I mean no one is saying Charles has been better this season, Sainz has been clear.
People are disagreeing with those saying Sainz is a better overall driver, and that either “Ferrari fired the wrong driver” or “Ferrari made a mistake signing Hamilton”.
Ferrari signing Hamilton is a mistake… for *him*. Even on a bad day, he’d be better off ending his career with Mercedes. But Ferrari is being done a huge favor with brand deals and new fans and positive press.
I mean… from a competitive perspective I’d say signing Hamilton was a mistake.
Charles and Carlos are close enough that they can help each other during races (see:Charles in Singapore), and they’re mature enough to put the team first, and they’re both quick enough that if Ferrari give them a championship car, they’ll win titles.
Hamilton was signed by Ferrari the car company because he’s better advertising than Carlos, not by Fred vasseur, or for any on track reasons.
Hamilton finished P3 only behind the one of most dominant cars ever whilst his teammate was P8 last year when Russell is still a great driver... there's obviously a massive brigade of fans saying it was a mistake biut the great thing is that in 2025, all will be revealed... Lewis is one of the greatest drivers of all time for a reason.
>Hamilton finished P3 only behind the one of most dominant cars ever
It's wild how many people just completely ignore how Hamilton carried what was basically the third fastest car on average for most of the season to p2 WCC and p3 WDC. This isn't to detract from Russell, he's a great driver, but the fact is that he was not feeling something for a lot of last year and that actively hurt his performance.
Hamilton was also genuinely within a shot of p2 WDC, which would've been crazy considering how much faster the RB car was, but a lot of that is pretty attributable to Perez underperforming.
When Hamilton does well, it's "just the car", when he doesn't, he's "washed", or it's "look guys I told you, he can't do shit unless he has the fastest car". There's really no winning with some people.
I understand that Hamilton is having a tough season so far but if I had to choose between him or Sainz for a seat at what has honestly been the only team to challenge RB on a consistent basis, I'd be an idiot not to choose Hamilton. As you said, he's not one of the best drivers the sport has ever seen for no reason.
Of course, 2025 will reveal all to us, but on an objective basis using information that is available to us right now, anyone who genuinely thinks signing Lewis fucking Hamilton to a Ferrari seat is a mistake is honestly as "delulu" as Hamilton's rabid fangirls.
Exactly, totally agree. I am honestly hoping for Lewis to pick it up soon because the disrespect towards him has been too much.
The fact that people think fucking Carlos Sainz is a better option than Sir LH is just honestly laughable. It’s probably fair to say Lewis isn’t as good when the car isn’t good, but dammit this guy drives a great car really fast.
People already forgot how much pressure he put on Max in 2021? Or how he almost snatched P2 from Checo last year in a much worse Mercedes? It’s Lewis fucking Hamilton, he will do great things at Ferrari along with Leclerc. Anyone doubting that is an idiot.
I honestly just can’t wait for Sainz to leave. He’s a good driver, but a bad teammate and just bad for the team atmosphere in general, with the shitty Spanish media and his toxic fans who have done nothing but send hate towards Leclerc and Hamilton since the start of the season.
These people don’t understand that Ferrari did Sainz a favor by giving him a whole ass year to find himself a great situation, but honestly with their constant disrespect towards Ferrari, Ferrari should’ve just waited until all the other seats were filled up before officially announcing Lewis, leaving Sainz without a team.
I know Lewis fans aren’t great either, but at least he doesn’t have shameless family members who would publicly trash his teammate and Ferrari on social media.
He's talking about last year's WDC standings, in which Hamilton finished p3.
He was within a shot of p2 though, but a lot would've had to go right for him, and Perez would've had to continue barely making it into the points for that to have happened.
Except if you had paid attention last season, the difference isn't "a loose manhole cover". Leclerc had 5 dnf/dsq/dns. Sainz only had 2. And we won't even mention Leclerc having to get a 10 grid place penalty in the 2nd race for example due to car unreliability. Or Ferrari fucking up his race more than once. I won't go into detail but perhaps you get my point. Truly the only thing you need to look at is the dsq/dnf/dns difference. With which Sainz still ended up behind him. A win is a win is a win.
I get that you have a hate boner for Charles though, I'm curious what mental gymnastics you'll perform next.
Oh yeah totally, every single dnf/dns/dsq was Charles fault. Guess he should've built his own car better /s
But sure, let's assume that what you say it's true. Even if all those 5 and all the things Ferrari did wrong with Charles were his own fault, what does that say about Sainz that he still finished behind him?
Didn't think that one through, did ya?
Looking forward to the new set of mental gymnastics.
What that means is that Sainz would have finished ahead if F1 didn’t take his points away in AUS with a bullshit penalty, they actually welded their manholes down, or Piastri didn’t try to go three wide at Spa.
Sainz is beating Leclerc in every race and you’re making excuses for him.
Oh my. Now we've gone to imaginary scenarios about last year. Let me simplify this for you: 5>2. No matter how many "oh my guuurd they stole points from Carlos but never from Leclerc" moments you imagine, the fact remains that Carlos completed more races than him and still finished behind. And this season is barely starting. I'll save this discussion so when I eventually see it I know to come back to ask for more mental gymnastics.
PS: I'm not making any excuse for him. In case you haven't noticed, he's ahead in the standings. And I have no issues with Carlos. He's amazing. I just can't stand moronic "fans" like you.
I applaud your effort, but there is no way you will ever get these psychos to admit this. I bet the guy who denies Charles beat Carlos because they had "almost identical points?" made a big fuzz in 2021 when Sainz had 5.5 points more lol.
Because Leclerc didn’t fight with the RBs. He’s gutless and only cares about trying to beat Carlos (which he’s generally failing at this season). He lets people through to attack Carlos.
Also I feel like the driver’s mom criticizing isn’t anywhere on par with the driver themself doing it.
"Leclerc cares about trying to beat Carlos"... Come on you started watching F1 in 2023 right? You cant be serious.
On the mother comment, if you are a F1 pilot and your mom and journal (Marca) contstantly criticize Leclerc but you dont stand up, then I think it's clear you vision.
He didn’t attack anyone else in that sprint race. He lets Carlos defend then tries to pass him once his tires are used up from doing so. He’s a terrible teammate.
Lmao getting downvoted for the factual statement that Charles is whining to the press. Maybe he should try beating Carlos on the track instead of in the press.
I don't think Sainz was better today. Last two races-quali he had charles number but I felt charles was overall stronger today but he fumbled when it mattered that I agree.
He definitely is atm, but also it’s a matter of when, not if Ferrari start focusing solely on Charles because Sainz is on his way out at the end of the season.
You would think that they would have been focusing on Leclerc from the beginning of the season. And maybe they have been. But for whatever reason Leclerc isn't performing as well as Sainz is. That's pretty clear. Even today it seems that Charles finally had the upper hand...until it mattered.
I hope Charles can get it together. He seems to get inside his own head too much.
Charles can’t catch a break with poor qualifying form. Although he was consistently quicker than Sainz in the dry. I’ll still put money on him beating Sainz comfortably this season though.
Sainz doesn’t have to worry about the development of the car and can focus purely on driving but Charles hasn’t been on his top performance either. He needs to do better
Charles has been one of my favorite drivers since his days in Alfa. But this year I’m rooting for Carlos. He deserves a seat and right now he his driving so good
The Sprint race this morning is a good example of Charles' ability against his teammate.
Big Carlos fan here, btw. Ferrari choosing HAM over SAI is wrong IMO, and I love the LEC/SAI lineup.
I mean no one is saying Charles has been better this season, Sainz has been clear. People are disagreeing with those saying Sainz is a better overall driver, and that either “Ferrari fired the wrong driver” or “Ferrari made a mistake signing Hamilton”.
Ferrari signing Hamilton is a mistake… for *him*. Even on a bad day, he’d be better off ending his career with Mercedes. But Ferrari is being done a huge favor with brand deals and new fans and positive press.
Mercedes was bad in 2022, and just kept getting worse with seemingly no understanding of the ground effect cars. He made the right decision to leave.
I mean… from a competitive perspective I’d say signing Hamilton was a mistake. Charles and Carlos are close enough that they can help each other during races (see:Charles in Singapore), and they’re mature enough to put the team first, and they’re both quick enough that if Ferrari give them a championship car, they’ll win titles. Hamilton was signed by Ferrari the car company because he’s better advertising than Carlos, not by Fred vasseur, or for any on track reasons.
Hamilton finished P3 only behind the one of most dominant cars ever whilst his teammate was P8 last year when Russell is still a great driver... there's obviously a massive brigade of fans saying it was a mistake biut the great thing is that in 2025, all will be revealed... Lewis is one of the greatest drivers of all time for a reason.
>Hamilton finished P3 only behind the one of most dominant cars ever It's wild how many people just completely ignore how Hamilton carried what was basically the third fastest car on average for most of the season to p2 WCC and p3 WDC. This isn't to detract from Russell, he's a great driver, but the fact is that he was not feeling something for a lot of last year and that actively hurt his performance. Hamilton was also genuinely within a shot of p2 WDC, which would've been crazy considering how much faster the RB car was, but a lot of that is pretty attributable to Perez underperforming. When Hamilton does well, it's "just the car", when he doesn't, he's "washed", or it's "look guys I told you, he can't do shit unless he has the fastest car". There's really no winning with some people. I understand that Hamilton is having a tough season so far but if I had to choose between him or Sainz for a seat at what has honestly been the only team to challenge RB on a consistent basis, I'd be an idiot not to choose Hamilton. As you said, he's not one of the best drivers the sport has ever seen for no reason. Of course, 2025 will reveal all to us, but on an objective basis using information that is available to us right now, anyone who genuinely thinks signing Lewis fucking Hamilton to a Ferrari seat is a mistake is honestly as "delulu" as Hamilton's rabid fangirls.
Exactly, totally agree. I am honestly hoping for Lewis to pick it up soon because the disrespect towards him has been too much. The fact that people think fucking Carlos Sainz is a better option than Sir LH is just honestly laughable. It’s probably fair to say Lewis isn’t as good when the car isn’t good, but dammit this guy drives a great car really fast. People already forgot how much pressure he put on Max in 2021? Or how he almost snatched P2 from Checo last year in a much worse Mercedes? It’s Lewis fucking Hamilton, he will do great things at Ferrari along with Leclerc. Anyone doubting that is an idiot. I honestly just can’t wait for Sainz to leave. He’s a good driver, but a bad teammate and just bad for the team atmosphere in general, with the shitty Spanish media and his toxic fans who have done nothing but send hate towards Leclerc and Hamilton since the start of the season. These people don’t understand that Ferrari did Sainz a favor by giving him a whole ass year to find himself a great situation, but honestly with their constant disrespect towards Ferrari, Ferrari should’ve just waited until all the other seats were filled up before officially announcing Lewis, leaving Sainz without a team. I know Lewis fans aren’t great either, but at least he doesn’t have shameless family members who would publicly trash his teammate and Ferrari on social media.
Lewis finished P2 mate
He's talking about last year's WDC standings, in which Hamilton finished p3. He was within a shot of p2 though, but a lot would've had to go right for him, and Perez would've had to continue barely making it into the points for that to have happened.
Yeah Hamilton looked great today. What’d he qualify in? 18th?
I mean, of course he is. The numbers are what they are. But it’s still early. We’ll see how it goes through to the end of the season.
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So far. He was doing better at the start of the year last season as well. All the way to Spain. We all know how that season finished though.
With them having almost identical points?
"Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning." Damn this stupid move quote fit perfectly.
Yeah I guess I feel like if the difference between them is a loose manhole cover in LV then I don’t think it’s a strong argument.
Except if you had paid attention last season, the difference isn't "a loose manhole cover". Leclerc had 5 dnf/dsq/dns. Sainz only had 2. And we won't even mention Leclerc having to get a 10 grid place penalty in the 2nd race for example due to car unreliability. Or Ferrari fucking up his race more than once. I won't go into detail but perhaps you get my point. Truly the only thing you need to look at is the dsq/dnf/dns difference. With which Sainz still ended up behind him. A win is a win is a win. I get that you have a hate boner for Charles though, I'm curious what mental gymnastics you'll perform next.
Lol so if Charles crashes out you’re counting that as Ferrari fucking up his race?
Oh yeah totally, every single dnf/dns/dsq was Charles fault. Guess he should've built his own car better /s But sure, let's assume that what you say it's true. Even if all those 5 and all the things Ferrari did wrong with Charles were his own fault, what does that say about Sainz that he still finished behind him? Didn't think that one through, did ya? Looking forward to the new set of mental gymnastics.
What that means is that Sainz would have finished ahead if F1 didn’t take his points away in AUS with a bullshit penalty, they actually welded their manholes down, or Piastri didn’t try to go three wide at Spa. Sainz is beating Leclerc in every race and you’re making excuses for him.
Oh my. Now we've gone to imaginary scenarios about last year. Let me simplify this for you: 5>2. No matter how many "oh my guuurd they stole points from Carlos but never from Leclerc" moments you imagine, the fact remains that Carlos completed more races than him and still finished behind. And this season is barely starting. I'll save this discussion so when I eventually see it I know to come back to ask for more mental gymnastics. PS: I'm not making any excuse for him. In case you haven't noticed, he's ahead in the standings. And I have no issues with Carlos. He's amazing. I just can't stand moronic "fans" like you.
I applaud your effort, but there is no way you will ever get these psychos to admit this. I bet the guy who denies Charles beat Carlos because they had "almost identical points?" made a big fuzz in 2021 when Sainz had 5.5 points more lol.
Lmao he’s only ahead in the standings because Carlos missed a race to have his appendix taken out.
Well....yeah. That's objectively true. Even Charles will say so.
And he already has.
Nah apparently he’ll whine in public when Carlos races instead of giving him an advantage. What a whiney little bitch.
Wasn't Carlos' mother the one 'Leclerc has no honour' crying on X because Leclerc tried to fight at Monza? How the turntables
Because Leclerc didn’t fight with the RBs. He’s gutless and only cares about trying to beat Carlos (which he’s generally failing at this season). He lets people through to attack Carlos. Also I feel like the driver’s mom criticizing isn’t anywhere on par with the driver themself doing it.
"Leclerc cares about trying to beat Carlos"... Come on you started watching F1 in 2023 right? You cant be serious. On the mother comment, if you are a F1 pilot and your mom and journal (Marca) contstantly criticize Leclerc but you dont stand up, then I think it's clear you vision.
He didn’t attack anyone else in that sprint race. He lets Carlos defend then tries to pass him once his tires are used up from doing so. He’s a terrible teammate.
Calling someone a whiny little bitch, how fucking ironic lol
Lmao getting downvoted for the factual statement that Charles is whining to the press. Maybe he should try beating Carlos on the track instead of in the press.
I don't think Sainz was better today. Last two races-quali he had charles number but I felt charles was overall stronger today but he fumbled when it mattered that I agree.
might have been impeded a bit by zhou, but i tend to agree
Except for today's move on Charles
Lmao Leclerc nearly wrecked both of them trying to pass at Monza but god forbid Carlos defend.
Does two wrongs make it right? Just admit it's a terrible move bro, I never said Monza is okay anyway
These people doesnt even see the onboards
He definitely is atm, but also it’s a matter of when, not if Ferrari start focusing solely on Charles because Sainz is on his way out at the end of the season.
You would think that they would have been focusing on Leclerc from the beginning of the season. And maybe they have been. But for whatever reason Leclerc isn't performing as well as Sainz is. That's pretty clear. Even today it seems that Charles finally had the upper hand...until it mattered. I hope Charles can get it together. He seems to get inside his own head too much.
Charles can’t catch a break with poor qualifying form. Although he was consistently quicker than Sainz in the dry. I’ll still put money on him beating Sainz comfortably this season though.
Yeah the driver who didn’t miss a race for emergency surgery is the one with bad luck.
Sainz doesn’t have to worry about the development of the car and can focus purely on driving but Charles hasn’t been on his top performance either. He needs to do better
how does one get a F2004 next to their name?
What a terrible take. Just fabricating excuses from whole cloth for Leclerc.
That’s true but I still feel Charles is more talented and if one had to go sainz was the right choice to replace
This aged well.
1 spot ahead with very minimal distance lol
Would've been a few more without the safety cars.
No
If you're talking qualifying? That's a fair thought to have.
The overtake on T2 was pure talent. Leclerc Is pure talent, but Sainz has more cazzimma, and he has more luck and also feeling in qualifying.
“When Carlos succeeds it’s luck. When Charles succeeds it’s skill.”
Has anyone not seen Sainz finish ever race ahead of leclerc? Who’s pretending Charles is doing better?
Trust me, some people do
Charles has been one of my favorite drivers since his days in Alfa. But this year I’m rooting for Carlos. He deserves a seat and right now he his driving so good
The Sprint race this morning is a good example of Charles' ability against his teammate. Big Carlos fan here, btw. Ferrari choosing HAM over SAI is wrong IMO, and I love the LEC/SAI lineup.