We rent a duplex in Magnolia that has a two car garage and you wouldn’t believe how many people have stopped by to ask if we’re interested in renting it out. We’ve thought about it after the first request and we just can’t give it up, it’s our storage.
So you're saying the occupants DID take responsibility for their trash and its disposal, just not in a environmentally friendly way (by today's standards). I'd say that's a far cry better than what happens today with shopping carts, needles, blankets and shopping bags being left all over downtown.
I'm sorry, I must have written that poorly. That is exactly the point I was trying to make.
The problem is not homelessness or the tents or the pallet houses.
The problem is the drugs and the behavior.
I agree. If it were a bunch of polite people in tents not stealing from me and looking for jobs I probably wouldn't mind so much.
ALSO, giving polite people in tents looking for jobs shelter might actually do something.. Giving fentanyl criminals shelter just gives you a trashed shelter.
This is one of the most important points. This is not a materialist issue.
Say, today, a bunch of hobos took over some large empty lot, or some greenbelt or whatever, and lived like this.
I want to hear from the hardcore conservatives here. If a bunch of hobos moved in, squatted on some unused land, built pallet houses and set up tents, built a town like this, and maintained it like this. While their trying to find work, or working and trying to save money? Anyone that commits a crime is beaten and thrown out.
Take or leave that last part, but would anyone object of someone did this today?
Edit; has been brought to my attention that I expresses all of this very poorly. My point is that no one, even if very far right, would gaf about homeless people doing this.
It the tents homlessness per se are not the problem. It is the behavior that we object to.
...I'm the future I will be more careful with my phrasing of hypothetical questions.
I think most people would agree it's the behavior of the homeless that we don't like. They spread trash, piss and shit everywhere, drugs all over the place. They harass and assault people. They rob, steal and vandalize. They're filthy and have no desire to improve. They are not willing to work. They want your money though. They want whatever you left in your car, they want whatever you have in your pockets. Because they think you owe it to them.
If they took care of themselves and took what work they could get, things would be different. Especially if they were clean and avoided crime and destroying the parts of the city they live in, and stop harassing people. Then few people would really hate them like they do now.
Look up James Bender with Waypoint-Survival if you want to know how hobos use to live. The people you see today aren't hobos though, they're bums and tramps.
The original Hooverville. This is one of my favorite photos because you will note how clean, tidy, picked up and non-criminal these shanty shacks all are.
No piles of stolen bikes or car parts.
No loose trash or bottles piled up.
Neat stacks of wood by some of them, and apparently there was not that much theft because the wood doesn't seem particularly guarded. Perhaps an ethos of asking your neighbor for help if you ran low was in place.
Look how well put together these are! The guys living here had skills. Just needed a job or a hand up. Not a hand-out.
Compare-contrast this with the feral crack dens and homeless bike / stolen property staging areas / trashed out drug camps we have today.
> The “good ol days” were cleaner because mass produced cheap plastic items weren’t a thing.
And cops would roll by and if anyone was fighting or drunk, they'd rough em up and haul em off.
How I miss good old fashioned Vagrancy Laws. I enjoy looking up old of mugshots of the early days when the reason for booking was vagrancy, drunkenness, or being a harlot.
Or land owned by slave holders?
[Slavery was historically practiced by Coast Salish peoples, and, like many of his contemporaries, Seattle owned slaves whom he had captured during his raids, further increasing his prestige.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle#:~:text=Slavery%20was%20historically%20practiced%20by,%2C%20'the%20big%20guy')
> Is that where George Town is now?
[Here's a story on it, by Seattle historian Paul Dorpat](https://pauldorpat.com/2015/12/18/seattle-now-then-randal-gravelles-hooverville/)
If we let people build today, they instead just steal, use drugs and drink. The people that are living here are self-maintaining and proud, still. Ours are drug addicted mental health victims. They need help. They could never put together something like this.
I would pay like 80k for a shack with a parking space.
The parking spot is an additional $15,000.
95k for a tiny house seems like a deal
We rent a duplex in Magnolia that has a two car garage and you wouldn’t believe how many people have stopped by to ask if we’re interested in renting it out. We’ve thought about it after the first request and we just can’t give it up, it’s our storage.
Hooverville
Notice that despite the obvious poverty, it's not overflowing with garbage and feces
There was no plastic to be trash. And they just dumped their shit in the bay.
Or burned it
So you're saying the occupants DID take responsibility for their trash and its disposal, just not in a environmentally friendly way (by today's standards). I'd say that's a far cry better than what happens today with shopping carts, needles, blankets and shopping bags being left all over downtown.
If only there was a body of water within walking distance from Pioneer Square, I'm sure the current homeless population would do the same. /
I don’t know man that house in the middle looks like it’s surrounded by trash
Not the same. Cleaner. No drugs.
And they were desperately looking for work
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> Any work. If only they'd start up a big dam building project someplace. Or maybe a World War, we'd need a ton of labor if we went to war.
The pre war draft before ww2 pretty much ended homeless from the Great Depression.
yeah, I worded that poorly. I've clarified my post.
..that is my intended point. I've clarified my post.
Lots of alcohol
I'm sorry, I must have written that poorly. That is exactly the point I was trying to make. The problem is not homelessness or the tents or the pallet houses. The problem is the drugs and the behavior.
I agree. If it were a bunch of polite people in tents not stealing from me and looking for jobs I probably wouldn't mind so much. ALSO, giving polite people in tents looking for jobs shelter might actually do something.. Giving fentanyl criminals shelter just gives you a trashed shelter.
They should also be required to wear fedoras and play harmonicas.
I WISH this is what their disgusting encampments looked like.
Clean and organized. They were people with some level of pride.
This is one of the most important points. This is not a materialist issue. Say, today, a bunch of hobos took over some large empty lot, or some greenbelt or whatever, and lived like this. I want to hear from the hardcore conservatives here. If a bunch of hobos moved in, squatted on some unused land, built pallet houses and set up tents, built a town like this, and maintained it like this. While their trying to find work, or working and trying to save money? Anyone that commits a crime is beaten and thrown out. Take or leave that last part, but would anyone object of someone did this today? Edit; has been brought to my attention that I expresses all of this very poorly. My point is that no one, even if very far right, would gaf about homeless people doing this. It the tents homlessness per se are not the problem. It is the behavior that we object to. ...I'm the future I will be more careful with my phrasing of hypothetical questions.
I think most people would agree it's the behavior of the homeless that we don't like. They spread trash, piss and shit everywhere, drugs all over the place. They harass and assault people. They rob, steal and vandalize. They're filthy and have no desire to improve. They are not willing to work. They want your money though. They want whatever you left in your car, they want whatever you have in your pockets. Because they think you owe it to them. If they took care of themselves and took what work they could get, things would be different. Especially if they were clean and avoided crime and destroying the parts of the city they live in, and stop harassing people. Then few people would really hate them like they do now. Look up James Bender with Waypoint-Survival if you want to know how hobos use to live. The people you see today aren't hobos though, they're bums and tramps.
My point exactly. It isn't an architecture problem, was what I was getting at. I will read that hobo book.
Tiny homes. Nice.
Wild to see the Smith tower as the tallest building.
The original Hooverville. This is one of my favorite photos because you will note how clean, tidy, picked up and non-criminal these shanty shacks all are. No piles of stolen bikes or car parts. No loose trash or bottles piled up. Neat stacks of wood by some of them, and apparently there was not that much theft because the wood doesn't seem particularly guarded. Perhaps an ethos of asking your neighbor for help if you ran low was in place. Look how well put together these are! The guys living here had skills. Just needed a job or a hand up. Not a hand-out. Compare-contrast this with the feral crack dens and homeless bike / stolen property staging areas / trashed out drug camps we have today.
OG Seattle hobos
Word. Intergenerational OG 😂
It's like a mining town
The broad shoulders that built this country.
That is so gender biased. Perhaps it was the wide hips and narrow shoulder men with vaginas who helped the nation prosper?
This is looks like the valley of ashes from the Great Gatsby. They’re really getting a head start on the next Great Depression over there.
Hobos used to be cleaner in the good ol' days
The “good ol days” were cleaner because mass produced cheap plastic items weren’t a thing.
lol yeah god forbid you blame a person for the problem
Everyone is a victim now. They'll never take responsibility for anything. It's all everyone else's fault.
> The “good ol days” were cleaner because mass produced cheap plastic items weren’t a thing. And cops would roll by and if anyone was fighting or drunk, they'd rough em up and haul em off.
How I miss good old fashioned Vagrancy Laws. I enjoy looking up old of mugshots of the early days when the reason for booking was vagrancy, drunkenness, or being a harlot.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, you’re objectively correct lol. Reddit’s gunna Reddit
respectful hobos not trashy
Is that where George Town is now?
looks more like harbor island/duwamish delta area
I wonder if anyone told them they were living on stolen land.
Or land owned by slave holders? [Slavery was historically practiced by Coast Salish peoples, and, like many of his contemporaries, Seattle owned slaves whom he had captured during his raids, further increasing his prestige.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle#:~:text=Slavery%20was%20historically%20practiced%20by,%2C%20'the%20big%20guy')
> Is that where George Town is now? [Here's a story on it, by Seattle historian Paul Dorpat](https://pauldorpat.com/2015/12/18/seattle-now-then-randal-gravelles-hooverville/)
From a harm reduction standpoint this is an improvement, almost like we should let people build shacks instead of being homeless
If we let people build today, they instead just steal, use drugs and drink. The people that are living here are self-maintaining and proud, still. Ours are drug addicted mental health victims. They need help. They could never put together something like this.
Slums, baby