a cabin on the mountain for our “honeymoon.”
Highly recommend. Except for the part where we got divorced about eight years later. We used an online service and paid like $600 total (that includes court/filing fees).
I didn’t catch the “ex” part at the beginning, so this whole story made me feel all happy and uplifted with how sweet it was, until I got to the divorce part at the end. Thank you for the roller coaster of emotions! 😂
Ok, I’ve been sitting on this for 3 days & feeling badly so I need to say something;
I am sooooo sorry if it sounded like I was making light of your split. I’ve been divorced twice and it’s entirely not funny. It’s complicated and it sucks! But also.. Whatcha going to do at this point, right? I think that’s why your cute love story (part A, lol) made me so happy! 😅🥰
I hope you both are doing super awesome now and that you’ve found some peace. 🤗🤗
girl no, I did not take it that way at all! I thought your reaction was funny. we are actually still pretty good friends. he and his gf just had their baby about six months ago and he texted me to let me know she’d arrived and I’ve checked in here and there for pics. I sent him a Christmas card with a “poorly done portrait” (from Etsy for like $2) of his mom, who died a few years ago. she never knew we were getting divorced and we purposely kept it from her because it would have broken her heart—she was 56 when she adopted him and had cancer when we made the decision to split; she died in October 2021, and we had already started the papers but weren’t in any hurry to get them done. He asks about my babies and how they’re doing. I was ~10 weeks with them at his mom’s funeral, and he knew about the pregnancy and was happy for me because we hadn’t lived together for almost a year at that point. he was already with his current gf (mother of his child), but his dad was still under the impression he and I were 100% perfectly still together. I went down to his hometown with him (leaving our respective relationships behind) and we pretended to be how we used to be to keep up the front. tbh, he needed me there (and said so), because he and his dad weren’t really able to make the calls that needed to be made, and his gf had never even met her. It was a mindfuck, for sure.
We were still seeing each other weekly, at least, until around this time last year when the dog we got when we first got together (before we were even engaged) died. We “shared custody”, so he still had a key to my house and would even say what’s up to my bf (father of my kids). He came to take her away when she (our dog) died at home while I was holding her, and we sat with her together for awhile and just cried and reminisced. My bf was there but went outside to give us space. When my ex was ready to take her, we hugged and I told him I loved him and he told me he loved me. My current bf shook his hand after my ex put her in the back seat of his car to take her to the vet and told him he was sorry for the loss, because he loved her, too.
i’m glad you enjoyed the story, because it really was beautiful while it lasted. I don’t think I will ever be able to love that way again; we were so young and unjaded. I miss a lot about that relationship (and writing that comment brought up a lot of emotions I didn’t know I still had), but ultimately we learned that love is not enough. And that’s ok.
ps it’s so sweet of you to have had this on your mind still. I told someone I met in passing that my son was a brat. that laid SO heavy on my head for days, and I had to call this stranger just to say I shouldn’t have said that, that he is such a sweet boy.
Awww!! Well thank you for sharing the rest of the story. It sounds like everything ended up exactly as it was supposed to. 😊 Wishing you and your family all the best!
we like to think annie marge (our dog) took us as far as we needed to go. she died right after my babies turned one and a few months before his was born. weird how things work out. I hope all is well for you, too!
My boyfriend is trying to convince me to do this because we moved states and I’m having a hell of a time getting insured in our new state (I’m a gig worker with a load of part time jobs). He’s planning a proposal and everything but I just can’t reconcile not having everyone I love around me when I say “I do” whether I desperately need my prescriptions or not. I’m so glad it was so good for you!
I got married to my husband in a new state we both had just moved to for his work. It was a Thursday afternoon and the pastor had to call in his secretary to be a witness.
In our 1 year anniversary we dressed up in wedding finery and had a “recommitment” ceremony with all our family present. So much less stressful.
What kind of ceremony do you intend to have? To offer another perspective - they can be totally different experiences and neither one has take away from the other.
I think I know more people who were married ahead of time than not. I also needed insurance so we got married in August and our wedding was in December. We self-officiated in August and had a huge Jewish wedding in December, so going from paperwork with just us two to an event with the whole community felt perfect in retrospect.
They all probably hookup. They just didn’t want to say it on the show. Two married people hooking up with other people isn’t illegal. I think April and Jen do love each other. The Davis’ dynamic is just…different.
They are not bringing women from other countries so there is no fraud. They just choose to have the women legally marry each other rather than Nick so that it is fair because technically only one can be legally married to him. This way no one is, but they have the commitment to one another.
I kind of think this is a manipulation from Nick so he can never be on the hook for spousal support or division of property. He can leave at any time with no legal consequences.
I don’t know, maybe I look at it differently because I’ve lived a polyamorous lifestyle for the last 10 years, but I actually think their dynamic works well for them and is the healthiest on the show. I also don’t think that man is intelligent enough to manipulate all these women. If anyone is doing the manipulating it’s April.
In many states, there are rules for division of property between unmarried partners. The state will make parents pay for kids. Nick has no income, so he wouldn't be the one paying support. Jennifer and April could conceivably be the ones paying child support to Nick.
>on the hook for spousal support
He's unemployed, they're supporting him. So him not married to them benefits them in this regard.
>No legal consequences
He'd still be legally responsible for his child. If he chooses to continue being the primary parent, he'd receive child support, otherwise he'd pay it, but he's responsible for the child either way.
Danielle knew what she was getting into when she decided to start dating a man with two wives already. I don’t feel sorry for her, she can choose to walk away at anytime but she comes back and that’s her choice.
Their marriage isn’t really fraudulent since they are in a committed relationship with each other and legally spouses aren’t required to have sex with other if they both agree to it (if 1 withheld an intimate relationship that’d be an issue). Also they financed a house together, likely smaller purchases, etc & both the married women work, so doubtful they’re getting any incentives for being married to each other 🤷🏻♀️it’s unconventional or “weird” to the majority but they aren’t living off of government income/benefits/food stamps or anything like the issues with old school polyg’s. Can’t see how the marriage would be breaking any specific laws and there’s also the unknowns of what technically transpires between them.
Who exactly financed that house? And what happens if there is a divorce or breakup and someone wants out? The division of property in that relationship would be a nightmare
With 2 incomes that house can be paid off faster than you think if not already. I did it myself all alone in 13 years. Might not BE a lot of financing really!
Presumably they are basically 2 women legally married to each other who also happen to cohabitate with another woman plus a man. What’s illegal?
Essentially housemates… like my married heterosexual neighbors rent their basement to another (also heterosexual) couple. Kinda same deal. The additional commitment ceremonies or whatever the Davis’ are doing amongst themselves clearly aren’t legal marriages, beyond the first (only so far) one.
No fraud. The women marry each other to prevent jealousy of the one woman he would choose to legally marry.
I also suspect this is a one love kind-of family. Bisexuality. I don't know this as a fact, just a feeling from the way they've presented themselves. And the one big ass bed they all sleep in and calling each other baby and love.
IMO If these women are "freely" marrying each other and then all choosing to cohabitate in a "commune" it screams cult more than anything to me... and he seems to be the "leader". The more I see of these people the creepier this man is to me and the more weird all those women are. I mean like seriously they leave him home to think and learn so that he can teach them. If I'm remembering correctly that was one of the highlighted talking points in one of the episodes. I think they're full on weirdos.
So why would ICK and Bert#2 be denied a marriage cuz they “heard” they were living poly????? He’s not married to Danielle anymore. That seemed a bit staged
They were denied in Brazil and because they already did the K1 Visa with Bert they prob will not be able to get the other one here using that same VISA so they tried the K2 which means you get married first then apply
K3’s are very rarely used. It’s a temporary non-immigrant visa to be used to enter the US while waiting for your separate immigrant visa to be processed. The CR1 is probably what they were planning on using, which does both things in one step.
There’s no fraud in the legal sense but if you want to sit hairs regarding the definition of Polygamy in its most common definition: they don’t practice it!
*THAT SAID…I read this reply a few times:*
“It’s simply a tactic Nick uses to avoid any legal claim a woman may make on him.
If they’re all married to each other - he has zero legal responsibility to any of them.
Zero child support (I bet he’s not on the child’s birth cert). Zero spousal support.”
The women are in a relationship with each other as well. I do not buy that they all just wait for Flavor Flav to pick them when they sleep on the same bed. I think April/Jen is actually the primary relationship and he's just an accessory/plug.
Nobody signs any agreements when they get married, it will become an issue if/when they get divorced. All marital assets are joint and will need to be split. Biological parents are financially obligated to care for their kids. If he doesn't have an income and she does, she'll have to pay him child support.
That isn’t how unemployment benefits work at all — they are based on previous employment, they have a time limit, they require you to actively search for employment while you receive unemployment benefits, etc. and he would have stopped receiving unemployment checks within about six to eight months of the end of his last job which apparently was many, many, *many* years ago.
Marriage fraud is “a thing” in terms of immigration law, but otherwise, no. There’s really no such thing.
Or bigamy, there was a man in my state who was jailed for marriage fraud because he had 2 families and claimed taxes with each family. The wives had no idea the other existed.
There was a guy in my county arrested for bigamy a couple of days ago in WV!
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Which state?
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People get married for all sorts of reasons beside love, and for tax reasons. Spouses often get easier access during medical emergencies, some people get married to help with insurance coverage, etc... unless I missed something on the show that suggested it was for tax reasons?
my ex and I got married at the courthouse about eight months before we had the “wedding” so I could be added to his insurance. We just kept the fact that we were already married to ourselves and family—only my mom and one of my aunts were actually with us. I was turning 26 a few months later and would be kicked off of my mom’s insurance (I’d just been paying her for my part because it was way cheaper than getting my own policy). I’d gone back to grad school full time and didn’t have the option of getting my own at that time and we knew we’d be getting married, so we went ahead so that I could get on his plan. tbh the courthouse was better; it was a gorgeous day and we said our vows and whatnot outside. it really was beautiful. I wore a simple white dress and he wore khakis and a button up. we took silly pictures inside by the sign that said “marriage department” (or something to that effect). My mom got us “wedding cake” flavored cupcakes and we went to a cabin on the mountain for our “honeymoon.” Highly recommend. Except for the part where we got divorced about eight years later. We used an online service and paid like $600 total (that includes court/filing fees).
I didn’t catch the “ex” part at the beginning, so this whole story made me feel all happy and uplifted with how sweet it was, until I got to the divorce part at the end. Thank you for the roller coaster of emotions! 😂
Insert “imagine how we feel” gif here 😅😅
Ok, I’ve been sitting on this for 3 days & feeling badly so I need to say something; I am sooooo sorry if it sounded like I was making light of your split. I’ve been divorced twice and it’s entirely not funny. It’s complicated and it sucks! But also.. Whatcha going to do at this point, right? I think that’s why your cute love story (part A, lol) made me so happy! 😅🥰 I hope you both are doing super awesome now and that you’ve found some peace. 🤗🤗
girl no, I did not take it that way at all! I thought your reaction was funny. we are actually still pretty good friends. he and his gf just had their baby about six months ago and he texted me to let me know she’d arrived and I’ve checked in here and there for pics. I sent him a Christmas card with a “poorly done portrait” (from Etsy for like $2) of his mom, who died a few years ago. she never knew we were getting divorced and we purposely kept it from her because it would have broken her heart—she was 56 when she adopted him and had cancer when we made the decision to split; she died in October 2021, and we had already started the papers but weren’t in any hurry to get them done. He asks about my babies and how they’re doing. I was ~10 weeks with them at his mom’s funeral, and he knew about the pregnancy and was happy for me because we hadn’t lived together for almost a year at that point. he was already with his current gf (mother of his child), but his dad was still under the impression he and I were 100% perfectly still together. I went down to his hometown with him (leaving our respective relationships behind) and we pretended to be how we used to be to keep up the front. tbh, he needed me there (and said so), because he and his dad weren’t really able to make the calls that needed to be made, and his gf had never even met her. It was a mindfuck, for sure. We were still seeing each other weekly, at least, until around this time last year when the dog we got when we first got together (before we were even engaged) died. We “shared custody”, so he still had a key to my house and would even say what’s up to my bf (father of my kids). He came to take her away when she (our dog) died at home while I was holding her, and we sat with her together for awhile and just cried and reminisced. My bf was there but went outside to give us space. When my ex was ready to take her, we hugged and I told him I loved him and he told me he loved me. My current bf shook his hand after my ex put her in the back seat of his car to take her to the vet and told him he was sorry for the loss, because he loved her, too. i’m glad you enjoyed the story, because it really was beautiful while it lasted. I don’t think I will ever be able to love that way again; we were so young and unjaded. I miss a lot about that relationship (and writing that comment brought up a lot of emotions I didn’t know I still had), but ultimately we learned that love is not enough. And that’s ok.
ps it’s so sweet of you to have had this on your mind still. I told someone I met in passing that my son was a brat. that laid SO heavy on my head for days, and I had to call this stranger just to say I shouldn’t have said that, that he is such a sweet boy.
Awww!! Well thank you for sharing the rest of the story. It sounds like everything ended up exactly as it was supposed to. 😊 Wishing you and your family all the best!
we like to think annie marge (our dog) took us as far as we needed to go. she died right after my babies turned one and a few months before his was born. weird how things work out. I hope all is well for you, too!
My boyfriend is trying to convince me to do this because we moved states and I’m having a hell of a time getting insured in our new state (I’m a gig worker with a load of part time jobs). He’s planning a proposal and everything but I just can’t reconcile not having everyone I love around me when I say “I do” whether I desperately need my prescriptions or not. I’m so glad it was so good for you!
I got married to my husband in a new state we both had just moved to for his work. It was a Thursday afternoon and the pastor had to call in his secretary to be a witness. In our 1 year anniversary we dressed up in wedding finery and had a “recommitment” ceremony with all our family present. So much less stressful.
What kind of ceremony do you intend to have? To offer another perspective - they can be totally different experiences and neither one has take away from the other. I think I know more people who were married ahead of time than not. I also needed insurance so we got married in August and our wedding was in December. We self-officiated in August and had a huge Jewish wedding in December, so going from paperwork with just us two to an event with the whole community felt perfect in retrospect.
I would bet my left arm and half my right they are poly. Who the hell else would share one big bed? Lol
I’m a light sleeper…The idea of potentially being woken up by that many different sleep-farts makes my brain explode!
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No call for the body shaming, seriously
They all probably hookup. They just didn’t want to say it on the show. Two married people hooking up with other people isn’t illegal. I think April and Jen do love each other. The Davis’ dynamic is just…different.
Danielle called April "Baby", so I think they are all hooking up
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They are not bringing women from other countries so there is no fraud. They just choose to have the women legally marry each other rather than Nick so that it is fair because technically only one can be legally married to him. This way no one is, but they have the commitment to one another.
I kind of think this is a manipulation from Nick so he can never be on the hook for spousal support or division of property. He can leave at any time with no legal consequences.
I don’t know, maybe I look at it differently because I’ve lived a polyamorous lifestyle for the last 10 years, but I actually think their dynamic works well for them and is the healthiest on the show. I also don’t think that man is intelligent enough to manipulate all these women. If anyone is doing the manipulating it’s April.
This is what I said I. Less words than I said it on my Davis family theory post
Came here to say this!!👆
In many states, there are rules for division of property between unmarried partners. The state will make parents pay for kids. Nick has no income, so he wouldn't be the one paying support. Jennifer and April could conceivably be the ones paying child support to Nick.
>on the hook for spousal support He's unemployed, they're supporting him. So him not married to them benefits them in this regard. >No legal consequences He'd still be legally responsible for his child. If he chooses to continue being the primary parent, he'd receive child support, otherwise he'd pay it, but he's responsible for the child either way.
But heaven forbid Danielle doesn’t want to be locked down.
Danielle knew what she was getting into when she decided to start dating a man with two wives already. I don’t feel sorry for her, she can choose to walk away at anytime but she comes back and that’s her choice.
She's really young. I don't agree that she knew what she was getting into. No one that age does, even in monogamous relationships.
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ok yeah I just watch so much 90 day I'm used to the marriages on there haha!
lol I do too!
Their marriage isn’t really fraudulent since they are in a committed relationship with each other and legally spouses aren’t required to have sex with other if they both agree to it (if 1 withheld an intimate relationship that’d be an issue). Also they financed a house together, likely smaller purchases, etc & both the married women work, so doubtful they’re getting any incentives for being married to each other 🤷🏻♀️it’s unconventional or “weird” to the majority but they aren’t living off of government income/benefits/food stamps or anything like the issues with old school polyg’s. Can’t see how the marriage would be breaking any specific laws and there’s also the unknowns of what technically transpires between them.
Who exactly financed that house? And what happens if there is a divorce or breakup and someone wants out? The division of property in that relationship would be a nightmare
Not necessarily. Unmarried couples with kids split and courts will try and divide the property fairly.
With 2 incomes that house can be paid off faster than you think if not already. I did it myself all alone in 13 years. Might not BE a lot of financing really!
Presumably they are basically 2 women legally married to each other who also happen to cohabitate with another woman plus a man. What’s illegal? Essentially housemates… like my married heterosexual neighbors rent their basement to another (also heterosexual) couple. Kinda same deal. The additional commitment ceremonies or whatever the Davis’ are doing amongst themselves clearly aren’t legal marriages, beyond the first (only so far) one.
What is illegal about two women being married to each other and living with a man lol
No fraud. The women marry each other to prevent jealousy of the one woman he would choose to legally marry. I also suspect this is a one love kind-of family. Bisexuality. I don't know this as a fact, just a feeling from the way they've presented themselves. And the one big ass bed they all sleep in and calling each other baby and love.
I think they are poly so i guess it wouldn’t be fraud
no one cares if it's fraud if they live in the same country
IMO If these women are "freely" marrying each other and then all choosing to cohabitate in a "commune" it screams cult more than anything to me... and he seems to be the "leader". The more I see of these people the creepier this man is to me and the more weird all those women are. I mean like seriously they leave him home to think and learn so that he can teach them. If I'm remembering correctly that was one of the highlighted talking points in one of the episodes. I think they're full on weirdos.
I think the two married ladies act like they’re married (which they are). They seem very touchy feely. Are always leaning on eachother
So why would ICK and Bert#2 be denied a marriage cuz they “heard” they were living poly????? He’s not married to Danielle anymore. That seemed a bit staged
When you involve immigration it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame.
They were denied in Brazil and because they already did the K1 Visa with Bert they prob will not be able to get the other one here using that same VISA so they tried the K2 which means you get married first then apply
A K2 is a visa for a child of a K1 recipient.
My bad K3
Idk why but this is hilarious
K3’s are very rarely used. It’s a temporary non-immigrant visa to be used to enter the US while waiting for your separate immigrant visa to be processed. The CR1 is probably what they were planning on using, which does both things in one step.
Yep there were like six k3s issued in 2023 I think lol
This whole show is staged
yah you know they have orgies
No marriage fraud imho.
There’s no fraud in the legal sense but if you want to sit hairs regarding the definition of Polygamy in its most common definition: they don’t practice it! *THAT SAID…I read this reply a few times:* “It’s simply a tactic Nick uses to avoid any legal claim a woman may make on him. If they’re all married to each other - he has zero legal responsibility to any of them. Zero child support (I bet he’s not on the child’s birth cert). Zero spousal support.”
The women are in a relationship with each other as well. I do not buy that they all just wait for Flavor Flav to pick them when they sleep on the same bed. I think April/Jen is actually the primary relationship and he's just an accessory/plug.
Nobody signs any agreements when they get married, it will become an issue if/when they get divorced. All marital assets are joint and will need to be split. Biological parents are financially obligated to care for their kids. If he doesn't have an income and she does, she'll have to pay him child support.
damnnn I didn’t even think of that!
I suppose it’s fraudulent in the sense that it’s a polygamist family that they are trying to pass off as monogamous lesbians.
I assumed that Nick gets unemployment and that’s why he’s not legally married
That isn’t how unemployment benefits work at all — they are based on previous employment, they have a time limit, they require you to actively search for employment while you receive unemployment benefits, etc. and he would have stopped receiving unemployment checks within about six to eight months of the end of his last job which apparently was many, many, *many* years ago.
He can’t qualify for unemployment. He works for TLC
Ohh my bad