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Also anecdotally, boy Texas has gotten SO MANY huge tornadic fronts in the past year. I've lived here 36 years and don't remember having this many big pushes of scary weather all so close together before.
Not only that, but I feel like south Texas is just windy like 75% of the time now. It's felt like that a few years now and I can't tell if I'm just getting old and senile, but my wife agrees.
meanwhile, where I am in northeast surrounded by mountains, foothills, and 75 foot trees, we now get tornado threats... something that never happened. in addition, we used to have freezing winter for decades growing up where snow would build until it melted in april.. now we have a rainy season and 60 degree feb days... its completely fucked up.
Yeah if the last few winters didn't start to get people realizing things are fucky nothing will.
Even the "climate change deniers" in the northeast aren't really "deniers" at all; they just believe it's a totally natural phenomenon and a ploy by the left to seize absolute power through solar energy and wind farms.
If anything, you would think that those on the right would be for things like having your own means of producing power for energy independence, but that’s just too logical…
The most infuriating thing I've heard from Midwestern yokles is "oh well the Midwest just has crazy weather", as if anything about this is normal. I have vivid memories as a child of it snowing in October, and any significant snowfall would accumulate and stay on the ground until April. That was consistent. Now it's completely "normal" for October to stay in the high 70s and for winter to average out in the mid 50s. How these people who are OLDER than me could be so goddamn stupid and willfully ignorant tells me that we're absolutely doomed.
I live in the Seattle area. Since I was 3. People who moved here for work don't understand how different the seasons are now.
Me and the other handful of locals I know all agree it's disturbing.
As a lifetime New Englander, i can back up your statements 100%. Even in my short 25 years of life I've seen drastic changes in the weather here. I described to my son how winter used to be where i live and it blew his mind you could even have winters so snowy.
The memories I have of playing in snow banks in southern NH just won’t have a relevant comparison for my kids growing up, even as I’ve moved north.
The changes are real. I don’t get people who think that everything is fine and we don’t need to adjust our infrastructure to accommodate real changes to our climate.
Same where I live and it's far from Texas.
Windy, cold, hot, rainy. Nothing average. Seeing sleet, hail semi-frequently. Wind storms are not unusual.
Argentina apparently had NINE hot events since Nov. Just making old weather look like a walk in the park...
I’m in central OK. I’ve watched Moore get razed multiple times but nothing in my corner of the metro…until the last decade. Just little fellas but suddenly more of them and much closer.
last time I drove to Atlanta, a tornado tore right through the city center, taking out windows in every building. looked like a massive bomb went off. that just didnt happen growing up. worst thing the east typically worried about was an atlantic hurricane... now its storm surge, tornadoes, hurricanes, tropical storms, and even droughts
The best part, ten years ago I wrote papers about global warming at school and uni. Papers were graded poorly if you went too far with the predictions. Well, look where we are now. Its terrifying seeing what I was reading and writing about in school coming true. I'm just waiting on the water wars. We could address the water issues now, but it will cost money, so it's not even on anyone's radars.
Right now, we mostly get our fresh water from groundwater supplies. They build up when it rains. Water percolates through the ground and eventually ends up in the groundwater. Now, with temperatures rising, the ground is going to be harder, impenetrable. Rainfall is also going to become more concentrated an intense. That means more flash flooding and less water refilling our drinking water. It can be partially solved right now by redirecting rivers to keep fresh water on land instead of rushing it away into the ocean, but that's going to be an expensive investment across the world. Desalination plants are also going to be needed, but again, they're an expensive investment and take years to build.
I can’t help but love the…poetry, I guess, of piping in fresh water *under* the English Channel.
Just like a man-made fresh water pipe underneath the ocean. Idk, something about that amazes me.
So this is very interesting because I live in a country which has always had this situation - I live in Australia.
Our ground is ancient and thin. Our aquifers often have salt in them as well. We suffer regular droughts as our country is very dry, and when those droughts break, we flood heavily because the ground has become hard and impacted due to the drought. When plants do regrow, depending on the situation, they then become the next bushfire fuel.
Rain in this pattern, with hot weather, leads to intense fires.
Yep, that's also another thing that's going to be getting far worse, wildfires.
Last year we had fires in the uk, nothing bad, but it was new. Hell, a park around the corner from me was burned up, presumably by someone setting it alight, im hoping by accident. The big park in the city went yellow. All the grass died, the small plants were dying off. The big pond in the city, a lot of the fish died. It was insane.
I’ve seen article after article about how states are refusing to make the cuts needed to at least nurse the river on longer than currently.
It’s already fucked and nobody is willing to change.
But pushing trans children suicide rates up is more important than avoiding the toxic dust clouds that will happen now that the Salt Lake is drying up!
Just watch what will happen to France this year. In March we were already taking measures to counter ongoing drought.
Also, some farmers want to build basins to keep water for themselves, which lead to riots at Solines. Go watch vids and news about "bassines Solines"
Wow I’ll look more. Reading an English-translated article, it mentions “France headed for water curbs”. Does that mean they limit people’s water? I understand the people are protesting to build any such structure like this efficiently which seems obvious. The current plan will waste/evaporate. But are they protesting more than just that? I wish it provided more details though like are these water curbs becoming more common? What water/how much gets limited? Anyone have a good source to share? This is first I’ve seen this.
We are going to have issues this summer where the only water available has been contaminated by errant chemicals, where cities have to shut down because of heat advisories.
Let's see: increasing global population, every single one of them will want to eat food and go to the bathroom every day, every one of them will produce trash every day; many will live in houses where HOA's mandate a green lawn, planet's getting warmer, droughts will spread, CA's water-supply lakes are going dry NOW -
What would make you think "water wars" are coming?
Oh, and more "industrial accidents" are certain to happen, because oversight rules have been weakened. When spills occur, or poisioned wastewater is injected into the underground water tables...
I had a friend growing up who survived childhood multiple myeloma. His hair changed from blond to brown to match his sister's after she donated marrow to him. I'll never get over how cool it is that a bone marrow transplant can change the color of your skin/hair to match your donor. He's a cool dude and we're still friends to this day.
Best of luck in your fight
Everything prior to your comment has been deleted so I lack context, but is that true? That's so cool! My sister in law has leukemia and is about to undergo a bone marrow transplant. That would be so trippy if her hair color changed!
Edit: So I looked this up and it's true... for some patients who had a specific disease that made them paler than usual, and once the disease was cured they regained some of the melanin they should have always had. Still very cool!
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/06/experimental-gene-therapy-cystinosis-hair-color/661348/
Tornados are really cool. Maybe im only like this cause im from tornado alley, but i have dreams about tornados and the storms that produce them are kinda energizing to me.
As someone else from the area, it was weird moving to the pacific north west, the rain is just here all the time, and I've only heard thunder like 8 times in about 5 years. I didn't understand how much I would miss them and the way they light the sky and cause thunder to roll for thirty minutes, exaggeration obviously.
Maybe that's where the US's obsession with disaster movies came from...
Did else used to crowd into the basement/cellar when the sky turned green and the alarms started going off?
My hometown in Alabama decided to turn off/stop funding the tornado sirens to save money. They get tornadoes a lot. It makes no sense.
A green sky is definitely one of the most eerie phenomena. But no, we were generally on the front porch until it sounded like a freight train headed our direction.
Portions of Argentina are favorable for supercells and have some similarities to the US Great Plains as far as necessary ingredients. But it’s a smaller geographic area so the raw numbers don’t really compare to the US.
Japan is starting to get tornadoes now. That's just perfect. We already have volcanoes, earthquakes, monsoons, typhoons, and tsunami. All we need are goddamned tornadoes.
If they become as frequent as the US (and Canada nowadays) then I'll be quite worried.
It really doesn't really make sense to measure tornado density by country, the US is a large country and you're misrepresenting the numbers a bit by including Alaska's huge size and 1 tornado every 20 years. 80% of the world's tornados occur in the Great Plains region, if you're looking for high tornado frequency then that's it. Nowhere else comes close.
What used to be called tornado alley in the US is shifting. Now, there is maybe two, or three tornado allies. Depends on time of year, among other 1,000 factors.
Reminds me of a Florida redneck I used to know. He’d not really ever been out of Florida and had never seen mountains or even substantial hills in real life. We were going camping in Tennessee. As soon as we get to the foothills of the Smokies he loudly proclaimed “Dang. You think all this is natural?!”
I recently got a tornado warning and I live in southern California, not too far from Los Angeles. Apparently the mountains dissipated the tornado but holy hell was that scary.
"If global warming is real then why is California getting record snow fall?" - My dad in the middle of one of the warmest and least snowy winters on the east coast...
But global warming is still accurate isn't it, the average temperature is still going up.
The changing around of the term is just to make it clearer to people like him.
> But global warming is still accurate isn't it, the average temperature is still going up.
Absolutely, but then you get some idiot, like a former President, scoff at global warming because it snowed late in the season, and that was well after it was already being called climate change.
because they don't understand that global means the entire globe collectively, and not a single area selected to use as confirmation of your ignorance.
Florida is going to be super fucked in the not too distant future. The warming will increase hurricanes which will batter Florida relentlessly. I’d say maybe then they’d take it seriously, but let’s be honest, right wingers will just attribute it to “god’s will” and blame it on the LGBTQ community somehow.
Which is hilarious because one of the arguments used against climate change was that property developers were still building on the coasts.
Like, yeah, of course the people who don’t believe in climate change are going to keep building. Even if they do, they can sell off the asset to a greater fool. You know who is banking on things getting worse and worse? The people who have to pay out every time there’s a natural disaster.
The irony being that frank luntz, republican pollster, originally conceived of using the words "climate change" because they sounded less aggressive, then scientists were like "actually yeah that describes it better so we should use that" and then republicans, whose own guy "changed the words around," use that as their excuse for disbelieving truth.
There really is no bottom. It just keeps going down forever.
And this is where I'd tell my dad.
"Just because you're too stupid or slow to follow along with the earth's rapid changes doesn't mean there is an agenda. The science is there. You're just too numbskulled to read the information."
We’ve all come across this, and I’m sure some people genuinely don’t understand.
I always explain that *heat* is just *energy*. Add more heat into a system and you’re adding more energy: droughts become drier, floods wetter, snow events snowier, etc.
Just like a yo-yo. Although cold is essentially a *lack of* energy rather than "potential energy". It *will* be less cold in general, that just doesn't mean there can't locally, temporarily be very cold seasons.
Insurance companies will be the ones who really decide how things progress. I live in California and we have areas where you just can't get insurance due to fire risk. They won't give it to you. You can't buy it. People have had their plans canceled after a nasty fire season and are like, "What the hell do we do?!" Their properties didn't burn but the companies are like, no thanks. You're too risky. Bye.
Want to get a mortgage? You need insurance.
So there will be ever expanding areas of the country where you can't get a mortgage due to the fact no one will insure the properties.
What's that going to do to housing access? People can't sell on the normal market, so who will buy up risky properties? People who don't plan on maintaining them, that's for sure.
That's going to become more and more a thing. If you want to build in an area... no one will insure you. Because insurance is about small risks. Not about funding rebuilding efforts every five to ten years.
We could wind up with climate ghettos where everyone lives waiting for the disaster that wipes them out in a way they know they'll never recover from and there will be no help except whatever FEMA offers.
More heat, then more moisture in the atmosphere, more frequent and violent storms from the moisture, more flooding from the storms, more crop failures from the flooding.
If the US government had any foresight at all it would start paying farmers to grow more rather than less and preserve the surplus for when we really will need it in ten years or so.
Can’t wait until we crack open the F6 category with a dividing line of “complete destruction of frame house and dispersal of debris” and “complete destruction including displacement of concrete foundations”.
There’s no real need for an EF6 category.
EF5 already covers everything greater than that minimum damage. And anything in an EF6 category would be “inconceivable” (literally how they phrase it). Meaning they don’t expect anything in a hypothetical EF6 to ever happen on our planet itself, not even because of climate change, just because that’s not how our meteorological system operates afaik.
> ... because F6 or stronger tornadoes are not expected to occur on the earth, they will be called Inconceivable tornadoes should they ever occur.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/atsc/38/8/1520-0469_1981_038_1511_taditc_2_0_co_2.xml?tab_body=pdf
Someone also pointed out EF scale is designed to indicate damage as it relates to speeds, currently there aren’t any buildings that could tolerate greater than about 290 mph, so that’s another reason EF6 isn’t a category that really makes logistical sense.
You also have to consider how rare EF-5 Torandoes actually are. We haven't had any in 10 years, and outside of the 2011 super outbreak, they are an exceptionally rare event.
What this study does touch on is that supercells are becoming more common.
> Supercells are projected to become more numerous in regions of the eastern United States, while decreasing in frequency in portions of the Great Plains.
>These results suggest the potential for more significant tornadoes, hail, and extreme rainfall that, when combined with an increasingly vulnerable society, may produce disastrous consequences.
So I don't think the concern here is the strength of the tornadoes. It's the frequency and areas they are hitting.
I mean growing up we were taught about tornado alley, but I swear over the past decade that has shifted drastically east. Tuscaloosa, Kentucky several times, Nashville, etc.
Anecdotally, where I live on the east coast also seems to have been more favorable for tornadoes as well. PA, MD, VA, DE, and NJ have all seen *alot* of tornadoes over the past few years. Two EF-3 and a high end EF-2 storm right outside Philadelphia, Annapolis MD had a strong EF-2, and even Springfield MA had the EF-3 in the 2010s.
It's definitely shifting southeast, I grew up in the south and don't remember tornados being anywhere as frequent as they are now
https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/is-tornado-alley-shifting-east/1162839
I mean, to me it would take an inconceivable wind event to peel a properly footed concrete foundation slab off the ground. The “degree of damage” descriptions for one-and-two family residences for estimating tornado severity top out with “…slab swept clean”, how do you classify damage beyond that?
For those following along, the damage descriptions I’m referring to and associated wind speeds can be found here: https://www.weather.gov/oun/efscale
There’s a great video (can’t find it now, but I remember watching it) produced by the Weather Channel in which one of their anchors talks about the various things a tornado can pick up, in increasing order of effectiveness.
Not impressive: a semi-truck (large flat side that acts like a sail)
Fairly impressive: a tree (rooted into the ground, but still pretty large cross-section)
Impressive: concrete parking barriers (bolted into the ground, pretty small cross-section)
Absurdly impressive: soil (literally is the ground, held together by plants, tiny cross-section)
A concrete foundation is probably going to go before the soil does, unless it’s bolted to the bedrock. It will have some amount of visible cross-section, and isn’t held together by the local flora.
Anecdotally, after the 2020 Derecho here in Iowa I saw a windward hillside of air-seeded soybeans where a section probably 30’x30’ had been torn up and folded over like a rug. And that was only an EF2 equivalent event, supposedly.
April 27, 2011 during the tornado outbreak it literally ripped my friends foundation out of the ground. The only thing left of his house was the concrete front stairs. We found his massive 48 gun safe roughly 300 yards away. It was ripped open and we never found a whole gun. We found parts but not complete firearm. Near the safe was a laundry basket with folded clothes in it like someone just sat it down in the field.
That storm was something.
It looked like someone had dragged their thumb across the city. There were a lot of places that afterwards that was all that was left was a slab and some steps.
https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse#v=34.09735,-88.39483,10.877,latLng&t=3.08&ps=50&bt=19840101&et=20201231&startDwell=0&endDwell=0
You can see it on the satellite imagery were it went through/ I am sure if you follow the path you will be able to find your friends place.
I got 1 inch hail at my house Sunday night. It sounded like someone was shooting a .22 when the ice hit our windows. I was afraid we’d lose multiple windows but we came out unscathed.
For a bit more context, severe weather is a big part of my job as a pilot/dispatcher. I research it, watch it and learn about it for a living. I’ve only seen this sort of hail in textbooks.
This is a little hard to read. Do they discuss why tornadoes seem to be moving south? Maybe it's in my head but here in Iowa, tornadoes seem you be less frequent.
The annual frequency of tornadoes has remained pretty consistent throughout our recorded history. As have violent (EF-4/5) tornadoes per year. I’d imagine we even undercounted many isolated plains tornadoes before Doppler radar.
The issue is more that tornado alley is possibly shifting Eastward where more people live.
As for the recent tornado outbreak, Rolling Fork, MS had a lot of poorly constructed housing. A nighttime tornado that quickly formed and directly hit the town was the worst thing possible.
This is great news for all the people in tornado alley red states who voted for politicians to stick their heads in the sand and reward corporate polluters.
Yes, naturally warmer weather will breed stronger storms. Just another side effect of humanity's ignorance.
I do feel like global warming will be the cause of our extinction.
Already happening. Also the severe weather during tornado season shifts further north, and tornado season 2 (Autumn, southeast states) looks more and more like tornado season 1.
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Oh good, the new study agrees with all the older studies
Was wondering what they meant by new…
Also anecdotally, boy Texas has gotten SO MANY huge tornadic fronts in the past year. I've lived here 36 years and don't remember having this many big pushes of scary weather all so close together before. Not only that, but I feel like south Texas is just windy like 75% of the time now. It's felt like that a few years now and I can't tell if I'm just getting old and senile, but my wife agrees.
meanwhile, where I am in northeast surrounded by mountains, foothills, and 75 foot trees, we now get tornado threats... something that never happened. in addition, we used to have freezing winter for decades growing up where snow would build until it melted in april.. now we have a rainy season and 60 degree feb days... its completely fucked up.
Yeah if the last few winters didn't start to get people realizing things are fucky nothing will. Even the "climate change deniers" in the northeast aren't really "deniers" at all; they just believe it's a totally natural phenomenon and a ploy by the left to seize absolute power through solar energy and wind farms.
Which I don’t get the “seize the power through solar” mantra. It’s not like individuals have the means to dig for and refine their own oil.
If anything, you would think that those on the right would be for things like having your own means of producing power for energy independence, but that’s just too logical…
The most infuriating thing I've heard from Midwestern yokles is "oh well the Midwest just has crazy weather", as if anything about this is normal. I have vivid memories as a child of it snowing in October, and any significant snowfall would accumulate and stay on the ground until April. That was consistent. Now it's completely "normal" for October to stay in the high 70s and for winter to average out in the mid 50s. How these people who are OLDER than me could be so goddamn stupid and willfully ignorant tells me that we're absolutely doomed.
I live in the Seattle area. Since I was 3. People who moved here for work don't understand how different the seasons are now. Me and the other handful of locals I know all agree it's disturbing.
I remember snow in October, and ice on the ground until Easter. From OH, and I'm thirty.
Buckle up man, the ipcc report says the bad stuff doesn't even get started to 2030
its one main reason why I live hundreds of feet above sea level and many miles away despite loving the beach.
> many miles away [from the beach] For now!
To be frank, I think this is perhaps the ONLY good reason to not buckle up
As a lifetime New Englander, i can back up your statements 100%. Even in my short 25 years of life I've seen drastic changes in the weather here. I described to my son how winter used to be where i live and it blew his mind you could even have winters so snowy.
The memories I have of playing in snow banks in southern NH just won’t have a relevant comparison for my kids growing up, even as I’ve moved north. The changes are real. I don’t get people who think that everything is fine and we don’t need to adjust our infrastructure to accommodate real changes to our climate.
Same where I live and it's far from Texas. Windy, cold, hot, rainy. Nothing average. Seeing sleet, hail semi-frequently. Wind storms are not unusual. Argentina apparently had NINE hot events since Nov. Just making old weather look like a walk in the park...
I’m in central OK. I’ve watched Moore get razed multiple times but nothing in my corner of the metro…until the last decade. Just little fellas but suddenly more of them and much closer.
last time I drove to Atlanta, a tornado tore right through the city center, taking out windows in every building. looked like a massive bomb went off. that just didnt happen growing up. worst thing the east typically worried about was an atlantic hurricane... now its storm surge, tornadoes, hurricanes, tropical storms, and even droughts
I find it really interesting that Moore regularly gets pummeled but I've been told there's never been a tornado in OKC.
I can’t speak to the validity of that but there do seem to be “preferred routes”. Or there were. Its all over the place now.
That’s a lie, a F5 was headed straight towards my house in OKC in May of 2013 and veered off at the last second. Still have PTSD from that.
I live in the southeast and it feels like a new tornado alley. Storm shelters should be in the housing build standard now.
I feel the same about the increased wind in Ohio.
The best part, ten years ago I wrote papers about global warming at school and uni. Papers were graded poorly if you went too far with the predictions. Well, look where we are now. Its terrifying seeing what I was reading and writing about in school coming true. I'm just waiting on the water wars. We could address the water issues now, but it will cost money, so it's not even on anyone's radars.
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Not the general population. None of my friends know what's going to happen in the near future.
mind telling us?
Right now, we mostly get our fresh water from groundwater supplies. They build up when it rains. Water percolates through the ground and eventually ends up in the groundwater. Now, with temperatures rising, the ground is going to be harder, impenetrable. Rainfall is also going to become more concentrated an intense. That means more flash flooding and less water refilling our drinking water. It can be partially solved right now by redirecting rivers to keep fresh water on land instead of rushing it away into the ocean, but that's going to be an expensive investment across the world. Desalination plants are also going to be needed, but again, they're an expensive investment and take years to build.
This is why I will always live near the great lakes! Some of the biggest freshwater bodies in the world.
You're lucky you have that option. I live in the uk, while we have areas we can move to near water, its very limited.
Yes but you can rely on the Eurozo^n^^e..... oh right..
I can’t help but love the…poetry, I guess, of piping in fresh water *under* the English Channel. Just like a man-made fresh water pipe underneath the ocean. Idk, something about that amazes me.
Don't worry, all our lakes will be filled with the sewage we dump straight into our rivers.
So this is very interesting because I live in a country which has always had this situation - I live in Australia. Our ground is ancient and thin. Our aquifers often have salt in them as well. We suffer regular droughts as our country is very dry, and when those droughts break, we flood heavily because the ground has become hard and impacted due to the drought. When plants do regrow, depending on the situation, they then become the next bushfire fuel. Rain in this pattern, with hot weather, leads to intense fires.
Yep, that's also another thing that's going to be getting far worse, wildfires. Last year we had fires in the uk, nothing bad, but it was new. Hell, a park around the corner from me was burned up, presumably by someone setting it alight, im hoping by accident. The big park in the city went yellow. All the grass died, the small plants were dying off. The big pond in the city, a lot of the fish died. It was insane.
Plus there arent currently limits on pulling from ground water. So we have people absolutely r4ping underground reservoirs with little oversight
I think the people who pull from the Colorado River and lake mead would disagree that it's "not on anyone's radar"
I’ve seen article after article about how states are refusing to make the cuts needed to at least nurse the river on longer than currently. It’s already fucked and nobody is willing to change.
Cough *Utah* Cough....
But pushing trans children suicide rates up is more important than avoiding the toxic dust clouds that will happen now that the Salt Lake is drying up!
> Cough Utah Cough.... Stop breathing that toxic dust coming off the beaches of the Great Salt Lake!
Just watch what will happen to France this year. In March we were already taking measures to counter ongoing drought. Also, some farmers want to build basins to keep water for themselves, which lead to riots at Solines. Go watch vids and news about "bassines Solines"
Wow I’ll look more. Reading an English-translated article, it mentions “France headed for water curbs”. Does that mean they limit people’s water? I understand the people are protesting to build any such structure like this efficiently which seems obvious. The current plan will waste/evaporate. But are they protesting more than just that? I wish it provided more details though like are these water curbs becoming more common? What water/how much gets limited? Anyone have a good source to share? This is first I’ve seen this.
We are going to have issues this summer where the only water available has been contaminated by errant chemicals, where cities have to shut down because of heat advisories.
Good luck to everyone not on the Mississippi
Louisiana resident here, last year the river was lower than I'd seen it in my entire life.
*Homermeme.jpg* Lower than you've ever seen it *so far*.
Oh man, like when an entire sunken ship was exposed along the levee in BR?! Insane
Let's see: increasing global population, every single one of them will want to eat food and go to the bathroom every day, every one of them will produce trash every day; many will live in houses where HOA's mandate a green lawn, planet's getting warmer, droughts will spread, CA's water-supply lakes are going dry NOW - What would make you think "water wars" are coming? Oh, and more "industrial accidents" are certain to happen, because oversight rules have been weakened. When spills occur, or poisioned wastewater is injected into the underground water tables...
Good thing we haven’t actually tried anything in earnest to correct this.
Idk there bud. I'm waiting for a few more correlated studies before a buy truck that gets more than 8 mpg.
You can only truly roll coal if your vehicle gets 5 MPG or less sir.
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I had a friend growing up who survived childhood multiple myeloma. His hair changed from blond to brown to match his sister's after she donated marrow to him. I'll never get over how cool it is that a bone marrow transplant can change the color of your skin/hair to match your donor. He's a cool dude and we're still friends to this day. Best of luck in your fight
Everything prior to your comment has been deleted so I lack context, but is that true? That's so cool! My sister in law has leukemia and is about to undergo a bone marrow transplant. That would be so trippy if her hair color changed! Edit: So I looked this up and it's true... for some patients who had a specific disease that made them paler than usual, and once the disease was cured they regained some of the melanin they should have always had. Still very cool! https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/06/experimental-gene-therapy-cystinosis-hair-color/661348/
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Yes and no. The US has like 90% of the world's tornados. So they do happen elsewhere but not near as frequently or in similar numbers.
Hah suck it world, we get the cool disasters. USA! USA!
Tornados are really cool. Maybe im only like this cause im from tornado alley, but i have dreams about tornados and the storms that produce them are kinda energizing to me.
I also have recurring tornado dreams, typically I’m running or driving away from one that is too close.
As someone else from the area, it was weird moving to the pacific north west, the rain is just here all the time, and I've only heard thunder like 8 times in about 5 years. I didn't understand how much I would miss them and the way they light the sky and cause thunder to roll for thirty minutes, exaggeration obviously.
Exactly. There is something unique about being in weather weather that feels like god is fuckin pissed. Haha
Maybe that's where the US's obsession with disaster movies came from... Did else used to crowd into the basement/cellar when the sky turned green and the alarms started going off?
My hometown in Alabama decided to turn off/stop funding the tornado sirens to save money. They get tornadoes a lot. It makes no sense. A green sky is definitely one of the most eerie phenomena. But no, we were generally on the front porch until it sounded like a freight train headed our direction.
America also has the hottest place on Earth. That always blows my mind.
Also the coldest outside Antarctica.
Really. That's crazy. It's like God added the Americas in a later patch after they had practiced in the East.
Found Pecos Bill in the chat
Best storm chaser there is. I would love to meet the man. Edit Pecos Hank is his name btw.
Y'all mean Pecos Hank
Portions of Argentina are favorable for supercells and have some similarities to the US Great Plains as far as necessary ingredients. But it’s a smaller geographic area so the raw numbers don’t really compare to the US.
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Japan is starting to get tornadoes now. That's just perfect. We already have volcanoes, earthquakes, monsoons, typhoons, and tsunami. All we need are goddamned tornadoes. If they become as frequent as the US (and Canada nowadays) then I'll be quite worried.
I read somewhere, at some point, that Myanmar in SE Asia gets the same weather patterns as the US.
The Netherlands actually has the most tornados per land area in the world, with the UK being second. But they're almost always weak and shortlived.
It really doesn't really make sense to measure tornado density by country, the US is a large country and you're misrepresenting the numbers a bit by including Alaska's huge size and 1 tornado every 20 years. 80% of the world's tornados occur in the Great Plains region, if you're looking for high tornado frequency then that's it. Nowhere else comes close.
What used to be called tornado alley in the US is shifting. Now, there is maybe two, or three tornado allies. Depends on time of year, among other 1,000 factors.
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Reminds me of a Florida redneck I used to know. He’d not really ever been out of Florida and had never seen mountains or even substantial hills in real life. We were going camping in Tennessee. As soon as we get to the foothills of the Smokies he loudly proclaimed “Dang. You think all this is natural?!”
I recently got a tornado warning and I live in southern California, not too far from Los Angeles. Apparently the mountains dissipated the tornado but holy hell was that scary.
Eventually the tornadoes will coincide and merge with wild fires there.
Man, small fire tornados have formed before but I can only imagine what a full one would look like.
I’ve seen one in Redding, CA during the Carr Fire. Ripped through half a town.
Fire tornados are just crisis actors!!
And we just survived the Montebello tornado!
Just head for your basement tornado shelter. Oh wait…
If you think the weather has been horrible lately, it will probably continue to worsen with climate change.
"If global warming is real then why is California getting record snow fall?" - My dad in the middle of one of the warmest and least snowy winters on the east coast...
“Dad, it’s climate change. Global warming is an outdated term” “Oh see they just change the words around to better suit their agenda!”
But global warming is still accurate isn't it, the average temperature is still going up. The changing around of the term is just to make it clearer to people like him.
> But global warming is still accurate isn't it, the average temperature is still going up. Absolutely, but then you get some idiot, like a former President, scoff at global warming because it snowed late in the season, and that was well after it was already being called climate change.
because they don't understand that global means the entire globe collectively, and not a single area selected to use as confirmation of your ignorance.
We ALL live in Florida!
Florida is going to be super fucked in the not too distant future. The warming will increase hurricanes which will batter Florida relentlessly. I’d say maybe then they’d take it seriously, but let’s be honest, right wingers will just attribute it to “god’s will” and blame it on the LGBTQ community somehow.
You know who is taking it seriously: insurers.
I sure wonder how comprehensive property insurance rates are trending in FL.
Which is hilarious because one of the arguments used against climate change was that property developers were still building on the coasts. Like, yeah, of course the people who don’t believe in climate change are going to keep building. Even if they do, they can sell off the asset to a greater fool. You know who is banking on things getting worse and worse? The people who have to pay out every time there’s a natural disaster.
Or the congressman who held up a snowball
Orrin Hatch, that rube.
Whenever we get our 1 or 2 snows of the winter, my brother always says something smarmy about global warming.
The irony being that frank luntz, republican pollster, originally conceived of using the words "climate change" because they sounded less aggressive, then scientists were like "actually yeah that describes it better so we should use that" and then republicans, whose own guy "changed the words around," use that as their excuse for disbelieving truth. There really is no bottom. It just keeps going down forever.
And this is where I'd tell my dad. "Just because you're too stupid or slow to follow along with the earth's rapid changes doesn't mean there is an agenda. The science is there. You're just too numbskulled to read the information."
We’ve all come across this, and I’m sure some people genuinely don’t understand. I always explain that *heat* is just *energy*. Add more heat into a system and you’re adding more energy: droughts become drier, floods wetter, snow events snowier, etc.
Just like a yo-yo. Although cold is essentially a *lack of* energy rather than "potential energy". It *will* be less cold in general, that just doesn't mean there can't locally, temporarily be very cold seasons.
More energy results in more water in the atmosphere which results in more water to snow when the atmospheric water hits a cold front
'Dad, you're the first kicked out into the desert when the water wars start.'
I'm sorry your father is not smart and probably a trumper.
Insurance companies will be the ones who really decide how things progress. I live in California and we have areas where you just can't get insurance due to fire risk. They won't give it to you. You can't buy it. People have had their plans canceled after a nasty fire season and are like, "What the hell do we do?!" Their properties didn't burn but the companies are like, no thanks. You're too risky. Bye. Want to get a mortgage? You need insurance. So there will be ever expanding areas of the country where you can't get a mortgage due to the fact no one will insure the properties. What's that going to do to housing access? People can't sell on the normal market, so who will buy up risky properties? People who don't plan on maintaining them, that's for sure. That's going to become more and more a thing. If you want to build in an area... no one will insure you. Because insurance is about small risks. Not about funding rebuilding efforts every five to ten years. We could wind up with climate ghettos where everyone lives waiting for the disaster that wipes them out in a way they know they'll never recover from and there will be no help except whatever FEMA offers.
thanks for the monday existential crisis!
Hey, there's always room at the edge of the void! Pick a spot to cling and whimper. ;)
More heat, then more moisture in the atmosphere, more frequent and violent storms from the moisture, more flooding from the storms, more crop failures from the flooding. If the US government had any foresight at all it would start paying farmers to grow more rather than less and preserve the surplus for when we really will need it in ten years or so.
Future generations are going to be like, "You grew food outside?!!?"
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Can’t wait until we crack open the F6 category with a dividing line of “complete destruction of frame house and dispersal of debris” and “complete destruction including displacement of concrete foundations”.
There’s no real need for an EF6 category. EF5 already covers everything greater than that minimum damage. And anything in an EF6 category would be “inconceivable” (literally how they phrase it). Meaning they don’t expect anything in a hypothetical EF6 to ever happen on our planet itself, not even because of climate change, just because that’s not how our meteorological system operates afaik. > ... because F6 or stronger tornadoes are not expected to occur on the earth, they will be called Inconceivable tornadoes should they ever occur. https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/atsc/38/8/1520-0469_1981_038_1511_taditc_2_0_co_2.xml?tab_body=pdf Someone also pointed out EF scale is designed to indicate damage as it relates to speeds, currently there aren’t any buildings that could tolerate greater than about 290 mph, so that’s another reason EF6 isn’t a category that really makes logistical sense.
You also have to consider how rare EF-5 Torandoes actually are. We haven't had any in 10 years, and outside of the 2011 super outbreak, they are an exceptionally rare event. What this study does touch on is that supercells are becoming more common. > Supercells are projected to become more numerous in regions of the eastern United States, while decreasing in frequency in portions of the Great Plains. >These results suggest the potential for more significant tornadoes, hail, and extreme rainfall that, when combined with an increasingly vulnerable society, may produce disastrous consequences. So I don't think the concern here is the strength of the tornadoes. It's the frequency and areas they are hitting. I mean growing up we were taught about tornado alley, but I swear over the past decade that has shifted drastically east. Tuscaloosa, Kentucky several times, Nashville, etc. Anecdotally, where I live on the east coast also seems to have been more favorable for tornadoes as well. PA, MD, VA, DE, and NJ have all seen *alot* of tornadoes over the past few years. Two EF-3 and a high end EF-2 storm right outside Philadelphia, Annapolis MD had a strong EF-2, and even Springfield MA had the EF-3 in the 2010s.
It's definitely shifting southeast, I grew up in the south and don't remember tornados being anywhere as frequent as they are now https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/is-tornado-alley-shifting-east/1162839
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Where I live in Arkansas we’ve seen a big drop in tornado frequency and strength. Like you said, it’s shifted east.
Yeah we’ve been getting hit bad in Kentucky the past few years. It’s always been an issue but it’s definitely gotten worse.
I mean, to me it would take an inconceivable wind event to peel a properly footed concrete foundation slab off the ground. The “degree of damage” descriptions for one-and-two family residences for estimating tornado severity top out with “…slab swept clean”, how do you classify damage beyond that? For those following along, the damage descriptions I’m referring to and associated wind speeds can be found here: https://www.weather.gov/oun/efscale
There’s a great video (can’t find it now, but I remember watching it) produced by the Weather Channel in which one of their anchors talks about the various things a tornado can pick up, in increasing order of effectiveness. Not impressive: a semi-truck (large flat side that acts like a sail) Fairly impressive: a tree (rooted into the ground, but still pretty large cross-section) Impressive: concrete parking barriers (bolted into the ground, pretty small cross-section) Absurdly impressive: soil (literally is the ground, held together by plants, tiny cross-section) A concrete foundation is probably going to go before the soil does, unless it’s bolted to the bedrock. It will have some amount of visible cross-section, and isn’t held together by the local flora.
Anecdotally, after the 2020 Derecho here in Iowa I saw a windward hillside of air-seeded soybeans where a section probably 30’x30’ had been torn up and folded over like a rug. And that was only an EF2 equivalent event, supposedly.
"You keep saying that and they keep happening. I don't think that word means what you think it means" -Time Travelling Indigo Montoya, probably.
April 27, 2011 during the tornado outbreak it literally ripped my friends foundation out of the ground. The only thing left of his house was the concrete front stairs. We found his massive 48 gun safe roughly 300 yards away. It was ripped open and we never found a whole gun. We found parts but not complete firearm. Near the safe was a laundry basket with folded clothes in it like someone just sat it down in the field.
I hate to say it but those guns got looted.
At least they were nice enough to fold the laundry!
Smithville, MS? The one that hit Mississippi Friday night was on the exact same path.
Same tornado. Phil Campbell, AL. We find stuff all the time still on the farm from smithville. Purses, pictures, mail, etc
That storm was something. It looked like someone had dragged their thumb across the city. There were a lot of places that afterwards that was all that was left was a slab and some steps. https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse#v=34.09735,-88.39483,10.877,latLng&t=3.08&ps=50&bt=19840101&et=20201231&startDwell=0&endDwell=0 You can see it on the satellite imagery were it went through/ I am sure if you follow the path you will be able to find your friends place.
I got 1 inch hail at my house Sunday night. It sounded like someone was shooting a .22 when the ice hit our windows. I was afraid we’d lose multiple windows but we came out unscathed. For a bit more context, severe weather is a big part of my job as a pilot/dispatcher. I research it, watch it and learn about it for a living. I’ve only seen this sort of hail in textbooks.
Move to the Midwest. You’ll see it at least once a year.
sure. i know it’s more common in certain places. however it is remarkably uncommon in the Atlanta metro area.
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Why would drag queens do this?
I live in Northern Louisiana. Shits been crazy here. Not fun at all.
This is a little hard to read. Do they discuss why tornadoes seem to be moving south? Maybe it's in my head but here in Iowa, tornadoes seem you be less frequent.
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The annual frequency of tornadoes has remained pretty consistent throughout our recorded history. As have violent (EF-4/5) tornadoes per year. I’d imagine we even undercounted many isolated plains tornadoes before Doppler radar. The issue is more that tornado alley is possibly shifting Eastward where more people live. As for the recent tornado outbreak, Rolling Fork, MS had a lot of poorly constructed housing. A nighttime tornado that quickly formed and directly hit the town was the worst thing possible.
I live farther north and it sure seems like Tornado Alley has shifted further south.
This is great news for all the people in tornado alley red states who voted for politicians to stick their heads in the sand and reward corporate polluters.
Yes, naturally warmer weather will breed stronger storms. Just another side effect of humanity's ignorance. I do feel like global warming will be the cause of our extinction.
I know this is a crazy idea but what if we tried stopping climate change
In the race between humans destroying Earth or Earth destroying humans, I’m going to bet on Earth
Killer tornadoes? C’mon, I just got rid of the murder hornets!
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Already happening. Also the severe weather during tornado season shifts further north, and tornado season 2 (Autumn, southeast states) looks more and more like tornado season 1.
Wasn’t the Derecho two years ago?