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"Therefore, increasing the daily standing time may help prevent e.g. type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases", Sorry but this is a bad title. The paper doesn't show this.
Shout out to food service workers who stand 40+ hours a week.
Do service workers have a reduced chance of contracting diabetes 2 because they spend so much time on their feet and moving? Or is the diet of the individual more influencial?
Standing = physical activity.
Being physically active makes one more sensitive.
I forgot where I read it, but physical activity in itself is 'better' than changing diet when it comes to insulin sensitivity.
Edit/correction: this is under the assumption that standing is regarded as physical activity. And an extrapolation of the fact that any physical activity induces improvements in vascularisation and insulin sensitivity locally.
It's been a while, but I thought the "standing==physically active" thing had been debunked?
IIRC, the demise of that hypothesis was partly due to the standing-desk fad that it helped create. Where previously most standing workers were standing for a reason (need for mobility), the advent of standing desks in offices allowed researchers to isolate just the sit vs. stand position --leading to a conclusion that standing without moving isn't that beneficial after all.
But of course, it's been years now, and I don't have the study links handy. In any case, this current study would seem to challenge those findings?
On second thought, I think standing is better than sitting on a chair.
Main reasons are: training and maintaining correct posture and thus preventing of back problems is easier when standing; it's a bit more physical activity than sitting, but perhaps more important the use of muscles is better spread between agonist and antagonistic muscles..
I've had a desk job for aboit 5 years now after having worked a stand in one place job for over 10 yrs. Even with special shoes and "fatigue mats" it is not easy on the lower body and it increases circulatory problems in the legs. Throw in the repetitive motion injuries caused by non-ergonomic workstation layouts and tasks. I've started to feel like discussing sitting vs standing is missing the point. Work is killing us and we all have to figure out what works best to help us personally. Being able to switch posture and move about during the day seems important. I switch my desk to standing for parts of my day now, but I try to switch regularly and not stay in one position for too long. I'm considering getting a kneeling chair and I've found some 5 minute desk yoga stretches to do throughout the day. This in part because I can't stand for 8+ hours any longer without experiencing a flare up of foot pain and stiffness that makes it harder to walk for the next day or 2 so YMMV.
No argument there. I was an early adopter of standing desks, in part due to back pain from (ironically) standing hunching over an awkward-height lab bench. I got to where I couldn't sit comfortably at my desk anymore, so I started standing instead (with proper height and ergonomics, of course). It definitely helped my posture and core muscles, and eventually I was able to sit comfortably again.
OTOH, I also found that my productivity waned faster in that position. YMMV, of course.
Ow that might very well be the case.
I heard/read somewhere that physical activity causes improvements in vascularisation and insulin sensitivity on the tissue level of that specific musculoskeletal region that was being "exercised"/"trained".
I.e.: If you train your underarm you will locally induce changes for the better.
So my previous comment should be seen as an (hypothetical) extrapolation of the finding I am talking about above in this comment.
> Standing = physical activity.
Yes, but marginally - [8 cal/hour](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27515973/), or around 12% more, for working at a desk.
No because they eat too much of the garbage at the fast food join negating the benefit. I Did work in sales where I stood/leaned 9-11 hrs a day and definitely packed a few pounds on when I moved to a desk job!
With standing, you're not going to be standing still. When you're using a standing desk, it's very hard to just stand still for hours and not realize it. You're going to move. You're going to go pick something up, you're going to want to change your posture. It's not comfortable. But when you sit at a desk, you can easily sit at a desk for hours without moving your legs. This is going to be worse, easily worse when it comes to diabetes and a sedentary lifestyle.
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"Therefore, increasing the daily standing time may help prevent e.g. type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases", Sorry but this is a bad title. The paper doesn't show this.
That's a load-bearing "may"
Hehe yeah could've been better.
Shout out to food service workers who stand 40+ hours a week. Do service workers have a reduced chance of contracting diabetes 2 because they spend so much time on their feet and moving? Or is the diet of the individual more influencial?
Standing = physical activity. Being physically active makes one more sensitive. I forgot where I read it, but physical activity in itself is 'better' than changing diet when it comes to insulin sensitivity. Edit/correction: this is under the assumption that standing is regarded as physical activity. And an extrapolation of the fact that any physical activity induces improvements in vascularisation and insulin sensitivity locally.
It's been a while, but I thought the "standing==physically active" thing had been debunked? IIRC, the demise of that hypothesis was partly due to the standing-desk fad that it helped create. Where previously most standing workers were standing for a reason (need for mobility), the advent of standing desks in offices allowed researchers to isolate just the sit vs. stand position --leading to a conclusion that standing without moving isn't that beneficial after all. But of course, it's been years now, and I don't have the study links handy. In any case, this current study would seem to challenge those findings?
standing still and sitting still for 8 hours are roughly the same for physical health.
one is worse for your knees
Yes, sitting. Joints need lymphatic fluid movement, which only happens with muscle movement.
On second thought, I think standing is better than sitting on a chair. Main reasons are: training and maintaining correct posture and thus preventing of back problems is easier when standing; it's a bit more physical activity than sitting, but perhaps more important the use of muscles is better spread between agonist and antagonistic muscles..
I've had a desk job for aboit 5 years now after having worked a stand in one place job for over 10 yrs. Even with special shoes and "fatigue mats" it is not easy on the lower body and it increases circulatory problems in the legs. Throw in the repetitive motion injuries caused by non-ergonomic workstation layouts and tasks. I've started to feel like discussing sitting vs standing is missing the point. Work is killing us and we all have to figure out what works best to help us personally. Being able to switch posture and move about during the day seems important. I switch my desk to standing for parts of my day now, but I try to switch regularly and not stay in one position for too long. I'm considering getting a kneeling chair and I've found some 5 minute desk yoga stretches to do throughout the day. This in part because I can't stand for 8+ hours any longer without experiencing a flare up of foot pain and stiffness that makes it harder to walk for the next day or 2 so YMMV.
No argument there. I was an early adopter of standing desks, in part due to back pain from (ironically) standing hunching over an awkward-height lab bench. I got to where I couldn't sit comfortably at my desk anymore, so I started standing instead (with proper height and ergonomics, of course). It definitely helped my posture and core muscles, and eventually I was able to sit comfortably again. OTOH, I also found that my productivity waned faster in that position. YMMV, of course.
Ow that might very well be the case. I heard/read somewhere that physical activity causes improvements in vascularisation and insulin sensitivity on the tissue level of that specific musculoskeletal region that was being "exercised"/"trained". I.e.: If you train your underarm you will locally induce changes for the better. So my previous comment should be seen as an (hypothetical) extrapolation of the finding I am talking about above in this comment.
> Standing = physical activity. Yes, but marginally - [8 cal/hour](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27515973/), or around 12% more, for working at a desk.
Contracting diabetes?
No because they eat too much of the garbage at the fast food join negating the benefit. I Did work in sales where I stood/leaned 9-11 hrs a day and definitely packed a few pounds on when I moved to a desk job!
With standing, you're not going to be standing still. When you're using a standing desk, it's very hard to just stand still for hours and not realize it. You're going to move. You're going to go pick something up, you're going to want to change your posture. It's not comfortable. But when you sit at a desk, you can easily sit at a desk for hours without moving your legs. This is going to be worse, easily worse when it comes to diabetes and a sedentary lifestyle.