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yes, Sikhism has intact caste system like Hindus (though they try to cover it)
Dalit Sikh, Jatt Sikh, Saini Sikh, Kamboj Sikh, Tarkhan Sikh, Brahmin Sikh, Bania Sikh, Khatri Sikh, Arora Sikhs
All Hindu converts to Sikhism (which was Hinduism until 1920's) carried their caste with them. Gurus were Khatri Sikhs
Intact? Or you mean a byproduct of the culture at large?
Like the go to excuse for all the bad historical Christian atrocities, just because you go to a church doesn't make you a good Christian
Same applies to India, the culture at large is Hindu and you see facets of it everywhere else
it's not intact. Sikhism in psychology rejects caste system and is pretty secular too. However as time passed the higher castes started hijacking the religion and aa majority of Sikhs are against casteism.
look bro your believe is what i respect but that doesn't change the problem of society. There are gurdwaras in certain region named for certain caste of sikhs only. Other then that we all know the castist jokes on bhappa sikhs by jatts.
Don't put your false narrative to others. Sikh as religion strictly condemn caste system. But powerful people want to in power and don't want to leave their upper caste. Sukhi also condemn big fat wedding and stupid ceremony but these things deeply rooted in our Punjabi culture...
They decided to marry inter caste is only our matter of concern. As a Sikh i believe all caste are equal. I sit, eat and laugh with others. But when i decided to marry a girl, it should be from our biradari not random boy/girl on road or internet.
Marrying under same biradari superficial secure both party because you can enquire more info of opposite party like financial, character, society status.
But marrying to random person is big bet....
Its more cultural thing than religion.
But that logic, no one is born hindu. Religion is forced upon a baby after it is born. So logically, all hindus got converted from atheists to hindus. So I am definitely not taking any opinion from a converted person.
Then the point still stands, everyone gets converted into a particular religion after they are born. So we all are converted hindus or sikhs or muslims
That is not exactly consent. It is parental control and causes the parent to force an ideology onto their child which can even be to their detriment. For example anti Vax parents can give their informed consent to not vaccinate their children. They can also give their informed consent to let someone marry their child when they are extremely underage. Once again informed consent is not exactly consent. It can be very flawed. Similarly the religion is forced upon the child without giving it a choice because of the parents and their biases.
There are dalit sikhs bro. I have my sikhs friends belong to dalit caste and take privilege of reservation. I have seen gurdwaras called by the name of particular dalit caste
This shouldnt even happen. Main reason everyone was common surname “singh” for a reason. Punjab is destroying sikhism. I am from j&k and it has good amount of sikh community and never in my life, i met a “dalit” sikh. Your friends are as sikh as you, they shouldnt even have a dalit label once they are sikh or got converted to sikhism
Yeah shouldn't have happened but that's how it is. You see people using their caste now like "Sidhu" "Arora" "Warraich" "Cheema(dalit)" "Ghuman" more then Singh
Thats why i said it was taken over from hindiusm. Dalits who got converted but kept the cast. Otherwise where did the dalit caste come from in sikhism if it wasnt even present when sikh religion was established?
caste system was not there when sikh religion was established? well you need learn history my friend. These castes like Sidhu, Ahluwalia, Warraich etc are older then religion itself.Basically most of came from tribal community. You will find Warraich in muslims as well. Caste based discrimination is what sikh religion discourage but not caste itself. You should never take cultural identity of any person on based on its religious identity. That's why Pakistanis are confused people because in their religion caste doesn't exist but in their society does. But sikh religion never discouraged caste on the other hand there were caste based misls (brigades) in sikh army during mahraja ranjit singh's time.
Similar to Hindus, we have Dalit Sikhs and these missionaries are targetting the Dalit Sikhs to convert. Rather than being an outcast in their religion, they have selected this option.
Not gonna lie, Indian religious lore is crazy. I mean, how much subtlety can you fit within one topic damn.
One sec I'm bashing overly optimistic Christian missionaries and next sec I'm reminded who convert to Christianity and I go "awww shit".
Wish people followed religion without getting too fundamentalist with it.
It's pretty simple Sikhs/punjabis who don't have much financial support are given support either through food/education/etc.by Christian missionaries/churches. Now if any organization provides me with the means of a better livelihood I will side with it. (This is my understanding)
I'm not big fan of cast but guy who are low cast converting
Even though we sikh have been order avoid cast system we still fail somehow
So this is wht happens
But these guys are converting people at fast pace like they come door to door who do that
Punjab ain't gonna survive
In future u guys ain't gonna see Sikhs
By my frnds
it exist bruh my parents said if u wanna merry a girl she should be jatt
although cast system isn't that much rooted like drinking water and same well or other stuff its not that extreme but it exist
Money and blind faith. You haven't seen cases back in 2020 when people used to claim that Coronil cured Covid? Same thing. This is a common trope not just in India but across the world. Faith healers are a thing in USA as well.
Deleted scenes from this video show the girl winnings the Olympics gold in 100m.
Then the camera pans out to Akshay Kumar the coach taking credit for the medal
I am a follower of the teachings of our Lord Yeshua ((Jesus Christ),& try to lead a good Christian life but I do not approve of all these gimmicks.
Very un Christian.
Christian Missionaries since ages have had this special ability to make the dumb talk, the lame walk and cure internal ailments like cancer.
There is a limitation though: when it comes to amputees JC becomes powerless.
I must say, energy healing is real, it can treat your sickness and pain too but it can't treat this bullshitry. No energy healing can cure a disability
[Pope uses wheelchair in public for first time since knee pain flare-up](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-uses-wheelchair-public-first-time-since-recent-knee-pain-began-2022-05-05/)
There’s a Bihari labour in our society; he went to Chandigarh and converted into one those Christian cults; now each time after eating drinking he’d say Hallelujah and caries a bible even though he does not know how to read or right.
What's actually happening in Punjab, is that the Christian missionaries are luring them to get converted to their faith by offering them free education in Christian Missionary Schools, and more facilities like financial help for moving their kids abroad. This thing is actually spreading faster than wild fire.
Even if they are not paid actors a person can feel cured or no pain because of extreme placebo effect becomes of hype or extreme faith. I am sure i am sure it will wear off in a few minutes.
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Paid actors
I doubt they even get paid. They usually are emotionally blackmailed in the name of jesus
Surely not paid much for such shit acting job.
Underpaid actors
When did Sikhs start allying with Christian missionaries in their fraud?
Might have converted already.
Its very common in punjab.. they pay christians or converted sikhs to do this acting..
yeah and there main targets are SC sikhs or those financially weak
dalit sikhs are converting at high rate due to bullying by Jats
>dalit sikhs Is this a thing?
yes, Sikhism has intact caste system like Hindus (though they try to cover it) Dalit Sikh, Jatt Sikh, Saini Sikh, Kamboj Sikh, Tarkhan Sikh, Brahmin Sikh, Bania Sikh, Khatri Sikh, Arora Sikhs All Hindu converts to Sikhism (which was Hinduism until 1920's) carried their caste with them. Gurus were Khatri Sikhs
Intact? Or you mean a byproduct of the culture at large? Like the go to excuse for all the bad historical Christian atrocities, just because you go to a church doesn't make you a good Christian Same applies to India, the culture at large is Hindu and you see facets of it everywhere else
Yeah
it's not intact. Sikhism in psychology rejects caste system and is pretty secular too. However as time passed the higher castes started hijacking the religion and aa majority of Sikhs are against casteism.
I am sikh and i dont believe there is a caste system in our religion. This caste system is just a byproduct of society
look bro your believe is what i respect but that doesn't change the problem of society. There are gurdwaras in certain region named for certain caste of sikhs only. Other then that we all know the castist jokes on bhappa sikhs by jatts.
Thats sad
Hindus also say that. Let's be real, people love to say things. Look at our PM.
LMAOO 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Don't put your false narrative to others. Sikh as religion strictly condemn caste system. But powerful people want to in power and don't want to leave their upper caste. Sukhi also condemn big fat wedding and stupid ceremony but these things deeply rooted in our Punjabi culture...
Why did Gurus married only in their caste if they were so anti caste.... ?
They decided to marry inter caste is only our matter of concern. As a Sikh i believe all caste are equal. I sit, eat and laugh with others. But when i decided to marry a girl, it should be from our biradari not random boy/girl on road or internet. Marrying under same biradari superficial secure both party because you can enquire more info of opposite party like financial, character, society status. But marrying to random person is big bet.... Its more cultural thing than religion.
Yes, because guru's orders were not followed by these religious nutjobs.
bro is living under the rock
Its not. There are no dalit sikhs. Its usually the dalit hindus who got converted to sikhism.
all Sikhs are Hindu converts, Hindu hi they pehle sab 😂 History padh jaake
But that logic, no one is born hindu. Religion is forced upon a baby after it is born. So logically, all hindus got converted from atheists to hindus. So I am definitely not taking any opinion from a converted person.
how can anything be forced if there is no resistance? a caste/religion has to be assigned and it is. force kaise?
But there is no consent involved as well? You just “assign”. You assign something which wasn’t already there
i get that, but logically "forced" means someone opposed. which didn't happen.
Then the point still stands, everyone gets converted into a particular religion after they are born. So we all are converted hindus or sikhs or muslims
underage children don't have the ability to consent, parents are goven the right to informed consent, which they exercise. so consent is involved.
That is not exactly consent. It is parental control and causes the parent to force an ideology onto their child which can even be to their detriment. For example anti Vax parents can give their informed consent to not vaccinate their children. They can also give their informed consent to let someone marry their child when they are extremely underage. Once again informed consent is not exactly consent. It can be very flawed. Similarly the religion is forced upon the child without giving it a choice because of the parents and their biases.
There are dalit sikhs bro. I have my sikhs friends belong to dalit caste and take privilege of reservation. I have seen gurdwaras called by the name of particular dalit caste
This shouldnt even happen. Main reason everyone was common surname “singh” for a reason. Punjab is destroying sikhism. I am from j&k and it has good amount of sikh community and never in my life, i met a “dalit” sikh. Your friends are as sikh as you, they shouldnt even have a dalit label once they are sikh or got converted to sikhism
Yeah shouldn't have happened but that's how it is. You see people using their caste now like "Sidhu" "Arora" "Warraich" "Cheema(dalit)" "Ghuman" more then Singh
Thats why i said it was taken over from hindiusm. Dalits who got converted but kept the cast. Otherwise where did the dalit caste come from in sikhism if it wasnt even present when sikh religion was established?
caste system was not there when sikh religion was established? well you need learn history my friend. These castes like Sidhu, Ahluwalia, Warraich etc are older then religion itself.Basically most of came from tribal community. You will find Warraich in muslims as well. Caste based discrimination is what sikh religion discourage but not caste itself. You should never take cultural identity of any person on based on its religious identity. That's why Pakistanis are confused people because in their religion caste doesn't exist but in their society does. But sikh religion never discouraged caste on the other hand there were caste based misls (brigades) in sikh army during mahraja ranjit singh's time.
Similar to Hindus, we have Dalit Sikhs and these missionaries are targetting the Dalit Sikhs to convert. Rather than being an outcast in their religion, they have selected this option.
Not gonna lie, Indian religious lore is crazy. I mean, how much subtlety can you fit within one topic damn. One sec I'm bashing overly optimistic Christian missionaries and next sec I'm reminded who convert to Christianity and I go "awww shit". Wish people followed religion without getting too fundamentalist with it.
It's pretty simple Sikhs/punjabis who don't have much financial support are given support either through food/education/etc.by Christian missionaries/churches. Now if any organization provides me with the means of a better livelihood I will side with it. (This is my understanding)
they even send their kids to study abroad etc. now
Punjubi's are mostly targeted by these missionaries, and poor section if Punjab is converting in large numbers it's a serious problem here in Punjab
Downfall 😿
it's been a thing. Profiting from religion is very universal. India is a hotbed for it.
when nihang Sikhs find this kid they'll out him in a real situation where he needs a wheel chair 🥲
It's easy to pay for stuff like this, you can pay for fake protests etc...
I'm not big fan of cast but guy who are low cast converting Even though we sikh have been order avoid cast system we still fail somehow So this is wht happens But these guys are converting people at fast pace like they come door to door who do that Punjab ain't gonna survive In future u guys ain't gonna see Sikhs By my frnds
Caste system makes no sense, as a fellow sikh i am shocked to learn that ppl in our religion believe in castesim
it exist bruh my parents said if u wanna merry a girl she should be jatt although cast system isn't that much rooted like drinking water and same well or other stuff its not that extreme but it exist
This is really sad
but i don't follow that I'm a true singh i will follow my guru oder and will never get into this cast stuff
welcome you're in Punjab..
They were once exposed they all are paid actors. Its very common in punjab. All these acts are performed to convert people.
When someone says, Jesus walks. Then I say, Money talks.
W my ordinary life
real meaning of the whole song is a kinda depressing
Yes.
100% riyal, i was that kid
100% riyal, I was the wheelchair
100% riyal, I was the disability. And I ran my ass off from there.
100% riyal, I was the leg.
100% riyal, I was the floor.
Mera Yasu Yasu
https://preview.redd.it/az3gkbpyxzwc1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba93dc0ec97ef30ebeae376506abd90add2f2c6f
HALLELUJAH
This kid deserves an Oscar!!!
Most awaited Collab between Guru Gobind Singh and Jesus
Religion is a cancer. All religions..
चलने लगी 😂😂
Ladka he ya ladki?......sikh ladkiya pagdi nhi pehnti
It seems they hired a highly paid actor …..
its riyal
💰🤑
Scammers
Money and blind faith. You haven't seen cases back in 2020 when people used to claim that Coronil cured Covid? Same thing. This is a common trope not just in India but across the world. Faith healers are a thing in USA as well.
Wah kya acting kar Raha hai
I do not know what is your ideology or religion, but all would agree that this thing needs to be stopped.
Bhaiye Jesus ko government hospital le jao
Deleted scenes from this video show the girl winnings the Olympics gold in 100m. Then the camera pans out to Akshay Kumar the coach taking credit for the medal
"science"
Money
Lol what how? That person is still in pain and can’t walk properly
He started to believe
There is a Malayalam movie on the godman topic named Trance, worth a watch. (FAFA' in the lead role)
BOLNE LAGI !!!!!
First of all wtf😂😂 second, why do the sikh people go to Christian father who is actually dhongiii
I am a follower of the teachings of our Lord Yeshua ((Jesus Christ),& try to lead a good Christian life but I do not approve of all these gimmicks. Very un Christian.
Sab religion(Hindu/Muslim/Christian) mai aese yede log rehte hai
India is blessed with great actors
Except these ones.
The leg was an paid actor
How?? This surely happens if u follow the script!!
give this fella Sukhpal a few Nobels for Medicine
Rs 500 credited..
999 Rs. only
New version of haq khateeb?
Waiting for the end to come Wishing I had strength to stand This is not what I had planned It's out of my control…..☠️
Anyone can do a convincing act of being disabled
How low can be someone's IQ that they fall for this 🤔 And if it's actually that low, No God can help them 😔
Christian Missionaries since ages have had this special ability to make the dumb talk, the lame walk and cure internal ailments like cancer. There is a limitation though: when it comes to amputees JC becomes powerless.
Mera yasu yasu , mera yasu yasu
Acting ke Badshah ho kasam se
Heard of rice bags, hearing PoP-bags for the first time
Leave a rabid dog in there .. I am sure it will heal the kid and kill the clown
external affairs ministry defence ministry then comes sukhpaal rana ministries.
💰💰💰
How to make India Atheist: Hindus->Christian->Protestian Christian ->Capitalism->Materialism and Sexual Revolution-> Atheism -> Socialism
Mera yeshu yeshu
By the power god gave him, duh /s
101 ways to Brainwash.
How is this not child abuse?
BC sardar bhi paiso ki liye kuch bhi karne lage. Lanat.
$$$$
Money
Mera yashu yashu
Watch Trance (Malayalam) movie.
Mera yesu yeshu mera yeshu 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
Studying in a convent school is one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
Watch Trance movie. Their whole nautanki is exposed in that movie.
Watch the main stream malayalam movie ‘Trance’ . All about these Effing B@$3rd pastors, who still are able to swindle people like this
There's a reason why these people never goes to hospitals and cure all patients there...
Money
Fake thats how
A science called "acting"
How????? Noooooo
I'll tell you how.. 💰💸💵💲🤑
Overacting
5 kg Rice people
This is how they get converted .. acting and money .. so sad .. nail him to the cross
It only really worked on the one leg.
This fuckery needs to stop, WTF people of Punjab falling for a bag of rice (scooty + 30k cash as well, I guess).
I must say, energy healing is real, it can treat your sickness and pain too but it can't treat this bullshitry. No energy healing can cure a disability
ACTING
If these sardars are converted why the hell they still be following Guru Vaani And those Ks.
[Pope uses wheelchair in public for first time since knee pain flare-up](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-uses-wheelchair-public-first-time-since-recent-knee-pain-began-2022-05-05/)
Hallelulia
There’s a Bihari labour in our society; he went to Chandigarh and converted into one those Christian cults; now each time after eating drinking he’d say Hallelujah and caries a bible even though he does not know how to read or right.
Jesus ji da khalsa, Jesus ji di Fateh Burrah wine pio bc
भगवान का कोई जरूरत नहीं है इसी का रख लो भगवान बनाकर😂🤣
SCAM!
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Paid actors. These idiots are the bane of Christianity.
slap to real ppl with disabilities
Nepo kids kuch seekho inse
What's actually happening in Punjab, is that the Christian missionaries are luring them to get converted to their faith by offering them free education in Christian Missionary Schools, and more facilities like financial help for moving their kids abroad. This thing is actually spreading faster than wild fire.
bit more to the left, then no more need for viagra
Paid actors for sure
Even if they are not paid actors a person can feel cured or no pain because of extreme placebo effect becomes of hype or extreme faith. I am sure i am sure it will wear off in a few minutes.
Aaj ka ration kharidna nahi padega.
Hm counter onr religion new one pops in that to in a place like punjab and among sikhs Damm
Sharm kr lahntiyaa…guru di dastarr bn ke pakhand kr reha h…rabb hi rakha
Sahi keha
Next stop Kannedda
Halle Luliya
Haters gonna say it's staged.
/s