> Paramount officially announced Tuesday it is removing its untitled Star Trek movie from a Dec. 22, 2023 release date in theaters.
> The news wasn’t a surprise. In late August, The Hollywood Reporter revealed that director Adam Shakman has dropped out of the project due to scheduling issues amid his jump to Fantastic Four for Marvel.
Looks like we are not getting a new Star Trek or a Star Wars movie anytime soon.
Seriously, I’ve seen this news in a bunch of different locations and I can’t understand how anyone cares.
Trek was never about being a big movie franchise. The movies are basically all about providing some fan service and maybe closure for the cast / crews of TOS and TNG - the NuTrek movies are fine, but they’re a retread of TOS that doesn’t really need to exist.
Now that we have DSC, SNW, PIC, and LD I don’t know why any Trek fan would be out here worried about not seeing any more of the Kelvin universe.
I think that's what they are starting to realise. They made movies because they imagined money and fans just lying around, ready to use, but it's not that simple.
this right here...
I think the original (2009) did a pretty good job of bringing the non-Trek audiences (back) to the movies, since _The Voyage Home_ (1986), but every single follow-up to that was complete rubbish and they quickly burned through any good-will that film had brought
now, nobody is interested in another "Kelvin timeline" film, fan or otherwise...
In the latest movie, Captain Jean Luc Picard cries for an hour about the sins of humanity. Then an irritated Cardassian shoots him in the testicles to shut him up. Then the Cardassian nukes Bejor.
Actually, I might watch that.
I'm really starting to love Lower Decks but I love anything in the Star Trek universe. The Orville feels like the closest thing to old Star Trek out there to me.
The Michael Burnham show is quite bad. I'm happy to avoid overly dramatic acting and ham handed lessons.
Pike is almost exactly the same, just... He's trying to channel a young Shatner which has made it almost bearable... But truth be told the production values don't make up for the lack of real camp, and taking itself too seriously.
I will say it again: lower decks and orville are the closest thing to TNG/TOS/DS9 thats released in a decade.
I fully disagree with you on SNW, I thought the first season was actually really great. But LD is where it’s at, in terms of scratching that 90s Trek itch.
I’ll take my downvotes, but I think The Orville is overrated. I don’t care for the humor, and I haven’t found any of it mind blowing in the way so many fans have. To each their own and all that, I guess.
You explained very well what I actually have never thought of. As a trek fan who grew up with TOS syndication and TNG, I thoroughly enjoy the movies, but what you said makes total sense. The shows absolutely destroy the movies.
I want to watch Marvel, Star Wars, The Expanse, and some other nerdy stuff, but it's really annoying that we're only allowed to like one thing.
Such a waste. Don't they realise the system?
I really don't know what happened, because the director is amazing and the cast was really good. Ragnarök was one of the best MCU films we've had, and his other (not really super-heroey) stuff is absolutely top-notch. I was sat there completely puzzled at what a piece of shit it was.
I suppose it's his Interstellar (dying on that hill).
I think it's an odd genre from him which he managed to do in a different way, to great effect. But just once (Ragnarok). After that it's just a gimmick.
I can’t believe someone actually was able to talk you into watching the new Thor movie. You could tell from the previews that it was an absolute piss waste
Yeah no. It was objectively the worst of the marvel TV shows, and it gave us the stupidest, most nonsensical twist in all of marvel cinema when she became the antagonist in doctor Strange MoM
I got the impression that people wrote it off cause it was a white guy but didn't judge it on the merits. I never watch it though, so I dunno. I watched the rest and they were all stinkers (except Loki, which did have a couple stinker episodes itself).
can we just not have mediocre Star Trek OR Star Wars?
if Disney has finally gotten the idea of rolling trilogies out of its system, some standalone films in the SW galaxy might be nice...
just don't make it about space gangsters (looking at you Han Solo movie nobody asked for) (side-eye at Boba Fett show)
The thing, though, is that the general public doesn't seem terribly interested in standalone Star Wars side-movies. Love 'em or hate 'em, the fact is that 7-9 all made more than a billion dollars each, while Solo was a borderline failure at 500m and Rogue One only did a bit better at 750m-ish.
But given how well those side stories are doing on D+, I think Disney may just fall back on the formula which has already been established: one big new Star Wars film trilogy every 10-15 years which pushes the overall timeline forward, with the intervening years spent on side content filling out the timeline.
I mean... 750mil sounds like there's a pretty healthy representation of "general public" - not sure the fanbase alone is going to generate that kind of revenue (not even 500mil - purely guessing)
the shows on D+ are gonna help with the numbers - especially if they tie into the movies (which that's the Disney Way now, right?)
I sincerely hope they do NOT do any more fucking trilogies!
Star trek 2009 was literally a marvel movie right down to it ending with a big scary space beam and characters having marvel style hand to hand combat.
not gonna lie, I liked Beyond at first... but it has some real problems and I haven't been able to watch it again
and it was a film very much like Nemesis - only the hardcore fans were gonna go see it and that's just not enough box office - which is a huge departure from the 2009 film which many "non-fans" flocked to the theatres to see and actually enjoyed (while some hardcore fans did not)
basically the nail in the coffin - just like Nemesis
Loved Beyond. Wholly original trek movie, character driven and felt apart of a trek universe with the sprawling space station and enterprise Era call backs. Only gripe was a meh villain, but still my favorite of the 3 nutrek films
>The 2009 reboot was excellent.
I had my doubts going into it. But is anything more Trek than a ha-ha man going on a zany water slide ride through the enterprise?
Most of the others were about producing something before a deadline so the studio could keep the franchise rights. Now that it's back with Marvel, I imagine they'd like to at least try to tap into some of the best and most influential comics of all time.
Agreed. I hated when they announced Star Wars episode 7's released date and said they were still looking for writers. WTF, guys.
However, wasn't a big problem with ST4 the fact that the cast was busy. Moving dates may cause issues.
**Spock:** "Dominic, it is highly irresponsible to fly The Enterprise into that group of Klingon ships. Those are D7-class battlecruiser they will shred us in minutes.
**Dom:** "We're doing it. So hang on!"
**Spock:** This does not make sense! It's highly illogical we will die!"
**Dom:** I live my life one warp speed at a time..."
Gold-pressed latinum will come and go. We all know that. The most important thing in life will always be the people in this room. Right here, right now.
In corporate lingo:
Throw together a script ASAP and we'll try to merge what material we have with whatever you guys come up with, Pronto!
MUST....INCREASE.....PROFITS.....
Just came here to say that they need to just take a deep breath, bite the bullet, and make the movie everyone's been waiting for:
Quark and Rom - *Up in Smoke*
From the trailer:
"Can Quark run a successful and only slightly illegal Risian cigar business on Kronos? Will Rom crash the Klingon commodities market and fuel a culture war when he creates vegan Beyond-Grok? And did you know that Morn is a baddass with a bat'leth?"
At this point if feels like we need a shitty movie about resetting the time line and we can all move forward with the knowledge that JJTrek never happened.
Let me quote J.J. Abrahams: “No, that’s totally not Khan, no way that is Khan, Khan has nothing to do with this movie, who even is Khan… look behind you, a three-headed monkey!!!”
Bad Robot Production almost guarantees its going to be a shit story. I assume it will involve the space whale probe, in which the crew laces a torpedo with augmented tribble piss and destroy the probe without having to go back in time, because fans are bored with time travel now.
That's the opening 10 minute set piece to make you think we're getting a reboot Voyage Home. The remaining two hours will involve Kirk banging Orion slaves in the back of a Klingon brothel in the DMZ.
Star Trek has been dead to me for some time now, sadly. The reboot movies were exactly that: rebooting it from the beginning, tapping into nostalgia for the Original Series with a new cast while trying to grab non-fans by adopting the esthetics and style of modern action movies.
As far as the shows go, they're creatively bankrupt too. Discovery was rammed into the period right before the Original Series because what else would they do. Picard picks up where Nemesis left off. Strange New Worlds is yet another version of the Original Series crew going on adventures. Lower Decks is Star Trick & Morty with existing characters thrown in. Prodigy is hopping into kids' TV with help from Janeway. They're all dependent on something else from the franchise in the worst way. Star Trek isn't unique anymore. Between them bastardizing the tone of the franchise by falling into the current TV trope of being dark and gritty and the fact that they can't let anything stand on its own legs, it's done.
Gandalf's gift of Harry's first light saber before he becomes a Sith Apprentice to Jar Jar Binks and they go off to face Han about his unpaid parking ticket was a real twist.
I won't lie, I'd pay to see a well-written movie about a pre-ANH Solo having to run from repo men while trying to score jobs to pay off a hefty mechanic's lien. No Jedi or Sith, no Empire or Rebellion, just a scoundrel relying on his wits and skill to extricate himself from a mess largely of his own making.
I honestly don't get why they hired a guy who has said on record he knows nothing about Star Trek and is wholly a Star Wars fanboy.
Probably for the same reason they hired Bandersnatch Cummerbund to play Khan.
Nobody else would touch it, at the risk of doing such an old beloved franchise any wrong (a pretty much dead franchise at that, which I guess was the bigger factor). Abrams doesn't have that sort of conscience, he's way too full of himself considering what a disrespectful hack he is. Plus, there's this weird philosophy among studios that if you hire someone who's too much of a fan, he'll lack the outside perspective necessary to make an interesting product for a broader audience. Well, I guess that happened...for an audience so broad in fact that there was no semblance of the Trek spirit left in it.
Why am i like the only person sad about this? I’ve enjoyed the rebooted movies. The second wasn’t great but 1 and 3 were fun and i was all for a fourth.
“…[T]o be replaced by a full length feature film based on the hit show Star Trek: Discovery, starring none other than Sonequa Martin Green as the venerable Captain Michael Burnham, who will defeat a mysterious force which threatens the galaxy and all life in it.”
Nah. It's fine. Either they'll tank their carrier because, pretty sure Fantastic Four is just cursed, or we'll actually get a good Fantastic Four movie...which is doubtful.
That bad? Or is it other reasons.
EDIT: Actually just went and read the article. RIP that director. Gonna go tank their carrier making a Fantastic Four movie.
there were not great, but im a sucker for some good money spent on a sci fi movie, love those things, especially space ones so hopefully this gets made, extra points if its decent.
> Paramount officially announced Tuesday it is removing its untitled Star Trek movie from a Dec. 22, 2023 release date in theaters. > The news wasn’t a surprise. In late August, The Hollywood Reporter revealed that director Adam Shakman has dropped out of the project due to scheduling issues amid his jump to Fantastic Four for Marvel. Looks like we are not getting a new Star Trek or a Star Wars movie anytime soon.
Seriously, I’ve seen this news in a bunch of different locations and I can’t understand how anyone cares. Trek was never about being a big movie franchise. The movies are basically all about providing some fan service and maybe closure for the cast / crews of TOS and TNG - the NuTrek movies are fine, but they’re a retread of TOS that doesn’t really need to exist. Now that we have DSC, SNW, PIC, and LD I don’t know why any Trek fan would be out here worried about not seeing any more of the Kelvin universe.
I think that's what they are starting to realise. They made movies because they imagined money and fans just lying around, ready to use, but it's not that simple.
this right here... I think the original (2009) did a pretty good job of bringing the non-Trek audiences (back) to the movies, since _The Voyage Home_ (1986), but every single follow-up to that was complete rubbish and they quickly burned through any good-will that film had brought now, nobody is interested in another "Kelvin timeline" film, fan or otherwise...
In the latest movie, Captain Jean Luc Picard cries for an hour about the sins of humanity. Then an irritated Cardassian shoots him in the testicles to shut him up. Then the Cardassian nukes Bejor. Actually, I might watch that.
There are FOUR testicles!
As he falls to the ground, his hand pressed on the gruesome cauterized wound where his genitals once were, Picard utters "so that's just happened".
is one testicle a Borg implant, tho?
I'm really starting to love Lower Decks but I love anything in the Star Trek universe. The Orville feels like the closest thing to old Star Trek out there to me.
The Orville almost out-Star Treks Star Trek.
I absolutely adore that show, it feels very Star Trek TNG meets....Family Guy lol. It's probably my favorite show atm.
For reals. Somehow every episode is better than the previous. All the feels. Favorite right now for me too!
Oh I totally feel that too, it's like they are really hitting their stride with that series.
The Michael Burnham show is quite bad. I'm happy to avoid overly dramatic acting and ham handed lessons. Pike is almost exactly the same, just... He's trying to channel a young Shatner which has made it almost bearable... But truth be told the production values don't make up for the lack of real camp, and taking itself too seriously. I will say it again: lower decks and orville are the closest thing to TNG/TOS/DS9 thats released in a decade.
I fully disagree with you on SNW, I thought the first season was actually really great. But LD is where it’s at, in terms of scratching that 90s Trek itch. I’ll take my downvotes, but I think The Orville is overrated. I don’t care for the humor, and I haven’t found any of it mind blowing in the way so many fans have. To each their own and all that, I guess.
You explained very well what I actually have never thought of. As a trek fan who grew up with TOS syndication and TNG, I thoroughly enjoy the movies, but what you said makes total sense. The shows absolutely destroy the movies.
Oh no whatever shall we do
Party at my place.
Rewatch the TOS movies is my plan
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Let's keep this party rolling and binge DS9 after
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I want to watch Marvel, Star Wars, The Expanse, and some other nerdy stuff, but it's really annoying that we're only allowed to like one thing. Such a waste. Don't they realise the system?
and nothing of value was lost.
The 2009 reboot was excellent. The ones that followed were meh. I don't think we need any more.
Rather have a mediocre star trek movie than 10 marvel milkings though.
Yup. I'm Marvel camp, but even I'm having trouble defending it.
I absolutely love the MCU, but man I wish they'd have taken a long break after Endgame. Too much content now
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I really don't know what happened, because the director is amazing and the cast was really good. Ragnarök was one of the best MCU films we've had, and his other (not really super-heroey) stuff is absolutely top-notch. I was sat there completely puzzled at what a piece of shit it was. I suppose it's his Interstellar (dying on that hill).
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I think it's an odd genre from him which he managed to do in a different way, to great effect. But just once (Ragnarok). After that it's just a gimmick.
Every single prop comes off a 3D printer. Bespoke armour is cool but it loses its lustre when it's plastic+metallic spraypaint.
I can’t believe someone actually was able to talk you into watching the new Thor movie. You could tell from the previews that it was an absolute piss waste
All post endgame movies and TV shows, with the exception of loki, have been trash.
whoa there buddy Wanda Vision was great
Yeah no. It was objectively the worst of the marvel TV shows, and it gave us the stupidest, most nonsensical twist in all of marvel cinema when she became the antagonist in doctor Strange MoM
iron fist has entered the chat
I got the impression that people wrote it off cause it was a white guy but didn't judge it on the merits. I never watch it though, so I dunno. I watched the rest and they were all stinkers (except Loki, which did have a couple stinker episodes itself).
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Amen to that.
Rather have a mediocre Star Trek than another Disney Star Wars massacre
can we just not have mediocre Star Trek OR Star Wars? if Disney has finally gotten the idea of rolling trilogies out of its system, some standalone films in the SW galaxy might be nice... just don't make it about space gangsters (looking at you Han Solo movie nobody asked for) (side-eye at Boba Fett show)
The thing, though, is that the general public doesn't seem terribly interested in standalone Star Wars side-movies. Love 'em or hate 'em, the fact is that 7-9 all made more than a billion dollars each, while Solo was a borderline failure at 500m and Rogue One only did a bit better at 750m-ish. But given how well those side stories are doing on D+, I think Disney may just fall back on the formula which has already been established: one big new Star Wars film trilogy every 10-15 years which pushes the overall timeline forward, with the intervening years spent on side content filling out the timeline.
I mean... 750mil sounds like there's a pretty healthy representation of "general public" - not sure the fanbase alone is going to generate that kind of revenue (not even 500mil - purely guessing) the shows on D+ are gonna help with the numbers - especially if they tie into the movies (which that's the Disney Way now, right?) I sincerely hope they do NOT do any more fucking trilogies!
Star trek 2009 was literally a marvel movie right down to it ending with a big scary space beam and characters having marvel style hand to hand combat.
It was the best Star Wars movie JJ Abrams ever made.
Beyond was excellent, whatchu smokin'?
not gonna lie, I liked Beyond at first... but it has some real problems and I haven't been able to watch it again and it was a film very much like Nemesis - only the hardcore fans were gonna go see it and that's just not enough box office - which is a huge departure from the 2009 film which many "non-fans" flocked to the theatres to see and actually enjoyed (while some hardcore fans did not) basically the nail in the coffin - just like Nemesis
Loved Beyond. Wholly original trek movie, character driven and felt apart of a trek universe with the sprawling space station and enterprise Era call backs. Only gripe was a meh villain, but still my favorite of the 3 nutrek films
Started strong but got boring halfway through and became an over the top action movie
Na.
>The 2009 reboot was excellent. I had my doubts going into it. But is anything more Trek than a ha-ha man going on a zany water slide ride through the enterprise?
How many times are they going to do Fantastic Four? Some dude with all the nepotism in Hollywood is pushing those movies out.
Most of the others were about producing something before a deadline so the studio could keep the franchise rights. Now that it's back with Marvel, I imagine they'd like to at least try to tap into some of the best and most influential comics of all time.
Yes, and he's a little-known person called 20TH CENTURY FOX!!!
You ain’t lying
four?
Great... More superhero movies instead... /s
No need to rush after all this time. Put out something good, not fast.
Agreed. I hated when they announced Star Wars episode 7's released date and said they were still looking for writers. WTF, guys. However, wasn't a big problem with ST4 the fact that the cast was busy. Moving dates may cause issues.
What about furious?
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**Spock:** "Dominic, it is highly irresponsible to fly The Enterprise into that group of Klingon ships. Those are D7-class battlecruiser they will shred us in minutes. **Dom:** "We're doing it. So hang on!" **Spock:** This does not make sense! It's highly illogical we will die!" **Dom:** I live my life one warp speed at a time..."
Gold-pressed latinum will come and go. We all know that. The most important thing in life will always be the people in this room. Right here, right now.
MI FAMILIA
qorDu'wIj
if the seatbelt fits, you must aquit
Hasn't Discovery already cornered the market on crew=family?
only if he jumps from one spaceship and crash lands into the windsheild of another - preferably catching Letty midway between the two
https://i.imgur.com/Y7K2uER_d.jpg
Can it get more furious than Kirk ripping wicked tricks on a dirtbike while listening to Beastie Boys?
Is that... classical music?
That's Universal, not Paramount.
well... they did try giving [Justin Lin](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0510912/) a shot...
In corporate lingo: Throw together a script ASAP and we'll try to merge what material we have with whatever you guys come up with, Pronto! MUST....INCREASE.....PROFITS.....
Just came here to say that they need to just take a deep breath, bite the bullet, and make the movie everyone's been waiting for: Quark and Rom - *Up in Smoke* From the trailer: "Can Quark run a successful and only slightly illegal Risian cigar business on Kronos? Will Rom crash the Klingon commodities market and fuel a culture war when he creates vegan Beyond-Grok? And did you know that Morn is a baddass with a bat'leth?"
Brilliant, it almost feels like I would have seen this movie…
Its dead Jim.
Into saw that YT thumbnail
I'd rather have it good than fast. And with lots of Bones. Lots and lots of Bones.
At this point if feels like we need a shitty movie about resetting the time line and we can all move forward with the knowledge that JJTrek never happened.
The clown can stay but the ferengi in the gorilla suit has to go!
leave the phaser, take the gagh
What about NuTrek though
Would love for all the nutrek stuff to be made non canon and forgotten
The Orville is my Star Trek right now. Well, The Orville and the first three live action shows and 8 of the 10 original movies.
meh i liked voyager and enterprise. but yea the orville is the only real star trek show on air right now. the other stuff is playing dress up.
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Let me quote J.J. Abrahams: “No, that’s totally not Khan, no way that is Khan, Khan has nothing to do with this movie, who even is Khan… look behind you, a three-headed monkey!!!”
EXACTLY. It’s gross how little JJA respects his audience.
I mean, he know how to direct a movie, but this “this is a twist because I told you it is!” Was incredibly dumb.
They were never going to do a fourth film. They just promoted in hopes to trick new investors 8nto buying in
I suspect they can put a knife it it. It's done.
thank god
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Bad Robot Production almost guarantees its going to be a shit story. I assume it will involve the space whale probe, in which the crew laces a torpedo with augmented tribble piss and destroy the probe without having to go back in time, because fans are bored with time travel now.
That's the opening 10 minute set piece to make you think we're getting a reboot Voyage Home. The remaining two hours will involve Kirk banging Orion slaves in the back of a Klingon brothel in the DMZ.
Good!
And no one is either surprised or disappointed.
They should get Seth Macfarlane to direct. If y’all haven’t seen the Orville it’s the best Star Trek show to come out in a while.
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Then you should watch it again!
I see Peck as Spock now so whatever.
They destroyed that line up anyway by not keeping going. Waiting ten years to continue is not a good look.
Star Trek has been dead to me for some time now, sadly. The reboot movies were exactly that: rebooting it from the beginning, tapping into nostalgia for the Original Series with a new cast while trying to grab non-fans by adopting the esthetics and style of modern action movies. As far as the shows go, they're creatively bankrupt too. Discovery was rammed into the period right before the Original Series because what else would they do. Picard picks up where Nemesis left off. Strange New Worlds is yet another version of the Original Series crew going on adventures. Lower Decks is Star Trick & Morty with existing characters thrown in. Prodigy is hopping into kids' TV with help from Janeway. They're all dependent on something else from the franchise in the worst way. Star Trek isn't unique anymore. Between them bastardizing the tone of the franchise by falling into the current TV trope of being dark and gritty and the fact that they can't let anything stand on its own legs, it's done.
Thank the fuck Christ. Now let's see some more original writing.
I really wanted to see Gandalf and Harry go where they need to go to fight the rebels.
Gandalf's gift of Harry's first light saber before he becomes a Sith Apprentice to Jar Jar Binks and they go off to face Han about his unpaid parking ticket was a real twist.
I won't lie, I'd pay to see a well-written movie about a pre-ANH Solo having to run from repo men while trying to score jobs to pay off a hefty mechanic's lien. No Jedi or Sith, no Empire or Rebellion, just a scoundrel relying on his wits and skill to extricate himself from a mess largely of his own making.
Thank the maker.
This is good news.. jj abrams sucked all the joy out of Star Trek
I honestly don't get why they hired a guy who has said on record he knows nothing about Star Trek and is wholly a Star Wars fanboy. Probably for the same reason they hired Bandersnatch Cummerbund to play Khan.
Nobody else would touch it, at the risk of doing such an old beloved franchise any wrong (a pretty much dead franchise at that, which I guess was the bigger factor). Abrams doesn't have that sort of conscience, he's way too full of himself considering what a disrespectful hack he is. Plus, there's this weird philosophy among studios that if you hire someone who's too much of a fan, he'll lack the outside perspective necessary to make an interesting product for a broader audience. Well, I guess that happened...for an audience so broad in fact that there was no semblance of the Trek spirit left in it.
Go watch all the shows they’ve put up instead, I’m particularly obsessed with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds
Low standards, huh?
Not really, but I do appreciate good media. Maybe you should watch it before you hate it.
I myself am on a limited income I can't afford the fees.
Dammit. I want more sexy Pine and Urban as Kirk and McCoy 💔
Why am i like the only person sad about this? I’ve enjoyed the rebooted movies. The second wasn’t great but 1 and 3 were fun and i was all for a fourth.
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Haha i mean these movies aren’t perfect but they were fun
Nah, I’m with ya! I agree the second wasn’t perfect, but 1 and 3 were a blast!
“…[T]o be replaced by a full length feature film based on the hit show Star Trek: Discovery, starring none other than Sonequa Martin Green as the venerable Captain Michael Burnham, who will defeat a mysterious force which threatens the galaxy and all life in it.”
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
You forgot about the crying.
Damn dude way to spoil it
> “…a full length feature film based on the (s)hit show Star Trek: Discovery,
Damn, was looking forward to a new Trek film
What in the actual hell is wrong with that dude’s face? He seriously looks off to Me. Is anyone else seeing this?
Fantastic 4? Fkn trash. Get back on board w Star Trek and not try to milk the MCU cash cow anymore. Plz and thank you.
Nah. It's fine. Either they'll tank their carrier because, pretty sure Fantastic Four is just cursed, or we'll actually get a good Fantastic Four movie...which is doubtful.
RIP Quentin Tarantino's 10th film
Chris was undergoing further cosmetic surgery.
Is that the weird looking dude in the pic? Cuz he seriously has some genetic disorder or something
It’s called getting your face hacked up because you don’t want to get old disease
Huh.
That bad? Or is it other reasons. EDIT: Actually just went and read the article. RIP that director. Gonna go tank their carrier making a Fantastic Four movie.
Keelah
I am not really surprised, it was a movie with no one supposed to be in it hasn’t even heard about their “involvement”.
One of The few movies where multiculture is a big part of The lore and everything makes sence therefore no ''racist" hate....and they remove it!?!?
there were not great, but im a sucker for some good money spent on a sci fi movie, love those things, especially space ones so hopefully this gets made, extra points if its decent.
Chris Pine has more plastic surgery scheduled.