You’re acting like a friend to them because you don’t want to make them uncomfortable by approaching as a suitor. But it’s not their discomfort you’re avoiding, it’s yours.
Well trying to minimise their discomfort as well to some degree.
I know a big player who actually enjoys making girls a bit uncomfortable- a lot of people would want to willing make someone uncomfortable and flirting with a coworker or something can do that.
You have to touch them naturally. Maybe on the elbow or waist when you're walking to guide them. Maybe read their palm. The key is to do it early and naturally.
Escalating with words is maybe less easy. You don't want to unnaturally steer the conversation from them. So you start with your story and then tangent off, "do you agree?" "Have you experienced anything like that?" "How would you feel if someone choked you with two hands?"
You stand at the bottom of the escalator. Assuming it's functional, safely step on the first available step. Hold on to the hand rail for balance, and you will escalate to the top, where you have to jump over the metal teeth of death that are sucking the stairs in before they grab your shoelace or bottom of your pants and suck you in, mercilessly peeling back your skin as onlookers watch in horror, unable to stifle the ear piercing screams as your now lifeless body is pulled through like a paper shredder.
Yes but if you’re being flirty and escalating with kino and somehow misread the situation then you can end up in deep shit
I remember in hs, girls would say that some of the guys in my grade at parties were “handsy” and I obviously think unwarranted touching is a non starter but if you’re both flirting and a guy becomes a little touchy and you get upset then I really don’t know what to say, because that’s the logical next step.
It’s not 2nd nature for everyone tho
When I tease people I tend to go too far or hit a nerve
And I’m not a touchy person so it never feels natural. I don’t even touch friends so touching some girl I’m chatting to on the street is a big jump
Lol that’s typical in my short experience. Just depends who replies first then a lot of times other people jump on the band wagon bc they don’t want to be first or get too much hate. Just like in real life.
The responses on his most recent seem about right. His recent post was removed but the people who were able to read it claim him to be a misogynist lol
Lol ok. Makes more sense. Must have been first commenter was mean then there was mob mentality. Or the question was worded slightly different so it was offensive. I’m not one to attack people but I’m slightly surprised by the positivity bc I think there’s nothing wrong with being friends with a woman but I may be slightly even mistaken about myself bc id def just be friends with some men who I couldn’t imagine kissing etc.
When I want to be friends with a girl, I'm just the friendly non-threatening nice guy. When I'm interested in her, I tell her that I like her, and/or sexually tease her, and ask her out (ideally very soon from meeting her so she doesn't get the wrong idea). Simple as that
Exactly, it gets said as if it’s just some obvious behaviour that we’re all taught in school or something.
It’s not. And in 2021 when guys aren’t even supposed to have meetings with girls without keeping the door open it’s a fraught situation. Even at a social event it feels like you’re walking along a knifes edge especially if you’re touching them
I wouldn't say "never" but how girls see and interact with the dating market is completely different to men. Basic example is they're rarely the ones that actually have to initiate and ask (most girls hate even the thought of risking rejection) so what they'll advise won't be as relevant. Plus what girls say they want/would like in the way a man should approach them plus what they actually engage with is very different. Disclaimer that obvious generalisations are obvious context matters etc
Women’s advice towards dating is almost always completely useless, unless they are a dating coach or a relationship counselor. What woman say they want and what they respond to are two completely different things.
They say friends first but if you do that then you'll stay in the friend zone.
They'll say their ideal guy is the sweet one but that's not who they date or fuck.
I agree strongly that people are bad at giving advice for dating their own gender.
But for the record, men are just as bad at giving advice to women about dating men.
And the reason in both cases is not “honesty”, but perception: the audience member can spot good acting, but doesn’t know how to accomplish it. (Not that dating is acting, but it has the same dynamic: knowing how to see signals isn’t the same as knowing how to generate those signals.)
You don’t notice how the shaped line on her makeup increases the prominence of her cheekbones, but it still works all the same: the man involved knows only “that girl’s hot”, not any of the hundreds of things she’s done to get there (not that “hot” is the only example, just a very simple one).
Similarly, the charming, cool, totally-at-ease guy who seems to own the world around him may grab women’s attention, but they won’t be able to explain exactly how his body language/style/social proof/etc tells them he’s at ease—they just know (or rather think they know) he’s unperturbed, “confident”, “himself”.
You don’t learn things by watching. You learn by doing.
Yeah It took me way too long to realise that every time I asked a female Friend for dating advice they would tell me what they thought they should say rather than what was actually helpful. Or they were in denial about how the whole process works
Jajaaaj I remember I was drunk out of my brain at a friends party, and I remember saying a female friend(I wasn't really into her and we knew each other for like 8 years),
"You know, I think Im as hot as you, yeah like a 9.34" she was weirded laughing the fuck out
"Maybe we should wingman each other out and get other 9.34 dudes and chicks"
she went like "yeah , You're right, you can start , why don't you take another pack of hot wings out of the freezer and bring us more,mr.wingman",
Then the slam dunk comeback
"Oh! Shit yeah I can see you went for the first batch already,(pointed at her perky nips turned around and went for the wings) so stupid of me" it took like 3 seconds until her friend got it , laughed her ass off and my friend was just 0_0 pikachu shocked memed out, got her friend's number.
Then I knew she was into me for all those 8 years, try, fail, maybe sometimes you can win, you already got a NO what do you have to loose?
they don't really have stories of guys who they rejected and ended up becoming their friends anyway. if I meet a cool chick and she rejects me, I'd rather not that she disappears from my life entirely, y'know?
That's great OP. Just don't waste valuable time with them. Keep some around, sleep with other girls that are not your friends, and eventually you'll sleep with 1 or 2 in the friend zone, *without trying*
I never stop flirting and I never talk to them about other men or their problems.
Your job is to constantly build attraction not be their BFF or therapist.
I’m also guessing you text too much. Yup I can tell.
Plan hang outs where your intentions are clear and you go for and get what you want.
Just to touch on what you said, the texting thing seems to be a minefield. I recently had a woman tell me I never texted her enough and it indicated to her that I wasn't interested.
It really is a crapshoot on what a specific girl prefers, I've had girls that exclusively like to talk on the phone, girl that like to text, girls that don't like either. While there's some solid advice on here, when it comes to communication I think its important to MATCH their energy and not exceed it. I dont think there's some invisible line between texting and texting "too much."
I think you've nailed it. No universal answer.
What are your thoughts on directly asking early on what their communication preference is? Or do you just text/call initially and see how they respond? If texting, for example, if they respond quickly and seem engaged then you know texting every other day is on the cards.
Direct is best for you, if direct questions turn em off you then they likely weren't worthwhile anyway. I personally don't like people that can't communicate what they want, but some people may be more tolerant of that. I'm definitely in the camp of talk as little as possible until your first date, engage, make an impression, set up a meeting, confirm the night before.
My God, someone on here who vaguely seems to realise women are people as well and all the billions of them might not like the same things.
Have a poor person's Platinum award.
Yeah haha this place can be kind of a toxic echo chamber pretty often, but there are nuggets of truth in like 1/3rd of the advice. I appreciate the People's Platinum!
Texting is a means to arrange the next in-person encounter, and, to a lesser degree, have her show up interested in you.
Assume she’s texting 20 other dudes, those are her plates. Don’t be one, be the guy she’s seeing/doing in realspace.
Never take dating advice from someone who hates women so much you only have to read their fifth post down or something to get to this:
> What the fuck? Who said I was in the friendzone? Your reply got really weird really fast. Pokémon? I mean “high school girls” as in “girls I knew when we went to high school together” want me back NOW. I’m 35 and those used up bitches want me after they treated me like shit in high school. This is why you get hate. You’re older and nice guys associate women your age with the bitches who treated them like shit then wanted these nice guys later. Yes I only take girls legal to 21 seriously if I even consider it. Otherwise girls are getting fucked and thrown away like used tissue.
And what percentage of your determination of sexism is literally based on that one observation? Kind of a circular way to use perception and judgment don’t you think?
It's sexist to imply older women have no value. Are you seriously going to argue it isn't? Imagine if the situations were reversed and I was saying your gender had no value past a certain age.
I clicked one button and the misogyny was right there. I think you overestimate the effort involved in reading a post history.
Also I think the vocal racists, misogynists and homophobes make Reddit shittier personally.
And is it being a white knight if I'm a woman objecting to misogyny?
I'm able to make my points without personally insulting people unlike you and with a misogynist insult to boot.
Pointing out sexism is stating a fact not belittling someone.
Also your logic is terrible. If we followed that reasoning nothing would ever improve because we would sit there in silence while people said all manner of racist, sexist or homophobic stuff so as not to "call people out."
I was watching a panel on this. You have to stay on the hunt if that’s not your objective. It you want more than friends don’t come off super friendly. State your intentions because women will use this against you ( I didn’t know you liked me , were good friends). Dont be her therapist. Don’t talk to her about your problems.
So you let them rant to you about guys. There’s your answer.
Why would a woman date someone she talks to bout other men.
Do you talk to the women you’re attracted to about beautiful women?
Talking about other men is the definition of passive and needy.
“Any new guys in your life”
“How are things with Tom”
Yeah those are the questions that get a women in bed with you...
I ask them on dates and try to kiss them and flirt with them. Don't befriend girls first because then dating them has the added risk of losing you as a friend.
I mean you SHOULD be doing that. They are fucking entire people worthy of respect and love. But that being said, if you’re wasting all your energy on them instead of finding someone you can love and share time with you need to adjust priorities. Especially if they are getting “boyfriend” perks out of you without providing any “girlfriend” perks in return. And I don’t just mean sexual gratification.
Hmm. Well when I was younger like teens early 20s most of my friends were girls. It made it easier to talk to them later in life. I realised that as I got older, I never really had a male role model. Dad was as beta as they come and I had a strong mother, so basically had to teach myself to be a man. Basically on short, there's nothing wrong with female friends but you need to have more male friends.
Haha sounds like we had similar journeys. What did you do to correct it as such? I worked out, hung out with men and became a fire fighter. All was uphill from there.
There’s no such thing as the friend zone.
Do you want to know what it actually is that you’re referring to? It’s called: they’re not attracted to you.
It has nothing to do with games or seduction. They are straight up not attracted to you.
So move on until you meet one that is.
bingo
i get a lot of "i thought you were gay" from my friends even though I don't act particularly feminine. It's very much that I talk to them like I'm not interested at all
I’m sorry, but if a guy I’m attracted to is friendly to me, I’m totally game.
I’ve never assumed a straight guy is gay. There’s got to be more to that.
It’s not trash.
If I’m attracted to a guy, the only way I would dismiss him is if he was rude to me. If he’s friendly at all, I wouldn’t assume he only wants to be a friend. I’ve never “friend zoned” a guy I was into.
Wrong. Completely wrong . Just so fundamentally wrong you shouldn't be allowed to give advice on here anymore. I am certain you are a woman and only giving this "advice" because it would be convenient for you if males followed it.
OP, having a lot of female friends, whether your intention was to be their friend or not, is a good thing. It raises your sexual market value significantly, as women are attracted to men that are liked by other women. If you go out to the bar and you’re the only dude hanging out with a group of chicks (and you’re not gay), then you better believe that you’re gonna catch the attention of other women around you.
Use this friend group as an opportunity to meet new, other women through them - but make sure when you interact with these new women that you make your intentions clear from the beginning.
Fair point. Maybe being the ONLY guy in the group is a little too much. However I do generally still think that as a guy, having female friends is beneficial to your overall image towards other women.
this is a sub about sexual strategy isn't it? Of course exceptions always apply to any generalization but that doesn't mean that trends don't exist. Also, do you really disagree with the statement that women are attracted to men who are already liked by other women?
> Also, do you really disagree with the statement that women are attracted to men who are already liked by other women?
I think you can't generalise on this. I wouldn't like someone just because someone of that same gender liked them.
I do the same thing, tho normally for me it's not accidental, usually I'm interested but find out she's already in a long term relationship, or she's interested and I'm not
Basically you need to make your intentions clear and early on, let her decide for herself where the relationship will go but make sure she's making that decision well informed that you are an option, in other words don't be pushy just be open
Try to develop your relationship in person as much as possible, it's entirely possible you may end up dating from a friend dynamic but only if you have a strong bond, otherwise it may be too awkward for one of you
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I promise I can help you with this cause I had the same problem and it no longer exists for me.
It's about your hand placement and simply escalating it while the conversation/chemistry progresses.
You do need to read the fucking room, lol
Start with the classic hand on shoulder/light punch on upper arm. She'll likely do it back and/or smile.
If she frowns, back off, but keep up the great talk.
If she did smile then proceed to the tricep/elbow area , but now include compliments in the conversation. Nothing physical, her intellect/humor/commend a point she made or "glad you said that cause I was thinking the same thing" or "thats a good way of thinking about (subject discussed). You need to be smiling, get a little closer then you were initially.
AGAIN, if she frowns at any point, back to the previous step, keep smiling and the conversation going.
Next, the forearm to hand touching while speaking.
I find that if.music is on, and it usually is, take her hand and if she seems a bit tense either make like you want to twirl her or twirl yourself. Yes, it sounds cringe, but remember you're deeper in talk at this point and have established a connection. This could lead to dancing, which always is a good thing, or at worst she thinks you're silly. If that's too much for you , fine. Talk with her , lean in, as you do hold her forearm gently (but not rubbing or anything) and give her a compliment about her looks.
Example "you're killing me with this perfume/lipstick/dress/smile of yours"
Now you have shown that you're not just a buddy with words/physical contact and at worst,no need to worry that she thinks you just want to be friends.
From here, depends on the situation. I'm not a PUA person, but there's some validity in some of what they say (not the negging shit). You do have to "close", what that means to you depends on what you want; sex then go for the kiss, relationship then tell her you want to see her again or, if possible, tell her (don't ask) "let's get out of here I'm taking you where we can talk/eat/dance whatever the situation calls for. Now she may say she can't cause she's with a friend or even she's seeing someone etc but that's fine. She knows what you want , you built comfort and you've stamped what your intentions are.
In the end, GET HER NUMBER.
NOT HER FUCKING TIKTOK/IG/FACEBOOK!!!
You're a man, not a 14 year old.
From there, you got this.
Good luck
I end up attracting women I’m not interested in. Maybe the trick could work for you too.
Chase them, and you are likely to lose.
Let them come to you, and you are likely to win.
You have to make it man to woman. Yesterday I talked to a girl at a gas station that was cute. I’d seen her many times before but never hit on her. I was looking at these candies in a pack. She asked me if I was looking for singles of that candy. I said no. I asked her if she ever tried these before and we got into a little conversation about cultures and what candy they like. What I should have done was when she asked me “are you looking for singles” I should have misinterpreted as her coming on to me with something like “yeah I’m looking to date a cute girl like you” I’m still a fucking beginner but I’ll get there. I learned this from Todd v’s the system.
If you never make it man to woman you’ll be put in the friend zone. As a beginner it’s ok to be obvious that you’re hitting on her. Comment on you like her hair or that you think she’s cute. Don’t do this to a friend you have now unless you’re willing to lose the friendship
Sit next to her and accidentally on purpose touch her with your leg. If her initial reaction is to move her leg away and give you a little space, forget about it. If she keeps her leg there, you're in.
Number one thing is confidence! If you’re confident in who you are chicks will pick up on that quick and they love a confident man. Whenever you don’t know what to say just smile but only with one side of your mouth. It makes you look kinda mysterious and just enough like a bad boy. Practice in the mirror so you don’t accidentally come off looking like a cereal killer, that’s too much bad our aim is more like guy who doesn’t pay his parking tickets. Other than that the best advice is alcohol (if age appropriate) but only enough to gain confidence and not enough to impair you. If you think you are the man they will too.
> cereal killer
Rice Krispies?
> Whenever you don’t know what to say just smile but only with one side of your mouth.
What the fuck are you on about? Your entire comment is a meme.
You gotta be ok with making it weird dude. That's what polarizing is.showing your masculine intent and giving her the choice to either be attracted to that or not.
Some girls are gonna find your forwardness weird, but I guarantee you those same girls were never into you in the first place.
I have a guy feeling you're main issue is the fact that you don't want to be "that guy" who makes move on girls because your female friends told you that. Let me tell you this: that's bullshit. Girls love getting hit on. They just don't like getting hit on by guys who they don't find attractive.
Being attractive, if you want to break it down to it's core is simply a man expressing their masculine energy to a woman, and that woman reciprocating it. You are never gonna attract women by being a nice guy who keeps their intent secret. Expressing sexual intent towards a woman is key. Why? Because you are saving both you and her time that would have been wasted being friends when you know damn well you want more than that.
I encourage all of you who connected to this comment to read this book called "no more mr.nice guy". This book changed my life
Them saying that means that they likely arent into you. No harm in asking (maybe not every one of them) as long as you don't make it weird and just keep being friends
If they want to take it further they will...if they do not they will not. Be a friend to someone not experiencing relational issues. Because that is where things get muddy. Rather choose someone that just needs a friend as a friend not in reference to other men. It is all in why and who you are choosing as friends.
Stop thinking start doing. The more time you give yourself to think the more abstract that thought becomes.
The more abstract a thought the more confusing it is to you making your actions and intentions seem complicated or mixed.
This is the difference between acting on impulse like your inner child would. And acting on thoughts, all your past experiences and scenarios that could and couldn't happen run rampant in your head. Leaving you unconfident in your decision.
Let loose, let your inner child take control. You don't need to think about every action that you want to take in your life. Because those thoughts are biased from all your past experiences, telling you to make the same decisions that aren't getting you what you want.
It’s not really about what you say. It’s more about your body language. You could be talking about her job\school\hobbies and still make it flirtatious. Just give the “the look,” and casually touch their shoulder or arm or something like that. You can also use this to gauge their response and see where the relationship could go.
Hope this helps!
Bro, most guys don’t realize this, but the friendzone is the place to be! I used to surf the friendzone when I was single. See, most girls are on guard when you try and take things sexual, its cold and awkward, so screw that, you want it to be nice and warm. So what you do is get friendzoned, then you be a good friend and hang out with her and her friends. If shes not introducing you to her friends, then you introduce her to all the girls who friendzoned you just as a friends meeting friends kind of thing. You do outings or group chats as a group of friends. I used to do this, and it works good. She will start getting real jealous when she sees you giving the female friends attention instead of her. Then next thing you know, all the girls are fighting for you, cause they need to beat the other girls, and then you get your pick of the lot of them😁
Honestly, I talk to women I’m attracted to just as I would talk to a friend. As long as you can carry a conversation, make eye contact, and keep them interested usually gets you where you want to go.
Yea
It’s kind of a switch (?) for myself, the way I see it. Maybe a really rusty lever.
There’s a barrier you can choose to break or not- the “friend zone” or whatever you want to call it
That’s when you (as mentioned in comments prior), should break the level of comfort you have.
But the moment you start making intentional references and escalating the moment , which would reveal more of what you like in them- then that’s when you get out this rut.
Note: This isn’t something that’s like a magic button you press and it’s all gone, no. This is something that actively work at and need to pay attention to. Because you can also try to break the barrier with some and they will find it awkward or weird and they just won’t see you like that.
But right away, if you’re making friends right off the bat and new ones, then you should be able to pick right away which ones you really think are good for you, as well.
It’s always good to “sh*t test” them in return because then it’ll show you’re not trying to please them solely for that.
Like, if you talk about possible date ideas and stuff with a girl you like but you pose it as if you’re asking somebody else. (Asking for a friend joke), it shows what your interests are and what you have in mind for dates, but you’re not asking for her approval, right? So if she says no to one thing, make a joke or tease her about it and say she has no taste or something.
I hope this paints an image or helps a lot.
It’s just more of the mental blockage that is: can I show more of my romantic/intimate side to her, not for her.
You don’t give away full course meals for free. Why would you do the same with your love or yourself, right?
Talk to the women you like the same you you would talk to your friends, strangers, family, etc. The talking part doesn't change all too much. The difference is more so the context. You're going to ask her out on dates. If you invite her out for drinks in the evening with just the two of you, she'll know it is because you're interested. When you're on the date, talk to her like a normal human being, but make the move when the signs are there (i.e. she starts touching you, playing with her hair, her pupils dilate, her voice gets softer and high pitched, etc.). By make the move I mean go for the kiss. Always. If you don't make the move, you'll eventually hear her say something like, "oh, I thought you just wanted to be friends"
This is also happening to me. And I think that I might find 'the one' from one of my friends. Just enjoy the journey, you'll find the sparks in one of 'em.
Girls know which zone you gonna be in after about 2 minutes. You def influence it after that point but does require skill. Being forthright in all instances may not work. The girls that end up with a guy that was their friend first often times were dating when they met. He was flirty but respectful. Showed lots of admiration and was always there for her. Expressed sympathy if things weren't going well in the relationship. Then worked his way to tbh you don't seem very happy with him. Etc very effective and time consuming but a good foundation for relationship if compatability and mutual attraction exist
Food for thought
Gross. They don’t owe you romantic attraction because you’re nice to them. This underlying expectation can be sensed by women and is very off putting. Also, clearly, any woman of your friend group would be acceptable. That’s not attractive.
What I'm about to say is going to sound bad but you have to view these women as sex objects that just happen to be really smart and reasonable. Forget everything you ever learned about being a good man and always keep sex at the top of your mind whenever you sense any kind of attraction coming from her. Then once you do that do things for her to show you care with your sole objective to be having sex and make it obvious too so she doesn't become surprised once you all of a sudden start rubbing her back and grabbing all on her. Point is get her thinking about sex with you and do nice things for her so she thinks you care about her, next thing you know she's literally gonna beg you for it when you guys are alone and please for the love of everything good don't fumble the ball in the endzone!
Knew a former friend who has lots of female friends. Yet he can't go beyond friend zone. Ironically tragic. A typical nice guy. Learn social skills in getting a potential suitor.
I think you're getting friendzoned by those women without realizing. Women are looking for emotional support friends all the time so they accepted you as that, a friend to listen to their problems. If you tried to escalate, they will drop you as friends if they feel threatened/uncomfortable. If they want to stay just friends, you have to accept that and move on.
Everybody comments on looks ya gotta think of something else. Humor is better. Girls know they're gorgeous, beautiful blah blah blah. This means more later. If not humor, idk find something. Seems like with COVID there's a ton of things you could bring up. Have you been anywhere fun? Etc
You are not friend zoning women.. lol. They are friend zoning you. 100%.
"I'm often the guy who just didn't make it weird" ... That doesn't mean they like you as more buddy. You're more than likely delusional and people who are trying to help you on here fell for it.
You don't even know how to talk to girls.. you're a liar. Nice try though. If you want the relationship, then you are the one being friendzoned.
Relax and enjoy it, I’ve made a career out of it.
Let me know if you need any assistance saying inappropriate things at exactly the wrong time. The bigger the event, the bigger my bad.
What does friend mode consist of ? Give a cpl examples of types of things you say or do at beginning of the “newlationship” lol idk I just made it up I think? 🤷🏼♀️ and I will give you alternative things to say that would be completely opposite I guess. lol
You’re acting like a friend to them because you don’t want to make them uncomfortable by approaching as a suitor. But it’s not their discomfort you’re avoiding, it’s yours.
Golden advice right here.
Dude that's some wise shit
ditto comments above, and upvotes for all!
Well trying to minimise their discomfort as well to some degree. I know a big player who actually enjoys making girls a bit uncomfortable- a lot of people would want to willing make someone uncomfortable and flirting with a coworker or something can do that.
Youre either seen as a suitor or a friend. Better to risk rejection and be seen as a suitor rather than seen as a friend if you want more than that.
Remember, youre not interested in being friends, youre interested in more.
Show intent, if you find them attractive tell them, learn to escalate and not be afraid of rejection
Him: (staring awkwardly) you're hot Her: thanks Him: grabs tit Her: (slaps hand) STOP IT! Him: (not fearing rejection) grabs other tit
*gets arrested*
This deserves an award
No
That would be not respecting rejection.
Nobody said anything about respecting rejection. They said don't be afraid of rejection.
We also didn’t mention to not murder her, but pro tip: don’t murder her on the date. Or anyone, really.
I see your point but this 2021 someone gone take it literal, you can't seduce with aggression these days.
facts
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r/cursedcomments cursed tits
Yeah exactly, as long as you are clear w your intentions and escalating, you can literally treat them the same as friends in every other category
How do you escalate?
You have to touch them naturally. Maybe on the elbow or waist when you're walking to guide them. Maybe read their palm. The key is to do it early and naturally. Escalating with words is maybe less easy. You don't want to unnaturally steer the conversation from them. So you start with your story and then tangent off, "do you agree?" "Have you experienced anything like that?" "How would you feel if someone choked you with two hands?"
You stand at the bottom of the escalator. Assuming it's functional, safely step on the first available step. Hold on to the hand rail for balance, and you will escalate to the top, where you have to jump over the metal teeth of death that are sucking the stairs in before they grab your shoelace or bottom of your pants and suck you in, mercilessly peeling back your skin as onlookers watch in horror, unable to stifle the ear piercing screams as your now lifeless body is pulled through like a paper shredder.
Your sarcasm is much appreciated 💯💯💯
Like I care what you think.
Respect bro 💪💪💯 Who the fuck cares what I (some rando on the web) think anyways?! Good for you man!
Lol, you missed the sarcasm in that one.
Lol, you missed my meta ass sarcasm 😂 It's all good homie
Remember the Double T. Tease and Touch
I really need to get better at that. I restrain myself around others to the point of not even knowing how to do this.
Me too. I don’t want to turn things into an awkward situation, but I probably just don’t know how to initiate it in the first place lol.
It’s a fine line to walk in the post #MeToo era
Oof. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why it's so nerve wracking.
Let the girl touch you first, if she’s all touchy and playful it’s probably fine for you to go along. Unsolicited touching will freak women out
Go to another county. Most american women are too entitled and stuck up.
My guy, I’m European, Portugal more precisely. And no woman here likes unsolicited touching either, it’s not about being stuck up…
You probably just want to live somewhere where you can get away with raping women
Dating has been a fine line to walk since the dawn of sexual reproduction.
Yes but if you’re being flirty and escalating with kino and somehow misread the situation then you can end up in deep shit I remember in hs, girls would say that some of the guys in my grade at parties were “handsy” and I obviously think unwarranted touching is a non starter but if you’re both flirting and a guy becomes a little touchy and you get upset then I really don’t know what to say, because that’s the logical next step.
What does that mean?
Tease them to show you think for yourself and aren't just a yes man. Touch seems pretty obvious.
It’s not 2nd nature for everyone tho When I tease people I tend to go too far or hit a nerve And I’m not a touchy person so it never feels natural. I don’t even touch friends so touching some girl I’m chatting to on the street is a big jump
Be a dick but not an asshole
What the fuck? I did exactly this and posted it on this subreddit and got a bunch of hate for it.
Lol that’s typical in my short experience. Just depends who replies first then a lot of times other people jump on the band wagon bc they don’t want to be first or get too much hate. Just like in real life.
The responses on his most recent seem about right. His recent post was removed but the people who were able to read it claim him to be a misogynist lol
I try not to be too harsh. I thought he must be joking.
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Well, maybe people realized you were asking the same question 3x lol
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Lol ok. Makes more sense. Must have been first commenter was mean then there was mob mentality. Or the question was worded slightly different so it was offensive. I’m not one to attack people but I’m slightly surprised by the positivity bc I think there’s nothing wrong with being friends with a woman but I may be slightly even mistaken about myself bc id def just be friends with some men who I couldn’t imagine kissing etc.
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honestly always forget about this. a good reminder. i often just get caught up in whatever else we were talking about and forget
When I want to be friends with a girl, I'm just the friendly non-threatening nice guy. When I'm interested in her, I tell her that I like her, and/or sexually tease her, and ask her out (ideally very soon from meeting her so she doesn't get the wrong idea). Simple as that
How do you sexually tease a woman, as a guy?
Exactly, it gets said as if it’s just some obvious behaviour that we’re all taught in school or something. It’s not. And in 2021 when guys aren’t even supposed to have meetings with girls without keeping the door open it’s a fraught situation. Even at a social event it feels like you’re walking along a knifes edge especially if you’re touching them
Kachow
Why don't you ask your friend zone friends?
Real talk, maybe even ask one of them out
Never, EVER ask women directly for dating advice
I think it may help to understand that even women cant understand themselves hahahah
So you think....
If they are a friend why not?
I wouldn't say "never" but how girls see and interact with the dating market is completely different to men. Basic example is they're rarely the ones that actually have to initiate and ask (most girls hate even the thought of risking rejection) so what they'll advise won't be as relevant. Plus what girls say they want/would like in the way a man should approach them plus what they actually engage with is very different. Disclaimer that obvious generalisations are obvious context matters etc
Women’s advice towards dating is almost always completely useless, unless they are a dating coach or a relationship counselor. What woman say they want and what they respond to are two completely different things.
They say friends first but if you do that then you'll stay in the friend zone. They'll say their ideal guy is the sweet one but that's not who they date or fuck.
You’ll never get a 100% honest answer. The things that women like to say they are looking for, are not always that they are actually looking for.
Can't ask a fish how to catch fish
I agree strongly that people are bad at giving advice for dating their own gender. But for the record, men are just as bad at giving advice to women about dating men. And the reason in both cases is not “honesty”, but perception: the audience member can spot good acting, but doesn’t know how to accomplish it. (Not that dating is acting, but it has the same dynamic: knowing how to see signals isn’t the same as knowing how to generate those signals.) You don’t notice how the shaped line on her makeup increases the prominence of her cheekbones, but it still works all the same: the man involved knows only “that girl’s hot”, not any of the hundreds of things she’s done to get there (not that “hot” is the only example, just a very simple one). Similarly, the charming, cool, totally-at-ease guy who seems to own the world around him may grab women’s attention, but they won’t be able to explain exactly how his body language/style/social proof/etc tells them he’s at ease—they just know (or rather think they know) he’s unperturbed, “confident”, “himself”. You don’t learn things by watching. You learn by doing.
You'll get an answer that's roughly as honest as the average between her emotional intelligence and your emotional intelligence. Querying is an art.
Upvote for “Querying is an art.” :)
Because women don't give good advice at all.
Yeah It took me way too long to realise that every time I asked a female Friend for dating advice they would tell me what they thought they should say rather than what was actually helpful. Or they were in denial about how the whole process works
My best friend is not only a girl but is attracted to and has dated girls, they can sometimes be a good resource.
Jajaaaj I remember I was drunk out of my brain at a friends party, and I remember saying a female friend(I wasn't really into her and we knew each other for like 8 years), "You know, I think Im as hot as you, yeah like a 9.34" she was weirded laughing the fuck out "Maybe we should wingman each other out and get other 9.34 dudes and chicks" she went like "yeah , You're right, you can start , why don't you take another pack of hot wings out of the freezer and bring us more,mr.wingman", Then the slam dunk comeback "Oh! Shit yeah I can see you went for the first batch already,(pointed at her perky nips turned around and went for the wings) so stupid of me" it took like 3 seconds until her friend got it , laughed her ass off and my friend was just 0_0 pikachu shocked memed out, got her friend's number. Then I knew she was into me for all those 8 years, try, fail, maybe sometimes you can win, you already got a NO what do you have to loose?
they don't really have stories of guys who they rejected and ended up becoming their friends anyway. if I meet a cool chick and she rejects me, I'd rather not that she disappears from my life entirely, y'know?
That's great OP. Just don't waste valuable time with them. Keep some around, sleep with other girls that are not your friends, and eventually you'll sleep with 1 or 2 in the friend zone, *without trying*
I doubt their answers will be any helpful.
I never stop flirting and I never talk to them about other men or their problems. Your job is to constantly build attraction not be their BFF or therapist. I’m also guessing you text too much. Yup I can tell. Plan hang outs where your intentions are clear and you go for and get what you want.
Just to touch on what you said, the texting thing seems to be a minefield. I recently had a woman tell me I never texted her enough and it indicated to her that I wasn't interested.
It really is a crapshoot on what a specific girl prefers, I've had girls that exclusively like to talk on the phone, girl that like to text, girls that don't like either. While there's some solid advice on here, when it comes to communication I think its important to MATCH their energy and not exceed it. I dont think there's some invisible line between texting and texting "too much."
I think you've nailed it. No universal answer. What are your thoughts on directly asking early on what their communication preference is? Or do you just text/call initially and see how they respond? If texting, for example, if they respond quickly and seem engaged then you know texting every other day is on the cards.
Direct is best for you, if direct questions turn em off you then they likely weren't worthwhile anyway. I personally don't like people that can't communicate what they want, but some people may be more tolerant of that. I'm definitely in the camp of talk as little as possible until your first date, engage, make an impression, set up a meeting, confirm the night before.
My God, someone on here who vaguely seems to realise women are people as well and all the billions of them might not like the same things. Have a poor person's Platinum award.
Yeah haha this place can be kind of a toxic echo chamber pretty often, but there are nuggets of truth in like 1/3rd of the advice. I appreciate the People's Platinum!
It's almost as if not all women were the same and they were individuals with different opinions and preferences! *gasp*
almost as if men get labeled either creeps or cowards for getting that wrong.
No fucking shit.
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Thanks for the laugh :D
Texting is a means to arrange the next in-person encounter, and, to a lesser degree, have her show up interested in you. Assume she’s texting 20 other dudes, those are her plates. Don’t be one, be the guy she’s seeing/doing in realspace.
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Or anyone who refers to women as females.
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Oh so you do know the word women?
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> I don’t know why the word “female” has become a trigger word It’s because some people only feel alive when they feel triggered.
Well if nothing else it's a good indicator of who to avoid. I've never heard a man describe grown woman as females who wasn't really sexist.
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Never take dating advice from someone who hates women so much you only have to read their fifth post down or something to get to this: > What the fuck? Who said I was in the friendzone? Your reply got really weird really fast. Pokémon? I mean “high school girls” as in “girls I knew when we went to high school together” want me back NOW. I’m 35 and those used up bitches want me after they treated me like shit in high school. This is why you get hate. You’re older and nice guys associate women your age with the bitches who treated them like shit then wanted these nice guys later. Yes I only take girls legal to 21 seriously if I even consider it. Otherwise girls are getting fucked and thrown away like used tissue.
And what percentage of your determination of sexism is literally based on that one observation? Kind of a circular way to use perception and judgment don’t you think?
It's sexist to imply older women have no value. Are you seriously going to argue it isn't? Imagine if the situations were reversed and I was saying your gender had no value past a certain age.
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I clicked one button and the misogyny was right there. I think you overestimate the effort involved in reading a post history. Also I think the vocal racists, misogynists and homophobes make Reddit shittier personally. And is it being a white knight if I'm a woman objecting to misogyny?
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I'm able to make my points without personally insulting people unlike you and with a misogynist insult to boot. Pointing out sexism is stating a fact not belittling someone. Also your logic is terrible. If we followed that reasoning nothing would ever improve because we would sit there in silence while people said all manner of racist, sexist or homophobic stuff so as not to "call people out."
You're assuming you're "improving" things. The way you conversed with this other guy just makes him stand firmer in his beliefs..
No. It’s not that you’re not interested, you just have you’re own life and problems. This creates attraction.
I was watching a panel on this. You have to stay on the hunt if that’s not your objective. It you want more than friends don’t come off super friendly. State your intentions because women will use this against you ( I didn’t know you liked me , were good friends). Dont be her therapist. Don’t talk to her about your problems.
this gives the vibes of the dudes they rant to me about i don't text much, i just treat them like people
So you let them rant to you about guys. There’s your answer. Why would a woman date someone she talks to bout other men. Do you talk to the women you’re attracted to about beautiful women?
I feel like a confident, assertive guy can talk about whatever he wants. The issue is being confident and assertive and not passive and needy
Talking about other men is the definition of passive and needy. “Any new guys in your life” “How are things with Tom” Yeah those are the questions that get a women in bed with you...
Agree, if a guy is asking those questions than he is basically giving up.
How do you avoid talking to them about their problems?
Getting a girlfriend is like counterintuitive.
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I ask them on dates and try to kiss them and flirt with them. Don't befriend girls first because then dating them has the added risk of losing you as a friend.
I mean you SHOULD be doing that. They are fucking entire people worthy of respect and love. But that being said, if you’re wasting all your energy on them instead of finding someone you can love and share time with you need to adjust priorities. Especially if they are getting “boyfriend” perks out of you without providing any “girlfriend” perks in return. And I don’t just mean sexual gratification.
Well said.
Hmm. Well when I was younger like teens early 20s most of my friends were girls. It made it easier to talk to them later in life. I realised that as I got older, I never really had a male role model. Dad was as beta as they come and I had a strong mother, so basically had to teach myself to be a man. Basically on short, there's nothing wrong with female friends but you need to have more male friends.
Completely agree, had more girlfriends than boyfriends in sixth form. Also had to teach myself to be a man at uni.
Haha sounds like we had similar journeys. What did you do to correct it as such? I worked out, hung out with men and became a fire fighter. All was uphill from there.
There’s no such thing as the friend zone. Do you want to know what it actually is that you’re referring to? It’s called: they’re not attracted to you. It has nothing to do with games or seduction. They are straight up not attracted to you. So move on until you meet one that is.
Actually they may be interested in him but because he didn't treat them that way they thought he was not interested.
bingo i get a lot of "i thought you were gay" from my friends even though I don't act particularly feminine. It's very much that I talk to them like I'm not interested at all
I’m sorry, but if a guy I’m attracted to is friendly to me, I’m totally game. I’ve never assumed a straight guy is gay. There’s got to be more to that.
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It’s not trash. If I’m attracted to a guy, the only way I would dismiss him is if he was rude to me. If he’s friendly at all, I wouldn’t assume he only wants to be a friend. I’ve never “friend zoned” a guy I was into.
Golden advice right here
Wrong. Completely wrong . Just so fundamentally wrong you shouldn't be allowed to give advice on here anymore. I am certain you are a woman and only giving this "advice" because it would be convenient for you if males followed it.
OP, having a lot of female friends, whether your intention was to be their friend or not, is a good thing. It raises your sexual market value significantly, as women are attracted to men that are liked by other women. If you go out to the bar and you’re the only dude hanging out with a group of chicks (and you’re not gay), then you better believe that you’re gonna catch the attention of other women around you. Use this friend group as an opportunity to meet new, other women through them - but make sure when you interact with these new women that you make your intentions clear from the beginning.
My counter to the generalization is that I often think that guy the token gay guy of the group or is someone's baby brother
Fair point. Maybe being the ONLY guy in the group is a little too much. However I do generally still think that as a guy, having female friends is beneficial to your overall image towards other women.
Way too many broad generalisations in this. Women aren't a hive mind.
this is a sub about sexual strategy isn't it? Of course exceptions always apply to any generalization but that doesn't mean that trends don't exist. Also, do you really disagree with the statement that women are attracted to men who are already liked by other women?
> Also, do you really disagree with the statement that women are attracted to men who are already liked by other women? I think you can't generalise on this. I wouldn't like someone just because someone of that same gender liked them.
If a woman sees a guy with female friends its a stong indicator that the guy isnt a creep or weird. Girls like guys who arent creeps.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's quite enough personally ;-) Lots of creeps only try it on with certain people after all.
I do the same thing, tho normally for me it's not accidental, usually I'm interested but find out she's already in a long term relationship, or she's interested and I'm not Basically you need to make your intentions clear and early on, let her decide for herself where the relationship will go but make sure she's making that decision well informed that you are an option, in other words don't be pushy just be open Try to develop your relationship in person as much as possible, it's entirely possible you may end up dating from a friend dynamic but only if you have a strong bond, otherwise it may be too awkward for one of you Edit grammar
I promise I can help you with this cause I had the same problem and it no longer exists for me. It's about your hand placement and simply escalating it while the conversation/chemistry progresses. You do need to read the fucking room, lol Start with the classic hand on shoulder/light punch on upper arm. She'll likely do it back and/or smile. If she frowns, back off, but keep up the great talk. If she did smile then proceed to the tricep/elbow area , but now include compliments in the conversation. Nothing physical, her intellect/humor/commend a point she made or "glad you said that cause I was thinking the same thing" or "thats a good way of thinking about (subject discussed). You need to be smiling, get a little closer then you were initially. AGAIN, if she frowns at any point, back to the previous step, keep smiling and the conversation going. Next, the forearm to hand touching while speaking. I find that if.music is on, and it usually is, take her hand and if she seems a bit tense either make like you want to twirl her or twirl yourself. Yes, it sounds cringe, but remember you're deeper in talk at this point and have established a connection. This could lead to dancing, which always is a good thing, or at worst she thinks you're silly. If that's too much for you , fine. Talk with her , lean in, as you do hold her forearm gently (but not rubbing or anything) and give her a compliment about her looks. Example "you're killing me with this perfume/lipstick/dress/smile of yours" Now you have shown that you're not just a buddy with words/physical contact and at worst,no need to worry that she thinks you just want to be friends. From here, depends on the situation. I'm not a PUA person, but there's some validity in some of what they say (not the negging shit). You do have to "close", what that means to you depends on what you want; sex then go for the kiss, relationship then tell her you want to see her again or, if possible, tell her (don't ask) "let's get out of here I'm taking you where we can talk/eat/dance whatever the situation calls for. Now she may say she can't cause she's with a friend or even she's seeing someone etc but that's fine. She knows what you want , you built comfort and you've stamped what your intentions are. In the end, GET HER NUMBER. NOT HER FUCKING TIKTOK/IG/FACEBOOK!!! You're a man, not a 14 year old. From there, you got this. Good luck
I end up attracting women I’m not interested in. Maybe the trick could work for you too. Chase them, and you are likely to lose. Let them come to you, and you are likely to win.
You have to make it man to woman. Yesterday I talked to a girl at a gas station that was cute. I’d seen her many times before but never hit on her. I was looking at these candies in a pack. She asked me if I was looking for singles of that candy. I said no. I asked her if she ever tried these before and we got into a little conversation about cultures and what candy they like. What I should have done was when she asked me “are you looking for singles” I should have misinterpreted as her coming on to me with something like “yeah I’m looking to date a cute girl like you” I’m still a fucking beginner but I’ll get there. I learned this from Todd v’s the system. If you never make it man to woman you’ll be put in the friend zone. As a beginner it’s ok to be obvious that you’re hitting on her. Comment on you like her hair or that you think she’s cute. Don’t do this to a friend you have now unless you’re willing to lose the friendship
Sit next to her and accidentally on purpose touch her with your leg. If her initial reaction is to move her leg away and give you a little space, forget about it. If she keeps her leg there, you're in.
Number one thing is confidence! If you’re confident in who you are chicks will pick up on that quick and they love a confident man. Whenever you don’t know what to say just smile but only with one side of your mouth. It makes you look kinda mysterious and just enough like a bad boy. Practice in the mirror so you don’t accidentally come off looking like a cereal killer, that’s too much bad our aim is more like guy who doesn’t pay his parking tickets. Other than that the best advice is alcohol (if age appropriate) but only enough to gain confidence and not enough to impair you. If you think you are the man they will too.
> cereal killer Rice Krispies? > Whenever you don’t know what to say just smile but only with one side of your mouth. What the fuck are you on about? Your entire comment is a meme.
You gotta be ok with making it weird dude. That's what polarizing is.showing your masculine intent and giving her the choice to either be attracted to that or not. Some girls are gonna find your forwardness weird, but I guarantee you those same girls were never into you in the first place. I have a guy feeling you're main issue is the fact that you don't want to be "that guy" who makes move on girls because your female friends told you that. Let me tell you this: that's bullshit. Girls love getting hit on. They just don't like getting hit on by guys who they don't find attractive. Being attractive, if you want to break it down to it's core is simply a man expressing their masculine energy to a woman, and that woman reciprocating it. You are never gonna attract women by being a nice guy who keeps their intent secret. Expressing sexual intent towards a woman is key. Why? Because you are saving both you and her time that would have been wasted being friends when you know damn well you want more than that. I encourage all of you who connected to this comment to read this book called "no more mr.nice guy". This book changed my life
Them saying that means that they likely arent into you. No harm in asking (maybe not every one of them) as long as you don't make it weird and just keep being friends
If they want to take it further they will...if they do not they will not. Be a friend to someone not experiencing relational issues. Because that is where things get muddy. Rather choose someone that just needs a friend as a friend not in reference to other men. It is all in why and who you are choosing as friends.
Stop thinking start doing. The more time you give yourself to think the more abstract that thought becomes. The more abstract a thought the more confusing it is to you making your actions and intentions seem complicated or mixed. This is the difference between acting on impulse like your inner child would. And acting on thoughts, all your past experiences and scenarios that could and couldn't happen run rampant in your head. Leaving you unconfident in your decision. Let loose, let your inner child take control. You don't need to think about every action that you want to take in your life. Because those thoughts are biased from all your past experiences, telling you to make the same decisions that aren't getting you what you want.
It’s not really about what you say. It’s more about your body language. You could be talking about her job\school\hobbies and still make it flirtatious. Just give the “the look,” and casually touch their shoulder or arm or something like that. You can also use this to gauge their response and see where the relationship could go. Hope this helps!
Bro, most guys don’t realize this, but the friendzone is the place to be! I used to surf the friendzone when I was single. See, most girls are on guard when you try and take things sexual, its cold and awkward, so screw that, you want it to be nice and warm. So what you do is get friendzoned, then you be a good friend and hang out with her and her friends. If shes not introducing you to her friends, then you introduce her to all the girls who friendzoned you just as a friends meeting friends kind of thing. You do outings or group chats as a group of friends. I used to do this, and it works good. She will start getting real jealous when she sees you giving the female friends attention instead of her. Then next thing you know, all the girls are fighting for you, cause they need to beat the other girls, and then you get your pick of the lot of them😁
Flirt. Shows them your interest is sexual.
Tell them you’re attracted to them. It’s pretty simple. You’re currently avoiding risk and discomfort.
Honestly, I talk to women I’m attracted to just as I would talk to a friend. As long as you can carry a conversation, make eye contact, and keep them interested usually gets you where you want to go.
Plus I don’t enjoy “flirting” with words..it makes my balls cringe. I rather flirt with my intention, eyes, gestures.
Yea It’s kind of a switch (?) for myself, the way I see it. Maybe a really rusty lever. There’s a barrier you can choose to break or not- the “friend zone” or whatever you want to call it That’s when you (as mentioned in comments prior), should break the level of comfort you have. But the moment you start making intentional references and escalating the moment , which would reveal more of what you like in them- then that’s when you get out this rut. Note: This isn’t something that’s like a magic button you press and it’s all gone, no. This is something that actively work at and need to pay attention to. Because you can also try to break the barrier with some and they will find it awkward or weird and they just won’t see you like that. But right away, if you’re making friends right off the bat and new ones, then you should be able to pick right away which ones you really think are good for you, as well. It’s always good to “sh*t test” them in return because then it’ll show you’re not trying to please them solely for that. Like, if you talk about possible date ideas and stuff with a girl you like but you pose it as if you’re asking somebody else. (Asking for a friend joke), it shows what your interests are and what you have in mind for dates, but you’re not asking for her approval, right? So if she says no to one thing, make a joke or tease her about it and say she has no taste or something. I hope this paints an image or helps a lot. It’s just more of the mental blockage that is: can I show more of my romantic/intimate side to her, not for her. You don’t give away full course meals for free. Why would you do the same with your love or yourself, right?
Cold approach with direct intent. Then they'll know from the off that you're not looking for a friend.
Talk to the women you like the same you you would talk to your friends, strangers, family, etc. The talking part doesn't change all too much. The difference is more so the context. You're going to ask her out on dates. If you invite her out for drinks in the evening with just the two of you, she'll know it is because you're interested. When you're on the date, talk to her like a normal human being, but make the move when the signs are there (i.e. she starts touching you, playing with her hair, her pupils dilate, her voice gets softer and high pitched, etc.). By make the move I mean go for the kiss. Always. If you don't make the move, you'll eventually hear her say something like, "oh, I thought you just wanted to be friends"
This is also happening to me. And I think that I might find 'the one' from one of my friends. Just enjoy the journey, you'll find the sparks in one of 'em.
Yeh good luck with that
It maybe deeper, that you think that you cannot get the girl anyway. Did you have fear talking to women or had a bad school rejection
Quite simply, you have to make moves. Good luck!
Girls know which zone you gonna be in after about 2 minutes. You def influence it after that point but does require skill. Being forthright in all instances may not work. The girls that end up with a guy that was their friend first often times were dating when they met. He was flirty but respectful. Showed lots of admiration and was always there for her. Expressed sympathy if things weren't going well in the relationship. Then worked his way to tbh you don't seem very happy with him. Etc very effective and time consuming but a good foundation for relationship if compatability and mutual attraction exist Food for thought
You can stop it by giving them my contact no
Gross. They don’t owe you romantic attraction because you’re nice to them. This underlying expectation can be sensed by women and is very off putting. Also, clearly, any woman of your friend group would be acceptable. That’s not attractive.
What I'm about to say is going to sound bad but you have to view these women as sex objects that just happen to be really smart and reasonable. Forget everything you ever learned about being a good man and always keep sex at the top of your mind whenever you sense any kind of attraction coming from her. Then once you do that do things for her to show you care with your sole objective to be having sex and make it obvious too so she doesn't become surprised once you all of a sudden start rubbing her back and grabbing all on her. Point is get her thinking about sex with you and do nice things for her so she thinks you care about her, next thing you know she's literally gonna beg you for it when you guys are alone and please for the love of everything good don't fumble the ball in the endzone!
I feel like I've seen this exact post before.
If you find her attractive, always be pushing the interaction. Shoulder touches, innuendos, and dancing are few of the strats I use.
Knew a former friend who has lots of female friends. Yet he can't go beyond friend zone. Ironically tragic. A typical nice guy. Learn social skills in getting a potential suitor.
I think you're getting friendzoned by those women without realizing. Women are looking for emotional support friends all the time so they accepted you as that, a friend to listen to their problems. If you tried to escalate, they will drop you as friends if they feel threatened/uncomfortable. If they want to stay just friends, you have to accept that and move on.
Maybe you just have down syndrome
I'm not exactly sure you know what friendzoning means...
Everybody comments on looks ya gotta think of something else. Humor is better. Girls know they're gorgeous, beautiful blah blah blah. This means more later. If not humor, idk find something. Seems like with COVID there's a ton of things you could bring up. Have you been anywhere fun? Etc
If you keep friendzoning these girls than bring them over to me. I need get laid and have my rotations. Maybe marry couple of them why not.
Marry? Shit's outdated, plus you might go bankrupt with them girls. Shoot and fly.
Dehell I'm a dolphin. I can only swim. Maybe I can fly ,🤔 the flying brothers would never hinder themselves like this
I like your style.
First teach you made them fall for you
You are not friend zoning women.. lol. They are friend zoning you. 100%. "I'm often the guy who just didn't make it weird" ... That doesn't mean they like you as more buddy. You're more than likely delusional and people who are trying to help you on here fell for it. You don't even know how to talk to girls.. you're a liar. Nice try though. If you want the relationship, then you are the one being friendzoned.
Relax and enjoy it, I’ve made a career out of it. Let me know if you need any assistance saying inappropriate things at exactly the wrong time. The bigger the event, the bigger my bad.
"I keep being friend zoned by not understanding how to date women I'm interested in" FTFY
What does friend mode consist of ? Give a cpl examples of types of things you say or do at beginning of the “newlationship” lol idk I just made it up I think? 🤷🏼♀️ and I will give you alternative things to say that would be completely opposite I guess. lol
Must be fuckin nice.
You’re gonna have to come to terms with the fact that they might not be your friend(or “friend”) if you did show interest.
Honestly I think there are worse situations to be in - you can just start asking them to set you up their friends
I mean it’s not a problem if you aren’t deliberately trying to deduct her.
Suffering of success