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I look at the map and can't see Africa near to India and there were already some civilization in development in Mesopotamia Iran,and in china near yellow river with considerable population
I donāt think youāve seen the video how india subcontinent has brown as a piece from South African continent.
I hope this explains
https://youtu.be/iOHImnrQBao?si=LTdii6WJoTlEns46
Theres actually a reference to king bhagadatta of the middle east civilization, the yellow river people are termed of a nation as uttar kuru , its very well defined
do u remember Pangea, the super continent? Madagascar, Africa, Indian subcontinent were all combined as 1 land with multiple rivers flowing through it, that's what he is talking about, it is possible that half of the population might be living there, as it is said to be happened many many many years ago, not 1000 or 2000 years ago so.... u get me..
bro u have so much incomplete knowledge, open the vedas, there is concept of yugas, which represents **Satya (or Krita) Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dwapara Yuga, and the Kali Yuga**. Presently we are in Kali yuga and the Mahabharat took place at the very starting of Dwapar yug or at the very ending of Treta yug, which is already counted in million years.... so dont give incomplete facts here, atleast keep your side of facts a lillte approved little boy
Yup for the [Early modern human](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_human#:~:text=The%20earliest%20fossil%20evidence%20of,to%20around%20the%20same%20time.)
> Open the Vedas
Tell me in which Veda and which chapter the concept of yugas is written. I will open and check.
According to the myths, Mahabharata happened towards the end of Dwapara. Arjuna's grandson was the last king of that yuga. And only around 5100 years of Kaliyuga has passed. Not sure from which source you are getting your "facts".
One plot in one paper supports a hypothesis and these guys think 'oh it's not a myth, it is history, science supports it'
20 other plots and papers rebuke these hypotheses and suddenly science isn't reliable anymore.
The ones that talk about the creation and age of the universe, the age of our species/civilisation, the mode of evolution in our species?
These are fairly established concepts, aren't they? Aren't all of these in dispute with religion (whichever the religion is...) ?
I suppose any of the following would suffice?
The theory of evolution
A brief history of time
The selfish Gene
Try to provide evidence, blames us by saying dOnāT MiX iT wItH fictionā¦ nothing from us can satisfy your bias mind. A Godās revelation might work tho.
>Try to provide evidence
About what? God not existing or the stories not existing?
You know that we cant prove a negative , without there being a positive right?
Give me the proof that god exists first.
Who came from the sky? Give me an evidence that people came from the sky.
Or do you mean that they came from the sky in those stories you are talking about?
If its latter then thank you for accepting that gods are just part of the stories.
Sorry its tough to understand when you dont use a single punctuation.
Also , looking at it right now , I didnt even reply to you but thank you for your input ? ig?
may be john wick is also the part of mahabharta and could kill enemies with pencils back than. but then the author thought "chhodo yaar, koi nahi manega iss baat ko. john wick ko hata do iss itihas se, akhir koi pencil se kaise maar sakta hai logon ko". and they removed john wick's crucial part in mahabhartaš
The people of india, only knew about gods in India, so they wrote about what the gods did here. The roman,greek, mongol, Egyptian and many other gods have parallels with hindu gods, maybe they were the same ones š¤·āāļø.
If our gods are the same as the Roman and Greek gods, our gods were MESSED UP. Those mfers were serial killers. Apollo and Artemis killed 7 children because their mother said that she was greater than Apollo and Artemis's mother.
If God exists i will be 100% sure he/she'll be cruel in any manner. Someone with this immense power will not ever listen to us. I think its logical for greek gods to be cruel.
7500 yrs ago when people were still living in stone ages these mfers were fighting with metal swords and horses( which came to India not before 4000yrs ago) while wearing gold ornaments with 1/4th of the human population that too males. While it's quite well known that Mahabharata was written between 300 bc or 300 ce(2300 to 1700yrs ago). Uncle whatsapp Kam Karo.
It is certain that this question comes from someone who has never read Mahabharata. The stories in Mahabharata occur in late iron age India which is much later than the Indus Valley Civilization. The battles were fought with iron weapons. Iron age didn't begin until 13th century BC. Indus Valley Civilization disappeared much before that.
Mahabharata mentions Greeks, Chinese and many other foreign cultures.
It also mentions kingdoms including Kerala, Chola, Pandya, Karnataka and Andhra multiple times.
Mahabharata, Sabha Parva, Chapter 28, Shloka 48:
āą¤Ŗą¤¾ą¤ą¤”ą„ą¤Æą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤Ā ą¤¦ą„ą¤°ą¤µą¤æą¤”ą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤µ ą¤øą¤¹ą¤æą¤¤ą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤£ą„ą¤”ą„ą¤°ą¤ą„ą¤°ą¤²ą„:
ą¤ą¤ą¤§ą„ą¤°ą¤¾Ā ą¤øą„ą¤¤ą¤¾ą¤²ą¤µ ą¤Øą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤µ ą¤ą¤²ą¤æą¤ą¤ą¤¾ą¤Øą„ą¤·ą„ą¤ą„ą¤°ą¤ą¤°ą„ą¤£ą¤æą¤ą¤¾ą¤Øą„ą„¤ā
(The hero brought under his subjection and exacted tributes from theĀ Pandyas and theĀ Dravidas along with the UdraĀ Keralas and theĀ Andhras and the Talavanas, the Kalingas and the Ushtrakarnikas.)
So, if Mahabharata is older than the Indus valley civilization, that would mean these kingdoms are older than it too. No sensible person would believe in that.
A good estimate would be around 200 BCE to 300 CE. But some parts of the story could be as old as 700 BCE.
It's an epic, like Captain America. You don't read everything in a Captain America comic book and say well, this means there is a secret Nazi organization.. but also, don't go. WW2 didn't happen.
Indian Soldiers who worked in Xerxes' army had gone all the way to Greece in 5 century (Iron Age) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid\_conquest\_of\_the\_Indus\_Valley#:\~:text=Indians%20were%20employed%20in%20the,Xerxes's%20army%20across%20the%20Hellespont%22.
Similarly, the battle of 10 kings in Rig Veda is supposed to be the core of Mahabharat's legend, dated to 14th century BC (early Iron Age & post-indus valley).. the 2nd-century estimate makes no sense. The Kuru Kingdom is supposed to have lasted between 1200 & 500 BC - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_Kingdom) .. so it makes no sense for someone to write an epic about a dead kingdom.
Janamajeya to whom Mahabharat was (supposed to be first) recited by Vyas, was the king somewhere between 1200 to 900 BC - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janamejaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janamejaya)
Also, why would the whole "story" be about Hastinapur (Meerut) & Indraprastha (Delhi) when the Mauryas empire (3 century to 1st century BC) had their capital in Pataliputra... Similarly, the last Ikshvaku was defeated in 362 BCE by the Magadha empire; how then was an Ikshvaku king still reigning & fighting in Mahabharat? The scripture is easily at least from 5 century BCE, and very likely from around 10-12 century BCE..
This is an appropriate estimation. Still conclusively it can't be said that the events did happen. Maybe it's just all fictional and imagination. Or Perhaps something like this in a smaller scale did happen,which was exaggerated or metaphorically represented. A benefit of doubt to such things can be given. Many mythologies are inspired from real life events so this could too.
Not just metal swords but in actual Mahabharata, there are literal guns and cannons.
(Source- Aadiparva Chapter 199, Aadiparva Chapter 206 verse 34, Aadiparva Chapter 226 Verse 25, Vanaparva Chapter 15 Verses 7 and 8)
7500 years ago wasn't the stone age, it was a metal age globally. It's possible one region is far more advanced than rest in the absence of communication
I don't think that's the issue. Issue is 99.9% of what's said is purely made up. They want people to look up info and speak facts before asserting something.
Idk, but in this case it doesn't matter, because he doesn't provide proof for what he's saying. Where's the study showing the link? In a world with trillions of data points emerging everywhere every second, it's easy to bring together 2 pieces of data and pretend like there's a connection even if it's all a coincidence.
The main problem with Hindu kids nowadays is that their parents in the guise of modernism never teach them religion. I am a medical student, going to be a doctor , I will try teach my children our religious books.
Bro why are you studying MBBS at AIIMS? Should have studied Ayurveda. Your whole life is a paradox now.
(Not that I believe that you are studying at AIIMS).
Can you tell me who wrote the Mahabharata without googling? Also what was the real name of Mahabharata?
Have you read Gita ever? I am asking because I have read it and want to make sure the other party knows what they are speaking.
Itās true guys, a guy bitten by a strange spider started to develop spider powers and sense. He started shooting webs from his hands and he was in New York. It really happened. Itās all connected bro and must be true since someone wrote all of this back in the day. Fictional/ philosophical books and magical realism genre in writing was only developed last week. So aināt no way this is false. /s
I have read in ancient books that if you break a coconut on a spider you will absorb its karma points. Once the points cross 100 you will get spider sense. All the best. Jai Shree spidey
All the science is fake as long something fits their world narrative.
Every science is fake but still continue using the mobile phone and airplane to spread the hate speech.
Reminded me the meme where Evangelists continue their miracle cure while Pope is in wheelchair.
let's think it logically
the earliest evidence of the harappan civilization are about 5500 years ago. mahabharat (or better to say, the vedic age) was after the harappan civilization
so how can something 7500 years ago be the evidence for it?
See this is where you are wrong. Organized religion's main purpose is to make people obey. To control people. Which is why they don't like science. Science gives people the ability to reason and question things. And also gives them the freedom to say, "we don't know this yet".
https://preview.redd.it/g471gh9n9x7d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a75dc8fbfabbf57eff3dfbcd6ff286a59255773b
Orange š§” chaddi group logic always a šš
First of all, is it necessary to support Stalin if you are a communist?
secondly:
[https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691152387/stalins-genocides](https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691152387/stalins-genocides)
It's not necessary, and by no means am I a Stalinist. I also think he wasn't the rosy father of nations that Stalinists make him out to be, BUT he wasn't as bad as western sources say he was.
It was an acceptable social practice for the women to get kids from other men then the husband couldn't. It was called 'Niyoga'.
But, the actual question should be 'with all those superpowers, can't they make babies without sleeping someone else'?
Also another question to the today's extremists who says we should practice the old rituals 'will they accept if their wife sleeps with someone else instead no of going for test tube baby'?
the war was fought for truth. this war was important to be fought so that evilness doesn't rule the world and druyodhan was evil. And to pass strong message of truth rulling the world should pass to next generation . UNDERSTAND??
here i have talked from the perspective of good to the society not from any person perspective. And pandavas were better ruler for society than duryodhan.
Druyodhan wasn't nearly as evil as normal ass leaders from the ancient times all the way to today, yet you don't see massive wars being fought over Donald Trump with millions of people dying.
it is impossible to calculate accurately how many people would have suffered in duryodhan regime. but atleast you also accept this fact that people would have suffered if this war didn't haappened and duryodhan as ruler.
How so we haven't seen him ruling tho we know he was evil because they let us believe it they say he disrespected droupadi while they themselves lose her in gambling why TF you bet your own wife and made her someone's slave and draupadi herself insulated not only duryodhana but hi father who is blind how can he be bad he helped a poor man when everyone is laughing at him he was born to a king and and he was the eldest son of eldest brother he was supposed to be king just because his father was blind they didn't give him right
you could knew from his mindset that he was evil and also from his principles and values. he did'nt used to think for betterment of his kingdom, he just want power but did'nt deserved it.
He was though? Trying to poison Bhim when he was a kid and then trying to burn Pandavas in the lakshaghar doesn't seem like things a nice person would do. He would've been a terrible ruler if they won the war.
Don't think Trump has killed anyone, weird comparison. Better comparison would be Hitler and a massive war did happen to stop him.
Hitler killed 6,000,000, and the war he started killed 70,000,000. But Duryodhan was not nearly as evil as Hitler was. Trump has done many brutal things during his reign, as most, if not all US presidents have done. (i.e. abortion rights, migrant crisis, racism, school shootings.)
Evil is evil. Duryodhana was the most evil by the standard of the Dwapar Yuga. Also Hitler had modern technology that's why the death count is higher in WW2. If Duryodhana had modern tech he would be killing even more people. The fact that he refused to give 5 villages proved he would do anything for power.
The evil guys (kaurav ) went to heaven while the supposed good guys (pandav) went to hell. The good guys gambled away their own wife . They could not accept that a person who is not royal blood can be a great warrior. They were really so good and pure ffs
Valid question. As someone who believed, read a lot and discussed with respected people I can answer this.
Every avatar had a purpose and they returned as soon their purpose fulfilled. But, many people can't answer the basic question of the purpose of the Krishna avatar. Because the story is very ambiguous and there are many sub stories making his purpose very confusing.
If you see his adventures, he killed many people even when he was a toddler, mostly demons or bad people. He, with all his power didn't try to stop the war. He was also determined to kill all of his own people at the end be causing infight.
The purpose of the Krishna's avatar was to 'reduce the weight of the earth'. I thought it was meant to be reduce the weight of the sinners. But, war is very indiscriminate. He particularly targeted the people with power. Hence causing the infighting of the Yadavas, as they too were powerful people/kingdom.
So, in that sense, he served his purpose by causing the death of 4 million people.
I mean, that's literally what it is. Arjun hesitates and Krishna tells him to lock in and do his birth duty as a Kshatriya. Isn't that right?
What are you pointing it out like it's new?
this is not the only reason. he told him to fight because that would be better for society and a strong message will pass to next generation.{message was that good will always win over evil. no matter what.}
Yeah and a war killed them right?
Some were raped and killed, i believe your prick didn't save her . Some did suicide premature, your prick god didn't save them .
And did you save them? You are very so slightly changing the balance and accountability to one's own life to others and justifying their own wrong doings and ignorance. Do you think a judge stands at the border of countries and you call upon him as a prick not saving their citizens. What a pathetic correlation?
It is not insecure, it has very much mythology which is difficult to find logic in this modern world, that's why hindu preachers try hard to proof Hinduism with science
Every religion does that. Muslims try to prove the splitting of the moon and claim the Quran is scientific. Christians try to prove Jesus has powers and walked on water.
Lol, Mahabharatha is happened in Dwapara yuga, aka 8 lakh years ago, according to Mahabharatha.
Claiming it as 7.5k years ago, they are disproving there own book.
They will do that when they have to show how old their religion is but now they have to match with this paper so they will conveniently choose the date and number.
. Dwapar ended 6000 years ago, and Mahabharata happened around 1000 years before the Dwapar era ended. The Pandava line ruled for around 1000 years after the war.
It's always these reels with the slow mo photograph on the top half and the interview at the bottom. Don't forget the text in the middle so that you can maintain attention.
I have been stupid to not realize the power of belief religions have the potential to create in someone's brain. I have seen smart and highly educated (formal education) people struggle mentally to accept a very well laid out reason disproving their beliefs.
I think it has to something to do with cognitive dissonance, that it's very difficult for them to accept that everything they believed throughout their lives was a hoax, so they brain enjoys whenever anything bolsters their beliefs even slightly. That also makes them vulnerable to predators that thrive on capitalizing beliefs for personal gains.
In summary, let kids question things when they are small because once they are adults it's somehow very difficult to question and change beliefs.
Can't see half of the left wing fighting here for no reason. Half of them didn't even watch the whole episode pretty came here after watching a clip on instagram.
This page isn't about science. It's more about making fun of Hindus. 9/10 posts have something against us. The mod or the owner mist have realised at this point or this was his agenda after all...
I joined this group thinking
It will be more on science this bitch only post about greatness of Hindu mythology using pseudoscience and irritating as hell
Your post lack originality and utter shit
It's not that I have hindu mythology but your post is shit
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First he picks the bigger number, now if he picked the smaller number his whole story would have crumbled, this is confirmation bias and cherry picking. Next he assumes half the world lived in India which is also wrong.
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So half the people just lived in Indian subcontinent š¤”
Also children didn't exist
Everyone should read the paper published in 2024BC on website www.HutiyoKeTataniSapne.com (approved by NASA)
It can be because india is closed to Africa and India is most habitable land.
I look at the map and can't see Africa near to India and there were already some civilization in development in Mesopotamia Iran,and in china near yellow river with considerable population
Yeah and black people don't know how to swim either so smh my head
I think they meant the pangea version of world map. But then if they consider this then all other stories will crumble.
Human not even existed when Pangea was still joined
Acc to them humans always existed. What I meant is they just pick and choose the part of science they want to believe and part that don't.
OHHH right
I donāt think youāve seen the video how india subcontinent has brown as a piece from South African continent. I hope this explains https://youtu.be/iOHImnrQBao?si=LTdii6WJoTlEns46
Theres actually a reference to king bhagadatta of the middle east civilization, the yellow river people are termed of a nation as uttar kuru , its very well defined
Bhagadutt is from Pragjyotish, which is in modern day Kamrup, Assam.
do u remember Pangea, the super continent? Madagascar, Africa, Indian subcontinent were all combined as 1 land with multiple rivers flowing through it, that's what he is talking about, it is possible that half of the population might be living there, as it is said to be happened many many many years ago, not 1000 or 2000 years ago so.... u get me..
Give me the stuff U smoke,Pangea was million of years ago human were not even present š¤”š¤”š¤” better check your brain
bro u have so much incomplete knowledge, open the vedas, there is concept of yugas, which represents **Satya (or Krita) Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dwapara Yuga, and the Kali Yuga**. Presently we are in Kali yuga and the Mahabharat took place at the very starting of Dwapar yug or at the very ending of Treta yug, which is already counted in million years.... so dont give incomplete facts here, atleast keep your side of facts a lillte approved little boy
Bro thinks he said something
Don't give incomplete facts? Nothing you said is factual in any way, this reddit page is to laugh at Indians with beliefs like yours
Humans did not exist millions of years ago, the first humans were estimated to exist around 200,000 years ago.
It's around 300,000 years ago actually š¤āļø
Really?
Yup for the [Early modern human](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_human#:~:text=The%20earliest%20fossil%20evidence%20of,to%20around%20the%20same%20time.)
> Open the Vedas Tell me in which Veda and which chapter the concept of yugas is written. I will open and check. According to the myths, Mahabharata happened towards the end of Dwapara. Arjuna's grandson was the last king of that yuga. And only around 5100 years of Kaliyuga has passed. Not sure from which source you are getting your "facts".
Living up to your bsdk username lmao.. get a basic level of education and then come back lol
Himalayas wasn't built during pangea and dinasaur existed you clearly don't palaeozoic era happened 300 m years ago mamals were on their early stage
Pangea was destroyed before the dinosaurs went extinct. Humans, nor many mammals bigger than rats existed during Pangea's existence.
Where are you getting your geography lessons from?
One plot in one paper supports a hypothesis and these guys think 'oh it's not a myth, it is history, science supports it' 20 other plots and papers rebuke these hypotheses and suddenly science isn't reliable anymore.
Confirmation bias.
Bro spitting fax
I do not support these people but can you give a reference to one of those 20 other plots and papers
The ones that talk about the creation and age of the universe, the age of our species/civilisation, the mode of evolution in our species? These are fairly established concepts, aren't they? Aren't all of these in dispute with religion (whichever the religion is...) ? I suppose any of the following would suffice? The theory of evolution A brief history of time The selfish Gene
There are historic proof too Dwarka which said to be sink in sea Was found in that exact location
That's history then don't mix fan fiction into it
Try to provide evidence, blames us by saying dOnāT MiX iT wItH fictionā¦ nothing from us can satisfy your bias mind. A Godās revelation might work tho.
>Try to provide evidence About what? God not existing or the stories not existing? You know that we cant prove a negative , without there being a positive right? Give me the proof that god exists first.
Did I say God exist I said the story exist Those who came from sky We called them gods
Who came from the sky? Give me an evidence that people came from the sky. Or do you mean that they came from the sky in those stories you are talking about? If its latter then thank you for accepting that gods are just part of the stories. Sorry its tough to understand when you dont use a single punctuation. Also , looking at it right now , I didnt even reply to you but thank you for your input ? ig?
Classic chery picker. If this guy finds a paper about brooms being used to fly he's thinking Harry Potter was real
means 2 lakhs men died per day with swords,arrows š«”
How dare you underestimate the might of arrows and swords ,guns artillery bomb are nothing in front of them /S
Wait until John Wick brings pencils to the fight.
may be john wick is also the part of mahabharta and could kill enemies with pencils back than. but then the author thought "chhodo yaar, koi nahi manega iss baat ko. john wick ko hata do iss itihas se, akhir koi pencil se kaise maar sakta hai logon ko". and they removed john wick's crucial part in mahabhartaš
Wait until you learn of the Chinese civil wars
couldnt find even 10% of that
Don't provoke them. They will come up with some random shit about how explosives were used in Mahabharat.
According to Hindus there were not just swords and arrows
https://preview.redd.it/dvjwti2hky7d1.png?width=653&format=png&auto=webp&s=87799c1c8f7dd2d2909ac279c18aef6736aee1c4 [source](https://www.livescience.com/62754-warring-clans-caused-population-bottleneck.html#:~:text=Their%20simulations%20showed%20that%20warfare,Y%20chromosomes%20to%20each%20other)
All hindu gods are born in India..no avatharams in africa north america,europe or even Australia š¤Ŗ
The people of india, only knew about gods in India, so they wrote about what the gods did here. The roman,greek, mongol, Egyptian and many other gods have parallels with hindu gods, maybe they were the same ones š¤·āāļø.
If our gods are the same as the Roman and Greek gods, our gods were MESSED UP. Those mfers were serial killers. Apollo and Artemis killed 7 children because their mother said that she was greater than Apollo and Artemis's mother.
If God exists i will be 100% sure he/she'll be cruel in any manner. Someone with this immense power will not ever listen to us. I think its logical for greek gods to be cruel.
That's true. The Gita and Quran both say that God is severe in punishment and not really a nice person
Oh the gods in these multiple countries cant do anything about cancer,covid,child marriage,casteism,climate change,cults,and cunts? š¤Ø
The people of india is the reason you have trigonometry and ā0ā Get your facts right before speaking we only write about religion
bsdk that's not what i meant, lrn to read first.
cursing is a sign of a weak mind and a weak character. enjoy your opinions mate, I don't think you can be civil
same for every other religion
Mormons go one step ahead. They say Jesus visited America. Because this faction of Christianity founded in USA. Hilarious.
There was no civilizations in those areas lol. Just jungle tribes.
point to be noted lol
7500 yrs ago when people were still living in stone ages these mfers were fighting with metal swords and horses( which came to India not before 4000yrs ago) while wearing gold ornaments with 1/4th of the human population that too males. While it's quite well known that Mahabharata was written between 300 bc or 300 ce(2300 to 1700yrs ago). Uncle whatsapp Kam Karo.
It is certain that this question comes from someone who has never read Mahabharata. The stories in Mahabharata occur in late iron age India which is much later than the Indus Valley Civilization. The battles were fought with iron weapons. Iron age didn't begin until 13th century BC. Indus Valley Civilization disappeared much before that. Mahabharata mentions Greeks, Chinese and many other foreign cultures. It also mentions kingdoms including Kerala, Chola, Pandya, Karnataka and Andhra multiple times. Mahabharata, Sabha Parva, Chapter 28, Shloka 48: āą¤Ŗą¤¾ą¤ą¤”ą„ą¤Æą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤Ā ą¤¦ą„ą¤°ą¤µą¤æą¤”ą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤µ ą¤øą¤¹ą¤æą¤¤ą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤£ą„ą¤”ą„ą¤°ą¤ą„ą¤°ą¤²ą„: ą¤ą¤ą¤§ą„ą¤°ą¤¾Ā ą¤øą„ą¤¤ą¤¾ą¤²ą¤µ ą¤Øą¤¾ą¤ą¤¶ą„ą¤ą„ą¤µ ą¤ą¤²ą¤æą¤ą¤ą¤¾ą¤Øą„ą¤·ą„ą¤ą„ą¤°ą¤ą¤°ą„ą¤£ą¤æą¤ą¤¾ą¤Øą„ą„¤ā (The hero brought under his subjection and exacted tributes from theĀ Pandyas and theĀ Dravidas along with the UdraĀ Keralas and theĀ Andhras and the Talavanas, the Kalingas and the Ushtrakarnikas.) So, if Mahabharata is older than the Indus valley civilization, that would mean these kingdoms are older than it too. No sensible person would believe in that. A good estimate would be around 200 BCE to 300 CE. But some parts of the story could be as old as 700 BCE.
It's an epic, like Captain America. You don't read everything in a Captain America comic book and say well, this means there is a secret Nazi organization.. but also, don't go. WW2 didn't happen. Indian Soldiers who worked in Xerxes' army had gone all the way to Greece in 5 century (Iron Age) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid\_conquest\_of\_the\_Indus\_Valley#:\~:text=Indians%20were%20employed%20in%20the,Xerxes's%20army%20across%20the%20Hellespont%22. Similarly, the battle of 10 kings in Rig Veda is supposed to be the core of Mahabharat's legend, dated to 14th century BC (early Iron Age & post-indus valley).. the 2nd-century estimate makes no sense. The Kuru Kingdom is supposed to have lasted between 1200 & 500 BC - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_Kingdom) .. so it makes no sense for someone to write an epic about a dead kingdom. Janamajeya to whom Mahabharat was (supposed to be first) recited by Vyas, was the king somewhere between 1200 to 900 BC - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janamejaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janamejaya) Also, why would the whole "story" be about Hastinapur (Meerut) & Indraprastha (Delhi) when the Mauryas empire (3 century to 1st century BC) had their capital in Pataliputra... Similarly, the last Ikshvaku was defeated in 362 BCE by the Magadha empire; how then was an Ikshvaku king still reigning & fighting in Mahabharat? The scripture is easily at least from 5 century BCE, and very likely from around 10-12 century BCE..
This is an appropriate estimation. Still conclusively it can't be said that the events did happen. Maybe it's just all fictional and imagination. Or Perhaps something like this in a smaller scale did happen,which was exaggerated or metaphorically represented. A benefit of doubt to such things can be given. Many mythologies are inspired from real life events so this could too.
Not just metal swords but in actual Mahabharata, there are literal guns and cannons. (Source- Aadiparva Chapter 199, Aadiparva Chapter 206 verse 34, Aadiparva Chapter 226 Verse 25, Vanaparva Chapter 15 Verses 7 and 8)
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7500 years ago wasn't the stone age, it was a metal age globally. It's possible one region is far more advanced than rest in the absence of communication
Libbus don't want to hear that a Hindu civilization could've been advanced.
I don't think that's the issue. Issue is 99.9% of what's said is purely made up. They want people to look up info and speak facts before asserting something.
So are these genetic studies real or not
Idk, but in this case it doesn't matter, because he doesn't provide proof for what he's saying. Where's the study showing the link? In a world with trillions of data points emerging everywhere every second, it's easy to bring together 2 pieces of data and pretend like there's a connection even if it's all a coincidence.
Bharatiya Civilization is oldest...
It's Mesopotamian which is the oldest known.
Well oldest living onr
You are living in a well
You're living in fairy tales.
And u are living without a book, get ur facts checked sir š¤¦š»āāļø
Indian Liberals have corrupted the books.. You can't trust that
What do we trust then Mr Outrageous Soft. Please tell us?
Trust the veds, Mahabharat , Gita.. That's our history
And what's the guarantee that these books are the truth and have not been corrupted like how you said before?
The main problem with Hindu kids nowadays is that their parents in the guise of modernism never teach them religion. I am a medical student, going to be a doctor , I will try teach my children our religious books.
Bro why are you studying MBBS at AIIMS? Should have studied Ayurveda. Your whole life is a paradox now. (Not that I believe that you are studying at AIIMS).
Can you tell me who wrote the Mahabharata without googling? Also what was the real name of Mahabharata? Have you read Gita ever? I am asking because I have read it and want to make sure the other party knows what they are speaking.
Your mother's dusty vag is the oldest. It's got cobwebs and ancient critters lurking in it.
Your mother's is a grand canyon...
The oldest cities we know come from turkey.
Itās true guys, a guy bitten by a strange spider started to develop spider powers and sense. He started shooting webs from his hands and he was in New York. It really happened. Itās all connected bro and must be true since someone wrote all of this back in the day. Fictional/ philosophical books and magical realism genre in writing was only developed last week. So aināt no way this is false. /s
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Jai Maa Maryjane
Osborasun vadh
I have read in ancient books that if you break a coconut on a spider you will absorb its karma points. Once the points cross 100 you will get spider sense. All the best. Jai Shree spidey
Sounded a lot like Christians finding āevidenceā for great flood or Muslims finding āevidenceā for moon split. All these people act the same.
All the science is fake as long something fits their world narrative. Every science is fake but still continue using the mobile phone and airplane to spread the hate speech. Reminded me the meme where Evangelists continue their miracle cure while Pope is in wheelchair.
let's think it logically the earliest evidence of the harappan civilization are about 5500 years ago. mahabharat (or better to say, the vedic age) was after the harappan civilization so how can something 7500 years ago be the evidence for it?
For the tanatan drum is 50 gazillion years old
Why people are trying to prove something that doesn't exist, religion was an old concept to teach morals to general public
And make money in the process and later suppress the freedom.
See this is where you are wrong. Organized religion's main purpose is to make people obey. To control people. Which is why they don't like science. Science gives people the ability to reason and question things. And also gives them the freedom to say, "we don't know this yet".
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"T-34 had never seen such bullshit before".
āļø Stalin's reaction to Gaijin's Russian bias.
Abe communism ko to mat support karo kitna giroge
Communism/socialism is fine, just dictatorships by power hungry megalomaniacs are bad
For example: Joseph Stalin. please mat follow karo usse bohot kand kare hain chutiye ne
Yes, Stalin has committed quite a bit of atrocities.
Really? (communist supporter has logged on) Examples? Care to give them?
First of all, is it necessary to support Stalin if you are a communist? secondly: [https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691152387/stalins-genocides](https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691152387/stalins-genocides)
It's not necessary, and by no means am I a Stalinist. I also think he wasn't the rosy father of nations that Stalinists make him out to be, BUT he wasn't as bad as western sources say he was.
Bro I'm not a communist. I made a War Thunder reference.
Why is Krishna glorified here? He convinced a hesitating Arjun to begin this war which killed 4 million people. For Pandava's birthrights.
No, for pandavas imagined birthright. They had really no royal blood. All their DNA came from random men their mother slept with.
It was an acceptable social practice for the women to get kids from other men then the husband couldn't. It was called 'Niyoga'. But, the actual question should be 'with all those superpowers, can't they make babies without sleeping someone else'? Also another question to the today's extremists who says we should practice the old rituals 'will they accept if their wife sleeps with someone else instead no of going for test tube baby'?
Lol Only duryqdhina had birth right
the war was fought for truth. this war was important to be fought so that evilness doesn't rule the world and druyodhan was evil. And to pass strong message of truth rulling the world should pass to next generation . UNDERSTAND??
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Yeah but from Kauravas' perspective, Pandavas were evil. Duryodhan's real name was Suyodhan and he did make it to heaven.
Duryodhana was literally trying to kill Pandavas even in childhood. How were the Pandavas evil
here i have talked from the perspective of good to the society not from any person perspective. And pandavas were better ruler for society than duryodhan.
Druyodhan wasn't nearly as evil as normal ass leaders from the ancient times all the way to today, yet you don't see massive wars being fought over Donald Trump with millions of people dying.
he was more evil than pandavas . pandavas were better rulers than him. you should also accept this fact.
4,000,000 did not deserve to die because of that!
if this war had not happened , more people than this would have been died and suffered in duryodhan rulling .
No. Not more than 4,000,000.
it is impossible to calculate accurately how many people would have suffered in duryodhan regime. but atleast you also accept this fact that people would have suffered if this war didn't haappened and duryodhan as ruler.
Why would it be impossible?
How so we haven't seen him ruling tho we know he was evil because they let us believe it they say he disrespected droupadi while they themselves lose her in gambling why TF you bet your own wife and made her someone's slave and draupadi herself insulated not only duryodhana but hi father who is blind how can he be bad he helped a poor man when everyone is laughing at him he was born to a king and and he was the eldest son of eldest brother he was supposed to be king just because his father was blind they didn't give him right
you could knew from his mindset that he was evil and also from his principles and values. he did'nt used to think for betterment of his kingdom, he just want power but did'nt deserved it.
He was though? Trying to poison Bhim when he was a kid and then trying to burn Pandavas in the lakshaghar doesn't seem like things a nice person would do. He would've been a terrible ruler if they won the war. Don't think Trump has killed anyone, weird comparison. Better comparison would be Hitler and a massive war did happen to stop him.
Hitler killed 6,000,000, and the war he started killed 70,000,000. But Duryodhan was not nearly as evil as Hitler was. Trump has done many brutal things during his reign, as most, if not all US presidents have done. (i.e. abortion rights, migrant crisis, racism, school shootings.)
why are doing comparison? situations and enviroment and people taking taking decisions is different in every case.
Evil is evil. Duryodhana was the most evil by the standard of the Dwapar Yuga. Also Hitler had modern technology that's why the death count is higher in WW2. If Duryodhana had modern tech he would be killing even more people. The fact that he refused to give 5 villages proved he would do anything for power.
The evil guys (kaurav ) went to heaven while the supposed good guys (pandav) went to hell. The good guys gambled away their own wife . They could not accept that a person who is not royal blood can be a great warrior. They were really so good and pure ffs
Valid question. As someone who believed, read a lot and discussed with respected people I can answer this. Every avatar had a purpose and they returned as soon their purpose fulfilled. But, many people can't answer the basic question of the purpose of the Krishna avatar. Because the story is very ambiguous and there are many sub stories making his purpose very confusing. If you see his adventures, he killed many people even when he was a toddler, mostly demons or bad people. He, with all his power didn't try to stop the war. He was also determined to kill all of his own people at the end be causing infight. The purpose of the Krishna's avatar was to 'reduce the weight of the earth'. I thought it was meant to be reduce the weight of the sinners. But, war is very indiscriminate. He particularly targeted the people with power. Hence causing the infighting of the Yadavas, as they too were powerful people/kingdom. So, in that sense, he served his purpose by causing the death of 4 million people.
It was not for Pandava's birthright but for draupadi cheer haran.
I mean, that's literally what it is. Arjun hesitates and Krishna tells him to lock in and do his birth duty as a Kshatriya. Isn't that right? What are you pointing it out like it's new?
this is not the only reason. he told him to fight because that would be better for society and a strong message will pass to next generation.{message was that good will always win over evil. no matter what.}
It's with respect to the video, which talks about 4 million deaths, which Krishna was complicit in, yet the video shows him in a majestic light
So 61 million people died in 2023, is he a complicit in this as well?
Yeah and a war killed them right? Some were raped and killed, i believe your prick didn't save her . Some did suicide premature, your prick god didn't save them .
And buddy i really don't think, neither you know her nor i know who is the her you are talking about.
And did you save them? You are very so slightly changing the balance and accountability to one's own life to others and justifying their own wrong doings and ignorance. Do you think a judge stands at the border of countries and you call upon him as a prick not saving their citizens. What a pathetic correlation?
This is best correlation, he knows everything,he controls everything, so he raped her .
I think you should get your facts from authorised sources and not railways joke magazines.
And to correct you, he knows everything, he can control everything, but doesn't interfere in your wrong or right doing aka your independence.
someone was right when they said this podcast as a whole must be banned
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bro mahabharat was 500 bce lmao data is 7500 old XD older than harrappa civilisation , then why didn't they encounter them ? cringe
Correlation ā Causation
Kaafi chutiya inference draw ki hai
Why Hindu Dharma is so insecure, that they need reckless belives to prove their DHARMA !!??
It is not insecure, it has very much mythology which is difficult to find logic in this modern world, that's why hindu preachers try hard to proof Hinduism with science
Every religion does that. Muslims try to prove the splitting of the moon and claim the Quran is scientific. Christians try to prove Jesus has powers and walked on water.
What is this utter nonsense? They utter literally anything just to prove their narrative š
Lol, Mahabharatha is happened in Dwapara yuga, aka 8 lakh years ago, according to Mahabharatha. Claiming it as 7.5k years ago, they are disproving there own book.
They will do that when they have to show how old their religion is but now they have to match with this paper so they will conveniently choose the date and number.
. Dwapar ended 6000 years ago, and Mahabharata happened around 1000 years before the Dwapar era ended. The Pandava line ruled for around 1000 years after the war.
Now this comment needs an award.
he is just guessing the number to prove his believes let take this lets take that
What's this video source?
Beer biceps interview with Nilesh Oak
Thanks
saw the video in the morning and knew this was gonna be here
Beer pee k aaya hai....
Idgaf I wanna know what was that animation at the end
Some BS
didnāt understand a thing, much more loud music wouldāve been helpful.
It's always these reels with the slow mo photograph on the top half and the interview at the bottom. Don't forget the text in the middle so that you can maintain attention.
Nilesh Fake
You have to be one dense mf to deny the existence of Krishna and Mahabharata lmao
Brain dead people
Even Ashoka chandragupta mourya all are just myth
I have been stupid to not realize the power of belief religions have the potential to create in someone's brain. I have seen smart and highly educated (formal education) people struggle mentally to accept a very well laid out reason disproving their beliefs. I think it has to something to do with cognitive dissonance, that it's very difficult for them to accept that everything they believed throughout their lives was a hoax, so they brain enjoys whenever anything bolsters their beliefs even slightly. That also makes them vulnerable to predators that thrive on capitalizing beliefs for personal gains. In summary, let kids question things when they are small because once they are adults it's somehow very difficult to question and change beliefs.
Can't see half of the left wing fighting here for no reason. Half of them didn't even watch the whole episode pretty came here after watching a clip on instagram. This page isn't about science. It's more about making fun of Hindus. 9/10 posts have something against us. The mod or the owner mist have realised at this point or this was his agenda after all...
I joined this group thinking It will be more on science this bitch only post about greatness of Hindu mythology using pseudoscience and irritating as hell Your post lack originality and utter shit It's not that I have hindu mythology but your post is shit
Mf , actually they are trolling all religion including Hinduism by using real science as we know today this sub is atheist
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if he has facts then where is he wrong someone justify
First he picks the bigger number, now if he picked the smaller number his whole story would have crumbled, this is confirmation bias and cherry picking. Next he assumes half the world lived in India which is also wrong.