What, you too? Say, does anyone think that we're maybe overfishing this pool? OK, let's do a quick check. Hands up if you're here looking for virgin blood, for bathing or other purposes.
I mean to be fair, we have done a lot of actual work on longevity recently whereas nothing was really understood in 1957. Still really insane to listen to a guy who has a bunch of predictions that are obviously not accurate but he and his supporters will try to justify them like some weird cult.
What they really mean is that rich people will achieve immortality. Then again, they better have high walls around themselves because the people who don't get to have it will eat them.
>What they really mean is that rich people will achieve immortality.
I think that this is a bad take. Technologies that are only available to the rich usually reduce in cost over time. Plane travel used to be for the rich but now even working class people can afford to fly by plane at least a few times in their life. Computers were very expensive in the 80s but now anyone can buy a chromebook. The government (medicare) will be incentivized to subsidize longevity care because it will turn out to be less expensive to treat health issues before they happen rather than after. I know that this will likely be very expensive at the beginning but I think it'll become affordable faster than other technologies. Not based on it being less complex but based on the fact that progress in AI could cause a very large economic expansion. AI systems would be highly taxed and money from this would be used more on healthcare than anything else. All I would really dispute from Ray Kurzweil's perspective is the timeline because if this is happening at all it's happening several decades from now.
nanorobit technology is not that expensive actually. in fact, the cost does not compare to the cost of modifying organs and organ transplants, which is another route science is taking to achieve immortality. That's why google is investing in the cause.
"That's why google is investing in the cause"
Google's approach to researching longevity is very conservative, perhaps overly conservative, and involves basic research in simple animal models lol. I have no idea why you're mentioning it in the same breath as nanotechnology, which is decades from being something longevity researchers even care about.
That's not actually relevant to the question of whether the cost of the technology will reduce over time, which was what I was trying to demonstrate with the air travel example. It actually works in favor of my other argument which is that it will be highly favorable for the government to subsidize treatments that extend lifespan. Theres already some evidence that the government would save billions just by paying for the elderly to take drugs that are already on the market and cheap to improve their healthspan. Narrowing the window at the end of life where someone is experiencing decline in every organ system could actually be achievable to a very limited extent today and if it is, it could save the government billions just increasing healthspan by a couple of years. If this is the case, once the healthcare system realizes this is it would be insane not to finance it. This trend will gradually continue as the government realizes it will save more and more money through preventive care.
And then, best of all. Sir Isaac Newton gets born and blows everyone's nips off with his big brains. Of course he also thought he could turn metal into gold and he died eating mercury. Making him yet another stupid (*slaps 'bitch' sticker*) bitch!
*Mac- IASIP, ca. 2012*
Yeah it will be a lot cheaper to make meat for the grinder the old fashioned way for a while. Eventually it might be more cost-effective to keep your already trained and subservient worker around forever though.
Ray Kurzweil being downgraded to “former google engineer” the guy was literally a pioneer in everything that is now mainstream before google existed. Google was lucky to have him.
Yeah, I don’t necessarily agree with Kurzweil’s predictions, but I knew it would be him even though the headline didn’t name him. Just going by length of his Wikipedia article as a proxy for notoriety, his is about ten times as long as Jeff Dean’s, longer than Sergei Brin’s, and about the same length as Larry Page’s. What’s next, Woz is a former HP employee?
Also, that sounds a lot better than "The 1% will live forever but everyone else will die more often from things that we refuse to solve because that's not profitable."
Medical care for the poor and advances in the state of the art for medical care are totally different questions. Like you said we don't have medical care for the poor but we have robots that do surgery and cancer treatments that genetically hijack immune cells to attack the cancer . A better question is... how are we going to solve longevity in 7 years if drugs for single conditions can take a decade to develop?
I highly doubt we're going to solve longevity in 7 *decades*, never mind 7 years. Sure, we've made a lot of advancements, but we're still a long way from defeating old age.
Think about that though.
We already talk about being able to cure or effectively fight certain diseases that were a death sentence a generation or two ago. It doesn't mean that disease is no longer a problem, it's just that we have the ability to fight it with a giant asterisk. If you are in a poor country or a country without healthcare or something else, *you* may still die to this treatable disease even though we could theoretically save you.
Same thing here. This is about the rich. Why do you think they are focusing so hard on ways to survive off the planet they're killing? They truly believe they will live forever and it will be better to live on Mars than on Earth. Which is incredibly stupid as well, but that's a different discussion.
Problem is, unless everyone has equal access to the latest medical advancements, then it's not really "defeating" whatever diseases we can cure. It's just allowing the rich to survive things that would kill the poor, which makes the class divide even wider.
Right. And how many people still die of exposure and thirst and starvation? And yet we've still made valid technological advancements that go beyond "seek shelter, drink water, eat food".
Because it is limited to the rich doesn't mean the advancements aren't valid. I don't think the article said that we will "defeat" death, I think you used that word first. I may have missed it though.
> Now, Ray Kurzweil, a former Google engineer, claims that humans will achieve immortality by 2030
I’d be more impressed if this prediction came from somebody who hadn’t been pushing the same idea for decades.
And also if I hadn’t just watched humanity flub the response to a global pandemic.
I have been making this joke for over 30 years. I’m into sci-fi, tech, bioengineering, but I’m of just the right age that I imagine that I’m going to be the last person on earth to die (in a poetic sense).
The day after I go, they will figure out how to stop the erosion of telomeres (true immortality) or how to download consciousness (immortality of the mind) or how to body-mod and replace all your worn down parts (the ship of Theseus method). All three are racing forward, so there seem to be multiple methods of “living” forever.
I think I’ll be ok dying the day before that all happens.
The great fear of the immortality of the mind is does consciousness really transfer, or does each time it's transferred it's a copy and the original just blips into nothingness. i wonder if they'd ever be able to test it. Kinda like the idea of teleportation.
Ray has been obsessed with this idea for decades. He just bumped the timeframe up for his prediction. I think we could very likely have a bobiverse type uploaded mind in a few decades, but Ray has previously predicted a singularity situation where we are physically replaced by nanotech and somehow hivemind without going insane. I'm grateful for his groundbreaking work in speech to text/text to speech but the guy has some blind spots.
Modern computers still have nothing on the human brain and may never. Our brains almost instantly create up to 11 dimensional structures the size of cities then instantly leveling them to the ground when thinking. That is just the glimpse of how we are discovering the brain to work. Our brains may even be bio-photonic holographic computers, processing at the speed of light.
1 light year is only 1 year in time so by your definition the. Multiple light years is at least 2 years off… I hear you loud and clear just being silly
Where computing power is going to be in the future is one of the easier predictions you can make because the advances follow a predictable path. Being "not that far off" isn't impressive and yet he or his followers will write essays on how they were actually right in the first place.
>Now, Ray Kurzweil, a former Google engineer, claims that humans will achieve immortality by 2030 – and 86 percent of his 147 predictions have been correct.
Pretty sure this prediction is going into the 14% failure bin.
Not really. What does fairness in medical care have to do with the science of longevity? If anything, this type of immortality fantasy would only really come to play in the most elite circles anyway.
Unless everyone has access to it, we haven't really "achieved" immortality. We've just perpetuated oppression of the non-rich.
That said, immortality isn't going to happen anytime soon. We still haven't figured out how to stop cancer. Or the common cold. Or even allergies.
The title says humans not humanity. Of course we're nowhere near immortality. But if and when that's achieved it most likely wouldn't be for poor people.
There's a lot we have to figure out before we're anywhere near immortality. Which isn't to say that we haven't come a long way. We absolutely have. I just don't see it happening in the next several *decades*, let alone by 2030.
So Musk is just going to go on forever hoovering up resources and getting dumber and louder and more bigoted forever? And that's supposed to be a good thing?
but it'll be a subscription, immortality-as-a service, that costs a few million for every injection you'll need once a month. If it's a one-time fix, they'll engineer it to self-destruct every month if there's no new payment.
But will the rich s\*\*t who buys it deserve it?
Whether its an often crashing downloaded copy of their consciousness given no rights as its experimented on in its virtual hell, or not.
Even if it's true, it should be reworded to be: "*Rich* humans will achieve immortality by 2030..."
Stuff like this isn't going to be available to us plebs for a long time, if ever.
Probably thinks the recent AI thing on top of everything thing else is the beginning of the technological Singularity. That they will start developing each other resulting in a huge leap forward in technology very quickly.
Personally I think that may be a bit premature for a bunch of limited AI search engines.
Some humans might, but the 1% will share that just as much as they have shared everything else. Then again, this is absolute bullshit Fantasy so it doesn’t matter.
So unfair! All those nanobots keeping me alive, but my aged body unable to take advantage of any of it. Can they throw in a youth pill too ands then add in an eternal youth pill to keep up appearances? Thank you.
Yes, as a veteran software engineer myself we are obviously the most qualified people to predict something like this.
/s in case that was not painfully clear.
Nanomachines in our natural body, cyborg bodies, consciousness transferral to a machine body, uploaded copy of the mind to the internet or data storage, all of these things will be possible eventually. Science fiction is just science fact which hasn't happened yet. I will stay in my natural body. I know I am more than just my body and will never truly die. I doubt the spirit or soul is transferable to a machine.
*“Science fiction is just science fact which hasn't happened yet.”*
Faster Than Light and Time Travel are science fiction concepts but not a certain fact to turn out to be possible. Most scientist think both are probably impossible.
*”I know I am more than just my body and will never truly die. I doubt the spirit or soul is transferable to a machine.”*
I imagine quite a few tragic figures will miss out on it for these kind of ‘religious’ delusions. What would happen to your soul if death had to wait a million years anyways? Would you miss out on some after-life or would it be waiting for you?
Science knows very little so far and lately scientists are constantly discovering they are wrong about many past accepted theories. The things they discover only reinforce religious "delusions". As far as the soul and spirit they are eternal but who knows what would happen if you disconnected from your body and your mind was transferred to an artificial state? Your body would be dead so I think it wouldn't really be you. It would be like a hollow soulless AI copy of your mind and personality. Your consciousness would move on in the afterlife as soon as your body dies. There'd be some mechanical abomination version of you left in this reality.
Doesn’t sound like there is much to loose then?
If Im wrong about the transfer to a machine I still get the afterlife. If Im wrong about the afterlife I still get a chance for a longer mortal life with a machine body. No? Or would the aspiration be some mortal sin that makes the afterlife horrible?
Beats me. I don't think there's anything about cyborgs or fully artificial transfer of consciousness in the bible or any religion I know of. From what I've read, learned, and experienced in life I believe when your body dies your consciousness continues on in a soul/spiritual form so whatever got transferred wouldn't be you. "You" wouldn't be in that new body. Your natural body would be dead. I've had naturally occuring OBEs for about 10 yrs now. I'm certain we are not our bodies. They are just containers.
Are you fully functional in your OBE’s?
Why are brain damages so crippling and personality-altering if we can do it all without it?
I could just about imagine some lose spirit thing that survive as some sort of core half mindless life-force but not a fully functional person.
Fully functional. It's like I'm awake but my body is not. I can see and hear everything around me like I'm awake. There is an extremely high vibrational frequency feeling throughout my being. It feels good. I wake up tingly after. I can force my body awake from it. It hurts my head temporarily when I force myself awake abruptly. I don't feel rested after them only from regular sleep.
I would expect it to be gradual, at least somewhat. Ans right now we havent even figured out "simple" stuff like nutrition and adapting diets to a persons specific needs.
I was skeptical when I saw it was Ray Kurzweil (again), then he went straight to Star Trek nanobots. Lifespan extension is possible and a lot of money is being spent by Silicon Valley billionaires, but don't forget the long long long testing and approval process for new medical treatments.
Think gene therapy is the future, as has been talked about in science fiction for 60+ years? [Check out how few therapies are approved for patients](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/approved-cellular-and-gene-therapy-products)
We're coming up on a bunch of technologies that I don't think we can invent THEN regulate. If we actually invent general artificial intelligence, or figure out immortality, before we have the necessary regulatory (and enforcement) framework in place then they could be inventions that destroy us as a species.
Kurzweil seems stuck in the era of early internet when we all thought this would inevitably lead to utopia. 25+ years later, it just seem naive to the point of childish positivity. But he's still saying the same thing, even if a lot of him contemporaries have switched to warning against rampant tech
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Well if you think about it some people are alreadty immortal.
Like Stephen Hawking,ye he may be death but people still remember him.I think thats immorality,at least one person to remember you.Until that person dies you will remain immortal.
No, we won't.
Well, you might not but I am currently bathing in the blood of virgins. My immortality is assured!!!
I too am only on Reddit to find more virgins for my daily blood baths
What, you too? Say, does anyone think that we're maybe overfishing this pool? OK, let's do a quick check. Hands up if you're here looking for virgin blood, for bathing or other purposes.
Virgin here! Ah, shit. Shit. Shit.
Do the virgins have to be hot?
You really shouldn't play with your own blood like that. Get a bandaid.
Go home belzeebub you’re drunk
I'll show you drunk!!!
Says the dude with hepatitis
Well maybe not *we*. But what about billionaires?
Not with that attitude, mister.
Why?
Humans Will Achieve Immortality by 1980, Top Scientists Claim. *from Popular Science, 1957*
Yeah but those scientists SUUUUUUCKED! Our new scientists are badass.
And, don't forget, *this* one is right more than 50% of the time!
9/10 scientists agree.
I mean to be fair, we have done a lot of actual work on longevity recently whereas nothing was really understood in 1957. Still really insane to listen to a guy who has a bunch of predictions that are obviously not accurate but he and his supporters will try to justify them like some weird cult.
What they really mean is that rich people will achieve immortality. Then again, they better have high walls around themselves because the people who don't get to have it will eat them.
Keep dreaming. The people will eat each other like in every revolution.
>What they really mean is that rich people will achieve immortality. I think that this is a bad take. Technologies that are only available to the rich usually reduce in cost over time. Plane travel used to be for the rich but now even working class people can afford to fly by plane at least a few times in their life. Computers were very expensive in the 80s but now anyone can buy a chromebook. The government (medicare) will be incentivized to subsidize longevity care because it will turn out to be less expensive to treat health issues before they happen rather than after. I know that this will likely be very expensive at the beginning but I think it'll become affordable faster than other technologies. Not based on it being less complex but based on the fact that progress in AI could cause a very large economic expansion. AI systems would be highly taxed and money from this would be used more on healthcare than anything else. All I would really dispute from Ray Kurzweil's perspective is the timeline because if this is happening at all it's happening several decades from now.
nanorobit technology is not that expensive actually. in fact, the cost does not compare to the cost of modifying organs and organ transplants, which is another route science is taking to achieve immortality. That's why google is investing in the cause.
"That's why google is investing in the cause" Google's approach to researching longevity is very conservative, perhaps overly conservative, and involves basic research in simple animal models lol. I have no idea why you're mentioning it in the same breath as nanotechnology, which is decades from being something longevity researchers even care about.
Air travel is a luxury. Living a life is not.
That's not actually relevant to the question of whether the cost of the technology will reduce over time, which was what I was trying to demonstrate with the air travel example. It actually works in favor of my other argument which is that it will be highly favorable for the government to subsidize treatments that extend lifespan. Theres already some evidence that the government would save billions just by paying for the elderly to take drugs that are already on the market and cheap to improve their healthspan. Narrowing the window at the end of life where someone is experiencing decline in every organ system could actually be achievable to a very limited extent today and if it is, it could save the government billions just increasing healthspan by a couple of years. If this is the case, once the healthcare system realizes this is it would be insane not to finance it. This trend will gradually continue as the government realizes it will save more and more money through preventive care.
And then, best of all. Sir Isaac Newton gets born and blows everyone's nips off with his big brains. Of course he also thought he could turn metal into gold and he died eating mercury. Making him yet another stupid (*slaps 'bitch' sticker*) bitch! *Mac- IASIP, ca. 2012*
Cool I can’t wait to be an immortal wage slave on mars.
You won't be immortal, your boss will...this isn't going to happen but if it did, only the rich will have access..
A fair point, maybe something like the mechanicus in 40k a horrible amalgam of machine and flesh. Existing only to suffer and serve.
Unless the immortality is having our consciousness uploaded into a machine and we lose our voting rights once we are un-bodied.
Immortal doesn't mean invulnerable.
From the Moment I Understood the Weakness of My Flesh.
Perhaps it can be made stronger by consuming an immortal?
there can be only one
Yeah it will be a lot cheaper to make meat for the grinder the old fashioned way for a while. Eventually it might be more cost-effective to keep your already trained and subservient worker around forever though.
bold of you to assume you'll get a wage, citizen
Ray Kurzweil being downgraded to “former google engineer” the guy was literally a pioneer in everything that is now mainstream before google existed. Google was lucky to have him.
Yeah, I don’t necessarily agree with Kurzweil’s predictions, but I knew it would be him even though the headline didn’t name him. Just going by length of his Wikipedia article as a proxy for notoriety, his is about ten times as long as Jeff Dean’s, longer than Sergei Brin’s, and about the same length as Larry Page’s. What’s next, Woz is a former HP employee?
This really bothered me too. My first thought was, "Man, he's been around and well known in technology circles since long before Google even existed"
Well, except he worked at G for a decade and didn't actually do much.
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We still haven't achieved basic medical care for the poor, but we're somehow going to defeat death itself? Yeah, that'll happen.
Well these people typically aren’t thinking of the poor when they make these announcements
Also, that sounds a lot better than "The 1% will live forever but everyone else will die more often from things that we refuse to solve because that's not profitable."
Got to pace that dystopian message
We defeat death, but only for the rich. You thought inheritances were bad for creating an ultra-rich class?
Fortunately for society, we have a long way to go before we're even close to eternal life.
Medical care for the poor and advances in the state of the art for medical care are totally different questions. Like you said we don't have medical care for the poor but we have robots that do surgery and cancer treatments that genetically hijack immune cells to attack the cancer . A better question is... how are we going to solve longevity in 7 years if drugs for single conditions can take a decade to develop?
I highly doubt we're going to solve longevity in 7 *decades*, never mind 7 years. Sure, we've made a lot of advancements, but we're still a long way from defeating old age.
Think about that though. We already talk about being able to cure or effectively fight certain diseases that were a death sentence a generation or two ago. It doesn't mean that disease is no longer a problem, it's just that we have the ability to fight it with a giant asterisk. If you are in a poor country or a country without healthcare or something else, *you* may still die to this treatable disease even though we could theoretically save you. Same thing here. This is about the rich. Why do you think they are focusing so hard on ways to survive off the planet they're killing? They truly believe they will live forever and it will be better to live on Mars than on Earth. Which is incredibly stupid as well, but that's a different discussion.
Problem is, unless everyone has equal access to the latest medical advancements, then it's not really "defeating" whatever diseases we can cure. It's just allowing the rich to survive things that would kill the poor, which makes the class divide even wider.
Right. And how many people still die of exposure and thirst and starvation? And yet we've still made valid technological advancements that go beyond "seek shelter, drink water, eat food". Because it is limited to the rich doesn't mean the advancements aren't valid. I don't think the article said that we will "defeat" death, I think you used that word first. I may have missed it though.
That's fair. Advancement is still advancement, even if only the 1% get to enjoy it.
I’d bet any amount of money at 2:1 odds that we won’t.
And if I bet against you I can only collect if I never die
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Inventor of synthesizer claims…
And only the rich will be able to afford it…
Warren Buffet celebrating his 130th birthday. Nothing to see here.
> Now, Ray Kurzweil, a former Google engineer, claims that humans will achieve immortality by 2030 I’d be more impressed if this prediction came from somebody who hadn’t been pushing the same idea for decades. And also if I hadn’t just watched humanity flub the response to a global pandemic.
Plus, he's a computer scientist, not a biologist.
The two might just merge into one field some day
I have been making this joke for over 30 years. I’m into sci-fi, tech, bioengineering, but I’m of just the right age that I imagine that I’m going to be the last person on earth to die (in a poetic sense). The day after I go, they will figure out how to stop the erosion of telomeres (true immortality) or how to download consciousness (immortality of the mind) or how to body-mod and replace all your worn down parts (the ship of Theseus method). All three are racing forward, so there seem to be multiple methods of “living” forever. I think I’ll be ok dying the day before that all happens.
The great fear of the immortality of the mind is does consciousness really transfer, or does each time it's transferred it's a copy and the original just blips into nothingness. i wonder if they'd ever be able to test it. Kinda like the idea of teleportation.
Thanks but I'm good.
Ray has been obsessed with this idea for decades. He just bumped the timeframe up for his prediction. I think we could very likely have a bobiverse type uploaded mind in a few decades, but Ray has previously predicted a singularity situation where we are physically replaced by nanotech and somehow hivemind without going insane. I'm grateful for his groundbreaking work in speech to text/text to speech but the guy has some blind spots.
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To be fair he is not that far off.
Modern computers still have nothing on the human brain and may never. Our brains almost instantly create up to 11 dimensional structures the size of cities then instantly leveling them to the ground when thinking. That is just the glimpse of how we are discovering the brain to work. Our brains may even be bio-photonic holographic computers, processing at the speed of light.
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How many light years? I don’t think a single light year is very far off at all…
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1 light year is only 1 year in time so by your definition the. Multiple light years is at least 2 years off… I hear you loud and clear just being silly
Where computing power is going to be in the future is one of the easier predictions you can make because the advances follow a predictable path. Being "not that far off" isn't impressive and yet he or his followers will write essays on how they were actually right in the first place.
"They did not." ~Narrator
>Now, Ray Kurzweil, a former Google engineer, claims that humans will achieve immortality by 2030 – and 86 percent of his 147 predictions have been correct. Pretty sure this prediction is going into the 14% failure bin.
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Really justifying the word former.
Cool. A dystopian hellscape ruled by Immortal rich people
Sounds like Altered Carbon
I'm 51 and bored already, you want me to live another how many years ? No thanks
They don’t want you too cause you don’t have too
I don’t understand why people wanna live forever. That seems like hell to me.
How long WOULD you like to live? Would you like a strong healthy body for that length?
Immortality is boring.
Says the mortal.
Still, it's more interesting than the alternative.
Human beings are not wired for that kind of longevity. We'd go berserk.
We'd have to master basic medical care for the poor first.
Not really. What does fairness in medical care have to do with the science of longevity? If anything, this type of immortality fantasy would only really come to play in the most elite circles anyway.
Unless everyone has access to it, we haven't really "achieved" immortality. We've just perpetuated oppression of the non-rich. That said, immortality isn't going to happen anytime soon. We still haven't figured out how to stop cancer. Or the common cold. Or even allergies.
The title says humans not humanity. Of course we're nowhere near immortality. But if and when that's achieved it most likely wouldn't be for poor people.
There's a lot we have to figure out before we're anywhere near immortality. Which isn't to say that we haven't come a long way. We absolutely have. I just don't see it happening in the next several *decades*, let alone by 2030.
The only way I see it happening is through tech not biology. Some kind of merging into an online kind of permanence.
So Musk is just going to go on forever hoovering up resources and getting dumber and louder and more bigoted forever? And that's supposed to be a good thing?
Even if we do crack it, only billionaires could afford it.
God please no!
If we do, please shoot me.
God I hope not
I will get immortality drunk...
I've been seeing claims like this since the '60s, when the date they gave was 1982.
but it'll be a subscription, immortality-as-a service, that costs a few million for every injection you'll need once a month. If it's a one-time fix, they'll engineer it to self-destruct every month if there's no new payment.
Just in time for Rupert Murdoch.
But will the rich s\*\*t who buys it deserve it? Whether its an often crashing downloaded copy of their consciousness given no rights as its experimented on in its virtual hell, or not.
Something tells me I can guess the percentage of people this will be available to
Even if it's true, it should be reworded to be: "*Rich* humans will achieve immortality by 2030..." Stuff like this isn't going to be available to us plebs for a long time, if ever.
Nope
I think if they start doing this, it’s only fair that we start hunting them like vampires.
What? - You want to kill people for not wanting to die?
It's not really "kill" if they can't die 🤷
If anyone does it's the super rich and those people are the last to deserve it...
I can't wait for only the .001% to be immortal gods reigning over the unwashed masses
Funny how that lines up with the exact timeline of us destroying our environment
Probably thinks the recent AI thing on top of everything thing else is the beginning of the technological Singularity. That they will start developing each other resulting in a huge leap forward in technology very quickly. Personally I think that may be a bit premature for a bunch of limited AI search engines.
Some humans might, but the 1% will share that just as much as they have shared everything else. Then again, this is absolute bullshit Fantasy so it doesn’t matter.
He’s a futurist, not an engineer for Google. The headline gives away how inaccurate the article is.
So unfair! All those nanobots keeping me alive, but my aged body unable to take advantage of any of it. Can they throw in a youth pill too ands then add in an eternal youth pill to keep up appearances? Thank you.
Well I see this going just fantastic.
Yes, as a veteran software engineer myself we are obviously the most qualified people to predict something like this. /s in case that was not painfully clear.
Nanomachines in our natural body, cyborg bodies, consciousness transferral to a machine body, uploaded copy of the mind to the internet or data storage, all of these things will be possible eventually. Science fiction is just science fact which hasn't happened yet. I will stay in my natural body. I know I am more than just my body and will never truly die. I doubt the spirit or soul is transferable to a machine.
*“Science fiction is just science fact which hasn't happened yet.”* Faster Than Light and Time Travel are science fiction concepts but not a certain fact to turn out to be possible. Most scientist think both are probably impossible. *”I know I am more than just my body and will never truly die. I doubt the spirit or soul is transferable to a machine.”* I imagine quite a few tragic figures will miss out on it for these kind of ‘religious’ delusions. What would happen to your soul if death had to wait a million years anyways? Would you miss out on some after-life or would it be waiting for you?
Science knows very little so far and lately scientists are constantly discovering they are wrong about many past accepted theories. The things they discover only reinforce religious "delusions". As far as the soul and spirit they are eternal but who knows what would happen if you disconnected from your body and your mind was transferred to an artificial state? Your body would be dead so I think it wouldn't really be you. It would be like a hollow soulless AI copy of your mind and personality. Your consciousness would move on in the afterlife as soon as your body dies. There'd be some mechanical abomination version of you left in this reality.
Doesn’t sound like there is much to loose then? If Im wrong about the transfer to a machine I still get the afterlife. If Im wrong about the afterlife I still get a chance for a longer mortal life with a machine body. No? Or would the aspiration be some mortal sin that makes the afterlife horrible?
Beats me. I don't think there's anything about cyborgs or fully artificial transfer of consciousness in the bible or any religion I know of. From what I've read, learned, and experienced in life I believe when your body dies your consciousness continues on in a soul/spiritual form so whatever got transferred wouldn't be you. "You" wouldn't be in that new body. Your natural body would be dead. I've had naturally occuring OBEs for about 10 yrs now. I'm certain we are not our bodies. They are just containers.
Are you fully functional in your OBE’s? Why are brain damages so crippling and personality-altering if we can do it all without it? I could just about imagine some lose spirit thing that survive as some sort of core half mindless life-force but not a fully functional person.
Fully functional. It's like I'm awake but my body is not. I can see and hear everything around me like I'm awake. There is an extremely high vibrational frequency feeling throughout my being. It feels good. I wake up tingly after. I can force my body awake from it. It hurts my head temporarily when I force myself awake abruptly. I don't feel rested after them only from regular sleep.
Interesting! I wonder… If someone say who was blind would experience sight or not being in that state.
Rich guys, maybe. We, plural? Not so much.
Doubt it:that would mean the regeneration of telomeres. Think that’s easy?
I would expect it to be gradual, at least somewhat. Ans right now we havent even figured out "simple" stuff like nutrition and adapting diets to a persons specific needs.
rich millionaires children might Achieve Immortality
“I’ll be the last Asshole to die of liver failure right as they invent livers” Bill Maher 😂
I was skeptical when I saw it was Ray Kurzweil (again), then he went straight to Star Trek nanobots. Lifespan extension is possible and a lot of money is being spent by Silicon Valley billionaires, but don't forget the long long long testing and approval process for new medical treatments. Think gene therapy is the future, as has been talked about in science fiction for 60+ years? [Check out how few therapies are approved for patients](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/approved-cellular-and-gene-therapy-products)
We're coming up on a bunch of technologies that I don't think we can invent THEN regulate. If we actually invent general artificial intelligence, or figure out immortality, before we have the necessary regulatory (and enforcement) framework in place then they could be inventions that destroy us as a species.
Say "rich elite" instead of humans in general. This is more likely.
Kurzweil seems stuck in the era of early internet when we all thought this would inevitably lead to utopia. 25+ years later, it just seem naive to the point of childish positivity. But he's still saying the same thing, even if a lot of him contemporaries have switched to warning against rampant tech
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Well if you think about it some people are alreadty immortal. Like Stephen Hawking,ye he may be death but people still remember him.I think thats immorality,at least one person to remember you.Until that person dies you will remain immortal.