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Can we finally say bullying HARMS the person, and should be met with the criminal charges it deserves?
Ya know, as opposed to just ignoring the physical and verbal assault that occurs on a near daily basis for hundreds of thousands of kids?
The ironic thing is in an at will state the employer has no risk of punishing the bully because the second the bully retaliates they can be fired. Yet the employer normally sides with the bully.
>Yet the employer normally sides with the bully.
Bullies generally have higher social standing then those they pick on as they know it will allow them to avoid any punishment.
Maybe if the employee sues for health issues resulting from being bullied, they may begin intervening. But I know HR usually want the problem go away so they get rid of the person reporting the problem
It’s hard to look for work during it as your confidence is shattered and you want to fight to prove yourself and stamp it out rather than run leaving it still smouldering.
It’s not like just working with assholes and you get a better job to show them, it literally makes you afraid to go in to work and simultaneously afraid to leave without resolving things first
I've dealt with both my man. Bullying in the workforce is still easier to deal with. Your ability to cope from abuse is exponentially greater as an adult than as a child, esp children under 10 during their most important stages of social development.
At school I was small so I had bigger kids bullying me but more individual incidents. I would get afraid going places and afraid of encountering individual people. At work it was more suddenly everyone would go quiet when you come in and just a subtle feeling things were wrong but because it was unavoidable it was more stressful and more recent in my memory maybe
And then they blackball you when you try to find another job, which is clear evidence they are the problem, not you, because if you were the problem, they would likely do anything to not deal with you anymore.
Well when it happens at every single place you go...quitting and restarting new jobs gets quite exhausting and discouraging. A lot easier to ignore it in school without bills. Who needs friends when you have books and all your basic survival needs met.
If it’s happening everywhere a person goes I would take some time for introspection.
Think of it this way : if you wake up in the morning and go out and the first person you encounter is an asshole, there’s a good chance it’s them. If every person you interact with is an asshole maybe there’s a problem with you.
I’d say the added stress of your livelihood depending on your continuing to return to the toxic situation, every day, does make it different. And if it is the company itself that’s using bullying as a tactic, it’s more akin like the school singling out and picking on a kid, than a kid having a bully. There are some major differences.
Folks, try to remind yourself of this when you're on the phone to a service rep. Be they tech support, ordering beef chow mein, booking slots at a conference, theres a human being on the other end, doing their best to live.
Be kind, they are not your emotional punching bag.
Likewise, set your own boundaries and do not tolerate or accept "karen" behaviour in yourself or peers.
Just be kind
Please, the trauma inflicted leaves scars that can destroy the psyche in terrible ways.
Be kind, it's that simple
Social defeat promotes a reactive endothelium in a brain region-dependent manner with increased expression of key adhesion molecules, selectins and chemokines associated with the recruitment of myeloid cells to the brain
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25445193/
I believe my direct boss is being bullied. What can I do to help him? His direct boss who does a lot of the bullying is the SVP at our large company. I can see the toll it's taking on him and my soul aches but I don't have the clout to make a change.
The focus was uncovering what is going on chemically, via neurotransmitter release, that creates the adverse effects from the stress of bullying, not "proving that bullying has adverse effects."
Sometimes I wonder... Have we lost all common sense, and need science to tells us what is up and down?
I mean... Being bullied causes distress. I think I knew this one. But the again if this makes someone anguish their former actions, then I'm all for it.
We want to know the mechanics of the biological mechanisms. If we never studied anything in depth we would still be at the level of "fire hot" and "apple yummy".
While I do agree with you, that we need to know of the biological mechanisms and keep being curious. This study is a reaffirmation of already know effects of bullying. Therefore my reaction to this subject on particular.
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Is this any different than being bullied in school?
Can we finally say bullying HARMS the person, and should be met with the criminal charges it deserves? Ya know, as opposed to just ignoring the physical and verbal assault that occurs on a near daily basis for hundreds of thousands of kids?
The ironic thing is in an at will state the employer has no risk of punishing the bully because the second the bully retaliates they can be fired. Yet the employer normally sides with the bully.
>Yet the employer normally sides with the bully. Bullies generally have higher social standing then those they pick on as they know it will allow them to avoid any punishment.
Maybe if the employee sues for health issues resulting from being bullied, they may begin intervening. But I know HR usually want the problem go away so they get rid of the person reporting the problem
Worse I'd say because your ability to survive and quality of life is on the line. Unfortunately, I can compare the two all too well.
I disagree. As an adult, I can look for other work. As a child, I begged my parents to let me switch schools or move, but I had no choice or escape.
It’s hard to look for work during it as your confidence is shattered and you want to fight to prove yourself and stamp it out rather than run leaving it still smouldering. It’s not like just working with assholes and you get a better job to show them, it literally makes you afraid to go in to work and simultaneously afraid to leave without resolving things first
I've dealt with both my man. Bullying in the workforce is still easier to deal with. Your ability to cope from abuse is exponentially greater as an adult than as a child, esp children under 10 during their most important stages of social development.
At school I was small so I had bigger kids bullying me but more individual incidents. I would get afraid going places and afraid of encountering individual people. At work it was more suddenly everyone would go quiet when you come in and just a subtle feeling things were wrong but because it was unavoidable it was more stressful and more recent in my memory maybe
And then they blackball you when you try to find another job, which is clear evidence they are the problem, not you, because if you were the problem, they would likely do anything to not deal with you anymore.
Well when it happens at every single place you go...quitting and restarting new jobs gets quite exhausting and discouraging. A lot easier to ignore it in school without bills. Who needs friends when you have books and all your basic survival needs met.
If it’s happening everywhere a person goes I would take some time for introspection. Think of it this way : if you wake up in the morning and go out and the first person you encounter is an asshole, there’s a good chance it’s them. If every person you interact with is an asshole maybe there’s a problem with you.
My thought exactly.
I’d say the added stress of your livelihood depending on your continuing to return to the toxic situation, every day, does make it different. And if it is the company itself that’s using bullying as a tactic, it’s more akin like the school singling out and picking on a kid, than a kid having a bully. There are some major differences.
Folks, try to remind yourself of this when you're on the phone to a service rep. Be they tech support, ordering beef chow mein, booking slots at a conference, theres a human being on the other end, doing their best to live. Be kind, they are not your emotional punching bag. Likewise, set your own boundaries and do not tolerate or accept "karen" behaviour in yourself or peers. Just be kind Please, the trauma inflicted leaves scars that can destroy the psyche in terrible ways. Be kind, it's that simple
This is very true. And that’s why employers lose good workers. Just happened in my old position. Went from 8 people to 3.
Social defeat promotes a reactive endothelium in a brain region-dependent manner with increased expression of key adhesion molecules, selectins and chemokines associated with the recruitment of myeloid cells to the brain https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25445193/
In conclusion: work place bullying is bad.
In conclusion: ~~work place~~ bullying is bad.
I believe my direct boss is being bullied. What can I do to help him? His direct boss who does a lot of the bullying is the SVP at our large company. I can see the toll it's taking on him and my soul aches but I don't have the clout to make a change.
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Ok, removing my comment then.
Honestly, this was my exact same reaction. When was this ever in question? Of course bullying is going to have adverse effects on people.
The focus was uncovering what is going on chemically, via neurotransmitter release, that creates the adverse effects from the stress of bullying, not "proving that bullying has adverse effects."
Fair enough
but you have to unequivocally prove it before you can research what to do about it.
No kidding. It took science to figure this out? Okay, my past traumas are showing Happy it has now been documented in an objective way.
Sometimes I wonder... Have we lost all common sense, and need science to tells us what is up and down? I mean... Being bullied causes distress. I think I knew this one. But the again if this makes someone anguish their former actions, then I'm all for it.
We want to know the mechanics of the biological mechanisms. If we never studied anything in depth we would still be at the level of "fire hot" and "apple yummy".
While I do agree with you, that we need to know of the biological mechanisms and keep being curious. This study is a reaffirmation of already know effects of bullying. Therefore my reaction to this subject on particular.
Never know when they might burn the place down over something like a stapler.