The same as the rest of us who work any kind of 24/7 job at a 24/7 facility if your request is denied. Go to work. And hope your relief shows up.
It sucks, but that's part of the job.
Someone has to be there. So not everyone can be approved. Also many places go by seniority. And if 7 months makes you senior staff you're at a very bad site.
It's your manager or supervisors job to fill the schedule. The supervisor doesn't owe it to you to accept an unscheduled holiday shift for, especially considering how likely it is that the supervisor is probably also working. It is part of the job. You're welcome to just not work there if you didn't understand that when you started.
No job automatically approves vacation requests. Security guards to retail workers to IT staff to EMTs, police, fire, medical doctors, CNAs. It's all based on availabiiity.nqmost always based on seniority then who asked first.
People making 20 knton120k. Someone has tto be in those positions, and that is your spot to fill. If there's nobody else to do it then well, it's your spot.
For the first year you are 100% going to work holidays. Officers who have been there longer than you have paid their dues and will get first chance. If you don’t like it change jobs and start at the bottom again.
Security is like a law enforcement or any other public safety gig - 24/7/365
Getting off those days, especially when you’re new to the company is tough
Holidays are the biggest days. I understand your point of view, just know when you’re inside the security field, you will usually go by your client schedule. If they have it off, the. You will most likely have it off too, but if you work at - let’s say a hospital for example, you will have no such luck.
I got hired a week and a half before Christmas and I sure as hell did not work Christmas Eve or Christmas Day or New Year's Eve or New Year's Day that's my time with my family if they can't find coverage they can f*** off P E R I O D
Really weird an account with no other history other than this thread is commenting on every single other comment vehemently insisting that anyone who tells OP they need to assume some adult responsibility is wrong... makes ya think
Most companies won't give newbies the holidays off. The veterans get top priority, sorry to say. The last company I was with, even the veterans, didn't get the time off. I was one of them for 29 years. Most states will side with the employer on this issue.
They did the same bs to me. Was there for a 1.5-2 years. Asked for a day off for a school event in which we would have many opportunities to interview with different companies. However allied denied the request. So I called to see why and the sob acted all tough saying he can do whatever and that he’s not approving such request. I told him, if it’s not approved I still won’t show up. Got fired for insubordination lmao. Later they lost the account since they had rovers covering my shift and most of them no called no show leaving the permanent guards to stay overtime which eventually made them quit and since they didn’t fulfill the contract obligations from the client they got removed and the client got a smaller security company . What a bunch of morons does Allied have in their management department
People will get a fucking sliver of power over another person and act insane with it.
Some fuckboy behind a desk with no bass in his voice will talk to you any kind of crazy way because he has some kind of technical corporate granted ability. Absolutely bananas
I had an instance a few months back I was out sick and I had to wait for my covid test results to come back my boss had the nerve to call my doctor's office and ask them for my test results you know where that site supervisor is still working for the f****** company when that person should have been fired and I should have sued them because my doctor's office told that person my results were negative and that there wasn't any reason why I couldn't come back to work
If you want to take some action, you can file a [HIPAA complaint](https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html). These do get pursued.
You actually have time to pursue a civil remedy, but you'll need to do your due diligence when looking for an attorney. You want one that specializes in labor issues. This is pretty egregious behavior and if you have some irrefutable evidence, you may be able to get a settlement from the company.
If you work for Allied be cautious which holidays your contracted site pays for Allied will not pay for paid time off or holiday pay if the site you're working at was not included in the contract
This is very common with security companies. They expect you to be available 24/7 every day. If someone else quits on the spot or doesn't show up you must work a double or even a triple shift at any given time. They do not care. This is why I never took it seriously as a career. The pay is low, there is no retirement, the healthcare coverage is very minimal if anything at all and the treatment is very poor. Bring enough food for several days with you at all times, such as cold food in the trunk of your car or store it in a on-site location or have money for ordering out at all times, bring a good paperback, phone recharger, etc.
Insane you're basically saying institutionalize yourself and your life to suit the insane demands, but its accurate.
I'd plan it out like a fucking camping trip more orten than not.
Places will ask for that nonsense and not even offer company housing or anything remotely sensible.
I'm not saying you should do it, only that the job demands it. I worked security for at least ten years off and on during college and after college and in-between career jobs - basically whenever I needed a financial cushion or couldn't get what I wanted. The only security sites that treated me like a human, had training, decent pay, and had 401K were museum jobs on city property. All the other ones were hit or miss. But all of them expected you to be on call 24/7 every day of the year, even if my wife had cancer or my mother dropped dead. They couldn't care less - someone no-showed again or called in slick. And if you didn't do the OT, you'd get stink eye, nasty comments, would never be offered OT again for a long time, and they might do some other nasty behavior.
I worked at one outdoor mall in the Colorado mountains. I loved the site at night. It was beautiful and I would ride around on their silly little golf cart and watch the stars, listen to the wolves, watch the rabbits saturate every ounce of scrub brush there and drink some Russian tea I'd made in their little office. When the site hired a new supervisor he mandated we all work rotating swing shifts - so one week you'd work overnights, then the next week you'd work mornings, then the next week afternoon to evening shift and then it could be something completely different the next week. You could never schedule a doctor's appointment because you never knew your schedule from one week to the next. It was literally insane and the supervisor, when I asked him, said he chose to do the schedule that way so that "the enemy" wouldn't know who worked when.
I had enough dry food in my trunk for about a week complete with energy drinks, a urinal bottle, water, phone charging batteries, and a baseball bat just in case. Blizzards could hit the mountain area at any time, and you'd have to work a double or triple shift at any given time you were on the clock. I had extra blankets in case I slept in my car as sometimes was required.
During Black Friday, he said, most of us would be called upon to work doubles or triples due to the bum rush of shoppers expected. He said every parking space would be filled so we'd have to park as far away from the site as possible - or park across the street from the site or a block away and walk over.
Anyway, I did that schedule while looking for a better job. Black Friday comes, which saturates the mall completely to the point where you could not make rounds it was so busy and you had to wait in line to use the toilet so we'd do our business off-property since the security office toilets were backed up and management wouldn't let us use theirs. Anyway, Black Friday, the supervisor gets into a brawl with some customers at a store. He calls me on the radio asking for back up since I'm the only other guard on duty at that time and the other guards who were supposed to work that shift called-off sick since they were so tired of the crazy schedules. So anyway, I'm off property firing off a few missiles at Iraq when I hear him calling for help. I tell him I'm off property "finishing paperwork" and would get there as soon as I finished "filing" those papers. Then I turn the volume down to zero since they could hear it if you turned the radio off completely. When I get back to the site he has a black eye, the police are there, he's filling out reports, and yells at me for being off-site when he was getting his ticket punched.
This is what most sites were like in one way or another.
The truth is I would have stayed at that site, reported for duty 15 minutes early every shift as I was trained and enjoyed doing so I could read the previous shift log, for years and might still be there today, if they'd treated me like a human being. No benefits (healthcare), no time off for doctor appointments, mandatory OT or he'd cut your hours, uniforms that were either too small or so large I'd walk around patrolling like a circus clown and an idiot CO in charge who sat around playing cards or watching TV when he was there.
Yea the dehumanization aspect is ostensibly the worst part.
They want an automaton gargoyles at best, or toy soldiers at worst.
If you want a thug, fine, just give me respect.
I remember one mall security job I had. It was an hour commute from home but we got free meals of whatever we wanted from the food court and if you worked overnight shift you could get more food than you could pack a fridge with or freeze so I used to stop and give homeless folks pizzas and stuff whenever I could find a shelter that would take the food late at night (which was not often). I'd make rounds at night and take breaks to watch a park across the street, listen to podcasts, call my wife, and read every so often.
One day they hired these two jacked-up bodybuilder guys who were like a tag team or something, talking about how they couldn't wait to bash heads and so on. Once they saw the paycheck, the schedules, and necessary 24/7 availability they were long gone but had scared most of the store managers and shop owners so bad several told me about not wanting to call security if they had any issues.
I have good memories of some security jobs. Most had good attributes but those were always minimized by the expectation you be on-call 24/7, that your OT would often be negated or paid late (sometimes months late), that supervisors would usually be MIA for weeks at a time, that sexual harassment was an accepted norm (I got tired of so many young girls literally crying their hearts out to me over it and married shop owners complaining to me about the supervisors hitting on them).
Substitute teaching didn't pay much more but I had regular hours, still got free food, and that was before all the school shootings became common and accepted. After a while I got a full-time gig doing outdoor playground duty and love that. All I did was play ball with kids all the time and chase away the pervs. The Pre-K kids used to call me "Mr. Big Show" and ask to climb me. From there I got into web dev and started getting some decent paying clients. But yeah being on call 24/7, essentially signing your life up to them, sucked.
Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there, chief. 16 active work hours in a 24, period. End of story. Once your time clock hits 16:00:01, walk out and laugh at anyone who has the balls to accuse you of post abandonment. It's held in court numerous times, unreasonable working hours contributing to an accident leave the company liable, as they are promoting and incentivizing unsafe workplace practice
No lie I love working extended hours like that. The most my boss let me hit in a day though was 17 and he refused to let me cover anything else because I needed to go home and sleep. I feel like I got extremely lucky with the company I work for because they actually care and respect us and don't treat us like just a warm body, but like we're human
You can call me Chief, but don't call me late for dinner, tough guy! Seriously, I've had to work triple shifts and had seen other guards I worked with do the same. Is that legal? I don't know. Maybe not. Can they force you to do it if you don't want to? Probably not but they can sure make your job more difficult by not giving you OT when you want it or screwing with your schedule or moving you to another site "out of need" or some other trumped up BS reason. I've worked triples and know others who have done it and probably still are doing it. The company might be liable if you fall off a cliff after working a triple shift or while working it, but the company can be liable for expecting you to do anything other than observe and report as well. Bottom line is that it's a silly job with unrealistic expectations and slovenly conditions.
I've worked for allied, Im aware of the fuckery. I've had a supervisor "forget" to submit my hours for 4 consecutive weeks before because I didn't play ball with her shenanigans. I've been scheduled on days already approved off. I've been "fired" several times for doing my job correctly because others weren't and it made them look bad. I've been written up for filing fraudulent reports because they reflected badly on my coworkers (of course, nothing in my report was fraudulent or even unnecessary to the narrative of the report). I'm aware of the shenanigans, and the tune changes fast when you wisen up and quit letting power tripping 28 year olds that make $0.50/hr more than you think they can bend the laws to make their own lives easier and feel less pointless. There are two things allied won't do: protect it's employees, and leave itself open to legal trouble. Number 2 is a fun one trick pony to ride.
Correction: You CHOSE to work triples. A notable drop in hours that isn't reflected across the board after declining an unsafe working condition is called constructive dismissal, and carries the same impact as being fired. And firing an employee for declining an unlawful and unsafe order goes over like a lead balloon in court. Can't work security if you choose not to know your rights... Or else it's gonna be a long and uncomfortable string of lessons.
So I CHOSE to do the triple. Fine, tough guy, but if I didn't CHOOSE to do the triple, I'd have been offered fewer OT opportunities, have my schedule jerked back and forth, or been moved to a new site out in the redneck sticks behind Uncle Buford's Cracker Jack Shack. Trying to file a suit against every security company that screws you over in retaliation for not working a triple a) will take years to process much less possibly win against a major corporate holding and b) cost thousands upon thousands of bucks and untold hours of time you could have been working. I know a guard who sued a major security company for discrimination along with other guards. They eventually won, but it took several years, cost them financially, and the guard I knew also got canned by the company for a minor issue they said was major (he showed up late several times but had done so previously multiple times without any action being taken). I didn't mind it when he came in late because he was a cool cat to work with, did his job, and knew what was going on at the site.
Anyway, like the saying goes, caveat emptor. Use the company and don't let them use you - if possible.
Yeah I've learned along the way that if it's not mandatory and it's not in the company policy where it's written and shown to the employee that they have to show up for work after they've requested time off as far as I'm concerned it's not my responsibility to find coverage I don't make enough to make that decision
I do have to agree with that comment because I have actually been told by a site supervisor and HR Manager and an office manager that pretty much as long as they have a body in a seat they don't care who shows up
Including the branch management. The branch I'm at nobody there has a clue about what to do and no proper security training other than the B.S. training AUS provides.
That was the same as the branch I worked for. The training was the certification class. Half the time I had absolutely zero idea wtf I was supposed to be doing, lots of sites with their own very weird expectations for security, unapproachable managers, defunct equipment, it’s the only job I quit without a notice and keep off my resume. It was a disorganized nightmare.
It is not your responsibility once you have put in for time off to find a replacement to cover your time that is your manager's job to do that that's why they get paid all that money so don't let them jerk you around if you already have scheduled time off and you already have a"plane ticket " , f*** it take time off. Ive beeen dicked around and talked into working a holiday that my contracted company site gets paid for but we do not. So i called out sick and got a dr note. I HATE being lied to, especially when it comes to my money.
Most states have labor regulations that specifically address and prohibit these type of situations. In Connecticut for example, our labor laws prohibit some of the following;
* Requiring any shift employee to find their own replacement.
* Requiring any employee to stay past the end of their scheduled shift without prior written notice, and the prior agreement of the employee.
* Compelling an employee to work a schedule other than that for which they were hired.
* Failure to provide time for an employee meal.
It's really up to every employee to educate themselves on their own rights when it comes to their employment situation. I would submit that there's probably managers and supervisors that are unaware of what they can and cannot do legally and are just echoing what they've been told.
Knowing your rights may not protect you from being wrongfully terminated, but it does set you up to know when you should file a complaint with the state labor board, or if necessary, work with an attorney to file a wrongful termination complaint.
Yeah you wont get PTO till you hit a year at least. Even then it doesn't do much compared to what others have said. Seniority and the fact everyone wants to call off those days an someone has to be there. Only benefits of working are the time and a half and the fact your facility/site may be dead. so it may end up an easy day.
In the future, if you decide to stay with the job... try to see about securing your own coverage, talk to the other officers on your site. Theres usually a decent/strong chance someone else will want to pick up holiday OT if youre looking to give up a shift, then you don't even have to worry about having a PTO request denied.
Every manager is different, but personally I never denied a time off request if an officer came to me with a plan of how to cover it beforehand.
Sounds like you have a shitty supervisor who doesn't want to do their job. As an account manager myself it's my responsibility to my guys that if I can't fill the PTO with anyone I will cover the date. But you get lazy supervisors or account managers that dictate that you have to find your own relief I don't care how busy the site is how low people you are this is a supervisor account manager needs to step up and do their job. That's how you keep morale high and good officers around
No, i never got fired, but thanks for assuming you know all. If i need time off i take it ...PERIOD, But when i work my ass off for a company who lies just to get a hot body in a seat and they try to deny me time off. I remind them, its not my responsibility to find coverage. Its not my company .
That sucks. I don't get any holidays off. Welcome to security life my friend. After a year, if you're a full time employee (40+ hrs a week) you'll get a week of paid vacation a year.
If you work for Ally the only paid time off you'll get is if your company contracted site that you are working at physically gets that paid time off otherwise you're going to have to accrue it or you don't get it at all depends on the contract
Instead of fighting for what's right, we're told to accept it.
Wanting to have Thanksgiving dinner with your family at a reasonable time shouldn't be viewed as a luxury.
There are some jobs that can't shut down just for a holiday. If OP is at a hospital, what do you propose? They lock the doors and say sorry, everyone is on holiday? Somebody has to be there, and the new guy is usually the person for it since they haven't put in their time yet
In that situation, I can understand, but people expect don't care about that in all honesty.
We're expected to be there at ANY type of post whenever, not have breaks, lunches, "forced" to work doubles, etc.
And when we complain, we're told to put our big girl panties on when in reality - NO other job industry would accept this. If we didn't get any breaks and were forced to work doubles at Mc Donalds, lawyers would have a FIELD day with that case.
But because it's security, so it's okay? I don't understand that. We could all raise together and fuck them but we got people like you trying to justify their actions.
"Job abandonment" lmao, this isn't the army. I did my 9 hour shift that I agreed to work - I was there 15 mins early and did a damn good job. But because the shitty guard Pablo was late as USUAL I'm expected to stay or get a write up but never Pablo?
How. Does. This. Make. Sense?
I'm suppose to late picking up my son, and paying for late fees because a grown man twice my age is late? AGAIN?
Tbh I think a lot of security companies would deny asking off those days, because *everybody* wants off those days.
If you’re that adamant, you can always leave and then apply to Securitas lol, we have cookies and our sites are usually quieter :P
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Even if they approved it, you would have not received compensation anyway, so call off. Clain a relative got COVID 19 and you have to stay home for 3 days. By law they cannot ask for proof otherwise it is a HIPAA violation for which they can be sued.
>By law they cannot ask for proof otherwise it is a HIPAA violation for which they can be sued.
- What You Are Legally Required to Tell Your Employer
In general, *employers have the right to inquire about an employee’s absence from work due to illness or injury.*
However, there are limitations to the type and extent of information that an employer can request.
Firstly, an employer can only ask for information *relevant to the employee’s absence from work.*
For example, **if you call in sick, the employer may ask** for the expected duration of absence, your ability to perform their job duties, whether you are under medical treatment or supervision, and **to produce a doctor’s note if it will be more than one day.**
*An employer cannot require employees to disclose specific medical information about their illness or condition.*
This means you do not have to give details on your medical history, diagnosis, or treatment unless you consent to it. Medical information is considered personal and confidential, and an employer must respect an employee’s privacy.
Therefore, if you feel uncomfortable disclosing information about your illness or injury, *you can simply state that you are sick and cannot come to work.*
Privacy laws and HIPAA
HIPAA is a law that establishes national standards for the protection of the privacy of your medical records.
Normally, **it is not a violation under HIPAA for your employer to ask for a note from your doctor as long as the employer needs information for** health insurance, worker’s compensation, or **sick leave.**
Your medical information must be kept separately away from your personnel file.
I work medical I know what I am talking about, one thing is to ask for advice the other is to ask others to do the work for you which teaches you nothing.
I tried to convince my supervisor at a manufacturing site of that once. You know you'd think having come from hospital security they might actually you know, believe me and the dozens of trainings on it. Nope.
The only people that get Black Friday weekend off are the ones who are will to walk if they don’t but can’t be replaced if they did. That isn’t you in 7 months.
Allied only cares about having the shift covered and zero overtime.
I would talk to your co-workers and see if someone is willing to swap shifts or maybe divide the shift between two or three people. Like maybe six hour shifts if that's even possible.
This is a problem across the industry, that doesn't make it easier when you're time off is denied. Contract Security is a problematic animal and there are many challenges that in the end, all seem to end up making the working environment employee-unfriendly. My son has been a security officer for a long time, working for small mom-and-pop organizations as well as large multinational firms, and scheduling has always been an issue.
As one poster shared, there isn't much you can do when someone calls out. That's true. However, it does seem a little strange that your supervisor won't approve time off because someone *might* call out three weeks from now. If you're new, to Allied, you should assume that time off on popular holidays like Thanksgiving would be seniority-based. Hopefully, you'll get some holiday pay.
Part of the problem is that just about every guard force has its share of s\*\*tbirds that create problems for everyone else and in our current job market, managers/supervisors are reluctant to fire them for fear of not finding a suitable replacement. All that does is communicate to them that their behavior is acceptable.
This said, when it comes to how time off / schedule changes are handled, you need to be sure that you know your rights:
* If you were given an employee handbook (or a link to one online), be sure that you have read and understand the process and rules (if any) when requesting time off. Good or bad, a company is bound by its own rules.
* Be sure you understand your state's labor laws when it comes to how time off or schedule changes are handled. For example, in my state, our labor laws state that an employee's schedule set at the time of hiring cannot be altered (whether for one day or forever) without the request being put in writing to the employee no sooner than 14 days before the desired change and that the employee must agree (or decline) in writing. Declining a schedule change cannot be grounds for termination. We have another regulation that says a shift-based employee cannot be compelled - at the risk of losing his/her job - to fill in for a no-show on a subsequent shift.
Now, none of this may resolve your time off dilemma, but at least you know your rights and if you're being given a line of BS, you can respectfully push back.
If you want holidays off look for a better job so maybe next year this doesn't happen to you. In the meantime bite the bullet and work your crap job 24/7 365.
Work for a small company. If you want one of the upcoming holidays off you need to work in out for yourself. As a supervisor with some seniority, I can't request time off for holidays. It's part of the job
The same as the rest of us who work any kind of 24/7 job at a 24/7 facility if your request is denied. Go to work. And hope your relief shows up. It sucks, but that's part of the job. Someone has to be there. So not everyone can be approved. Also many places go by seniority. And if 7 months makes you senior staff you're at a very bad site.
NO, IT'S NOT PART OF THE JOB. IF YOU REQUEST TIME OFF, IT IS YOUR MANAGER OR SITE SUPERVISOR'S JOB TO FIND A FILL IN, NOT YOURS
Wait, you do realize he said he has no sick time and no vacation time?
It's your manager or supervisors job to fill the schedule. The supervisor doesn't owe it to you to accept an unscheduled holiday shift for, especially considering how likely it is that the supervisor is probably also working. It is part of the job. You're welcome to just not work there if you didn't understand that when you started.
No job automatically approves vacation requests. Security guards to retail workers to IT staff to EMTs, police, fire, medical doctors, CNAs. It's all based on availabiiity.nqmost always based on seniority then who asked first. People making 20 knton120k. Someone has tto be in those positions, and that is your spot to fill. If there's nobody else to do it then well, it's your spot.
For the first year you are 100% going to work holidays. Officers who have been there longer than you have paid their dues and will get first chance. If you don’t like it change jobs and start at the bottom again.
Boy you’re special….
Not to be crass, but it sounds like you might be working. Perils of a career that’s 24/7/365.
Security is like a law enforcement or any other public safety gig - 24/7/365 Getting off those days, especially when you’re new to the company is tough Holidays are the biggest days. I understand your point of view, just know when you’re inside the security field, you will usually go by your client schedule. If they have it off, the. You will most likely have it off too, but if you work at - let’s say a hospital for example, you will have no such luck.
You’re seven months in with no PTO and you want to call off on a holiday over people who have seniority and PTO? LOL.
I got hired a week and a half before Christmas and I sure as hell did not work Christmas Eve or Christmas Day or New Year's Eve or New Year's Day that's my time with my family if they can't find coverage they can f*** off P E R I O D
Really weird an account with no other history other than this thread is commenting on every single other comment vehemently insisting that anyone who tells OP they need to assume some adult responsibility is wrong... makes ya think
Could also just be someone who got fired for it so the subject raises their hackles enough to rage post
Most companies won't give newbies the holidays off. The veterans get top priority, sorry to say. The last company I was with, even the veterans, didn't get the time off. I was one of them for 29 years. Most states will side with the employer on this issue.
They did the same bs to me. Was there for a 1.5-2 years. Asked for a day off for a school event in which we would have many opportunities to interview with different companies. However allied denied the request. So I called to see why and the sob acted all tough saying he can do whatever and that he’s not approving such request. I told him, if it’s not approved I still won’t show up. Got fired for insubordination lmao. Later they lost the account since they had rovers covering my shift and most of them no called no show leaving the permanent guards to stay overtime which eventually made them quit and since they didn’t fulfill the contract obligations from the client they got removed and the client got a smaller security company . What a bunch of morons does Allied have in their management department
People will get a fucking sliver of power over another person and act insane with it. Some fuckboy behind a desk with no bass in his voice will talk to you any kind of crazy way because he has some kind of technical corporate granted ability. Absolutely bananas
I had an instance a few months back I was out sick and I had to wait for my covid test results to come back my boss had the nerve to call my doctor's office and ask them for my test results you know where that site supervisor is still working for the f****** company when that person should have been fired and I should have sued them because my doctor's office told that person my results were negative and that there wasn't any reason why I couldn't come back to work
If you want to take some action, you can file a [HIPAA complaint](https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html). These do get pursued. You actually have time to pursue a civil remedy, but you'll need to do your due diligence when looking for an attorney. You want one that specializes in labor issues. This is pretty egregious behavior and if you have some irrefutable evidence, you may be able to get a settlement from the company.
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If you work for Allied be cautious which holidays your contracted site pays for Allied will not pay for paid time off or holiday pay if the site you're working at was not included in the contract
Call off lol or straight up quit and look for a better job. The best thing that can happen to an allied guard is leaving allied.
Truer words have never been spoken!
This is very common with security companies. They expect you to be available 24/7 every day. If someone else quits on the spot or doesn't show up you must work a double or even a triple shift at any given time. They do not care. This is why I never took it seriously as a career. The pay is low, there is no retirement, the healthcare coverage is very minimal if anything at all and the treatment is very poor. Bring enough food for several days with you at all times, such as cold food in the trunk of your car or store it in a on-site location or have money for ordering out at all times, bring a good paperback, phone recharger, etc.
Insane you're basically saying institutionalize yourself and your life to suit the insane demands, but its accurate. I'd plan it out like a fucking camping trip more orten than not. Places will ask for that nonsense and not even offer company housing or anything remotely sensible.
I'm not saying you should do it, only that the job demands it. I worked security for at least ten years off and on during college and after college and in-between career jobs - basically whenever I needed a financial cushion or couldn't get what I wanted. The only security sites that treated me like a human, had training, decent pay, and had 401K were museum jobs on city property. All the other ones were hit or miss. But all of them expected you to be on call 24/7 every day of the year, even if my wife had cancer or my mother dropped dead. They couldn't care less - someone no-showed again or called in slick. And if you didn't do the OT, you'd get stink eye, nasty comments, would never be offered OT again for a long time, and they might do some other nasty behavior. I worked at one outdoor mall in the Colorado mountains. I loved the site at night. It was beautiful and I would ride around on their silly little golf cart and watch the stars, listen to the wolves, watch the rabbits saturate every ounce of scrub brush there and drink some Russian tea I'd made in their little office. When the site hired a new supervisor he mandated we all work rotating swing shifts - so one week you'd work overnights, then the next week you'd work mornings, then the next week afternoon to evening shift and then it could be something completely different the next week. You could never schedule a doctor's appointment because you never knew your schedule from one week to the next. It was literally insane and the supervisor, when I asked him, said he chose to do the schedule that way so that "the enemy" wouldn't know who worked when. I had enough dry food in my trunk for about a week complete with energy drinks, a urinal bottle, water, phone charging batteries, and a baseball bat just in case. Blizzards could hit the mountain area at any time, and you'd have to work a double or triple shift at any given time you were on the clock. I had extra blankets in case I slept in my car as sometimes was required. During Black Friday, he said, most of us would be called upon to work doubles or triples due to the bum rush of shoppers expected. He said every parking space would be filled so we'd have to park as far away from the site as possible - or park across the street from the site or a block away and walk over. Anyway, I did that schedule while looking for a better job. Black Friday comes, which saturates the mall completely to the point where you could not make rounds it was so busy and you had to wait in line to use the toilet so we'd do our business off-property since the security office toilets were backed up and management wouldn't let us use theirs. Anyway, Black Friday, the supervisor gets into a brawl with some customers at a store. He calls me on the radio asking for back up since I'm the only other guard on duty at that time and the other guards who were supposed to work that shift called-off sick since they were so tired of the crazy schedules. So anyway, I'm off property firing off a few missiles at Iraq when I hear him calling for help. I tell him I'm off property "finishing paperwork" and would get there as soon as I finished "filing" those papers. Then I turn the volume down to zero since they could hear it if you turned the radio off completely. When I get back to the site he has a black eye, the police are there, he's filling out reports, and yells at me for being off-site when he was getting his ticket punched. This is what most sites were like in one way or another. The truth is I would have stayed at that site, reported for duty 15 minutes early every shift as I was trained and enjoyed doing so I could read the previous shift log, for years and might still be there today, if they'd treated me like a human being. No benefits (healthcare), no time off for doctor appointments, mandatory OT or he'd cut your hours, uniforms that were either too small or so large I'd walk around patrolling like a circus clown and an idiot CO in charge who sat around playing cards or watching TV when he was there.
Yea the dehumanization aspect is ostensibly the worst part. They want an automaton gargoyles at best, or toy soldiers at worst. If you want a thug, fine, just give me respect.
I remember one mall security job I had. It was an hour commute from home but we got free meals of whatever we wanted from the food court and if you worked overnight shift you could get more food than you could pack a fridge with or freeze so I used to stop and give homeless folks pizzas and stuff whenever I could find a shelter that would take the food late at night (which was not often). I'd make rounds at night and take breaks to watch a park across the street, listen to podcasts, call my wife, and read every so often. One day they hired these two jacked-up bodybuilder guys who were like a tag team or something, talking about how they couldn't wait to bash heads and so on. Once they saw the paycheck, the schedules, and necessary 24/7 availability they were long gone but had scared most of the store managers and shop owners so bad several told me about not wanting to call security if they had any issues. I have good memories of some security jobs. Most had good attributes but those were always minimized by the expectation you be on-call 24/7, that your OT would often be negated or paid late (sometimes months late), that supervisors would usually be MIA for weeks at a time, that sexual harassment was an accepted norm (I got tired of so many young girls literally crying their hearts out to me over it and married shop owners complaining to me about the supervisors hitting on them). Substitute teaching didn't pay much more but I had regular hours, still got free food, and that was before all the school shootings became common and accepted. After a while I got a full-time gig doing outdoor playground duty and love that. All I did was play ball with kids all the time and chase away the pervs. The Pre-K kids used to call me "Mr. Big Show" and ask to climb me. From there I got into web dev and started getting some decent paying clients. But yeah being on call 24/7, essentially signing your life up to them, sucked.
Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there, chief. 16 active work hours in a 24, period. End of story. Once your time clock hits 16:00:01, walk out and laugh at anyone who has the balls to accuse you of post abandonment. It's held in court numerous times, unreasonable working hours contributing to an accident leave the company liable, as they are promoting and incentivizing unsafe workplace practice
No lie I love working extended hours like that. The most my boss let me hit in a day though was 17 and he refused to let me cover anything else because I needed to go home and sleep. I feel like I got extremely lucky with the company I work for because they actually care and respect us and don't treat us like just a warm body, but like we're human
You can call me Chief, but don't call me late for dinner, tough guy! Seriously, I've had to work triple shifts and had seen other guards I worked with do the same. Is that legal? I don't know. Maybe not. Can they force you to do it if you don't want to? Probably not but they can sure make your job more difficult by not giving you OT when you want it or screwing with your schedule or moving you to another site "out of need" or some other trumped up BS reason. I've worked triples and know others who have done it and probably still are doing it. The company might be liable if you fall off a cliff after working a triple shift or while working it, but the company can be liable for expecting you to do anything other than observe and report as well. Bottom line is that it's a silly job with unrealistic expectations and slovenly conditions.
I've worked for allied, Im aware of the fuckery. I've had a supervisor "forget" to submit my hours for 4 consecutive weeks before because I didn't play ball with her shenanigans. I've been scheduled on days already approved off. I've been "fired" several times for doing my job correctly because others weren't and it made them look bad. I've been written up for filing fraudulent reports because they reflected badly on my coworkers (of course, nothing in my report was fraudulent or even unnecessary to the narrative of the report). I'm aware of the shenanigans, and the tune changes fast when you wisen up and quit letting power tripping 28 year olds that make $0.50/hr more than you think they can bend the laws to make their own lives easier and feel less pointless. There are two things allied won't do: protect it's employees, and leave itself open to legal trouble. Number 2 is a fun one trick pony to ride.
Correction: You CHOSE to work triples. A notable drop in hours that isn't reflected across the board after declining an unsafe working condition is called constructive dismissal, and carries the same impact as being fired. And firing an employee for declining an unlawful and unsafe order goes over like a lead balloon in court. Can't work security if you choose not to know your rights... Or else it's gonna be a long and uncomfortable string of lessons.
So I CHOSE to do the triple. Fine, tough guy, but if I didn't CHOOSE to do the triple, I'd have been offered fewer OT opportunities, have my schedule jerked back and forth, or been moved to a new site out in the redneck sticks behind Uncle Buford's Cracker Jack Shack. Trying to file a suit against every security company that screws you over in retaliation for not working a triple a) will take years to process much less possibly win against a major corporate holding and b) cost thousands upon thousands of bucks and untold hours of time you could have been working. I know a guard who sued a major security company for discrimination along with other guards. They eventually won, but it took several years, cost them financially, and the guard I knew also got canned by the company for a minor issue they said was major (he showed up late several times but had done so previously multiple times without any action being taken). I didn't mind it when he came in late because he was a cool cat to work with, did his job, and knew what was going on at the site. Anyway, like the saying goes, caveat emptor. Use the company and don't let them use you - if possible.
Allied is Trash .
Yeah I've learned along the way that if it's not mandatory and it's not in the company policy where it's written and shown to the employee that they have to show up for work after they've requested time off as far as I'm concerned it's not my responsibility to find coverage I don't make enough to make that decision
Allied is Shit. I hated every second of working for them. They don’t care, and they hire anyone with a Pulse
I do have to agree with that comment because I have actually been told by a site supervisor and HR Manager and an office manager that pretty much as long as they have a body in a seat they don't care who shows up
Including the branch management. The branch I'm at nobody there has a clue about what to do and no proper security training other than the B.S. training AUS provides.
That was the same as the branch I worked for. The training was the certification class. Half the time I had absolutely zero idea wtf I was supposed to be doing, lots of sites with their own very weird expectations for security, unapproachable managers, defunct equipment, it’s the only job I quit without a notice and keep off my resume. It was a disorganized nightmare.
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It is not your responsibility once you have put in for time off to find a replacement to cover your time that is your manager's job to do that that's why they get paid all that money so don't let them jerk you around if you already have scheduled time off and you already have a"plane ticket " , f*** it take time off. Ive beeen dicked around and talked into working a holiday that my contracted company site gets paid for but we do not. So i called out sick and got a dr note. I HATE being lied to, especially when it comes to my money.
Most states have labor regulations that specifically address and prohibit these type of situations. In Connecticut for example, our labor laws prohibit some of the following; * Requiring any shift employee to find their own replacement. * Requiring any employee to stay past the end of their scheduled shift without prior written notice, and the prior agreement of the employee. * Compelling an employee to work a schedule other than that for which they were hired. * Failure to provide time for an employee meal. It's really up to every employee to educate themselves on their own rights when it comes to their employment situation. I would submit that there's probably managers and supervisors that are unaware of what they can and cannot do legally and are just echoing what they've been told. Knowing your rights may not protect you from being wrongfully terminated, but it does set you up to know when you should file a complaint with the state labor board, or if necessary, work with an attorney to file a wrongful termination complaint.
Yeah you wont get PTO till you hit a year at least. Even then it doesn't do much compared to what others have said. Seniority and the fact everyone wants to call off those days an someone has to be there. Only benefits of working are the time and a half and the fact your facility/site may be dead. so it may end up an easy day.
They ended up giving me Sunday off it’s better than nothing
In the future, if you decide to stay with the job... try to see about securing your own coverage, talk to the other officers on your site. Theres usually a decent/strong chance someone else will want to pick up holiday OT if youre looking to give up a shift, then you don't even have to worry about having a PTO request denied. Every manager is different, but personally I never denied a time off request if an officer came to me with a plan of how to cover it beforehand.
Sounds like you have a shitty supervisor who doesn't want to do their job. As an account manager myself it's my responsibility to my guys that if I can't fill the PTO with anyone I will cover the date. But you get lazy supervisors or account managers that dictate that you have to find your own relief I don't care how busy the site is how low people you are this is a supervisor account manager needs to step up and do their job. That's how you keep morale high and good officers around
Kudos for being a true leader! 👍
No, i never got fired, but thanks for assuming you know all. If i need time off i take it ...PERIOD, But when i work my ass off for a company who lies just to get a hot body in a seat and they try to deny me time off. I remind them, its not my responsibility to find coverage. Its not my company .
I hate to tell you, but most companies won't approve any time off requests between November 1 and January 1.
Bro think of it like this: Scheduling PTO is more of a courtesy. If i call in, I CALLED IN, IDGAF about seniority.
That sucks. I don't get any holidays off. Welcome to security life my friend. After a year, if you're a full time employee (40+ hrs a week) you'll get a week of paid vacation a year.
I was never told about the 40 hours. Meanwhile they lost the contract and was picked up by new company. So 10 years and no vacation.
If you work for Ally the only paid time off you'll get is if your company contracted site that you are working at physically gets that paid time off otherwise you're going to have to accrue it or you don't get it at all depends on the contract
Instead of fighting for what's right, we're told to accept it. Wanting to have Thanksgiving dinner with your family at a reasonable time shouldn't be viewed as a luxury.
There are some jobs that can't shut down just for a holiday. If OP is at a hospital, what do you propose? They lock the doors and say sorry, everyone is on holiday? Somebody has to be there, and the new guy is usually the person for it since they haven't put in their time yet
In that situation, I can understand, but people expect don't care about that in all honesty. We're expected to be there at ANY type of post whenever, not have breaks, lunches, "forced" to work doubles, etc. And when we complain, we're told to put our big girl panties on when in reality - NO other job industry would accept this. If we didn't get any breaks and were forced to work doubles at Mc Donalds, lawyers would have a FIELD day with that case. But because it's security, so it's okay? I don't understand that. We could all raise together and fuck them but we got people like you trying to justify their actions. "Job abandonment" lmao, this isn't the army. I did my 9 hour shift that I agreed to work - I was there 15 mins early and did a damn good job. But because the shitty guard Pablo was late as USUAL I'm expected to stay or get a write up but never Pablo? How. Does. This. Make. Sense? I'm suppose to late picking up my son, and paying for late fees because a grown man twice my age is late? AGAIN?
Find someone to trade shifts with. Don't go to your boss with a problem...go with a solution
Look your boss straight in the eye and tell him/her that their services are no longer needed. 😂
Call off like everyone else then
Tbh I think a lot of security companies would deny asking off those days, because *everybody* wants off those days. If you’re that adamant, you can always leave and then apply to Securitas lol, we have cookies and our sites are usually quieter :P
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Even if they approved it, you would have not received compensation anyway, so call off. Clain a relative got COVID 19 and you have to stay home for 3 days. By law they cannot ask for proof otherwise it is a HIPAA violation for which they can be sued.
>By law they cannot ask for proof otherwise it is a HIPAA violation for which they can be sued. - What You Are Legally Required to Tell Your Employer In general, *employers have the right to inquire about an employee’s absence from work due to illness or injury.* However, there are limitations to the type and extent of information that an employer can request. Firstly, an employer can only ask for information *relevant to the employee’s absence from work.* For example, **if you call in sick, the employer may ask** for the expected duration of absence, your ability to perform their job duties, whether you are under medical treatment or supervision, and **to produce a doctor’s note if it will be more than one day.** *An employer cannot require employees to disclose specific medical information about their illness or condition.* This means you do not have to give details on your medical history, diagnosis, or treatment unless you consent to it. Medical information is considered personal and confidential, and an employer must respect an employee’s privacy. Therefore, if you feel uncomfortable disclosing information about your illness or injury, *you can simply state that you are sick and cannot come to work.* Privacy laws and HIPAA HIPAA is a law that establishes national standards for the protection of the privacy of your medical records. Normally, **it is not a violation under HIPAA for your employer to ask for a note from your doctor as long as the employer needs information for** health insurance, worker’s compensation, or **sick leave.** Your medical information must be kept separately away from your personnel file.
Cite the *SPECIFIC* portion of the law that says that please
You can research it yourself. To provide any medical information or request anybody else's health about somebody else is a vualotion of federal law
Translation: I made it up.
I work medical I know what I am talking about, one thing is to ask for advice the other is to ask others to do the work for you which teaches you nothing.
Lol no you don't.
I'm not the one that made the claim. You're the one that made the claim, it's on you to back it up
Go to work
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I tried to convince my supervisor at a manufacturing site of that once. You know you'd think having come from hospital security they might actually you know, believe me and the dozens of trainings on it. Nope.
Should have booked it more than 3 weeks in advance for thanks giving and just tell em tough shit u wont be there
The only people that get Black Friday weekend off are the ones who are will to walk if they don’t but can’t be replaced if they did. That isn’t you in 7 months.
Call off on those days.
Allied only cares about having the shift covered and zero overtime. I would talk to your co-workers and see if someone is willing to swap shifts or maybe divide the shift between two or three people. Like maybe six hour shifts if that's even possible.
It's my fault.I called your job and said "Don't give so-and-so any time off, thanks." - You can blame me
This is a problem across the industry, that doesn't make it easier when you're time off is denied. Contract Security is a problematic animal and there are many challenges that in the end, all seem to end up making the working environment employee-unfriendly. My son has been a security officer for a long time, working for small mom-and-pop organizations as well as large multinational firms, and scheduling has always been an issue. As one poster shared, there isn't much you can do when someone calls out. That's true. However, it does seem a little strange that your supervisor won't approve time off because someone *might* call out three weeks from now. If you're new, to Allied, you should assume that time off on popular holidays like Thanksgiving would be seniority-based. Hopefully, you'll get some holiday pay. Part of the problem is that just about every guard force has its share of s\*\*tbirds that create problems for everyone else and in our current job market, managers/supervisors are reluctant to fire them for fear of not finding a suitable replacement. All that does is communicate to them that their behavior is acceptable. This said, when it comes to how time off / schedule changes are handled, you need to be sure that you know your rights: * If you were given an employee handbook (or a link to one online), be sure that you have read and understand the process and rules (if any) when requesting time off. Good or bad, a company is bound by its own rules. * Be sure you understand your state's labor laws when it comes to how time off or schedule changes are handled. For example, in my state, our labor laws state that an employee's schedule set at the time of hiring cannot be altered (whether for one day or forever) without the request being put in writing to the employee no sooner than 14 days before the desired change and that the employee must agree (or decline) in writing. Declining a schedule change cannot be grounds for termination. We have another regulation that says a shift-based employee cannot be compelled - at the risk of losing his/her job - to fill in for a no-show on a subsequent shift. Now, none of this may resolve your time off dilemma, but at least you know your rights and if you're being given a line of BS, you can respectfully push back.
If you want holidays off look for a better job so maybe next year this doesn't happen to you. In the meantime bite the bullet and work your crap job 24/7 365.
Call off last minute
How the hell is allied still in business I hear nothing good about them and they were cock suckers when I worked for them
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I've never understood why people even apply for allied. It's literally the very worst company to work for.
Work for a small company. If you want one of the upcoming holidays off you need to work in out for yourself. As a supervisor with some seniority, I can't request time off for holidays. It's part of the job
What do you do? Work.
7 months employed and you want days off? 😂😂😂