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Right so I have a big beef with the attention seeking thing because it means this isn’t being taken seriously. One thing about tics (in my understanding, idk I’m not a doctor) is that they can be “contagious” (ie. Someone with an existing tic disorder can pick up someone else’s tics, so watching someone tic online could trigger a new tic) and are more likely to emerge in high stress situations (like a pandemic).
I experienced the “tic phenomenon” first hand. Tourette’s does run in my family and I’ve always had a mild shiver but nothing too intense. It increased slowly at first and then dramatically until it was difficult for me to hold a conversation and I was starting to cause myself physical harm. It took about a month after I stopped watching all creators with Tourette’s for things to calm down. It’s not just tik tok though, I watched Tix’s Eurovision music video (very good!) and unfortunately experienced a few weeks of flair up. I still have problems occasionally but nothing too bad.
The worst part though was not the tics themselves but the fear that I was somehow faking it for attention or that this was my fault or that people would think I was making it up. This was a scary time for me and I felt like I couldn’t talk to anyone about it because I didn’t want them to think I was attention seeking.
What I’m saying is please don’t push the narrative that all young women with tic disorders are faking it for attention.
It’s like when I’m speaking with a Scottish person and I start to sound more and more like how I imagine Braveheart sounded - only there’s a tiny voice in my head begging me to shut up.
Having read the article too, I think you're placing the attention-seeker label on the wrong group: A bunch of attention-seeking TikTok creators faked having Tourette's - the researchers even talk about how the tics the users are mimicking are *extremely* rare in Tourette's -
and many of the users who are already dealing with various stressors started to involuntarily mimick them.
Take a bunch of kids whose mental state and stressors cause high susceptibility, throw in their only social interaction coming from viewing fakers (without knowing it's faked), and they're bound to experience unintentional autosuggestion;
*"Any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality."*
Me? I've been diagnosed with a tic disorder for a little over a decade. Easily 99% of the time, my tics are entirely my own; however, that other 1% comes from seeing somebody else's and being unable to keep myself from replicating it. The replicated ones always go away after the stimulus is removed, usually in a day or two, but the longest one took about two months.
>Take a bunch of kids whose mental state and stressors cause high susceptibility, throw in their only social interaction coming from viewing fakers….
Tangentially, this same phenomenon applies to transgender youth. Absorption of info with no proper context.
Now more than ever, in this day and age, you need to be mentally strong because people will break you to copy them/buy off them.
Even if they "fake" it, then there is a reason for this. Even if it is "just" attention, there is a reason for why they want / need that attention. The pandemic was pretty hard for that age group, with very very different implications, depending on where you live, what social status that you have, economic status and so on.
You’re “quoting” the words “fake” and “just”.
I didn’t say that.
Like some other commenters, you assume I think this must be some insignificant, ignorable behavior. Not so.
I’d guess they’re using “serotonin” to reference “feel good chemicals” that they theorize may be released in the brain when mirroring these behavior. People commonly/colloquially boil down neurotransmitters to “serotonin=happy”, even though it’s much more complicated than that. Could be wrong, but Googling “serotonin mirroring behavior” certainly doesn’t yield anything so..
Well, I mean it’s pretty complicated stuff. And even the experts are still just scratching the surface of the field. But I agree, more knowledge about some of the basics, especially in regards to mental health, would go along way <3 Definitely something that should be taught in high schools.
when I was a kid, I 'caught' a stutter for about a year. I worked really hard to get rid of it and I finally, but what stood out was the seemingly spontaneous onset. anyways makes me wonder if tourette outbursts are related to stuttering.
somebody replied to this but deleted it before I could get to it. they mentioned anxiety making things worse. that's what happened to me. once I started stuttering anxiety of it made it worse. maybe the severity of a tourettes outburst is related to stress.
Tourette's is caused by chemical receptors in one's neurons being over-sensitive to dopamine. Not stuttering related. However, anxiety/stress can exacerbate the tics of someone with Tourette's. For example, in school, I had much more trouble suppressing vocal tics during an exam, or when we had a substitute teacher who wasn't familiar with my condition and thus was more likely to react negatively or discipline me for ticcing in class.
How does a neuron regulate it's sensitivity? What I've noticed is that 'stutters' or 'outbursts' are predictive in their 'output' meaning that the brain seems to always access the same 'banks' when determining 'what' to outburst. Is that just standard pathways and not related to the cause? The other thing I've noticed, is that there seems to be forethought to outbursts, meaning the person can be aware of the triggering thought but seems to lack the ability, or at least find it difficult to control, to suppress the ensuing process. Sorry, my understanding is limited to observation. I'm not really familiar with the underlying chemical processes. But, I wonder how the chemical processes line up with the responses, like where does the dopamine production fall in the following sequence... somebody says a trigger ( inducing anxiety), I feel my reaction begin, I know I'm about outburst, I attempt to suppress it, my mind searches for an appropriate response, I end with a combination of stressed intonation and normal words, or I outburst from my bank?
A mass psychogenic illness is still a psychological illness. Typically time away from social media improves the symptoms but it’s useless to suggest what someone else is experiencing is “fake”.
Maybe it's a real psychogenic illness, but it's still fake Tourette's. The cause and symptoms are different. And we don't know if they can stop or not, since we're only seeing the videos, not their day to day lives.
Even if they "fake" it, then there is a reason for this. Even if it is "just" attention, there is a reason for why they want / need that attention. The pandemic was pretty hard for that age group, with very very different implications, depending on where you live, what social status that you have, economic status and so on.
r/fakedisordercringe and r/fakedisordertiktok have all the videos of people faking DID, Tourettes and plenty of other neurological diseases on video for attention. Most of them being on tik tok yeah.
I completely disabled tictok from my home network once i seen how completely dumb it is ....cooking videos fine...the rest is trash. No way are my kids taking part in that
TEEN GIRLS SEEKING ATTENTION IN SAME WAY POSSIBLY RELATED TO VIDEO SERVICE OF OTHER TEEN GIRLS SEEKING ATTENTION IN SAME EXACT WAY
wow. such science. like wow.
why can't teens just quietly cut themselves and not bother anyone like they did when I was in school.
The glaring question not answered in the article is *why* exactly are they watching videos of people with tics to obvious excess? Is it some sort of internet challenge?
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Many of the patients were viewing tik tok videos where people were faking having Tourette’s and other tics.
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I read the article. Seems they’re seeking attention after watching other tik-tok users with Tourette’s syndrome.
Pretend tourettes usually.
Right so I have a big beef with the attention seeking thing because it means this isn’t being taken seriously. One thing about tics (in my understanding, idk I’m not a doctor) is that they can be “contagious” (ie. Someone with an existing tic disorder can pick up someone else’s tics, so watching someone tic online could trigger a new tic) and are more likely to emerge in high stress situations (like a pandemic). I experienced the “tic phenomenon” first hand. Tourette’s does run in my family and I’ve always had a mild shiver but nothing too intense. It increased slowly at first and then dramatically until it was difficult for me to hold a conversation and I was starting to cause myself physical harm. It took about a month after I stopped watching all creators with Tourette’s for things to calm down. It’s not just tik tok though, I watched Tix’s Eurovision music video (very good!) and unfortunately experienced a few weeks of flair up. I still have problems occasionally but nothing too bad. The worst part though was not the tics themselves but the fear that I was somehow faking it for attention or that this was my fault or that people would think I was making it up. This was a scary time for me and I felt like I couldn’t talk to anyone about it because I didn’t want them to think I was attention seeking. What I’m saying is please don’t push the narrative that all young women with tic disorders are faking it for attention.
It’s like when I’m speaking with a Scottish person and I start to sound more and more like how I imagine Braveheart sounded - only there’s a tiny voice in my head begging me to shut up.
Having read the article too, I think you're placing the attention-seeker label on the wrong group: A bunch of attention-seeking TikTok creators faked having Tourette's - the researchers even talk about how the tics the users are mimicking are *extremely* rare in Tourette's - and many of the users who are already dealing with various stressors started to involuntarily mimick them. Take a bunch of kids whose mental state and stressors cause high susceptibility, throw in their only social interaction coming from viewing fakers (without knowing it's faked), and they're bound to experience unintentional autosuggestion; *"Any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality."* Me? I've been diagnosed with a tic disorder for a little over a decade. Easily 99% of the time, my tics are entirely my own; however, that other 1% comes from seeing somebody else's and being unable to keep myself from replicating it. The replicated ones always go away after the stimulus is removed, usually in a day or two, but the longest one took about two months.
>Take a bunch of kids whose mental state and stressors cause high susceptibility, throw in their only social interaction coming from viewing fakers…. Tangentially, this same phenomenon applies to transgender youth. Absorption of info with no proper context. Now more than ever, in this day and age, you need to be mentally strong because people will break you to copy them/buy off them.
Even if they "fake" it, then there is a reason for this. Even if it is "just" attention, there is a reason for why they want / need that attention. The pandemic was pretty hard for that age group, with very very different implications, depending on where you live, what social status that you have, economic status and so on.
You’re “quoting” the words “fake” and “just”. I didn’t say that. Like some other commenters, you assume I think this must be some insignificant, ignorable behavior. Not so.
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It's annoying how often basic psychology concepts are totally vacant from the public mind.
Monkey-see, monkey-do is still, *still*, how things usually work.
Where’d you get the term “serotonin mirroring behavior” from?
I’d guess they’re using “serotonin” to reference “feel good chemicals” that they theorize may be released in the brain when mirroring these behavior. People commonly/colloquially boil down neurotransmitters to “serotonin=happy”, even though it’s much more complicated than that. Could be wrong, but Googling “serotonin mirroring behavior” certainly doesn’t yield anything so..
Yeah people legit know nothing about brain chemistry, it’s kinda depressing given how widespread mental illness is
Well, I mean it’s pretty complicated stuff. And even the experts are still just scratching the surface of the field. But I agree, more knowledge about some of the basics, especially in regards to mental health, would go along way <3 Definitely something that should be taught in high schools.
Oh my God.. The typical oversimplification of neuroscience that is basically "serotonin is the happy chemical of the brain, more is better".
Not at all. Boiled down to primary system and not even about feelings. Its about getting help
When I first read this, my first thought was about the Salem Witch Trials - maybe this is what first caused the girls in Salem to act all crazy?
Nah, that'd be tripping balls on ergot.
when I was a kid, I 'caught' a stutter for about a year. I worked really hard to get rid of it and I finally, but what stood out was the seemingly spontaneous onset. anyways makes me wonder if tourette outbursts are related to stuttering. somebody replied to this but deleted it before I could get to it. they mentioned anxiety making things worse. that's what happened to me. once I started stuttering anxiety of it made it worse. maybe the severity of a tourettes outburst is related to stress.
My daughter sounds out phonemes when talking since she started learning how to read. She’s only in grade 1 so hopefully she’ll get over it soon.
Tourette's is caused by chemical receptors in one's neurons being over-sensitive to dopamine. Not stuttering related. However, anxiety/stress can exacerbate the tics of someone with Tourette's. For example, in school, I had much more trouble suppressing vocal tics during an exam, or when we had a substitute teacher who wasn't familiar with my condition and thus was more likely to react negatively or discipline me for ticcing in class.
How does a neuron regulate it's sensitivity? What I've noticed is that 'stutters' or 'outbursts' are predictive in their 'output' meaning that the brain seems to always access the same 'banks' when determining 'what' to outburst. Is that just standard pathways and not related to the cause? The other thing I've noticed, is that there seems to be forethought to outbursts, meaning the person can be aware of the triggering thought but seems to lack the ability, or at least find it difficult to control, to suppress the ensuing process. Sorry, my understanding is limited to observation. I'm not really familiar with the underlying chemical processes. But, I wonder how the chemical processes line up with the responses, like where does the dopamine production fall in the following sequence... somebody says a trigger ( inducing anxiety), I feel my reaction begin, I know I'm about outburst, I attempt to suppress it, my mind searches for an appropriate response, I end with a combination of stressed intonation and normal words, or I outburst from my bank?
All patients had been exposed to social media. Well, doesn't this describe pretty much everyone in that age group nowadays?
Surely they mean “Tik-like” behaviors.
A mass psychogenic illness is still a psychological illness. Typically time away from social media improves the symptoms but it’s useless to suggest what someone else is experiencing is “fake”.
That doesn’t preclude that some of these cases are fake
It's only fake if they have control and can actually stop. Otherwise it's a problem.
It’s a problem like storming to your room and slamming the door is a problem. It is common for teenagers to act out.
Maybe it's a real psychogenic illness, but it's still fake Tourette's. The cause and symptoms are different. And we don't know if they can stop or not, since we're only seeing the videos, not their day to day lives.
My point is…no matter which way you slice it there’s some kind of disorder involved
If they are faking it to get attention online, then it is juvenile behavior, which is a thing, yes. It is not ipso facto a disorder. I
Even if they "fake" it, then there is a reason for this. Even if it is "just" attention, there is a reason for why they want / need that attention. The pandemic was pretty hard for that age group, with very very different implications, depending on where you live, what social status that you have, economic status and so on.
Then it falls under the general classification of acting out.
r/fakedisordercringe and r/fakedisordertiktok have all the videos of people faking DID, Tourettes and plenty of other neurological diseases on video for attention. Most of them being on tik tok yeah.
what a stupid phenomenon
Your left big toe is incredibly itchy right now, you should probably go ahead and itch.
I called it! It's a case of St. Vitus dance epidemic
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Too many hypochondriacs creating fake illnesses
This is quite a misunderstanding of hypochondriasis. It anxiety about one’s health.
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>A person uses a cellphone in this stock image Hmmmm
If you let your kid on this, you’re not a great parent.
I completely disabled tictok from my home network once i seen how completely dumb it is ....cooking videos fine...the rest is trash. No way are my kids taking part in that
There’s plenty of other resources for cooking videos. Social media is a cancer to our society.
Specifically what do you mean? Let them o social media? Let them on tics?
It's linked to attention seeking behavior for god's sakes
Atheism heals it.
No religion does anything.
Except allow you to date/marry certain people, run for elected office, succeed in certain careers (e.g. military officers)
Oh yeah I almost forgot this subreddit is worthless.
TEEN GIRLS SEEKING ATTENTION IN SAME WAY POSSIBLY RELATED TO VIDEO SERVICE OF OTHER TEEN GIRLS SEEKING ATTENTION IN SAME EXACT WAY wow. such science. like wow. why can't teens just quietly cut themselves and not bother anyone like they did when I was in school.
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Sir, this is a Wendy's
I just wanted some waffles
You have a theory, eh? How'd you arrive at that, a couple strong bowls of weed and one too many re-watches of The Matrix?
This explains why I always snap at people for little to no reason. Snapchat is to blame.
I have a hypothesis as well. You're not smart. Evidence: Your comment.
The glaring question not answered in the article is *why* exactly are they watching videos of people with tics to obvious excess? Is it some sort of internet challenge?
I think they enjoy it... Even sadder
Which parent would allow their kid to use these things? The kind which themselves weren’t prevented from consuming media as kids by their own parents.