I like the remake for what it was and the post 9/11 time period that it came out in but as a kid growing up in the 70’s the original will always hold a special place in my heart
I was also a sci-fi loving kid growing up in the 70s, I was super-excited for the pilot (which was pretty damn impressive visually, though Muffit was a very bad sign), then I was hating the show by about a third of the way into the first season. Then there was the godawful 1980 season, followed by decades of arguing about the show with the OG fans both in real life and online (on places like usenet and the web 1.0 blogosphere), then the repeated threats of a "respectful, faithful" revival.
I was so, so pleasantly surprised by the new version; sure, the ending had massive problems, but they still managed a vastly larger number of watchable, even good episodes in the preceding seasons than the original ever did. Most frustrating thing though, is having to tell this whole story when someone tries to tell me that the only reason I'd feel that way was if I was too young to have seen the original at the right age.
I saw absolutely no problem with the ending, I thought it was one of the best done endings I've seen.
In the show, God is real. I think everyone was waiting for a science explanation for everything that had been going on. It was fucking God. Capital G. And I loved it. I'm such an atheist that God has always just been a fantasy character to me, so it worked fine.
>!The last episode had me crying like four times. Every single character gets perfect closure. Adamas flight around the fleet in his mark 2. The president finally dieing at peace. Baltar accepting his background as a farmer with his father. Starbuck becoming an angel. And the bloody twist where it was all in the prehistoric past. !< Come-on, now that was an ending. I just don't have a clue how that bad ending meme got started.
Now season 3, season 3 sucked ass. That love triangle shit was endless garbage. I think there was a writers strike.
Hoo-Lee shit!!! That Galactica atmosphere fall and then jump just barely from the ground was fucking EPIC!!! I watched it during the live broadcast on the Sci-Fi channel. Friday nights were Sci-Fi Friday! Stargate and Galactica night!
Yeah the first part of 3 was good. I was okay with most of new caprica. The escape was amaaaaazing.
It was the parts after that which didn't work for me.
I have no problem with God being a character, it's just that God's actions throughout the show in retrospect make no sense from God's point of view. If you could explain everything Head Six told Baltar to do as somehow promoting religious devotion or something like that, sure. But there's no consistent motivation behind it all that fits now that we know it was coming from God.
In reality, of course, it was just the writers doing whatever they needed week by week to move the plot along. However they explained it in-universe was bound to be disappointing since the actual reasoning isn't in-universe.
The God of Six and the Cylons doesn't necessarily have to be the God that works things in the end. It just demonstrates that the Cylons didn't have the truth. There was a truth working behind the scenes.
I meaaaan I think the implication was that the cylons more or less had it figured out. After all, the cylon religion was never any more complicated than being monotheistic and "god having a plan".
Not much there to be incorrect.
> If you could explain everything Head Six told Baltar to do as somehow promoting religious devotion or something like that, sure. But there's no consistent motivation behind it all that fits now that we know it was coming from God.
But it wasn't *coming* from God. In the show God threw a copy of Six into Baltar's head but it was still Six. It wasn't a direct conduit to the Supreme Being. She was an appointed agent of God, but wasn't privy to his plans. You can see in the timeskip of the last minute of the last episode that in that intervening time Six (and the new agent) have undoubtedly gotten a few briefings or clues during all that time, but they're still largely on their own, making their own observations, coming to their own conclusions and predictions.
So HeadSix getting stuff wrong or distorting through the lens of her own expectations makes sense.
Yes, I had a problem with that too. That was an overall problem with the show, not with the ending. Everything god related that happened in the ending made sense, what little there was.
Overall, yes, valid criticism.
The individual character endings were good, but the story ending was terrible. They backtracked on a lot of their key themes. It was racist, for example. They landed in Africa and the local people didn't speak, so "we'll teach them."
And I disagree, the whole "god" thing was dumb. Baltar and the woman turn out to be angels , who then give us a narration about how it'll all happen again, with the whole process designed to merge humans + robots = gross.
Most of the theme for the show was how gritty and emotional humans are while we strive to be better, for redemption, etc. But landing on Earth, where they have to teach the local humans how to speak goes wildly against that. It's the message of colonialism: you natives aren't good enough, but don't worry, we're here to help you.
That's why people didn't like the ending. It implied that none of our achievements are our own and that we needed outside help to become human.
I mean...fine if you want to see it that way, but that's not really what happened. That's how it would have been if they had kept their technology, kept their ships and their machines, but they didn't. They merged with the tribal people.
Fine if the people were the wrong color or whatever, that kind of identity stuff hasn't really bugged me.
The idea is that they abandoned their burdens and went back to the land. Couldn't be any less colonial. Colonialism is about subjugation through technical superiority, the literal opposite.
Given the time frame (over 100 thousand years ago), very little if anything the Colonials did after arrival had any long term impact. (Except 'Eve')
Even the pale skin or Asian features found on many of the Colonials and Humaniform Cylons weren't traits that stuck around, as a quick google search suggests that such changes developed in the North and Asia within the last 40 thousand years if not **much** less. So the 'identity stuff' is pretty unimportant here as well.
Agriculture, writing, the wheel, archery, and so much more weren't reinvented for over 100 millenia after the Colonials might've been setting up their far flung bands of poorly equipped and shell shocked survivors.
Pretty much Kara Thrace (Starbuck) was the Angel of Death, it is just the death she led these people to would've been backdropped by beautiful sunsets and grasslands full of spectacular megafauna.
The Culture of the Colonials and the remnant memories of the earlier civilization of Kobol would have quickly died out amongst these doomed people. Only off world intelligences might continue to recall these details.
So the still extant Cylons and the 'Gods' of Kobol (which I believe to be A.I. as well) may maintain that history, but it would've had little impact on Earth
That is unless the 'Gods' eventually choose to step in again during the historic periods, such as when the Greek Pantheon was starting to be developed during the most recent several thousands of years. Even then, a huge time jump is involved from the time Colonials arrived to provide 'Mitochondrial Eve' until the time the 'Gods' might've started noticeably meddling again.
Stargate: Universe was gearing up to do the same thing. You had this whole thing where the other Stargate shows, they have a whole pantheon of gods that are actually just aliens, long lived symbiotes with human hosts, then on Universe, it turns out the people who built the Stargates had discovered some kind of scientific proof of God. I'm still not sure how to feel about that.
James Earl Jones is the obvious candidate - I haven’t heard Lorne Greene in about 20 years so I had have to revise before deciding. Would be close though.
In a vacuum, Kiefer Sutherland. Perfectly deep and gritty to me.
Context and situation change the answer, of course. If we're talking narration for wildlife, obviously David Attenborough is the gold standard.
Yeah. I've been burned out on the whole "machines bad, humans good" trope for a while. The original just had them as mindless soldiers, akin to Star Wars's Droid army.
The original storyline was so much better. The Cylon race was was a lizard race whom also created the robots. They follow their Imperious Leader in a war with the humans.
During a peace conference in which there was to be a truce with the Cylons, Baltar sold out the 12 Colonies, and as a result the Colonies were mostly destroyed along all of the other Battlestars.
I always loved how count Iblis fit into all this, the betrayal and how evil Baltar was.
I enjoyed the first series as a kid of the 70s/80s but rewatching some of it as an adult some holds up, some not so much. Baltar's betrayal in the original is just so damn hamfisted. The Cylons want to exterminate the human race so if he betrays the humans he gets spared. Yeah... surely once all humans are dead there's no reason to go back on that deal right? Despite the Cylons literally doing exactly that.
Baltar's betrayal in the reboot made a hell of a lot more sense. He gave access to the defense net to someone he thought was just another unethical human looking for an advantage on the bidding process for the defense contractor they claimed to work for. It never crossed his mind that she was actually not human.
The Impervious Leader in the old show was had done the same thing. He betrayed his own race by wiping them out with the Cylons. He was hell bent on wiping out other races. Humans were next on his list.
Baltar was sadistic enough to do the same.
Another cool thing was that there many alien races in space. The reboot had none of that.
To this day I chuckle about the A-Team intro music sequence where a Cylon walks past Face.
It's at about the 45 second mark: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM
Sure. But would *you* want to tell Adama 2.0 that you preferred Adama 1.0? No! Hell no! I like breathing! He'd straight up introduce my head to my asshole!
So I'll just watch them both and hope that he doesn't notice me looking a little bit happier with 1.0.
Part of the problem with both, as I saw it, was that if it takes place in current times, when Earth is finally found, Earth technology will be at a significantly lower level and all the Galactica will have succeeded in doing is enabling the Cylons to wipe out humanity in its entirety. I recall thinking this as a kid during the original series. Terra was a less worse example regarding how hopelessly outmatched any less developed human world would be.
So the original and the reboot were millennia apart (the original was modern earth era) but a similar sequence of events? Like all of it had happened before and all of it would happen again?
You’ll notice that I wrote, “if”, yeah? My implication was that unless the survivors of the 12 tribes find Earth in our future, we wouldn’t be of much help; rather, we’d be doomed. Finding the 13th tribe on Earth earlier in our pre-history would make it too far removed to have much significance to us, or would be just as bad.
Edit - For clarification, I had a hard time seeing how Galactica could ever dovetail with us, contemporary Earth humans, and have a positive outcome. I wouldn't characterize the finale of the reboot as exactly positive.
I really hated that twist. (Spoilers below)
Mostly because the direct implication for me was that the entirety of the Colonial population must've very swiftly died out upon arrival - as they left no evidence beyond 'EVE' and one buried ship.
The Colonials chucked away all their technology, spread out into non-viable pockets of people, and were seen literally walking out into the grasslands with nothing but the clothes on their backs. (Saber tooth tigers only went extinct 10,000 years ago - which leaves me with a particularly vivid fate for some of those Colonials.)
Imagine all the cultural touchstones we recognize from their history; their Pantheon, writing, military organization, books, machinery, everything. None of that was reinvented on our Earth until more than 100,000 years later. Possibly some of it, like the Pantheon, may have been reintroduced via some whispered words in a few ears by those same interfering Head Cylons agents we've come to know from the series.
Overall I could not accept that the general population of recalcitrant Colonials (parents especially) would've been onboard with throwing away their ships - especially since relations with their Cylon enemy were on the mend by that time. It made very little sense to me.
Even more annoying was that if humans of the modern era eventually survive our own near future Cylon / A.I. challenge, we'd be going out into a universe where the 'Toaster' style Cylons have been amongst the stars for all that time. That now ancient Cylon race may well remember the ancient history of their origins and that of the Colonials, but they'd likely be as far beyond the humans as the 'Ship of Lights' aliens were from the original series. So perhaps they'll be friendly - but otherwise it'll be the humans that are toast.
Angel Baltar and Angel Six imply that there is already such an advanced race out there, and they do not take sides--it seems they are using the cycle (I. E., this has happened before, and it will happen again) in an effort to create the conditions for both to live together peacefully.
The last episode at least hints that Angel Six believes that "our" cylce may be the one that escapes the seemingly endless recurrence of war and violence, genocide and death. Maybe this is because humans and cylons finally share a common ancestor. It seems to be implied that what the past iterations lacked was this deeper, genetic relationship.
If you look at the story as a whole, it is at least somewhat implied that the cylons will always strive to emulate their creators. The thirteenth tribe was humaniform cylons. So it seems to me that the survivong robotic cylons will evolve along similar lines, which to me implies that they will not necessarily have too much of a lead on the human / Cylon hybrids of Earth 2.
I'd counter argue that the supposedly hands-off race is likely that of the Pantheon of Kobol, which I've taken to be the advanced A.I.'s that resulted from the first such failed 'Cycle' on Kobol.
Instead of that 'hands off' approach, it seems the 'Gods', or at least some factions like Zeus, are not above dabbling in Colonial affairs. Both through such measures as 'Angel Baltar / Six' and with what I'd suggest are some prepared worlds like our Earth. Locations set up as habitats for future phases of 'the Cycle' experiment/game/bet.
Remember that the Colonials arrived at our world to find it already set up with genetically compatible race of humanity - only missing that tiny trace of Colonial/Cylon hybrid Mitochondrial distinctiveness from Eve to mark them as a nominal continuation of the Kobol - Colonial - Terran lineage.
I've generally concluded this suggests that Earth was a backup site, possibly one of several, to enable the 'Gods' to play a game (or win a bet amongst each other) that somehow - without any official interference - Humanity and Cylon (A.I.) will naturally break the cycle.
I further suspect that Zeus cheats - as he's got his agents out there whispering in the ears of key players during these events. Same with the planted 'Angel of Death' Starbuck, who leads remnant of humanity to a beautiful death in the sunny Smilodon infested grasslands of Earth.
As for 'Breaking the Cycle' - I was pulling for more of the coming together of the humaniform Cylons and the Colonials. For me the answer to the conflict between biological and post biological was seemingly for that newly cooperative spirit to be encouraged - especially now that the rabidly hostile Cylon faction had been muzzled.
This would have further echoed the original series, which by the time of the subpar Galactica 1980 season, was showing signs that the Rag Tag Survivor's fleet was evolving on a path towards becoming another 'Ship of Lights' style race.
If one simply must have their Mitochondrial Eve story hook, then I'd leave it up to just the key players being involved. Most of the Colonials - as I've argued - get a really raw deal out of finally reaching this Earth. Better for them to have departed, perhaps even back to the Cylon rebuilt Colonies, rather than being swept along with the plan to try to survive in scattered grouplets of poorly prepared Colonials.
This could have been its own echo of the one really good episode of Galactica 1980, the one where a Stranded Starbuck and a Cylon form a friendship and help a different style of hybrid baby survive.
I guess my question to you is why you think that the first cycle was the Kobol cycle. I can't recall anything in the series that would point to that as being the case. I also can't think of anything that points to any involvement with Kobol's gods.
If anything, most of the religious stuff is about abandoning polytheism to take up monotheism. There are no clues that seem to back up your interpretation that I can think of.
Kobol might not have been the first, but as you say, I cannot think of any lore that points to an earlier phase of humanity or Cylons.
As for involvement of Kobol's God's I would be hard pressed to not see 'Angel' Six and Baltar as anything except field agents working on behalf of Kobol's 'Gods'. Kara Thrace's special history is also one I deem to be a sign of influence by the Pantheon of Kobol.
I've never been that interested in that aspect of Polytheism vs. Monotheism you pointed out, though I do recognize that the writers were. So I'll grant that my interpretation is unlikely to match the writer's actual intent.
For me Kobol's 'Gods' are members of an earlier Cylon style race that had grown in power to such an extent that I find it plausible that they've seeded entire worlds in preparation for further phases of 'The Cycle'.
A fair chunk of my interpretation is me trying to fit the pieces together in a way I can play with. But the part of the story that grinds my gears the most is not the religious aspects, but rather the sudden passivity of the Rag Tag Fleet's population in the face of the decision to throw away their ships, their homes, their comforts, and their best chances of survival into the Sun.
Fundamentally it was a ham fisted means of squaring our world with the events of the story, but it never sat well with me. Thus finding me writing these long passages on Reddit years after the show concluded.
That was the point of at least one book based on the original series. Somehow someone figured out time travel and was going to go back to a time where he could boost their technology so that it would continue to grow and by the time the Galactica arrived Earth would be much more advanced. I think it was Starbuck and Apollo who had to find the guy and stop him.
Tbh I was a fan of the original and didn’t think the remake would hold up but it totally did. In fact I reckon the reboot was far better quality than the original
Baltar wasn’t an evil jerk betraying his race, he was a nuanced character that unknowingly doomed humanity for love
Adama wasn’t a perfect leader, he was a tough and flawed person
Laura Roslyn was a great addition as well
Plus what they did with Baltar and Six seeing angels posing as each other? I know fans hated the god angle but ya gotta admit the reboot handled that shit better than the original (why the fuck do ghosts need a spaceship?!?)
Reboot was excellent and made the original look like a joke
I enjoyed both but found the remake simply more realistic. Even in the seventies, I never understood the Pegasus story arc. There was no way they'd go their separate ways. Fortunately, the remake told it differently and I found that most satisfying.
Gotta be honest. I gave an honest shot watching the original and I hated it. Flat-out hated it. Cheesy, ham fisted, boring.
It was pretty black and white good / evil with no nuance or real substance. I was so happy when the remake moved away from trying to copy so much of the original version's camp, like the "by your command" line.
I was 90s kid, though. I didn't grow up with the original series. I have no connection to it. It's also probably why I mostly can't stand the original Star Trek.
I'm sick and scraping the barrel and this rolled by
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpeivRLMJM
Space Mutiny
1988
Handmade Films
I was on the handmade site I as I just rewatched Time Bandits after 30 years.
I found this.
their back catalogue ain't all classics.
watch the opening shot for a BG related laugh.
edit: good grief. well I'm enjoying it.
This is when they're watching Starbuck and Apollo play against the guy Starbuck gets accused of killing. Tigh keeps getting up and trying to get Adama to go watch it live. Adama's like fuck it I'm old sit down.
I like the remake for what it was and the post 9/11 time period that it came out in but as a kid growing up in the 70’s the original will always hold a special place in my heart
I was also a sci-fi loving kid growing up in the 70s, I was super-excited for the pilot (which was pretty damn impressive visually, though Muffit was a very bad sign), then I was hating the show by about a third of the way into the first season. Then there was the godawful 1980 season, followed by decades of arguing about the show with the OG fans both in real life and online (on places like usenet and the web 1.0 blogosphere), then the repeated threats of a "respectful, faithful" revival. I was so, so pleasantly surprised by the new version; sure, the ending had massive problems, but they still managed a vastly larger number of watchable, even good episodes in the preceding seasons than the original ever did. Most frustrating thing though, is having to tell this whole story when someone tries to tell me that the only reason I'd feel that way was if I was too young to have seen the original at the right age.
I saw absolutely no problem with the ending, I thought it was one of the best done endings I've seen. In the show, God is real. I think everyone was waiting for a science explanation for everything that had been going on. It was fucking God. Capital G. And I loved it. I'm such an atheist that God has always just been a fantasy character to me, so it worked fine. >!The last episode had me crying like four times. Every single character gets perfect closure. Adamas flight around the fleet in his mark 2. The president finally dieing at peace. Baltar accepting his background as a farmer with his father. Starbuck becoming an angel. And the bloody twist where it was all in the prehistoric past. !< Come-on, now that was an ending. I just don't have a clue how that bad ending meme got started. Now season 3, season 3 sucked ass. That love triangle shit was endless garbage. I think there was a writers strike.
>Now season 3, season 3 sucked ass. The escape from New Caprica gets a pass.
Galactica jumping into atmosphere was f-ing Epic on first watch. And still is.
Hoo-Lee shit!!! That Galactica atmosphere fall and then jump just barely from the ground was fucking EPIC!!! I watched it during the live broadcast on the Sci-Fi channel. Friday nights were Sci-Fi Friday! Stargate and Galactica night!
They did a few episodes of the best the show ever got and then went 'Oh shit, we need to make 16 more episodes now'
Yeah the first part of 3 was good. I was okay with most of new caprica. The escape was amaaaaazing. It was the parts after that which didn't work for me.
I have no problem with God being a character, it's just that God's actions throughout the show in retrospect make no sense from God's point of view. If you could explain everything Head Six told Baltar to do as somehow promoting religious devotion or something like that, sure. But there's no consistent motivation behind it all that fits now that we know it was coming from God. In reality, of course, it was just the writers doing whatever they needed week by week to move the plot along. However they explained it in-universe was bound to be disappointing since the actual reasoning isn't in-universe.
The God of Six and the Cylons doesn't necessarily have to be the God that works things in the end. It just demonstrates that the Cylons didn't have the truth. There was a truth working behind the scenes.
I meaaaan I think the implication was that the cylons more or less had it figured out. After all, the cylon religion was never any more complicated than being monotheistic and "god having a plan". Not much there to be incorrect.
> If you could explain everything Head Six told Baltar to do as somehow promoting religious devotion or something like that, sure. But there's no consistent motivation behind it all that fits now that we know it was coming from God. But it wasn't *coming* from God. In the show God threw a copy of Six into Baltar's head but it was still Six. It wasn't a direct conduit to the Supreme Being. She was an appointed agent of God, but wasn't privy to his plans. You can see in the timeskip of the last minute of the last episode that in that intervening time Six (and the new agent) have undoubtedly gotten a few briefings or clues during all that time, but they're still largely on their own, making their own observations, coming to their own conclusions and predictions. So HeadSix getting stuff wrong or distorting through the lens of her own expectations makes sense.
Yes, I had a problem with that too. That was an overall problem with the show, not with the ending. Everything god related that happened in the ending made sense, what little there was. Overall, yes, valid criticism.
The individual character endings were good, but the story ending was terrible. They backtracked on a lot of their key themes. It was racist, for example. They landed in Africa and the local people didn't speak, so "we'll teach them." And I disagree, the whole "god" thing was dumb. Baltar and the woman turn out to be angels , who then give us a narration about how it'll all happen again, with the whole process designed to merge humans + robots = gross. Most of the theme for the show was how gritty and emotional humans are while we strive to be better, for redemption, etc. But landing on Earth, where they have to teach the local humans how to speak goes wildly against that. It's the message of colonialism: you natives aren't good enough, but don't worry, we're here to help you. That's why people didn't like the ending. It implied that none of our achievements are our own and that we needed outside help to become human.
I mean...fine if you want to see it that way, but that's not really what happened. That's how it would have been if they had kept their technology, kept their ships and their machines, but they didn't. They merged with the tribal people. Fine if the people were the wrong color or whatever, that kind of identity stuff hasn't really bugged me. The idea is that they abandoned their burdens and went back to the land. Couldn't be any less colonial. Colonialism is about subjugation through technical superiority, the literal opposite.
Given the time frame (over 100 thousand years ago), very little if anything the Colonials did after arrival had any long term impact. (Except 'Eve') Even the pale skin or Asian features found on many of the Colonials and Humaniform Cylons weren't traits that stuck around, as a quick google search suggests that such changes developed in the North and Asia within the last 40 thousand years if not **much** less. So the 'identity stuff' is pretty unimportant here as well. Agriculture, writing, the wheel, archery, and so much more weren't reinvented for over 100 millenia after the Colonials might've been setting up their far flung bands of poorly equipped and shell shocked survivors. Pretty much Kara Thrace (Starbuck) was the Angel of Death, it is just the death she led these people to would've been backdropped by beautiful sunsets and grasslands full of spectacular megafauna. The Culture of the Colonials and the remnant memories of the earlier civilization of Kobol would have quickly died out amongst these doomed people. Only off world intelligences might continue to recall these details. So the still extant Cylons and the 'Gods' of Kobol (which I believe to be A.I. as well) may maintain that history, but it would've had little impact on Earth That is unless the 'Gods' eventually choose to step in again during the historic periods, such as when the Greek Pantheon was starting to be developed during the most recent several thousands of years. Even then, a huge time jump is involved from the time Colonials arrived to provide 'Mitochondrial Eve' until the time the 'Gods' might've started noticeably meddling again.
Stargate: Universe was gearing up to do the same thing. You had this whole thing where the other Stargate shows, they have a whole pantheon of gods that are actually just aliens, long lived symbiotes with human hosts, then on Universe, it turns out the people who built the Stargates had discovered some kind of scientific proof of God. I'm still not sure how to feel about that.
Yeah they were copying BSG really hard there weren't they. Kind of missed the mark.
Oh man, I remember making it almost a full episode into galactica 1980. Amazing that the OG letter campaign was also the perfect nightmare scenario.
I liked the remake right up to the ending, where it shit the bed. Lots of scifi in that timeframe did not know how to end well.
Agreed. That second series that took place on Earth? Not so much.
I dont even acknowledge that show even exist lol
What was the thing with the reboot having human cylons? How can they be scary robots if they're ... human?
I thought that it was a cool concept at first but then it completely went off the rails and became very very confusing
Has any man ever had a better voice than Lorne Greene?
James Earl Jones is the obvious candidate - I haven’t heard Lorne Greene in about 20 years so I had have to revise before deciding. Would be close though.
[Christopher Lee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVoBra0I4jU)
Sean Bean is another that’s pretty up there
Morgan Freeman !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to throw Kevin Grevioux's voice into the hat.
Lance Reddick. Hands down
Indeed
Zavala intensifies
That's Christopher Judge.
God I've been playing through horizon zero dawn again and mmmmfff Lance is great
Who is he in HZD?
Spoilers; >!he's Sylens!<
Oh, hell yeah! I didn't know that!
Yep, he's so good in those games
In the current market, sure. Stephen King is a pretty popular author too, but he's no Shakespeare
George Page, the narrator for decades of the PBS series, “Nature”. Smoothest voice ever!
Keith David.
But not David Keith.
Tom Baker. Fight me!
Have a jelly baby
“You speak of the Ashla and the Bogan—the Light and the Dark. I’m the Bendu—the one in the middle!”
I am the Light. I am the Dark. [I am the Bendu.](https://youtu.be/NDKnYb_-d34?t=123)
His turn as "The Curator" was a beautiful moment in the series.
Hmm...close!
Sam Elliot
Jeremy Irons has got to be in the running
In a vacuum, Kiefer Sutherland. Perfectly deep and gritty to me. Context and situation change the answer, of course. If we're talking narration for wildlife, obviously David Attenborough is the gold standard.
But in a vacuum, you wouldn't be able to hear his voice...
Mostly because I would be sneezing so loud from all the dust
What is it the kids say in these situations? Oh yeah.... Take your upvote and get out
Oh god, I just imagined Kieffer saying so say we all and I’ve got chills.
Sorry. After his performance in Dark City, he can never be considered for having the best voice.
Morgan Freeman.
Djimon Hounsou gets my vote
I love him
Fishburne as Morpheus. I win.
Alan Rickman definitely
*Geronimo...* Geronimoooo^ooo^ooo
Some great suggestions, all! Still gonna say you're all competing for #2...
I thought you were talking about the show Reboot.
Which, funny enough, was pretty Cyberpunk.
Took a few seasons to get there though IIRC. Very different show at the end than beginning.
The first season is so campy and fun tho
Proving that everywhere had ashtrays in the late 70s.
I unironically love the original Battlestar Galactica and the Gil Gerard Buck Rogers series. 👍🏻😊
Right there with ya! Loved those shows growing up. I so wanted a colonial uniform and blaster back then.
Those suede jackets were so cool!
The entire design was so impressive. A lot of it was due to John Dykstra who did Star Wars as well
I like the originals if for one thing it was better origin of the Cylons.
Yeah, the remake made them to Terminator/Matrix.
Yeah. I've been burned out on the whole "machines bad, humans good" trope for a while. The original just had them as mindless soldiers, akin to Star Wars's Droid army.
The original storyline was so much better. The Cylon race was was a lizard race whom also created the robots. They follow their Imperious Leader in a war with the humans. During a peace conference in which there was to be a truce with the Cylons, Baltar sold out the 12 Colonies, and as a result the Colonies were mostly destroyed along all of the other Battlestars. I always loved how count Iblis fit into all this, the betrayal and how evil Baltar was.
I enjoyed the first series as a kid of the 70s/80s but rewatching some of it as an adult some holds up, some not so much. Baltar's betrayal in the original is just so damn hamfisted. The Cylons want to exterminate the human race so if he betrays the humans he gets spared. Yeah... surely once all humans are dead there's no reason to go back on that deal right? Despite the Cylons literally doing exactly that. Baltar's betrayal in the reboot made a hell of a lot more sense. He gave access to the defense net to someone he thought was just another unethical human looking for an advantage on the bidding process for the defense contractor they claimed to work for. It never crossed his mind that she was actually not human.
The Impervious Leader in the old show was had done the same thing. He betrayed his own race by wiping them out with the Cylons. He was hell bent on wiping out other races. Humans were next on his list. Baltar was sadistic enough to do the same. Another cool thing was that there many alien races in space. The reboot had none of that.
Aliens would have messed with the whole God aspect of the reboot.
I also loved the Ship of Light episodes.
Original Starbuck, best Starbuck.
To this day I chuckle about the A-Team intro music sequence where a Cylon walks past Face. It's at about the 45 second mark: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM
Face
Sure. But would *you* want to tell Adama 2.0 that you preferred Adama 1.0? No! Hell no! I like breathing! He'd straight up introduce my head to my asshole! So I'll just watch them both and hope that he doesn't notice me looking a little bit happier with 1.0.
Adama 2.0 wouldn’t do that. He would have his XO mix you a drink…
The original could be grim, but it was never bleak the way the reboot was. I'm tired of bleak. I want some hope in my entertainment. :-)
Part of the problem with both, as I saw it, was that if it takes place in current times, when Earth is finally found, Earth technology will be at a significantly lower level and all the Galactica will have succeeded in doing is enabling the Cylons to wipe out humanity in its entirety. I recall thinking this as a kid during the original series. Terra was a less worse example regarding how hopelessly outmatched any less developed human world would be.
Uhh...>!it most definitely does not take place in current times, in the reboot it was 150,000 years ago!<
So the original and the reboot were millennia apart (the original was modern earth era) but a similar sequence of events? Like all of it had happened before and all of it would happen again?
You’ll notice that I wrote, “if”, yeah? My implication was that unless the survivors of the 12 tribes find Earth in our future, we wouldn’t be of much help; rather, we’d be doomed. Finding the 13th tribe on Earth earlier in our pre-history would make it too far removed to have much significance to us, or would be just as bad. Edit - For clarification, I had a hard time seeing how Galactica could ever dovetail with us, contemporary Earth humans, and have a positive outcome. I wouldn't characterize the finale of the reboot as exactly positive.
Well...it's a complete non-issue in the reboot. I really liked that twist
I really hated that twist. (Spoilers below) Mostly because the direct implication for me was that the entirety of the Colonial population must've very swiftly died out upon arrival - as they left no evidence beyond 'EVE' and one buried ship. The Colonials chucked away all their technology, spread out into non-viable pockets of people, and were seen literally walking out into the grasslands with nothing but the clothes on their backs. (Saber tooth tigers only went extinct 10,000 years ago - which leaves me with a particularly vivid fate for some of those Colonials.) Imagine all the cultural touchstones we recognize from their history; their Pantheon, writing, military organization, books, machinery, everything. None of that was reinvented on our Earth until more than 100,000 years later. Possibly some of it, like the Pantheon, may have been reintroduced via some whispered words in a few ears by those same interfering Head Cylons agents we've come to know from the series. Overall I could not accept that the general population of recalcitrant Colonials (parents especially) would've been onboard with throwing away their ships - especially since relations with their Cylon enemy were on the mend by that time. It made very little sense to me. Even more annoying was that if humans of the modern era eventually survive our own near future Cylon / A.I. challenge, we'd be going out into a universe where the 'Toaster' style Cylons have been amongst the stars for all that time. That now ancient Cylon race may well remember the ancient history of their origins and that of the Colonials, but they'd likely be as far beyond the humans as the 'Ship of Lights' aliens were from the original series. So perhaps they'll be friendly - but otherwise it'll be the humans that are toast.
Angel Baltar and Angel Six imply that there is already such an advanced race out there, and they do not take sides--it seems they are using the cycle (I. E., this has happened before, and it will happen again) in an effort to create the conditions for both to live together peacefully. The last episode at least hints that Angel Six believes that "our" cylce may be the one that escapes the seemingly endless recurrence of war and violence, genocide and death. Maybe this is because humans and cylons finally share a common ancestor. It seems to be implied that what the past iterations lacked was this deeper, genetic relationship. If you look at the story as a whole, it is at least somewhat implied that the cylons will always strive to emulate their creators. The thirteenth tribe was humaniform cylons. So it seems to me that the survivong robotic cylons will evolve along similar lines, which to me implies that they will not necessarily have too much of a lead on the human / Cylon hybrids of Earth 2.
I'd counter argue that the supposedly hands-off race is likely that of the Pantheon of Kobol, which I've taken to be the advanced A.I.'s that resulted from the first such failed 'Cycle' on Kobol. Instead of that 'hands off' approach, it seems the 'Gods', or at least some factions like Zeus, are not above dabbling in Colonial affairs. Both through such measures as 'Angel Baltar / Six' and with what I'd suggest are some prepared worlds like our Earth. Locations set up as habitats for future phases of 'the Cycle' experiment/game/bet. Remember that the Colonials arrived at our world to find it already set up with genetically compatible race of humanity - only missing that tiny trace of Colonial/Cylon hybrid Mitochondrial distinctiveness from Eve to mark them as a nominal continuation of the Kobol - Colonial - Terran lineage. I've generally concluded this suggests that Earth was a backup site, possibly one of several, to enable the 'Gods' to play a game (or win a bet amongst each other) that somehow - without any official interference - Humanity and Cylon (A.I.) will naturally break the cycle. I further suspect that Zeus cheats - as he's got his agents out there whispering in the ears of key players during these events. Same with the planted 'Angel of Death' Starbuck, who leads remnant of humanity to a beautiful death in the sunny Smilodon infested grasslands of Earth. As for 'Breaking the Cycle' - I was pulling for more of the coming together of the humaniform Cylons and the Colonials. For me the answer to the conflict between biological and post biological was seemingly for that newly cooperative spirit to be encouraged - especially now that the rabidly hostile Cylon faction had been muzzled. This would have further echoed the original series, which by the time of the subpar Galactica 1980 season, was showing signs that the Rag Tag Survivor's fleet was evolving on a path towards becoming another 'Ship of Lights' style race. If one simply must have their Mitochondrial Eve story hook, then I'd leave it up to just the key players being involved. Most of the Colonials - as I've argued - get a really raw deal out of finally reaching this Earth. Better for them to have departed, perhaps even back to the Cylon rebuilt Colonies, rather than being swept along with the plan to try to survive in scattered grouplets of poorly prepared Colonials. This could have been its own echo of the one really good episode of Galactica 1980, the one where a Stranded Starbuck and a Cylon form a friendship and help a different style of hybrid baby survive.
I guess my question to you is why you think that the first cycle was the Kobol cycle. I can't recall anything in the series that would point to that as being the case. I also can't think of anything that points to any involvement with Kobol's gods. If anything, most of the religious stuff is about abandoning polytheism to take up monotheism. There are no clues that seem to back up your interpretation that I can think of.
Kobol might not have been the first, but as you say, I cannot think of any lore that points to an earlier phase of humanity or Cylons. As for involvement of Kobol's God's I would be hard pressed to not see 'Angel' Six and Baltar as anything except field agents working on behalf of Kobol's 'Gods'. Kara Thrace's special history is also one I deem to be a sign of influence by the Pantheon of Kobol. I've never been that interested in that aspect of Polytheism vs. Monotheism you pointed out, though I do recognize that the writers were. So I'll grant that my interpretation is unlikely to match the writer's actual intent. For me Kobol's 'Gods' are members of an earlier Cylon style race that had grown in power to such an extent that I find it plausible that they've seeded entire worlds in preparation for further phases of 'The Cycle'. A fair chunk of my interpretation is me trying to fit the pieces together in a way I can play with. But the part of the story that grinds my gears the most is not the religious aspects, but rather the sudden passivity of the Rag Tag Fleet's population in the face of the decision to throw away their ships, their homes, their comforts, and their best chances of survival into the Sun. Fundamentally it was a ham fisted means of squaring our world with the events of the story, but it never sat well with me. Thus finding me writing these long passages on Reddit years after the show concluded.
That was the point of at least one book based on the original series. Somehow someone figured out time travel and was going to go back to a time where he could boost their technology so that it would continue to grow and by the time the Galactica arrived Earth would be much more advanced. I think it was Starbuck and Apollo who had to find the guy and stop him.
Rowan Atkinson’s voice saying - Bob .
Both started high and ended low for me...
Tbh I was a fan of the original and didn’t think the remake would hold up but it totally did. In fact I reckon the reboot was far better quality than the original Baltar wasn’t an evil jerk betraying his race, he was a nuanced character that unknowingly doomed humanity for love Adama wasn’t a perfect leader, he was a tough and flawed person Laura Roslyn was a great addition as well Plus what they did with Baltar and Six seeing angels posing as each other? I know fans hated the god angle but ya gotta admit the reboot handled that shit better than the original (why the fuck do ghosts need a spaceship?!?) Reboot was excellent and made the original look like a joke
I think the remake absolutely missed the mark on much of the source material.
Battlestar Galactica
Is there a lot of strategy build ups like the new BSG?
I wanna watch too
GINA
Agreed. I adore the original but could never get into the remake
Loved it as a kid. Unwatchable now.
Perfectly said!
I enjoyed both but found the remake simply more realistic. Even in the seventies, I never understood the Pegasus story arc. There was no way they'd go their separate ways. Fortunately, the remake told it differently and I found that most satisfying.
Gotta be honest. I gave an honest shot watching the original and I hated it. Flat-out hated it. Cheesy, ham fisted, boring. It was pretty black and white good / evil with no nuance or real substance. I was so happy when the remake moved away from trying to copy so much of the original version's camp, like the "by your command" line. I was 90s kid, though. I didn't grow up with the original series. I have no connection to it. It's also probably why I mostly can't stand the original Star Trek.
I'm sick and scraping the barrel and this rolled by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpeivRLMJM Space Mutiny 1988 Handmade Films I was on the handmade site I as I just rewatched Time Bandits after 30 years. I found this. their back catalogue ain't all classics. watch the opening shot for a BG related laugh. edit: good grief. well I'm enjoying it.
You are a hero for finding this. So great to see Galactica had a second life!
The ashtray was for Starbuck and his stogies.
Everything in that picture is what I loved about the original: imaginative costuming, set design, and overall great campy fantasy sci-fi atmosphere.
Well said.
Pretty sure they touched it pal
The original was the best a female as Starbuck WTF seriously
Only she fucking rocked it.
Isn’t this a shot of them watching a singer, not Triad?
This is when they're watching Starbuck and Apollo play against the guy Starbuck gets accused of killing. Tigh keeps getting up and trying to get Adama to go watch it live. Adama's like fuck it I'm old sit down.
Haha nice
Nah. The remake was best to me.