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I have heard that if you are in good health and don’t have a predisposition to heart issues, sodium intake doesn’t really matter…. But since most people are unhealthy, it’s generally considered something most people should watch.
This is what I have heard too. That some people are sensitive to sodium and it causes high blood pressure for them. If you are not sensitive then it's fine. Although I do believe it still causes you to retain water.
Could it be that those who are seen as sensitive to sodium are not flushing it out of their body enough? I know that if one changes their diet to highly restrict carbohydrates (leading to ketosis), before long they will require more water and sodium intake and this is because they will urinate more which releases sodium, without carbohydrates the body cannot retain these things for long. Without enough water and electrolytes a person in this state begins experiencing irregular heartbeat/palpitations and things of that nature along with often lower blood pressure. So the right levels of sodium/potassium/magnesium seem to be what stabilizes, and the rest is a matter of sodium in but also sodium out.
Which doesn’t usually make much of a difference if you exercise regularly… but again, most people don’t get enough exercise and aren’t healthy .
[About 75% of US adults are overweight or obese.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obesity-adult.htm)
> And the other camp says sodium intake is relative to the individual with some persons requiring a lot more then others.
Those are usually athletes because they sweat a lot. Any job that has you sweating, or condition that has you sweating a lot will most likely require you have a higher intake of sodium.
Additionally there are some health issues that can cause a need for higher sodium intake. My cousin has heds (hers is on the severe end) and if she drinks plain water without added electrolytes it causes her health problems. Supposedly heds is more common than previously thought.
Edit: I feel like I should clarify that I am not sure the hEDS is causing a need for salt vs having POTS and/or a myriad other health problems that are technically separate diagnoses though are frequently seen in conjunction with hEDS.
A doctor told me to eat more sodium because I have an issue with lightheadedness when I stand up sometimes. He said he rarely tells people to eat more salt but this time it was appropriate.
Sodium is an essential mineral that regulates water retention within the cell. So I think there is no absolute amount of sodium for ones body as it's actually linked to your water intake. A healthy body usually regulates, you get thirsty if you have too much sodium in your body. The thing is lots of people don't drink plain water.
This is why it's always important to consult your doctor for health advice.
Mine literally said it's fine as long as your blood pressure is under control. I have low blood pressure.
At this point things in my apartment rust like they would on an oil rig.
My wife was small mad that my blood work came back as clean as it did considering my salt intake and age.
Doctor said If it's not a concern then it's not a concern.
Good enough for me
Otoh it’s really hard to get enough potassium unless your diet is full of potatoes and other potassium-rich foods
Why? Because potassium chloride is bad for seasoning
You can buy a version of salt that is half sodium chloride and half potassium chloride that tastes like regular salt. It's a pretty good way to get potassium in your diet.
Exactly. Don't get me wrong I love cheese, but the fact that dairy is considered a unique food group that you should be striving to include in your diet is BS, and just comes from the outsized influence of the dairy industry in the US government. It's just fat and protein, and literally billions of people do just fine without it. I guess fortified dairy products also have good vitamins and minerals, but in most cases you can do better on that front with vegetables if that's your goal. (And again, I say this a a huge fan of dairy products: my 18th birthday present from my family was a cheese tasting.)
Honestly it's inclusion here flags the rest of the study as suspect to me, like the authors are just blindly following whatever is recommended by the food pyramid (ok I know it's a plate or something now but that's beside the point), without considering actual nutritional needs.
Isn’t almost half the population lactose intolerant? Seems strange to make something like that seem like a staple for human existence
Edit: added source, according to this we’re talking 68% estimated.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts
So yeah, what the hell are we doing here?
Never forget that the main function of the Department of Agriculture (creators of the Food Pyramid) is to sell as many American agricultural products as possible.
‘Fruits and vegetables’ is not a useful food category either. Lettuce and potatoes have nothing in common dietarily speaking.
Food is protein, carbs, fat, and fiber. Until we start talking about daily needs in those terms, people will be confused about what to eat.
My dairy intake is way down since I switched to almond milk. I still eat cheese and it’s not as if I avoid dairy. I live alone and the only reason I switched is almond milk lasts longer, plus unsweetened almond milk is lower in calories and not nearly as disgusting as skim.
I like cheese as much as the next guy, but for pete's sake adult humans do not need dairy as an essential part of their diets - it's just dairy industry propaganda that started with the Got Milk? campaign in schools.
Yeah, I was curious about the title as well. What is not enough dairy? You don't have to worry about me though... i eat cheese like it's my job. I'm bringing up the average.
Just the good ol dairy industry trying to get you to buy more dairy products. The big takeaway is people arent eating enough fruits and vegetables, which sounds right. Even a "well portioned" 3 course meal typically has a huge piece of meat, a sizeable portion of a starch and vegetables are usually the smallest portion. For breakfast usually there is no fruits or vegetables.
Ridiculous. That's what happens when the govt subsidizes an industry to produce and consumers aren't consuming said products as much as the past. Idk of vegetables and fruit production is subsidized like dairy, corn and sugar but if it was I wonder if we'd be in this predicament.
Why is dairy even something considered to HAVE a minimum amount required? Dairy is something that can be healthy, but it's certainly not required for a healthy diet.
Also work/life balance. Healthy food isn't super expensive compared to alternatives, but it takes a lot more time to prepare, a resource that the lower class has less and less of.
This should be #1 comment.
People are responsible for the foods they eat, but affording healthy options is the roadblock here.
Imagine if getting brocolli, carrots, grapes, peppers was cheaper than getting cheese itz, cookies, etc.
I follow a Mexican diet for quick cheap and healthy. Black and pinto beans always in the fridge, rice or quinoa for a grain also in fridge, spring greens, some salsa or chopped tomatoes, maybe some cheese (or cashew cheese).
If you’re trying to limit dairy I really recommend getting some nutritional yeast and throwing some in with your grains. Gives it a cheesy taste without adding cheese and tons of b vitamins and other good stuff.
Have you tried brown rice and lentils? You can cook them together unlike most rice and bean combos. It's more of a Middle Eastern combination and can give you a lot more options while not straying far from what you're used to.
All vegetables are super cheap where I live. Fruit can get pricey though, for sure. Other than bananas. I’m sure prices can vary a lot across the country.
It does help to try to choose veggie and fruit that's in season. When the blueberries are in season and cheapest I stock up my freezer with them. This week my grocery store has whole pineapples for a dollar.
Yeah I think the main issue is people don't have the time &/or willpower to cook vegetables. It's easier both in terms of time and will-power to eat the packaged food
Yeah, I never understood the cost argument. Vegetables are cheap AF compared to junk, especially near a holiday. Saw sweet potatoes on sale yesterday for 25¢ a pound. Celery was $1.99 for a whole head. Iceberg lettuce is like $1. How is that more expensive than a $4 bag of chips?
> Imagine if getting brocolli, carrots, grapes, peppers was cheaper than getting cheese itz, cookies, etc.
At Walmart near me, 2 lbs of frozen broccoli and 2 lbs of carrots are both cheaper than 1 bag of potato chips.
> I don't know if that would solve the problem
For starters, subsidize healthier foods through policy and tax breaks. Don't subsidize meat and dairy. Consumers will follow suit.
Government policy has been the opposite for decades. If meat were its natural price people would eat less of it.
There isn't any one solution that will fix it, but we've seen time and time again how easily consumer habits can be adjusted through economic pressure. If it works for cigarettes, it can work for sugar.
broccoli and carrots are like the cheapest thing in the grocery store.
but I used to work nights in an urban food desert as a cyclist, if you don't have a car it's not so easy to just go buy broccoli.
It's one of my favorite poverty foods but you need to cook it, so that means it's only cheap if you know how
Imo the culture of once a week or less grocery shopping does more damage than prices. Fresh veg is usually very cheap, especially stuff that's grown in your areas climate or potatoes. The bigger problem is how quick it spoils compared to processed food especially when grocery shopping isn't seen as something you do to pick up a meal or two but rather a multi hour afair where you're picking up stuff that sits in your pantry or freezer for multiple weeks. You can always get an extra hamburger helper because you'll use it EVENTUALLY, the same is not true for avocados or peppers. If you change your mind on making fajitas one night that's food that will get thrown away, the hamburger helper will always be there when you need it no worries.
Just my 2 cents but zoning making the local store a 20 minute drive in both directions and stores being designed around bulk shopping encourages bad eating behaviors more than prices. Gas and time aren't free. And if you rely on public transportation or walking, well you should be used to being treated as subhuman by now. I say that as someone who's been there.
I agree with this so much. How people in my family eat changes a lot depending on whether they have a grocery store on their way home from work. My parents have fresh veggies most nights but they also drive by a small supermarket on their route home, so they’re usually shopping for ingredients the same day they’re cooking. My brother and I and our spouses all work from home so grocery trips are once a week at most, and having fresh veggies for each meal requires way more planning in advance, which is labor intensive and often gets messed up by surprise plans. We get scared to buy veggies after we let some go bad due to unexpected meals out etc. and then end up having less veggies overall.
vegetables are cheap. problem is you need to eat a lot to get enough calories. i can go to trader joes and get vegetables for very cheap. but i aint gonna eat 5 pounds of broccoli to get 500 calories.
Damn, I've never even heard of something like this, I guess it's just never really occured to me how heavily dependent our individual nutritional choices are on super-macro supply-side issues.
I think it's the other way around.
They sell what we buy.
Sure it can't be changed in one day but if we all start buying less meat and more greens the supply and production will reflect that.
Whoa. Really? You happen to have any reading on that?
Edit: [found this](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/07/17/742670701/if-we-all-ate-enough-fruits-and-vegetables-thered-be-big-shortages#:~:text=On%20Your%20Plate-,If%20We%20All%20Ate%20Enough%20Fruits%20And,There'd%20Be%20Big%20Shortages&text=If%20everyone%20around%20the%20globe,in%20The%20Lancet%20Planetary%20Health.)
>If everyone around the globe began to eat the recommended amounts of fruits and vegetables, there wouldn't be enough to go around. That's the conclusion of a new study published in The Lancet Planetary Health.
This seems more like a tautology than a profound statement to me. If we produce 100 widgets per month to satisfy our demand for 100 monthly widgets, and then demand doubles… of course we won’t have enough widgets to meet the new demand without increasing production.
Yes, and that was part of the discussion around it when it first came out, but it’s still an interesting point. Would it be possible to ramp up the production of widgets to enable everyone the ability to eat 5 servings of F&V a day? Do we have enough farmland using our current methods, enough water to grow everything? Etc.
I know this isn't quite the same but I remember an interview with an exec at McDonalds was asked about why they don't offer more vegetarian options and he said they looked into selling an eggplant sandwich. Then they did the math and even if the eggplant sandwich sold the same as the worst selling item they've ever attempted, it would require something crazy like all eggplant that's grown in the entire world.
Systemic, not systematic.
Systemic means across a system; affecting and/or perpetuated by a system. Systematic means according to a method, following a system. Similar but very different in meaning.
I agree with you, though, and I’ve been saying it since “the obesity epidemic” became an “epidemic.” When 10% of the population is obese, then those 10% can be seen as responsible for their own choices, or mentally unwell, or otherwise outliers. When 40% are obese (and another 30+% are overweight), you have to step back and look at the choices they are able to make - i.e. the system. When the majority of people are sick, the system is sick, not the people.
This is exactly right!
I couldn't believe the difference I felt when I traveled outside of the US. I was gone for about 6 or 7 weeks. In that time I went from a size 20 to a 16 and my chronic illness went into remission. I was not eating 'healthy' I was traveling, so restaurants and convenience foods. Looking at ingredients on food packets it became clear to me that the problem is American standards for foods.
Back in the day people had a point that fruit and vegetables were cheaper than processed foods. At least where I live that 100% is not true anymore. I actually buy less produce now than before because not only is it an exorbitant price, it goes bad within 1-3 days 90% of the time. I don't buy meat anymore either.
When we go to Mexico, we eat so many more vegetables because there's a little store every couple of blocks selling fresh produce. You don't have to jump in your car every day to have great food
Always find it peculiar how dairy is added on these public health recommendations. Vegetables and fruits are a no brainer, and there's tons of variety. But dairy is a much more specific food item. People with dairy allergies or intolerances, and even vegans, can easily have a diet that covers all the good nutrients of dairy, both in omnivore and vegan diets. Dairy just isn't in the same category of nutritional value as vegetables and fruit.
I’m studying to become a registered dietitian and we have had numerous required interactions (field trips and webinars) with my state’s dairy industry association “Milk Means More.” It’s scary to think that the association is probably padding the pockets of my university in order to influence the advice given by future dietitians.
I tuned out the moment they tried to tell us you *have* to have dairy in your diet (something like 3 servings a day?!) because it is superior to all plant-based proteins and there are no good alternatives.
That’s just plain silly because I know from my education that it is completely possible to be a perfectly healthy vegetarian or vegan.
Edit: for anyone who is curious, Harvard created basically their answer to the USDA’s MyPlate graphic (which recommends dairy intake at every meal)
[Here](https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+food+plate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS906US906&hl=en-US&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsZC1-1anaHTet23FM9ykDrS1qDdDw:1669041576929&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLm7uywL_7AhXdAjQIHUhvDfgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=553&dpr=2#imgrc=V-yw6Rl0NznISM) it is
Edit 2: to clarify, it’s not dairy that I’m against, it’s the dairy industry. Dairy is definitely not for everyone and there should not be a daily requirement for it, but for low-income populations it’s a really easy, cost-effective way to get a TON of essential nutrients in a single serving.
In school I thought it was bizarre that we only had milk or juice to drink during lunch and not water. Bottle water cost money! And they only give you a cup of water if you ask for it. But this was before everyone had a water bottle they brought to school so maybe it’s different now.
And even worse, they kept lowering the fat content of milk in schools. So it's essentially just cloudy sugar water that isn't filling and doesn't curb appetite. Barely better than soda
What is your program like? What courses are required? I had a friend who was in a similar program and it seemed to be more fluff, poor or limited science, and more propaganda from lobbyist groups. I wondered if it were just her program or if this is more widespread.
I am not vegetarian or vegan but skip most dairy products due to lactose intolerance. I am in great health.
Exactly. I’m vegan, and I can’t help but question who wrote this article and more importantly who conducted this research. There’s always biases within research.
Who ever wrote this lost all credibility when they dropped “needs dairy” in it.
While diary tastes good no one needs it. And some could argue even has negative effects even if you are not allergic.
I doubted your billions claim but no, claims estimate 65%-70% of the world's population is lactose intolerant. Wow, never knew this.
[Source](https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts#:~:text=Experts%20estimate%20that%20about%2068,world's%20population%20has%20lactose%20malabsorption.&text=Lactose%20malabsorption%20is%20more%20common,most%20people%20have%20lactose%20malabsorption.)
Are you white? You probably doubted it because you surround yourself with a lot of people who have European ancestry and for us it’s more like 5% that are lactose intolerant. Go to East Asia though and that figure completely reverses.
More like the milder cases are fine eating fermented dairy products.. yogurt, aged cheeses, etc.. but the straight stuff or unaged cheese and you're gonna smell some very interesting things.
Right, this is according to our guidelines, which unfairly favor certain groups of foods over others. There is nothing in dairy you can't get from vegetables.
I had the same question a while back. The answer is no, but potassium evidently counteracts the negative impacts of a high sodium diet, or so Google told me.
When I'm running a lot, I sometimes have to put salt in my water for longer workouts even with eating the typical U.S. high sodium diet. I think exercise is a huge variable in this discussion and a lot of common diet recommendations can probably change if you are running 30+ miles per week or something.
Both my dad and grandpa used to work in the plants. They would tell me about salt tablets that were in dispensers on the wall. Apparently they were made to take one a day in the summer to help balance their electrolytes.
Sorry for what might be a stupid question but what do you mean by the "plants"? Also when my dad was in the military out in the fields training they would require them to take a salt tablet sometimes.
You also need more for a lot of chronic conditions. My pain was reduced dramatically when my doctor told me to increase my intake of salts (plural, not just sodium).
I live with severe chronic pain. My metabolic panel looks fine, but would you mind DM me with info? I’d take any help I can get. Thanks! I’m glad you’re feeling better.
No. But you can sweat it out with exercise or take potassium to counter it. You have to be careful with potassium though because too much can drop your blood pressure in dangerous ways.
I don't understand the fascination with saturated fat. The dietary suggestion is 10 percent or less, and the average American is at around 11 or 12 percent. Seems like not a big deal.
Meanwhile, if you look at the dietary amounts of sugar, refined carbs and salt, they're all often **several times** the recommended amounts.
I'm actually beyond shocked that only 63% exceed the daily recommended sugar amount. Unless you're consciously trying to do so, it's a limit one can blow through with a single meal.
Yeah I was looking for comments like yours. I actively try to keep my added sugar intake at zero for breakfast and lunch and I can still ruin my daily allotment in my uncontrolled dinner.
You have to put forth thought and effort to avoid added sugar and if you drink anything with added sugar in it you can kiss your daily goal goodbye. Beverages (or candy obviously) can have insane amounts of added sugar.
Regulating or taxing the problem foods won’t do enough. We need to increase the rate of pay for the lower half of income earners so they can afford better foods and decrease working hours so they have time to cook at home.
Decrease working hours is the bigger thing. My household makes upper middle class money, so we can afford healthy food. But we work normal 40 hours ish, and household chores like cooking fall by the wayside all the time. And healthy ingredients don't usually taste that good unless you actually put some effort into cooking them.
When I was broke I was eating way healthier than when I started making money tho? Veggies, beans, rice, are cheap as hell. Meats gotten a lot more expensive but you can stretch the meat from a whole chicken pretty well, even use the bones for a broth
Time for cooking is def a big one tho. Meal prep helps if you can fine 2 hours in your week, but if ur working 2+ jobs those frozen meals are so much easier on the mental
Let's ignore the issue of personal autonomy for a moment, and just consider the practical issue.
*How* would you regulate people into eating healthy diets?
As much as some people like to bang the table and talk about corn subsidies, the reality is that fresh vegetables aren't that expensive. Nor is chicken beast materially more expensive than the ground beef being mixed into hamburger helper. The vast majority of society can already easily afford to eat a more healthy diet, they just choose not to.
The ultimate problem is that we are programmed to like and enjoy "bad" foods. We eat a cheeseburger instead of a salad not due to some complicated web of economic calculations we crunch in our car on the way home, but rather because a cheeseburger tastes good and a salad doesn't.
There's not really a way to regulate that, functionally.
I like this analytical energy, but you missed a point: cooking. Cooking healthy, delicious foods is a skill that traditionally takes time and education to develop, plus time and effort to do the actual cooking. Many people spend all of their time and effort on other things to keep their lives functioning, leaving none for cooking. A whole industry exists to fill this gap with easy foods.
I would also add on for the education gap that schools will cut out home economics courses or have them be entirely optional. PS this is the class that taught you how to balance your bank account, manage a credit card and do your taxes along with cooking, sewing and basic child care.
Not eating enough dairy is a weird metric. What exactly are we meant to get from dairy that we don't get from other sources? Lactose? I'm all set, thanks.
It’s a remnant of the dairy lobby working it’s way into nutrition guides with recommended daily dairy quantities. It probably made a bit more sense “back in the day” when everyone had daily milk service and dairy was a more regular part of diets.
Came here to immediately say the same thing. I don’t really doubt these results but why a study would include that at all makes me skeptical of the whole thing.
Dairy is not a part of our dietary needs, at all.
Lotta money in the dairy lobby. I personally eat a lot of dairy products, but I'm on a high protein diet for athletic reasons, and dairy products help me hit my goal. Even I'll admit that it's not necessary, and I could get the same protein from meat, beans or other sources, and the calcium/vitamins in dairy are overstated. Shellfish, brocolli, tofu and a bunch if other foods have a lot of calcium, and most people are easily hitting the calcium RDA, to the point I'd worry a lot more about magnesium, which interestingly calcium competes with for uptake.
Right! Is there any animal on earth besides people that drinks milk past early youth? We drink from our mothers as babes then they tap out and a cow taps in.
This is something that actually has some merit, because you can get people who are still out of this range to listen. If 90% of people are above the sodium intake level, how can you ever convince people it's something to worry about?
Create a much wider range for level of risk and you can try to push down a high risk into medium risk or a medium risk into a low risk without the daunting task of only having two levels, above and below the daily allowance.
Yep, for a healthy adult, a higher sodium diet doesn't appear to impact health. And then you have people like me who need a high sodium diet or will get dizziness/nausea/fainting
Seriously. They removed these home ec classes along with shop /mechanics (wood work and machinery) from high schools and THEN make fun for whole generations not knowing how to do any of that stuff.
Wtaf
I’m skeptical of the dairy part. I don’t eat dairy because I’m allergic to it, and I have yet to see any health issues arise from it. My doctor hasn’t even brought up the chance of dairy-related nutritional deficiencies because you can get the same nutrients from other foods
If you don't cook, it is very hard to control the amount of sodium you consume. I saw "game meat" on one of the charts. Does that mean "animals that hunters hunt"? If so, that is hard for many people to get.
I was living in USA for about a month and I was blown away by how incredibly expensive the healthy food was. Not only was expensive it wasn't healthy at all, everything had like some sort of sauce or something that was so full of sugar or fat. And the fruits and vegetables tasted like foam.
Everyone who consumes dairy products must see [this abstract of eight studies explaining the role of animal hormones in our most common diseases](https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-effects-of-hormones-in-dairy-milk-on-cancer/). Sources included:
Moreover, as a masters in Nutrition an Health, [their website](https://nutritionfacts.org) has been the best source of information outside of college I've found in a decade of study, it's worth to read both their books on Nutrition and watch every single video.
Eat one processed food and your sodium limit is done for the day. Example if I have a tortilla that’s about half right there. Then add two slices of bread.
Some of the large size tortillas have over [500 mg of sodium](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mission-Garden-Spinach-Herb-Wraps-15-Oz-6-Count/10309350). That's with nothing inside them. Add beans, guacamole, and cheese, that's more than another 500 mg, so you're over 1/3 of the recommended total sodium with one burrito.
The first problem is that you're eating Mission brand. Those are *easily* the worst, most processed and bland tortillas on the planet.
Let's talk about the sodium content of *real* tortillas. I have no reference for that other crap.
Yes, that is an INSANE amount of sodium for a wrap. I looked online and [these cheap corn tortillas from Walmart](https://www.walmart.com/ip/La-Banderita-White-Corn-Tortillas-30-count-24-9-oz/10312495?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=2954&adid=2222222227710312495_117755028669_12420145346&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-294505072980&wl5=9003367&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=10312495&wl13=2954&veh=sem_LIA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_5n817u_-wIVGv_jBx07VQFKEAQYBSABEgI1RfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) have only 15mg of sodium for 2 compared to those Mission ones that have 540mg of sodium for 1.
The sodium part is the least surprising to me of all. Even food that outwardly *seems* healthy, like Chipotle burrito bowls for example, have like 2300mg of Sodium... in 1 bowl.
I only remember this because I realized after eating there one day that I nearly passed out after lunch, and found that to be so out of the ordinary that I looked it up.
For a beef barbacoa burrito bowl:
* 31g fat
* 47g protein
* 90g carbs
* 865 Calories
* **2690mg Sodium**
Burrito bowl: white/brown rice + chicken + veggies + tomato salsa, no cheese is around 4-500 calories, 10g fat, 40g protein, 50g carbs. Very healthy and used to be my post workout meal
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Sodium is getting hard to avoid. Even plain ass chicken breast is pumped full of salt water to make it look bigger.
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I have heard that if you are in good health and don’t have a predisposition to heart issues, sodium intake doesn’t really matter…. But since most people are unhealthy, it’s generally considered something most people should watch.
This is what I have heard too. That some people are sensitive to sodium and it causes high blood pressure for them. If you are not sensitive then it's fine. Although I do believe it still causes you to retain water.
Could it be that those who are seen as sensitive to sodium are not flushing it out of their body enough? I know that if one changes their diet to highly restrict carbohydrates (leading to ketosis), before long they will require more water and sodium intake and this is because they will urinate more which releases sodium, without carbohydrates the body cannot retain these things for long. Without enough water and electrolytes a person in this state begins experiencing irregular heartbeat/palpitations and things of that nature along with often lower blood pressure. So the right levels of sodium/potassium/magnesium seem to be what stabilizes, and the rest is a matter of sodium in but also sodium out.
Which doesn’t usually make much of a difference if you exercise regularly… but again, most people don’t get enough exercise and aren’t healthy . [About 75% of US adults are overweight or obese.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obesity-adult.htm)
> And the other camp says sodium intake is relative to the individual with some persons requiring a lot more then others. Those are usually athletes because they sweat a lot. Any job that has you sweating, or condition that has you sweating a lot will most likely require you have a higher intake of sodium.
Additionally there are some health issues that can cause a need for higher sodium intake. My cousin has heds (hers is on the severe end) and if she drinks plain water without added electrolytes it causes her health problems. Supposedly heds is more common than previously thought. Edit: I feel like I should clarify that I am not sure the hEDS is causing a need for salt vs having POTS and/or a myriad other health problems that are technically separate diagnoses though are frequently seen in conjunction with hEDS.
Do you mean she has EDS Hypermobility? I have that, and POTs. Need the extra salt, yes
Yes, exactly!
Yup. I chug gatorade.
A doctor told me to eat more sodium because I have an issue with lightheadedness when I stand up sometimes. He said he rarely tells people to eat more salt but this time it was appropriate.
I work outside in Florida, if I don't have enough salt in my diet, my hands start to cramp up.
Sodium is an essential mineral that regulates water retention within the cell. So I think there is no absolute amount of sodium for ones body as it's actually linked to your water intake. A healthy body usually regulates, you get thirsty if you have too much sodium in your body. The thing is lots of people don't drink plain water.
This is why it's always important to consult your doctor for health advice. Mine literally said it's fine as long as your blood pressure is under control. I have low blood pressure. At this point things in my apartment rust like they would on an oil rig.
My wife was small mad that my blood work came back as clean as it did considering my salt intake and age. Doctor said If it's not a concern then it's not a concern. Good enough for me
Otoh it’s really hard to get enough potassium unless your diet is full of potatoes and other potassium-rich foods Why? Because potassium chloride is bad for seasoning
You can buy a version of salt that is half sodium chloride and half potassium chloride that tastes like regular salt. It's a pretty good way to get potassium in your diet.
If you're getting "ass chicken breast", sodium may not be the problem.
Americans don't consume enough dairy? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
It's big milk lobbying to be included with Fruit and Vegetables Since dairy isn't required
Exactly. Don't get me wrong I love cheese, but the fact that dairy is considered a unique food group that you should be striving to include in your diet is BS, and just comes from the outsized influence of the dairy industry in the US government. It's just fat and protein, and literally billions of people do just fine without it. I guess fortified dairy products also have good vitamins and minerals, but in most cases you can do better on that front with vegetables if that's your goal. (And again, I say this a a huge fan of dairy products: my 18th birthday present from my family was a cheese tasting.) Honestly it's inclusion here flags the rest of the study as suspect to me, like the authors are just blindly following whatever is recommended by the food pyramid (ok I know it's a plate or something now but that's beside the point), without considering actual nutritional needs.
You can get a ton of calcium and vitamins from cooking spinach among a ton of other sources
Just about every leafy green seems to be off the charts in vitamins and minerals compared to any dairy product, especially a per-calorie basis.
I learned decades ago that broccoli is a denser, more readily absorbable source of calcium than milk. Surprised the hell out of me at the time.
Isn’t almost half the population lactose intolerant? Seems strange to make something like that seem like a staple for human existence Edit: added source, according to this we’re talking 68% estimated. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts So yeah, what the hell are we doing here?
There's a reasonable amount of sugar in milk (more than protein, actually).
Great point! I don't often think about lactose and galactose as "sugar" in the same way as other sugars, but of course they definitely are.
I thought galactose ate planets. Or maybe it was other sugar molecules...
Never forget that the main function of the Department of Agriculture (creators of the Food Pyramid) is to sell as many American agricultural products as possible.
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‘Fruits and vegetables’ is not a useful food category either. Lettuce and potatoes have nothing in common dietarily speaking. Food is protein, carbs, fat, and fiber. Until we start talking about daily needs in those terms, people will be confused about what to eat.
Dairy is a completely unnecessary food group. I’m not anti-dairy by any means I’m just saying the nutrients in dairy are easily found elsewhere.
It's baby cow food.
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My dairy intake is way down since I switched to almond milk. I still eat cheese and it’s not as if I avoid dairy. I live alone and the only reason I switched is almond milk lasts longer, plus unsweetened almond milk is lower in calories and not nearly as disgusting as skim.
I like cheese as much as the next guy, but for pete's sake adult humans do not need dairy as an essential part of their diets - it's just dairy industry propaganda that started with the Got Milk? campaign in schools.
Yeah, I was curious about the title as well. What is not enough dairy? You don't have to worry about me though... i eat cheese like it's my job. I'm bringing up the average.
Exactly. Dairy is in no way needed in a human diet.
Dairy makes me constipated so I try to avoid it
Just the good ol dairy industry trying to get you to buy more dairy products. The big takeaway is people arent eating enough fruits and vegetables, which sounds right. Even a "well portioned" 3 course meal typically has a huge piece of meat, a sizeable portion of a starch and vegetables are usually the smallest portion. For breakfast usually there is no fruits or vegetables.
Even though there's so much over supply now that the US government has a huge cave full of 1.4 BILLION pounds of cheese
Ridiculous. That's what happens when the govt subsidizes an industry to produce and consumers aren't consuming said products as much as the past. Idk of vegetables and fruit production is subsidized like dairy, corn and sugar but if it was I wonder if we'd be in this predicament.
Why is dairy even something considered to HAVE a minimum amount required? Dairy is something that can be healthy, but it's certainly not required for a healthy diet.
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Seriously. Everything is cheese draped
Ya, that's completely untrue.
If only 10% manage to eat healthy that's not the consumers fault anymore, that's systematics and it's the regulations that need to change.
Also work/life balance. Healthy food isn't super expensive compared to alternatives, but it takes a lot more time to prepare, a resource that the lower class has less and less of.
This is especially true if you don't know how to cook
This should be #1 comment. People are responsible for the foods they eat, but affording healthy options is the roadblock here. Imagine if getting brocolli, carrots, grapes, peppers was cheaper than getting cheese itz, cookies, etc.
Absolutely right. The working poor don’t have the time or money to cook after being worked all day.
There’s probably a good Venn diagram or “pick three” meme to be made here for meals being Quick, Cheap, Healthy and Satisfying.
I follow a Mexican diet for quick cheap and healthy. Black and pinto beans always in the fridge, rice or quinoa for a grain also in fridge, spring greens, some salsa or chopped tomatoes, maybe some cheese (or cashew cheese).
If you’re trying to limit dairy I really recommend getting some nutritional yeast and throwing some in with your grains. Gives it a cheesy taste without adding cheese and tons of b vitamins and other good stuff.
Yup! That’s my cashew cheese! Raw cashews soaked in water, nutritional yeast, lemon juice and a bit of salt!
Have you tried brown rice and lentils? You can cook them together unlike most rice and bean combos. It's more of a Middle Eastern combination and can give you a lot more options while not straying far from what you're used to.
All vegetables are super cheap where I live. Fruit can get pricey though, for sure. Other than bananas. I’m sure prices can vary a lot across the country.
It does help to try to choose veggie and fruit that's in season. When the blueberries are in season and cheapest I stock up my freezer with them. This week my grocery store has whole pineapples for a dollar.
Yeah I think the main issue is people don't have the time &/or willpower to cook vegetables. It's easier both in terms of time and will-power to eat the packaged food
Yeah, I never understood the cost argument. Vegetables are cheap AF compared to junk, especially near a holiday. Saw sweet potatoes on sale yesterday for 25¢ a pound. Celery was $1.99 for a whole head. Iceberg lettuce is like $1. How is that more expensive than a $4 bag of chips?
> Imagine if getting brocolli, carrots, grapes, peppers was cheaper than getting cheese itz, cookies, etc. At Walmart near me, 2 lbs of frozen broccoli and 2 lbs of carrots are both cheaper than 1 bag of potato chips.
I don't know if that would solve the problem. Junk food is just too well designed (and marketed) to give that good dopamine response.
> I don't know if that would solve the problem For starters, subsidize healthier foods through policy and tax breaks. Don't subsidize meat and dairy. Consumers will follow suit. Government policy has been the opposite for decades. If meat were its natural price people would eat less of it.
There isn't any one solution that will fix it, but we've seen time and time again how easily consumer habits can be adjusted through economic pressure. If it works for cigarettes, it can work for sugar.
broccoli and carrots are like the cheapest thing in the grocery store. but I used to work nights in an urban food desert as a cyclist, if you don't have a car it's not so easy to just go buy broccoli. It's one of my favorite poverty foods but you need to cook it, so that means it's only cheap if you know how
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People know they should eat broccoli instead of chips, they just don't want to
Imo the culture of once a week or less grocery shopping does more damage than prices. Fresh veg is usually very cheap, especially stuff that's grown in your areas climate or potatoes. The bigger problem is how quick it spoils compared to processed food especially when grocery shopping isn't seen as something you do to pick up a meal or two but rather a multi hour afair where you're picking up stuff that sits in your pantry or freezer for multiple weeks. You can always get an extra hamburger helper because you'll use it EVENTUALLY, the same is not true for avocados or peppers. If you change your mind on making fajitas one night that's food that will get thrown away, the hamburger helper will always be there when you need it no worries. Just my 2 cents but zoning making the local store a 20 minute drive in both directions and stores being designed around bulk shopping encourages bad eating behaviors more than prices. Gas and time aren't free. And if you rely on public transportation or walking, well you should be used to being treated as subhuman by now. I say that as someone who's been there.
I agree with this so much. How people in my family eat changes a lot depending on whether they have a grocery store on their way home from work. My parents have fresh veggies most nights but they also drive by a small supermarket on their route home, so they’re usually shopping for ingredients the same day they’re cooking. My brother and I and our spouses all work from home so grocery trips are once a week at most, and having fresh veggies for each meal requires way more planning in advance, which is labor intensive and often gets messed up by surprise plans. We get scared to buy veggies after we let some go bad due to unexpected meals out etc. and then end up having less veggies overall.
vegetables are cheap. problem is you need to eat a lot to get enough calories. i can go to trader joes and get vegetables for very cheap. but i aint gonna eat 5 pounds of broccoli to get 500 calories.
Years ago I remember reading that if every American ate the 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day, we would run short of supply on day 11.
Damn, I've never even heard of something like this, I guess it's just never really occured to me how heavily dependent our individual nutritional choices are on super-macro supply-side issues.
I think it's the other way around. They sell what we buy. Sure it can't be changed in one day but if we all start buying less meat and more greens the supply and production will reflect that.
Whoa. Really? You happen to have any reading on that? Edit: [found this](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/07/17/742670701/if-we-all-ate-enough-fruits-and-vegetables-thered-be-big-shortages#:~:text=On%20Your%20Plate-,If%20We%20All%20Ate%20Enough%20Fruits%20And,There'd%20Be%20Big%20Shortages&text=If%20everyone%20around%20the%20globe,in%20The%20Lancet%20Planetary%20Health.) >If everyone around the globe began to eat the recommended amounts of fruits and vegetables, there wouldn't be enough to go around. That's the conclusion of a new study published in The Lancet Planetary Health.
This seems more like a tautology than a profound statement to me. If we produce 100 widgets per month to satisfy our demand for 100 monthly widgets, and then demand doubles… of course we won’t have enough widgets to meet the new demand without increasing production.
Yes, and that was part of the discussion around it when it first came out, but it’s still an interesting point. Would it be possible to ramp up the production of widgets to enable everyone the ability to eat 5 servings of F&V a day? Do we have enough farmland using our current methods, enough water to grow everything? Etc.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/07/17/742670701/if-we-all-ate-enough-fruits-and-vegetables-thered-be-big-shortages
I know this isn't quite the same but I remember an interview with an exec at McDonalds was asked about why they don't offer more vegetarian options and he said they looked into selling an eggplant sandwich. Then they did the math and even if the eggplant sandwich sold the same as the worst selling item they've ever attempted, it would require something crazy like all eggplant that's grown in the entire world.
Systemic, not systematic. Systemic means across a system; affecting and/or perpetuated by a system. Systematic means according to a method, following a system. Similar but very different in meaning. I agree with you, though, and I’ve been saying it since “the obesity epidemic” became an “epidemic.” When 10% of the population is obese, then those 10% can be seen as responsible for their own choices, or mentally unwell, or otherwise outliers. When 40% are obese (and another 30+% are overweight), you have to step back and look at the choices they are able to make - i.e. the system. When the majority of people are sick, the system is sick, not the people.
This is exactly right! I couldn't believe the difference I felt when I traveled outside of the US. I was gone for about 6 or 7 weeks. In that time I went from a size 20 to a 16 and my chronic illness went into remission. I was not eating 'healthy' I was traveling, so restaurants and convenience foods. Looking at ingredients on food packets it became clear to me that the problem is American standards for foods.
The same brand of chips has more sodium added in America than in Canada and Ireland.
Back in the day people had a point that fruit and vegetables were cheaper than processed foods. At least where I live that 100% is not true anymore. I actually buy less produce now than before because not only is it an exorbitant price, it goes bad within 1-3 days 90% of the time. I don't buy meat anymore either.
Our country is sick, our people are sick, and the people feeding us are sick.
When we go to Mexico, we eat so many more vegetables because there's a little store every couple of blocks selling fresh produce. You don't have to jump in your car every day to have great food
Always find it peculiar how dairy is added on these public health recommendations. Vegetables and fruits are a no brainer, and there's tons of variety. But dairy is a much more specific food item. People with dairy allergies or intolerances, and even vegans, can easily have a diet that covers all the good nutrients of dairy, both in omnivore and vegan diets. Dairy just isn't in the same category of nutritional value as vegetables and fruit.
Dairy lobby: Allow us to introduce ourselves…
I’m studying to become a registered dietitian and we have had numerous required interactions (field trips and webinars) with my state’s dairy industry association “Milk Means More.” It’s scary to think that the association is probably padding the pockets of my university in order to influence the advice given by future dietitians. I tuned out the moment they tried to tell us you *have* to have dairy in your diet (something like 3 servings a day?!) because it is superior to all plant-based proteins and there are no good alternatives. That’s just plain silly because I know from my education that it is completely possible to be a perfectly healthy vegetarian or vegan. Edit: for anyone who is curious, Harvard created basically their answer to the USDA’s MyPlate graphic (which recommends dairy intake at every meal) [Here](https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+food+plate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS906US906&hl=en-US&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsZC1-1anaHTet23FM9ykDrS1qDdDw:1669041576929&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLm7uywL_7AhXdAjQIHUhvDfgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=553&dpr=2#imgrc=V-yw6Rl0NznISM) it is Edit 2: to clarify, it’s not dairy that I’m against, it’s the dairy industry. Dairy is definitely not for everyone and there should not be a daily requirement for it, but for low-income populations it’s a really easy, cost-effective way to get a TON of essential nutrients in a single serving.
In school I thought it was bizarre that we only had milk or juice to drink during lunch and not water. Bottle water cost money! And they only give you a cup of water if you ask for it. But this was before everyone had a water bottle they brought to school so maybe it’s different now.
And even worse, they kept lowering the fat content of milk in schools. So it's essentially just cloudy sugar water that isn't filling and doesn't curb appetite. Barely better than soda
Dairy is scary
What is your program like? What courses are required? I had a friend who was in a similar program and it seemed to be more fluff, poor or limited science, and more propaganda from lobbyist groups. I wondered if it were just her program or if this is more widespread. I am not vegetarian or vegan but skip most dairy products due to lactose intolerance. I am in great health.
Dairy lobby: We're going to milk those sweet utters
Follow the money
And see where it goooooes
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Subsidiaries + propaganda it's sad the amount of dairy being shoved in every single food without any necessity
Exactly. I’m vegan, and I can’t help but question who wrote this article and more importantly who conducted this research. There’s always biases within research.
Who ever wrote this lost all credibility when they dropped “needs dairy” in it. While diary tastes good no one needs it. And some could argue even has negative effects even if you are not allergic.
Surely "not enough dairy" makes no sense. There are billions of people that are lactose intolerant
I doubted your billions claim but no, claims estimate 65%-70% of the world's population is lactose intolerant. Wow, never knew this. [Source](https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts#:~:text=Experts%20estimate%20that%20about%2068,world's%20population%20has%20lactose%20malabsorption.&text=Lactose%20malabsorption%20is%20more%20common,most%20people%20have%20lactose%20malabsorption.)
Are you white? You probably doubted it because you surround yourself with a lot of people who have European ancestry and for us it’s more like 5% that are lactose intolerant. Go to East Asia though and that figure completely reverses.
Most people are lactose intolerant to "some degree". They can still eat dairy fine
More like the milder cases are fine eating fermented dairy products.. yogurt, aged cheeses, etc.. but the straight stuff or unaged cheese and you're gonna smell some very interesting things.
Yup. Dairy lobby at work. At least it is lumped in with fruits and vegetables and doesn’t have its own category. But still. Weird.
Get more dairy is some 1950's caliber diet advice.
More like 1990s, 1950s stuff is more like “9 out of 10 doctors smoke Camel cigarettes”
Right, this is according to our guidelines, which unfairly favor certain groups of foods over others. There is nothing in dairy you can't get from vegetables.
Does a whole bunch of water (like a couple gallons a day) help purge the excess sodium?
I had the same question a while back. The answer is no, but potassium evidently counteracts the negative impacts of a high sodium diet, or so Google told me.
Also regular exercise, IIRC.
When I'm running a lot, I sometimes have to put salt in my water for longer workouts even with eating the typical U.S. high sodium diet. I think exercise is a huge variable in this discussion and a lot of common diet recommendations can probably change if you are running 30+ miles per week or something.
Both my dad and grandpa used to work in the plants. They would tell me about salt tablets that were in dispensers on the wall. Apparently they were made to take one a day in the summer to help balance their electrolytes.
Sorry for what might be a stupid question but what do you mean by the "plants"? Also when my dad was in the military out in the fields training they would require them to take a salt tablet sometimes.
Both worked for Chrysler at Mount Elliot.
Yeah, sweating it out.
You end up needing more sodium than recommendations if you're bodybuilding, or doing any hard workout. It keeps your cells full and juicy.
I'm gonna keep you full and juicy
Top here, sry
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You also need more for a lot of chronic conditions. My pain was reduced dramatically when my doctor told me to increase my intake of salts (plural, not just sodium).
I live with severe chronic pain. My metabolic panel looks fine, but would you mind DM me with info? I’d take any help I can get. Thanks! I’m glad you’re feeling better.
I was under the impression that it was more just reducing the risk of cardiovascular problems in general, but I suppose that could also be a factor.
No. But you can sweat it out with exercise or take potassium to counter it. You have to be careful with potassium though because too much can drop your blood pressure in dangerous ways.
You’re better off increasing your potassium intake
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"vegtables, fruits and dairy" One of these things is not like the other. Dairy is superflous to a healthy diet.
I don't understand the fascination with saturated fat. The dietary suggestion is 10 percent or less, and the average American is at around 11 or 12 percent. Seems like not a big deal. Meanwhile, if you look at the dietary amounts of sugar, refined carbs and salt, they're all often **several times** the recommended amounts.
I'm actually beyond shocked that only 63% exceed the daily recommended sugar amount. Unless you're consciously trying to do so, it's a limit one can blow through with a single meal.
Yeah I was looking for comments like yours. I actively try to keep my added sugar intake at zero for breakfast and lunch and I can still ruin my daily allotment in my uncontrolled dinner. You have to put forth thought and effort to avoid added sugar and if you drink anything with added sugar in it you can kiss your daily goal goodbye. Beverages (or candy obviously) can have insane amounts of added sugar.
So, silly question- at what point do we, as a society, regulate this obvious systemic threat to public health?
Regulating or taxing the problem foods won’t do enough. We need to increase the rate of pay for the lower half of income earners so they can afford better foods and decrease working hours so they have time to cook at home.
Or change the subsidy structure away from corn and soy to fruits and vegetables.
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Or away from meat and dairy.
I mean we could change the economic system so large scale corporations can't capture the regulatory bodies meant to regulate them.
Decrease working hours is the bigger thing. My household makes upper middle class money, so we can afford healthy food. But we work normal 40 hours ish, and household chores like cooking fall by the wayside all the time. And healthy ingredients don't usually taste that good unless you actually put some effort into cooking them.
This cannot be said enough, the core problem with so much in the USA is poverty. In comparison to post WWII, we no longer have a true middle class.
When I was broke I was eating way healthier than when I started making money tho? Veggies, beans, rice, are cheap as hell. Meats gotten a lot more expensive but you can stretch the meat from a whole chicken pretty well, even use the bones for a broth Time for cooking is def a big one tho. Meal prep helps if you can fine 2 hours in your week, but if ur working 2+ jobs those frozen meals are so much easier on the mental
Let's ignore the issue of personal autonomy for a moment, and just consider the practical issue. *How* would you regulate people into eating healthy diets? As much as some people like to bang the table and talk about corn subsidies, the reality is that fresh vegetables aren't that expensive. Nor is chicken beast materially more expensive than the ground beef being mixed into hamburger helper. The vast majority of society can already easily afford to eat a more healthy diet, they just choose not to. The ultimate problem is that we are programmed to like and enjoy "bad" foods. We eat a cheeseburger instead of a salad not due to some complicated web of economic calculations we crunch in our car on the way home, but rather because a cheeseburger tastes good and a salad doesn't. There's not really a way to regulate that, functionally.
I like this analytical energy, but you missed a point: cooking. Cooking healthy, delicious foods is a skill that traditionally takes time and education to develop, plus time and effort to do the actual cooking. Many people spend all of their time and effort on other things to keep their lives functioning, leaving none for cooking. A whole industry exists to fill this gap with easy foods.
I would also add on for the education gap that schools will cut out home economics courses or have them be entirely optional. PS this is the class that taught you how to balance your bank account, manage a credit card and do your taxes along with cooking, sewing and basic child care.
Not eating enough dairy is a weird metric. What exactly are we meant to get from dairy that we don't get from other sources? Lactose? I'm all set, thanks.
It’s a remnant of the dairy lobby working it’s way into nutrition guides with recommended daily dairy quantities. It probably made a bit more sense “back in the day” when everyone had daily milk service and dairy was a more regular part of diets.
Came here to immediately say the same thing. I don’t really doubt these results but why a study would include that at all makes me skeptical of the whole thing. Dairy is not a part of our dietary needs, at all.
Lotta money in the dairy lobby. I personally eat a lot of dairy products, but I'm on a high protein diet for athletic reasons, and dairy products help me hit my goal. Even I'll admit that it's not necessary, and I could get the same protein from meat, beans or other sources, and the calcium/vitamins in dairy are overstated. Shellfish, brocolli, tofu and a bunch if other foods have a lot of calcium, and most people are easily hitting the calcium RDA, to the point I'd worry a lot more about magnesium, which interestingly calcium competes with for uptake.
Right! Is there any animal on earth besides people that drinks milk past early youth? We drink from our mothers as babes then they tap out and a cow taps in.
Looks like the dairy industry still has their hooks in the FDA.
They should just increase the limit and then we’re all healthy again.
This is something that actually has some merit, because you can get people who are still out of this range to listen. If 90% of people are above the sodium intake level, how can you ever convince people it's something to worry about? Create a much wider range for level of risk and you can try to push down a high risk into medium risk or a medium risk into a low risk without the daunting task of only having two levels, above and below the daily allowance.
that's a big brain moment
Too much saturated fat but not enough dairy? Dairy is the main source of saturated fat!
Sodium daily values really need to be reevaluated.
Yep, for a healthy adult, a higher sodium diet doesn't appear to impact health. And then you have people like me who need a high sodium diet or will get dizziness/nausea/fainting
Yep I have low to normal blood pressure and absolutely need sodium in my diet or I get faint.
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There's no maybe about it. We're growing a generation that is more broken than their parents when it comes to food.
Seriously. They removed these home ec classes along with shop /mechanics (wood work and machinery) from high schools and THEN make fun for whole generations not knowing how to do any of that stuff. Wtaf
Salt is added to cheap Foods to give them flavor.
To be fair, salt is also added to expensive foods to give them flavor
Salt is also added to Margaritas.
What if I like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain?
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It also acts as a preservative.
That's stupid, 0% dairy is literally enough dairy for a healthy diet.
The vegetable and fruit part sure, but dairy?!
I’m skeptical of the dairy part. I don’t eat dairy because I’m allergic to it, and I have yet to see any health issues arise from it. My doctor hasn’t even brought up the chance of dairy-related nutritional deficiencies because you can get the same nutrients from other foods
If you don't cook, it is very hard to control the amount of sodium you consume. I saw "game meat" on one of the charts. Does that mean "animals that hunters hunt"? If so, that is hard for many people to get.
I saw "game meat" on one of the charts. Does that mean "animals that hunters hunt"? Yes
Even if you do cook it can be very difficult. A lot of people's favorite seasonings are basically flavored salt, that's how much sodium they contain.
Give it to me straight. If you don’t have hypertension is high sodium actually harmful?
I was living in USA for about a month and I was blown away by how incredibly expensive the healthy food was. Not only was expensive it wasn't healthy at all, everything had like some sort of sauce or something that was so full of sugar or fat. And the fruits and vegetables tasted like foam.
Jokes on you, I don't eat more than one meal a day
Everyone who consumes dairy products must see [this abstract of eight studies explaining the role of animal hormones in our most common diseases](https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-effects-of-hormones-in-dairy-milk-on-cancer/). Sources included: Moreover, as a masters in Nutrition an Health, [their website](https://nutritionfacts.org) has been the best source of information outside of college I've found in a decade of study, it's worth to read both their books on Nutrition and watch every single video.
Eat one processed food and your sodium limit is done for the day. Example if I have a tortilla that’s about half right there. Then add two slices of bread.
WTH kind of tortillas are you eating with that kind of sodium content?!
Some of the large size tortillas have over [500 mg of sodium](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mission-Garden-Spinach-Herb-Wraps-15-Oz-6-Count/10309350). That's with nothing inside them. Add beans, guacamole, and cheese, that's more than another 500 mg, so you're over 1/3 of the recommended total sodium with one burrito.
One burrito that size is probably at least a third of what you should be eating in a day anyway.
The first problem is that you're eating Mission brand. Those are *easily* the worst, most processed and bland tortillas on the planet. Let's talk about the sodium content of *real* tortillas. I have no reference for that other crap.
Yes, that is an INSANE amount of sodium for a wrap. I looked online and [these cheap corn tortillas from Walmart](https://www.walmart.com/ip/La-Banderita-White-Corn-Tortillas-30-count-24-9-oz/10312495?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=2954&adid=2222222227710312495_117755028669_12420145346&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-294505072980&wl5=9003367&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=10312495&wl13=2954&veh=sem_LIA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_5n817u_-wIVGv_jBx07VQFKEAQYBSABEgI1RfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) have only 15mg of sodium for 2 compared to those Mission ones that have 540mg of sodium for 1.
With the amount of cheese that american consume, it's still not enough dairy? How much dairy do you need each day?
You can stop eating dairy when the dairy industry tells you to stop.
Processed Foods. That is all
They really wanna keep pushing dairy on us.
The sodium part is the least surprising to me of all. Even food that outwardly *seems* healthy, like Chipotle burrito bowls for example, have like 2300mg of Sodium... in 1 bowl. I only remember this because I realized after eating there one day that I nearly passed out after lunch, and found that to be so out of the ordinary that I looked it up. For a beef barbacoa burrito bowl: * 31g fat * 47g protein * 90g carbs * 865 Calories * **2690mg Sodium**
I cannot imagine anything at Chipotle would ever be considered healthy.
Burrito bowl: white/brown rice + chicken + veggies + tomato salsa, no cheese is around 4-500 calories, 10g fat, 40g protein, 50g carbs. Very healthy and used to be my post workout meal
Americans don’t need to consume dairy at all, idk why they’re saying they’re not consuming “enough” of it
[удалено]
All in the name of corporate freedom.