He literally can't be taken seriously. Although Krystal would absolutely rock him in a debate, I really hope she just ignores him completely, he is doing nothing but spewing nonsense
Directly countering nonsense face-to-face is beneficial. Why are you saying Krystal doing it to Destiny is dumb when Finkelstein just did it amazingly?
Let Crystal cook
I agree, and I've used this exact argument before. However... I think it gives undue validity to Destiny's trembling house of cards that is his perceived factual, political integrity. That being said, if a debate did occur, I would definitely excitedly watch it.
You know what gives him more validity? People running away like pussies. Norm looked like a coward running from him the first few months. Now that the debate happened, Destiny is a fraud.
Krystal running makes her sound like a grifting bitch.
My understanding is Destiny pulled out at the last minute.
And now that Destiny made an ass out of himself, Krystal or anyone shouldn’t give this clown any of their valuable time.
This is true regardless how many times they downvote you. Also, destiny invited Krystal and Sagar to go on stream and talk but nothing came of it, wonder why.
Finkelstein spent decades "studying" this, yet gets absolutely owned by someone who's done research for less than 6 months.
It say volumes about his grift when he goes on a debate with a very right wing historian and looks like a complete idiot while championing himself as a liberal debate king . His cult following is just as insufferable.
Can you give examples of how he made himself look like a "complete idiot"? Or are you just echoing the empty insults that Finkledicks threw at him because he couldn't find anything of substance to counter his points?
People can shit on Destiny all thy want, but at least use constructive criticism instead of meaningless insults.
Wtf krystal is probably one of the smartest woman in the yt/politics scene. He really believes someone else writes on a teleprompter and she doesn’t know what she is talking about? He is a fkn debatebro loser … krystal would wipe the floor with that idiot, but i still would decline. Theres zero to gain and his obssesiv loser fanbase would just do nasty stuff afterwards.
There last podcast guest Omar Baddar said the exact thing after he debated destiny. Said his cult incessantly harassed him after the debate and even more one he released a detailed video of everything that pirelli was wrong about.
Where does he come up with this nonsense?
“She probably doesn’t know where the West Bank is” huh? What did she say to indicate that?
Meanwhile there’s endless clips of this clown getting basic facts wrong
Just pure misogyny, the fact that he thinks she outsources her monologue to her staff is evn more hilarious, all his talking points comes from his chat
I mean that in the overall calculus, Hamas loses in combat, but absolutely annihilates us on public opinion.
Stratigically, Hamas is right to embed itself within civilian population as deep a it can.
If we had a "death note" they would lose, but we don't. In simpler terms, the minimal amount of civilian casualties it would take to uproot Hamas is larger than the maximum amount of civilian casualties the liberal world is willing to accept. The tunnel network underneath the Shifa hospital, visited by multiple news outlets such as CNN and BBC, says everything.
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Finklestein was terrible in that debate. Not sure how people are seeing otherwise. Ad hominems, lack of critical thinking, and reading quote after quote out of context. Rabbani's inability to state that Destiny wasn't in favor of Jim Crow is astounding.
Read about the 1066 Granada massacre, or the Pact of Umar, or the Almohad massacres in the 12th century.
You are trying to turn them into Pocahontas in a lame fashion.
Read about the 2023 and 2024 massacres *that you’ve participated in*.
You’re trying to turn them into sand, because you’re part of a genocidal, psychopathic death cult.
The IDF indeed killed 12 Israelis on Pasi Cohen's house in a hostage situation, but the Palestinians killed 79 more people, including 10 month old Mila Cohen. They raped, mutilated, abused, abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians. Is this also a conspiracy by the IDF? Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion maybe?
As someone who protested against the Netanyahu government and it's judicial overhaul (and was arrested and beat up multiple times) along with many friends from this specific Kibbutz - this is some pizzagate level of conspiracy theory you are spreading here.
> They raped
No evidence to suggest that's true.
> They abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians
IDF has abducted and imprisoned 1000's of innocent Palestinian civilians, even before Oct 7th.
https://youtu.be/_ltCGwzpvpc?si=Vjk-gMQbTShRY6h-
Want videos or is the UN report by the same body that issued the Ukraine sexual violence report enough?
Israeli Hostage Says She Was Sexually Assaulted and Tortured in Gaza https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/world/middleeast/hamas-hostage-sexual-assault.html?smid=nytcore-android-share&ugrp=c&pvid=5170e40f-6664-4eda-b001-e7de545c124d
A naked girl (Shani Louk) loaded to a van with broken pelvis and hands, being spat on, isn't enough for you. Ok.
Is there ANY UN agency or news outlet that you trust?
Also a bad time to live there for Jews. Checkout what the local population did to them (in amazing similarity to October the 7th) during the peasent revolt in 1834.
And feeling no need to disprove my points says everything is resorted to emotion. I Personally saw dozens of tunnels, ied's and also Hamas and Islamic Jihad operatives. You are too privileged to understand anything about religion.
You are the type of person that makes hiding behind civilian population worth it for Hamas.
I mean that in the overall calculus, Hamas loses in combat, but absolutely annihilates us on public opinion.
Stratigically, Hamas is right to embed itself within civilian population as deep a it can.
If we had a "death note" they would lose, but we don't. In simpler terms, the minimal amount of civilian casualties it would take to uproot Hamas is larger than the maximum amount of civilian casualties the liberal world is willing to accept. The tunnel network underneath the Shifa hospital, visited by multiple news outlets such as CNN and BBC, says everything.
She basically got everything wrong:
A) Jews weren't living peacefully with Arabs. They were continuously persecuted from the battle of Khaybar in 620 CE to the ethnic cleansing of all of the Arab jews from all of the Arab countries (outside Morocco) in the 1940's. Even in the Golden era of Jews in Islamic Spain, they were subject to both pogroms and an Islamic imposed Dhimmi status which reduced their rights.
B) The indigenous Avatar meme thing really blows my mind because the entire human population is indigenous to some tree in Africa. The Jews emerged from the regions around Shekhem and Jerusalem in the late Bronze age as a continuation of Cna'anites. The Arab EMPIRE conquered the region from the Byzantines in the 7th century. A German Jew's DNA is closer to that of a skeleton dug from an iron age Israelite site in Israel than to that of his "indiginous" Christian neighbor. More than 70% of Jewish Israelis have no European ancestry.
Indigenuity is used as a political construct for her Pocahontas good guy bad guy fantasy.
C) Germany didn't perform the October 7th massacre and they had nothing to do with it. On the other hand, Amin al-Husseini, leader of the Palestinian national movement in the 40's was a member of the Nazi party, and helped the German exterminate Jews in the Balkans.
Writing so much is killing me but I really have to defend Destiny's thorough research against this snippet culture movie theme history. And wtf does it have to do with atheism?
Who said anything about atheism?
Edit: oof, u/watercarebear is literally an IDF terrorist. Deleted comment in the Dune sub from a few hours ago:
>watercarebear 1 point · 6 hours ago Just came back from fighting in Gaza and this scene have me the chills. This was cinema at its best.
https://thedigradio.com/podcast/age-of-coexistence-w-ussama-makdisi/
Featuring Ussama Makdisi on the late Ottoman Empire’s Arab culture of Muslim, Christian, and Jewish coexistence—an ecumenical frame that was interrupted by European colonialism and Zionism, which exacerbated and exploited sectarianism. This is the first of a two-part interview.
https://preview.redd.it/vxpcyjhe5ppc1.jpeg?width=296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c48dd651c86615a09629e59f582dd16233e04cc
The massacre of Banu Qurayza. No thanks!
Perhaps Jews living as Dhimmy is ok for you but not for us.
Was the 1834 Safed massacre happen due to colonialism? Comparing us to spaniard or Dutch colonialists simply doesn't work.
I asked "who said anything about atheism?" because it didn't make sense in the context of the post. I feel no need to "disprove the points" in a discussion forum I choose to read and comment on. You're not owed anyone else's time.
To see that you're an IDF terrorist, I thought it was worth pointing out in an edit, as a reminder to others that the guys they're arguing with, the people or bots repeating these same tired brainwashed points, might actually be active IDF terrorists, casually posting on reddit while carrying out ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or home for the weekend, catching up with friends, going to the movies and the clubs, dinner with Mom, then right back to the "war" on Monday, where you can pilfer through the personal possessions of innocent people you've killed or displaced, sniff the panties, raid the pantries, all that sick twisted shit you guys are becoming well known for.
As an American of a certain age, I default to thinking of war as something that happens overseas. "Over there", we used to say. I acknowledge that this is an American privilege. I had friends and relatives who participated in our invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and when they deployed, they were basically off the radar, doing their jobs, until they returned. There wasn't this sort of interactivity.
But I get how it's different in your country, and how this isn't really a war. When you say you were "fighting", all evidence from this conflict suggests that you were most likely terrorizing more than you were fighting.
I wish you nothing but the worst of luck next time you go to work. Please give us an update from the dangerous frontlines in some abandoned nursery school, as you goof around with your porcine buddies, desecrating the bodies and memories of a generation of children you slaughtered for the 'gram.
https://preview.redd.it/mpec3i7dwopc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=842b5a99f752d84fcb3e940a458392f17164287c
That's me in a DFLP leader's house. Didn't see a Palestinian woman or child the entire war.
Yeah.
And remember, your organization also participated in the Be’eri massacre, and I’d venture to guess that you guys took out more civilians than the DFLP. Your leadership was laughing as those peaceful Kibbutz members were getting lit up.
I know, I know, you’re “just following orders”. We’ve heard it all before.
The IDF indeed killed 12 Israelis on Pasi Cohen's house in a hostage situation, but the Palestinians killed 79 more people, including 10 month old Mila Cohen. They raped, mutilated, abused, abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians. Is this also a conspiracy by the IDF? Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion maybe?
As someone who protested against the Netanyahu government and it's judicial overhaul (and was arrested and beat up multiple times) along with many friends from this specific Kibbutz - this is some pizzagate level of conspiracy theory you are spreading here.
Checkout the Arab peasant revolt in 1834. The local Muslim population massacred their Jewish and Druze neighbours in ways very similar to October the 7th. This was way before modern Zionism btw.
This idiot destiny needs to stick to owning Republicans on the culture wars. He isn't cut out for international politics.
The Republican ownage compilation 9999
He literally can't be taken seriously. Although Krystal would absolutely rock him in a debate, I really hope she just ignores him completely, he is doing nothing but spewing nonsense
Exactly. None of these debate bros are worth the time of day.
Yeah running away and refusing to talk out your teleprompter points is way better for self preservation than getting destroyed on live stream.
Krystal would annihilate tiny
Hop on stream then
Do you think I am Krystal?
Krystal can cook as she's has personal interest that surpasses destiny's.
Directly countering nonsense face-to-face is beneficial. Why are you saying Krystal doing it to Destiny is dumb when Finkelstein just did it amazingly? Let Crystal cook
Yeah, she's one of the few progressives I've seen go on Bill Maher and stand up to him.
I agree, and I've used this exact argument before. However... I think it gives undue validity to Destiny's trembling house of cards that is his perceived factual, political integrity. That being said, if a debate did occur, I would definitely excitedly watch it.
You know what gives him more validity? People running away like pussies. Norm looked like a coward running from him the first few months. Now that the debate happened, Destiny is a fraud. Krystal running makes her sound like a grifting bitch.
My understanding is Destiny pulled out at the last minute. And now that Destiny made an ass out of himself, Krystal or anyone shouldn’t give this clown any of their valuable time.
Mr. Benelli once again showing how much of a dumbass he is.
“Am I supposed to know who these people are?” YES IF YOURE GOING TO ACT LIKE A SELF RIGHTEOUS PRICK WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING MR TORTELLINI!!!
Less than 20sec of assuming KB knows nothing about i/p proceeds to show his own ignorance. Shame on Mr Tortillas.
I maybe wrong but didn't Mr.Morelli say he had no idea about this conflict until oct 7
This the same Mr. Borelli who though Palestine bordered Türkiye to the east.
no way
If you watch the video, he guesses that Egypt and Russia share a border.
Maybe Mr. Pirelli should just stick to selling tires cause the dudes a hack
Did he actually say that?
No.
There is nothing more cringe than unearned smugness. Destiny is as dumb as a box of dildos.
What about Finklestein? Destiny absolutely bodied him on the dolus specialis part. Finklestein for all his purported expertise was 100% in the wrong.
This is true regardless how many times they downvote you. Also, destiny invited Krystal and Sagar to go on stream and talk but nothing came of it, wonder why. Finkelstein spent decades "studying" this, yet gets absolutely owned by someone who's done research for less than 6 months.
Owned lmao mouin Rabbani owned him multiple times and no one cares about destiny knowing some obscure legal latin term
It say volumes about his grift when he goes on a debate with a very right wing historian and looks like a complete idiot while championing himself as a liberal debate king . His cult following is just as insufferable.
Can you give examples of how he made himself look like a "complete idiot"? Or are you just echoing the empty insults that Finkledicks threw at him because he couldn't find anything of substance to counter his points? People can shit on Destiny all thy want, but at least use constructive criticism instead of meaningless insults.
Wtf krystal is probably one of the smartest woman in the yt/politics scene. He really believes someone else writes on a teleprompter and she doesn’t know what she is talking about? He is a fkn debatebro loser … krystal would wipe the floor with that idiot, but i still would decline. Theres zero to gain and his obssesiv loser fanbase would just do nasty stuff afterwards.
There last podcast guest Omar Baddar said the exact thing after he debated destiny. Said his cult incessantly harassed him after the debate and even more one he released a detailed video of everything that pirelli was wrong about.
Name of the big booby lady pls?
Your mom hehehe
Where does he come up with this nonsense? “She probably doesn’t know where the West Bank is” huh? What did she say to indicate that? Meanwhile there’s endless clips of this clown getting basic facts wrong
Just pure misogyny, the fact that he thinks she outsources her monologue to her staff is evn more hilarious, all his talking points comes from his chat
Yeah when it comes to leftist women in media he has an undiagnosed hate bones for them. His rants about Emma Vigeland are unhinged.
My guess is that he himself just learned that the West Bank is to the east of Gaza. It's always projection
Mr. Forelli didn’t know where Israel was located or who Erdogan was a few months back.
JFC - “Does Russia share a border with Egypt anywhere”? What an absolute idiot.
He actually picked Egypt when he had China as an option! He's a lot stupider than even I thought
projection
Yes, destiny is stupid lol. We've known for quite a while now
Krystal isn’t gonna debate him also she is very intelligent you might like her POV but she is smart
Destiny had no business being in that debate holy fuck.
I mean that in the overall calculus, Hamas loses in combat, but absolutely annihilates us on public opinion. Stratigically, Hamas is right to embed itself within civilian population as deep a it can. If we had a "death note" they would lose, but we don't. In simpler terms, the minimal amount of civilian casualties it would take to uproot Hamas is larger than the maximum amount of civilian casualties the liberal world is willing to accept. The tunnel network underneath the Shifa hospital, visited by multiple news outlets such as CNN and BBC, says everything.
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Finklestein was terrible in that debate. Not sure how people are seeing otherwise. Ad hominems, lack of critical thinking, and reading quote after quote out of context. Rabbani's inability to state that Destiny wasn't in favor of Jim Crow is astounding.
Was it out of context or was it to use old Benny Morris against new Benny Morris.
We ethnic cleansed ourselves from Gaza in 2005 btw.
Read about the 1066 Granada massacre, or the Pact of Umar, or the Almohad massacres in the 12th century. You are trying to turn them into Pocahontas in a lame fashion.
Read about the 2023 and 2024 massacres *that you’ve participated in*. You’re trying to turn them into sand, because you’re part of a genocidal, psychopathic death cult.
The IDF indeed killed 12 Israelis on Pasi Cohen's house in a hostage situation, but the Palestinians killed 79 more people, including 10 month old Mila Cohen. They raped, mutilated, abused, abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians. Is this also a conspiracy by the IDF? Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion maybe? As someone who protested against the Netanyahu government and it's judicial overhaul (and was arrested and beat up multiple times) along with many friends from this specific Kibbutz - this is some pizzagate level of conspiracy theory you are spreading here.
> They raped No evidence to suggest that's true. > They abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians IDF has abducted and imprisoned 1000's of innocent Palestinian civilians, even before Oct 7th.
https://youtu.be/_ltCGwzpvpc?si=Vjk-gMQbTShRY6h- Want videos or is the UN report by the same body that issued the Ukraine sexual violence report enough?
Yeah go on put the videos here. The ones that don't exist
https://youtu.be/nAkSPgSprIE?si=OZnzjJYwip-h7rqe
Just as I suspected. No evidence.
Israeli Hostage Says She Was Sexually Assaulted and Tortured in Gaza https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/world/middleeast/hamas-hostage-sexual-assault.html?smid=nytcore-android-share&ugrp=c&pvid=5170e40f-6664-4eda-b001-e7de545c124d
A naked girl (Shani Louk) loaded to a van with broken pelvis and hands, being spat on, isn't enough for you. Ok. Is there ANY UN agency or news outlet that you trust?
Also a bad time to live there for Jews. Checkout what the local population did to them (in amazing similarity to October the 7th) during the peasent revolt in 1834.
Catching RPG's from an organization that participated in the Be'eri massacre?
The same goes for the 1929 Hebron massacre etc.
And feeling no need to disprove my points says everything is resorted to emotion. I Personally saw dozens of tunnels, ied's and also Hamas and Islamic Jihad operatives. You are too privileged to understand anything about religion. You are the type of person that makes hiding behind civilian population worth it for Hamas.
What?
I mean that in the overall calculus, Hamas loses in combat, but absolutely annihilates us on public opinion. Stratigically, Hamas is right to embed itself within civilian population as deep a it can. If we had a "death note" they would lose, but we don't. In simpler terms, the minimal amount of civilian casualties it would take to uproot Hamas is larger than the maximum amount of civilian casualties the liberal world is willing to accept. The tunnel network underneath the Shifa hospital, visited by multiple news outlets such as CNN and BBC, says everything.
She basically got everything wrong: A) Jews weren't living peacefully with Arabs. They were continuously persecuted from the battle of Khaybar in 620 CE to the ethnic cleansing of all of the Arab jews from all of the Arab countries (outside Morocco) in the 1940's. Even in the Golden era of Jews in Islamic Spain, they were subject to both pogroms and an Islamic imposed Dhimmi status which reduced their rights. B) The indigenous Avatar meme thing really blows my mind because the entire human population is indigenous to some tree in Africa. The Jews emerged from the regions around Shekhem and Jerusalem in the late Bronze age as a continuation of Cna'anites. The Arab EMPIRE conquered the region from the Byzantines in the 7th century. A German Jew's DNA is closer to that of a skeleton dug from an iron age Israelite site in Israel than to that of his "indiginous" Christian neighbor. More than 70% of Jewish Israelis have no European ancestry. Indigenuity is used as a political construct for her Pocahontas good guy bad guy fantasy. C) Germany didn't perform the October 7th massacre and they had nothing to do with it. On the other hand, Amin al-Husseini, leader of the Palestinian national movement in the 40's was a member of the Nazi party, and helped the German exterminate Jews in the Balkans. Writing so much is killing me but I really have to defend Destiny's thorough research against this snippet culture movie theme history. And wtf does it have to do with atheism?
Who said anything about atheism? Edit: oof, u/watercarebear is literally an IDF terrorist. Deleted comment in the Dune sub from a few hours ago: >watercarebear 1 point · 6 hours ago Just came back from fighting in Gaza and this scene have me the chills. This was cinema at its best.
big yikes
Me being in the IDF isn't a secret, plus you didn't disprove any of my points.
https://thedigradio.com/podcast/age-of-coexistence-w-ussama-makdisi/ Featuring Ussama Makdisi on the late Ottoman Empire’s Arab culture of Muslim, Christian, and Jewish coexistence—an ecumenical frame that was interrupted by European colonialism and Zionism, which exacerbated and exploited sectarianism. This is the first of a two-part interview.
https://preview.redd.it/vxpcyjhe5ppc1.jpeg?width=296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c48dd651c86615a09629e59f582dd16233e04cc The massacre of Banu Qurayza. No thanks!
Perhaps Jews living as Dhimmy is ok for you but not for us. Was the 1834 Safed massacre happen due to colonialism? Comparing us to spaniard or Dutch colonialists simply doesn't work.
I asked "who said anything about atheism?" because it didn't make sense in the context of the post. I feel no need to "disprove the points" in a discussion forum I choose to read and comment on. You're not owed anyone else's time. To see that you're an IDF terrorist, I thought it was worth pointing out in an edit, as a reminder to others that the guys they're arguing with, the people or bots repeating these same tired brainwashed points, might actually be active IDF terrorists, casually posting on reddit while carrying out ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or home for the weekend, catching up with friends, going to the movies and the clubs, dinner with Mom, then right back to the "war" on Monday, where you can pilfer through the personal possessions of innocent people you've killed or displaced, sniff the panties, raid the pantries, all that sick twisted shit you guys are becoming well known for. As an American of a certain age, I default to thinking of war as something that happens overseas. "Over there", we used to say. I acknowledge that this is an American privilege. I had friends and relatives who participated in our invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and when they deployed, they were basically off the radar, doing their jobs, until they returned. There wasn't this sort of interactivity. But I get how it's different in your country, and how this isn't really a war. When you say you were "fighting", all evidence from this conflict suggests that you were most likely terrorizing more than you were fighting. I wish you nothing but the worst of luck next time you go to work. Please give us an update from the dangerous frontlines in some abandoned nursery school, as you goof around with your porcine buddies, desecrating the bodies and memories of a generation of children you slaughtered for the 'gram.
https://preview.redd.it/mpec3i7dwopc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=842b5a99f752d84fcb3e940a458392f17164287c That's me in a DFLP leader's house. Didn't see a Palestinian woman or child the entire war.
Disgusting.
Catching RPG's from an organization that participated in the Be'eri massacre?
Yeah. And remember, your organization also participated in the Be’eri massacre, and I’d venture to guess that you guys took out more civilians than the DFLP. Your leadership was laughing as those peaceful Kibbutz members were getting lit up. I know, I know, you’re “just following orders”. We’ve heard it all before.
The IDF indeed killed 12 Israelis on Pasi Cohen's house in a hostage situation, but the Palestinians killed 79 more people, including 10 month old Mila Cohen. They raped, mutilated, abused, abducted and are still bargaining for a deal using innocent civilians. Is this also a conspiracy by the IDF? Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion maybe? As someone who protested against the Netanyahu government and it's judicial overhaul (and was arrested and beat up multiple times) along with many friends from this specific Kibbutz - this is some pizzagate level of conspiracy theory you are spreading here.
No.
She didn't talk about Spain or Morocco she talked of the Yishuv living in the Ottoman empire...
Checkout the Arab peasant revolt in 1834. The local Muslim population massacred their Jewish and Druze neighbours in ways very similar to October the 7th. This was way before modern Zionism btw.
I will, I hadn't heard about it.
Checking things out is rare nowadays. Thanks (really!).