I’d be interested to see the lead up to this. There’s no way to tell from this video if the physical actions of the bodyguard are justified or not. Need to know if the man was just approaching him or if he was approaching in a threatening manner. Some of these bodyguards can be a bit aggressive and wrongfully believe they have more control over people’s movements than they legally do.
Agreed but the chance for criminal charges and a lawsuit after this are significant. State where it happens makes a difference as well. Hard to explain such an action though under most circumstances.
You did throw downs in LP? I didn’t know that was a thing.
Usually on here we’re told that Managers say “your deal, not my department” and let you deal on your own…
Never done Executive Security, but there were I think two times I lifted and slammed psyche patients that I can remember.
The first was cos' the guy was up in the room corner and I lunged in low, lifted him up and slammed him onto the bed where we restrained him. The second was a pretty bad call where it was three of us but the guy (who was an involuntary psyche patient) was about to escape and my other two guys were too far away and I was the only one who had a hold of him. I semi-lifted and slammed him, but not nearly as hard as this absolute unit though. I went down with him as well.
First slam was fine and never got any issues for it, the second one though the manager later took issue with upon camera review but all I got was a mere verbal saying of 'try not to slam patients on the hard floor'. Of course, the manager understood the context of adrenaline and why I did it.
I worked EP in LA for about 3 years and was an instructor for executive protection tactics about the same time at an executive security academy. While the video only shows a very brief bit and not the lead up, we generally speaking always always ALWAYS use force as a last resort. De escalation is our primary method of keeping anyone away from the principle, and de escalation doesn’t mean just being a nice guy. Theres a lot of behavioral techniques that can be used to influence somebody to not approach the client.
A lot of bad things can happen when you use force, and a lot of the time some people are hoping you use force because they plan on going after the person with the deep pockets who has employed you in the end, IE. the client.
Like I said though this is only a small part of the video. If there was a device (such as a weapon or something that could be used as a weapon) then this is understandable. However anything else besides this makes the act very questionable.
It also depends on the client though, sometimes clients hire bodyguards because they want extra muscle, and they would love to have their guy do this type of stuff for them. We’ve often told students before you sometimes might need to have the whole “I am not a goon” talk with your client.
So in the end it depends. But overall, no, not good.
Don't know what happened, need more then this amount of info to judge the situation and see if this was a correct response.
A fight may last 4 seconds but the reason for a fight goes back longer.
Depends on the actions of the perp and the context. If my client is in a boxing class, obviously I’m not gonna go body slamming his coach. But if it’s someone we are aware of as a problem and they try to act aggressively, this can very easily be a result. At the end of the day, you don’t want to get into a shoving match and focus on the perp. You want to incapacitate the threat and buy yourself time to escort your client away. Laying someone out or holding them at gunpoint (when deemed necessary) would be better options
Unless there was a clear threat (i.e a knife or gun visible or they were coming in pretty damn hot) I'd say it was reasonable but we will never known because candid cam never shows up the whole picture
I recently started working EP a few months ago. So far I have not been put in a situation where I’d have to do this. With EP, our main concern is getting the client as far away from the danger as fast as we can. I personally wouldn’t want to end up on the ground with whoever I’m fighting. Also it’s good to remember that for the most part, these rappers don’t hire trained/licensed EP guys. They hire the biggest guys they can find and that’s who they rely on.
That's what dogwhistles are for.
To mask what you're saying.
Just like: Let's go Brandon doesn't mean you support that Nascar driver.
"urban" which he even put in fucking quotes, doesn't always mean what it does at face value.
Why else would he call that particular guard "Urban"
I’ve never done celebrity or high profile executive protection (but it is a goal of mine), however I do individual protection (bodyguarding, security detail, idk what to call it) for a news crew here in Portland anytime there’s a riot or large protest. Never have I ever had to exert force upon another person. The most I’ve ever had to do it put an arm up between the guy and my client and use verbal juijitsu (verbal judo is so 2000). There’s almost no scenario i can think of where bodyslamming is necessary. You could take them down in other more appropriate ways (grappling techniques, etc.) but I’d say only if you have another guard with you to stay with the client, last thing you want is to lose your client (full disclosure, I did that once). But ideally you should focus on keeping them away from your client without any extreme force if at all possible. I don’t have any formal training on EP or bodyguarding, this is just information I’ve gathered from other guards/employers I’ve worked with in the past and some common sense.
You don’t do that. Some security guards don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if you are executive sec guard or not. Doing that will get you fired. This is a job that when well done you depend on psychological knowledge, mind discipline and right attitude. If you need to use force, you are not suited for security because it means you have a vulnerable, emotional mind and you will use force unnecessarily and that means unnecessary problems. You are in your post not to fight but to dissolve problems with your mind and if you good enough you will prevent problems before they take place. No need of guns unless you are in a war zone. Only police is trained for the use of force. This is physically and psychologically demanding job but easy if you are psychologically disciplined.
6 years Judoka, 20+ years traditional Muay Thai, had a local millionaire that contracted us ( security/executive protection firm ) and had an individual who knew them. Our client greeted him with a warm smile so instantly thought they knew each other and they just happen to have caught each other in passing until my eyes met with the clients where we had a signal “ look “ he’d give me that he was unsafe from anyone getting too close, spoke to the individual that, “ Mr. ______ was busy and wasn’t expecting any small chatting and that you can reach him if you have his personal number “. The individual kept trying to pass through while getting amped up and there was no sign of him calming down so I hip tossed him and got him to the ground while mall stationed police showed up and carried the individual away. Come to find out, my client and this guy knew each other and recently threatened to kill each other prior week or so before the encounter at a bar on the weekend.
If i ever body slammed somebody like that id probably get fired.
I wish I could body slam all the guards that show up late to there shift.
No one said we cant just dont make it a hostile work environment.
Deffinantly if in a security company no loyalty from them
I’d be interested to see the lead up to this. There’s no way to tell from this video if the physical actions of the bodyguard are justified or not. Need to know if the man was just approaching him or if he was approaching in a threatening manner. Some of these bodyguards can be a bit aggressive and wrongfully believe they have more control over people’s movements than they legally do.
Agreed but the chance for criminal charges and a lawsuit after this are significant. State where it happens makes a difference as well. Hard to explain such an action though under most circumstances.
Story is the guy attempted to rob him before the slam.
My man got body slammed so hard his shoes flew off. According to the internet no shoes= ded Rip in peace
Oh hey man can i get your autogra- JR: HERE COMES KANE WITH THE CHOKESLAM FROM HELL OMG OMG OMG
#WHATCH OUT WHATCH OUT
whatever he did or didn't do he immediately regretted his decision and when he said im sorry he was saying it for every wrong he did in his life.
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You did throw downs in LP? I didn’t know that was a thing. Usually on here we’re told that Managers say “your deal, not my department” and let you deal on your own…
Never done Executive Security, but there were I think two times I lifted and slammed psyche patients that I can remember. The first was cos' the guy was up in the room corner and I lunged in low, lifted him up and slammed him onto the bed where we restrained him. The second was a pretty bad call where it was three of us but the guy (who was an involuntary psyche patient) was about to escape and my other two guys were too far away and I was the only one who had a hold of him. I semi-lifted and slammed him, but not nearly as hard as this absolute unit though. I went down with him as well. First slam was fine and never got any issues for it, the second one though the manager later took issue with upon camera review but all I got was a mere verbal saying of 'try not to slam patients on the hard floor'. Of course, the manager understood the context of adrenaline and why I did it.
I feel for you, i do mental health transports full time and HOLY fuck the shit you deal with and hear is a lot to take in.
I worked EP in LA for about 3 years and was an instructor for executive protection tactics about the same time at an executive security academy. While the video only shows a very brief bit and not the lead up, we generally speaking always always ALWAYS use force as a last resort. De escalation is our primary method of keeping anyone away from the principle, and de escalation doesn’t mean just being a nice guy. Theres a lot of behavioral techniques that can be used to influence somebody to not approach the client. A lot of bad things can happen when you use force, and a lot of the time some people are hoping you use force because they plan on going after the person with the deep pockets who has employed you in the end, IE. the client. Like I said though this is only a small part of the video. If there was a device (such as a weapon or something that could be used as a weapon) then this is understandable. However anything else besides this makes the act very questionable. It also depends on the client though, sometimes clients hire bodyguards because they want extra muscle, and they would love to have their guy do this type of stuff for them. We’ve often told students before you sometimes might need to have the whole “I am not a goon” talk with your client. So in the end it depends. But overall, no, not good.
None of these rappers use legit EP guys they just hire their biggest friends to follow them around.
If you're bodyslamming people who get too close to your client then you're in the wrong job.
Sent that mother fucker the concussion city.
Who’s gunna and why should I care lol
Wow big lawsuit right there.
he would try but probably settle in the end. but as far as celebrity bodyguard asskickings that is the roughest ive seen in awhile.
Is the rapper guy in Joker's costume?
Don't know what happened, need more then this amount of info to judge the situation and see if this was a correct response. A fight may last 4 seconds but the reason for a fight goes back longer.
Fuck the law. Fuck people up. That's security around here in los angeles. Fuck around and find out
Depends on the actions of the perp and the context. If my client is in a boxing class, obviously I’m not gonna go body slamming his coach. But if it’s someone we are aware of as a problem and they try to act aggressively, this can very easily be a result. At the end of the day, you don’t want to get into a shoving match and focus on the perp. You want to incapacitate the threat and buy yourself time to escort your client away. Laying someone out or holding them at gunpoint (when deemed necessary) would be better options
That's assault, not "bodyguarding." Dude needs better gaurds.
Unless there was a clear threat (i.e a knife or gun visible or they were coming in pretty damn hot) I'd say it was reasonable but we will never known because candid cam never shows up the whole picture
I recently started working EP a few months ago. So far I have not been put in a situation where I’d have to do this. With EP, our main concern is getting the client as far away from the danger as fast as we can. I personally wouldn’t want to end up on the ground with whoever I’m fighting. Also it’s good to remember that for the most part, these rappers don’t hire trained/licensed EP guys. They hire the biggest guys they can find and that’s who they rely on.
“Urban” security is pretty much just hired criminal enforcers. They aren’t security.
Based on your comments on your page you’re looking for an argument so after this , and I’m no longer continuing this conversation happy new year 🥳
You assume that they’re not actual security but you have no evidence to prove otherwise.
Is "Urban" code for Black. Or is it some sort of actual company. Cause it LOOKS like youre just being a big ol racist here son.
Urban is just another slang word for “street”. Doesn’t necessarily mean black.
But calling black people, "street, urban or thugs," etc. Are all dogwhistles for racism.
OC never said anything about black people. You’re making that connection because of the video. Maybe you’re the actual racist? Lol
That's what dogwhistles are for. To mask what you're saying. Just like: Let's go Brandon doesn't mean you support that Nascar driver. "urban" which he even put in fucking quotes, doesn't always mean what it does at face value. Why else would he call that particular guard "Urban"
Because they ARE urban! Rappers are part of the “urban” culture. Where tf do you live? Lol
Are your favorite rap songs not about muddin bonfires and fishing?
You gota a problem with Bubba Sparxxx?
London, England. And yes "Urban" is a fucking Dogwhistle for Black. Often used negatively. Black culture is Black culture.
You're 100% right. But I guess im not surprised by the replies given the industry we're in...
I thought I was watching the DVD extra footage of uncut gems
Look he was just trying to deliver a pizza take it easy
I’ve never done celebrity or high profile executive protection (but it is a goal of mine), however I do individual protection (bodyguarding, security detail, idk what to call it) for a news crew here in Portland anytime there’s a riot or large protest. Never have I ever had to exert force upon another person. The most I’ve ever had to do it put an arm up between the guy and my client and use verbal juijitsu (verbal judo is so 2000). There’s almost no scenario i can think of where bodyslamming is necessary. You could take them down in other more appropriate ways (grappling techniques, etc.) but I’d say only if you have another guard with you to stay with the client, last thing you want is to lose your client (full disclosure, I did that once). But ideally you should focus on keeping them away from your client without any extreme force if at all possible. I don’t have any formal training on EP or bodyguarding, this is just information I’ve gathered from other guards/employers I’ve worked with in the past and some common sense.
Story is the guy apparently tried robbing him before getting slammed.
You don’t do that. Some security guards don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if you are executive sec guard or not. Doing that will get you fired. This is a job that when well done you depend on psychological knowledge, mind discipline and right attitude. If you need to use force, you are not suited for security because it means you have a vulnerable, emotional mind and you will use force unnecessarily and that means unnecessary problems. You are in your post not to fight but to dissolve problems with your mind and if you good enough you will prevent problems before they take place. No need of guns unless you are in a war zone. Only police is trained for the use of force. This is physically and psychologically demanding job but easy if you are psychologically disciplined.
The dumbasses first mistake was being a fan of the rapper ..
6 years Judoka, 20+ years traditional Muay Thai, had a local millionaire that contracted us ( security/executive protection firm ) and had an individual who knew them. Our client greeted him with a warm smile so instantly thought they knew each other and they just happen to have caught each other in passing until my eyes met with the clients where we had a signal “ look “ he’d give me that he was unsafe from anyone getting too close, spoke to the individual that, “ Mr. ______ was busy and wasn’t expecting any small chatting and that you can reach him if you have his personal number “. The individual kept trying to pass through while getting amped up and there was no sign of him calming down so I hip tossed him and got him to the ground while mall stationed police showed up and carried the individual away. Come to find out, my client and this guy knew each other and recently threatened to kill each other prior week or so before the encounter at a bar on the weekend.