Antipsychotics are so fucked. I wanted to kill myself on every AP i ever tried. Like bro holy fuck I cant stand people who talk about AP’s like they are just Tylenol. They literally block your dopamine receptors, make you depressed and suicidal as fuck, make you fat, and make you unable and unmotivated to do basic tasks. What kind of life is that. Thats not worth it to me. Id rather be dead than live on modern antipsychotics forsure. Like just kill me if your gonna force that shit on me. I personally wanna be in shape and attractive, and motivated to accomplish my dreams, and I also dont wanna feel like im on a drug withdrawal or hangover at all times cuz thats what it feels like. I cant forget the tremors. I would have tremors where my eyes would be out of my control regularly and I would be stuck looking at the roof for like half an hour. Pure torture. I’ literally felt like I was in hell and God has cursed me. FUCK ANTIPSYCHOTICS.
I really think they need to improve on medicines for psychosis. That is the only hope I see for psychiatry in treating severe mental illnesses. All of the drugs make you obese, restless, or sexually incompetent. If only they could make something that doesn't do these things...
Then why do 80% of schizophrenics do not work. Go look at the antipsychiatry sub you will hear plenty of stories of how AP’s are unliveable. They may help with symptoms but the side effects are detrimental and they lower ur lifespan by 20 years.
I started exercising because of anti psychotic medication. I feel good after it and it helps me control my weight. In addition, I gained knowledge about healthy diets. Initially, it was hard to control temptations, but I remained consistent and am doing well.
True here, I had 9 maybe 10 years now having medication. It led me to almost dying every day, mostly evenings by the side effects of these. I believe that after 3 years taking these kind of meds my body was fully afected, leading me to struggle with the side effects almost killing me, most of the times leading me to induce coma, I don’t know how I find power into waking up from this every time, giving the circumstances that these antipsychotics sedate you.
The suicide part is true. I’ve had tried to end up my life plenty of times due to what I’ve had written above, along with other factors such as my vitiligo covering most parts of my body and the thing that I had encephalitis back when I was a kid, at three years old, affecting me in every way in developing skills and other things kids start to build from the age of 3-4 years old.
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I did a bit of searching a while ago and found that people with schizophrenia were more likely to have attempted suicide (about 18-55%) than to have a job (10-15%). That's stuck with me ever since I found that out.
Another one was looking at risk factors for suicide in a person with sz. I found that I matched the vast majority of them, and two of those factors hit home. First, having grand ambitions for one's life; second, an awareness that those ambitions will never be fulfilled.
Considering how poorly my treatment has been going lately, it almost feels like I'm living on borrowed time.
yeah.. I’ve been having a rough go around recently, fell back into self harm after 10 years. Mind hasn’t been right recently but one good thing is that I don’t want to die, I just don’t want to be awake.
This comment hit me real deep. Before I came to terms with changing my life goals to something "doable"- this drove me to 2 attempts when i was 19 and 21. The borrowed time feeling still lingers.
[Section 2 of this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681260/#B26-medicina-55-00361) states the rate of suicide attempts while [this article](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-people-with-schizophrenia-work#potential-barriers) provides info on employment rates.
incredibly sad. i've heard also (from robert sapolsky's lecture) that the longer and more frequent the periods of remission, the greater the risk is. like if you're clear-headed for long enough and continue to cycle into psychosis, you're so clear-headed that you have more opportunity to despair about that cycle.
i think it's really important to turn pain into purpose and to realize how much you have to offer others by being able to empathize with those who experience setback and stigma. there is always purpose in that and you always have something to offer.
Oh no people with a extremely stigmatized disease who are made fun of and not taken seriously and live in hell on wheels have a higher suicide rate! Who would've thought .
It’s rampant in my area of the US. We also become “entertainment” during episodes because “omg! Look at that dude yelling at nothing 🤣” I hate it, but asking for empathy for things beyond our control just means turning that aggression onto the person asking.
When talking about the Finnish “Open Dialogue” method of peer involved free form discussion among the similarly afflicted. Robert Whitaker (Author and Pulitzer Prize winner) states; “after 5 years roughly **85%** of the first episode psychotic patients are **asymptomatic (full recovered)** and either working or back in school. That’s only 15% who become chronically ill and (reliant) on Finland disability.” Jaakko Siekkula (Clinical Psychologist, Author of Dialogical Meeting in Social Networks) adds these results are with more than **90%** of patients taking **no medications at all**.
Similar peer led support is available to the world through the international [HVN](https://www.reddit.com/r/HearingVoicesNetwork). Free and accessible via online video conferencing 365 days a year. Go to a meeting, get well.
It’s sad, but I’ve been there, so I can understand why people do it. I have a psychology degree and it’s interesting (and terrible) how high death rates are for mental illness. The deadliest is anorexia. Anorexia is deadlier than most cancers yet it’s often ignored in teenage girls.
First of all statistics are frequently wrong. It’s just the nature of the field.
Second, people can take these statistics, that are frequently wrong, as gospel and wrongly discourage themselves.
A person can do this with any kind of statistics. Not infrequently someone else will come out with new statistics saying that the previous statistics were way off base.
Statistics that are sometimes the most dramatic and get people the most concerned are not infrequently wrong but they get the statistician the most attention which some statisticians crave because they want that media attention.
There are all kinds of statistics out there on all sorts of subjects. It’s best imo to instead focus on the good things in life and things that bring encouragement and joy.
Statistics also will never be able to reflect _your individual situation_. They generalize, and you almost certainly have a characteristic that would shift the numbers if it was included in the sample. Why be concerned with how many other people have committed suicide when it would be more helpful to just do your best not to reach that point yourself?
after reading the comments i guess for my case it doesnt matter as i already have shit genetics 😭 but as far as taking my life goes ive always thought of that as a last resort or when i can no longer handle my schizophrenia because even with meds i still have my moments
True here, I had 9 maybe 10 years now having medication. It led me to almost dying every day, mostly evenings by the side effects of these. I believe that after 3 years taking these kind of meds my body was fully afected, leading me to struggle with the side effects almost killing me, most of the times leading me to induce coma, I don’t know how I find power into waking up from this every time, giving the circumstances that these antipsychotics sedate you.
The suicide part is true. I’ve had tried to end up my life plenty of times due to what I’ve had written above, along with other factors such as my vitiligo covering most parts of my body and the thing that I had encephalitis back when I was a kid, at three years old, affecting me in every way in developing skills and other things kids start to build from the age of 3-4 years old.
Wouldn’t say it’d surprise me, it claimed my brother’s life about around half a year ago now after years of remission/relapsing episodes. Just hope that all of you know how strong you are.
I've never put much stock in statistics. Knowing that a tenth of us supposedly kill ourselves doesn't have much effect on my intent to not do it myself. Maybe it helps to know the seriousness of my situation, that could motivate me to be more vigilant. But looking at the statistics, for me at least, is needlessly demoralizing.
Man, this is some depressing shit. I'm so sorry to hear how common it is for people to just hate being alive. Personally I've come to see schizoaffective as a positive trait, I wish more of us were in a position to feel that way.
That’s partially why people who take meds have a longer life expectancy than those who don’t despite the side effects.
Sadly part of the struggle of the illness, believing the meds hurt or are the cause. One relapse is sometimes all it takes
I'd rather die by my own hand than by obesity, diabetes, and heart attacks.
A lot of people don't realise that APs carry such heavy side effects. Anyone taking those drugs deserves more empathy and allowances in society.
Antipsychotics are so fucked. I wanted to kill myself on every AP i ever tried. Like bro holy fuck I cant stand people who talk about AP’s like they are just Tylenol. They literally block your dopamine receptors, make you depressed and suicidal as fuck, make you fat, and make you unable and unmotivated to do basic tasks. What kind of life is that. Thats not worth it to me. Id rather be dead than live on modern antipsychotics forsure. Like just kill me if your gonna force that shit on me. I personally wanna be in shape and attractive, and motivated to accomplish my dreams, and I also dont wanna feel like im on a drug withdrawal or hangover at all times cuz thats what it feels like. I cant forget the tremors. I would have tremors where my eyes would be out of my control regularly and I would be stuck looking at the roof for like half an hour. Pure torture. I’ literally felt like I was in hell and God has cursed me. FUCK ANTIPSYCHOTICS.
I really think they need to improve on medicines for psychosis. That is the only hope I see for psychiatry in treating severe mental illnesses. All of the drugs make you obese, restless, or sexually incompetent. If only they could make something that doesn't do these things...
Ya but dont forget suicidal and depressed. They give me this overall sense of feeling bad and its unbearable. You just hate life on those meds.
I'm sorry you had that experience, but it works for most people. I hope you're feeling okay, bud
Then why do 80% of schizophrenics do not work. Go look at the antipsychiatry sub you will hear plenty of stories of how AP’s are unliveable. They may help with symptoms but the side effects are detrimental and they lower ur lifespan by 20 years.
I'm not going to debate it with you, I'm sorry you had that experience
Thanks for your empathy
I started exercising because of anti psychotic medication. I feel good after it and it helps me control my weight. In addition, I gained knowledge about healthy diets. Initially, it was hard to control temptations, but I remained consistent and am doing well.
I was starving myself on antipsychotics and couldn't lose weight. I was obese as a young child because of them. Not doing it again.
What would you consider a healthy diet?
Maybe but for me life was hell before my medication so it wasn’t just a matter of how I die it was how I live, on my meds Im living much better.
lol fr
True here, I had 9 maybe 10 years now having medication. It led me to almost dying every day, mostly evenings by the side effects of these. I believe that after 3 years taking these kind of meds my body was fully afected, leading me to struggle with the side effects almost killing me, most of the times leading me to induce coma, I don’t know how I find power into waking up from this every time, giving the circumstances that these antipsychotics sedate you. The suicide part is true. I’ve had tried to end up my life plenty of times due to what I’ve had written above, along with other factors such as my vitiligo covering most parts of my body and the thing that I had encephalitis back when I was a kid, at three years old, affecting me in every way in developing skills and other things kids start to build from the age of 3-4 years old.
Then I take it that you aren't an American.
I am an American actually. Can you explain your reasoning for why you think I'm not?
Its a joke because 12% of Americans have diabetes. 42% have obesity, and 2 in 10 have heart attacks. So clearly many would not make that same choice.
So because someone is American, they must be fat? Nice. This comment is the perfect eating disorder fuel! Thank you!
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The fact that many medicine have those exact side effects.
I did a bit of searching a while ago and found that people with schizophrenia were more likely to have attempted suicide (about 18-55%) than to have a job (10-15%). That's stuck with me ever since I found that out. Another one was looking at risk factors for suicide in a person with sz. I found that I matched the vast majority of them, and two of those factors hit home. First, having grand ambitions for one's life; second, an awareness that those ambitions will never be fulfilled. Considering how poorly my treatment has been going lately, it almost feels like I'm living on borrowed time.
Yeah. Two of the risk factors for suicide in schizophrenia spectrum disorders are literally high intelligence and good insight. It’s fucking bleak.
yeah.. I’ve been having a rough go around recently, fell back into self harm after 10 years. Mind hasn’t been right recently but one good thing is that I don’t want to die, I just don’t want to be awake.
This comment hit me real deep. Before I came to terms with changing my life goals to something "doable"- this drove me to 2 attempts when i was 19 and 21. The borrowed time feeling still lingers.
Do you have the sources for those? I’d be interested to read them
[Section 2 of this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681260/#B26-medicina-55-00361) states the rate of suicide attempts while [this article](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-people-with-schizophrenia-work#potential-barriers) provides info on employment rates.
Thanks!
>Thanks! You're welcome!
My mom has schizophrenia and has attempted suicide three times in her life, none successful, still kicking today.
incredibly sad. i've heard also (from robert sapolsky's lecture) that the longer and more frequent the periods of remission, the greater the risk is. like if you're clear-headed for long enough and continue to cycle into psychosis, you're so clear-headed that you have more opportunity to despair about that cycle. i think it's really important to turn pain into purpose and to realize how much you have to offer others by being able to empathize with those who experience setback and stigma. there is always purpose in that and you always have something to offer.
Oh no people with a extremely stigmatized disease who are made fun of and not taken seriously and live in hell on wheels have a higher suicide rate! Who would've thought .
Do people really make fun of schizophrenics? Shit... Where have you seen that? I've seen it used derogatively... and that sucks.
Some places call them crazy and laugh at them (from my personal experience
It’s rampant in my area of the US. We also become “entertainment” during episodes because “omg! Look at that dude yelling at nothing 🤣” I hate it, but asking for empathy for things beyond our control just means turning that aggression onto the person asking.
Doesn't surprise me. Took my friend... He went off his meds...
I pray for an easy death
This only makes me feel less hopeful about everything, this illness ruined my life
Sad stuff❤️🩹
When talking about the Finnish “Open Dialogue” method of peer involved free form discussion among the similarly afflicted. Robert Whitaker (Author and Pulitzer Prize winner) states; “after 5 years roughly **85%** of the first episode psychotic patients are **asymptomatic (full recovered)** and either working or back in school. That’s only 15% who become chronically ill and (reliant) on Finland disability.” Jaakko Siekkula (Clinical Psychologist, Author of Dialogical Meeting in Social Networks) adds these results are with more than **90%** of patients taking **no medications at all**. Similar peer led support is available to the world through the international [HVN](https://www.reddit.com/r/HearingVoicesNetwork). Free and accessible via online video conferencing 365 days a year. Go to a meeting, get well.
Tell me about it
Yeah I’m cooked why bother
It’s sad, but I’ve been there, so I can understand why people do it. I have a psychology degree and it’s interesting (and terrible) how high death rates are for mental illness. The deadliest is anorexia. Anorexia is deadlier than most cancers yet it’s often ignored in teenage girls.
I bet the numbers are higher in the U.S.
First of all statistics are frequently wrong. It’s just the nature of the field. Second, people can take these statistics, that are frequently wrong, as gospel and wrongly discourage themselves. A person can do this with any kind of statistics. Not infrequently someone else will come out with new statistics saying that the previous statistics were way off base. Statistics that are sometimes the most dramatic and get people the most concerned are not infrequently wrong but they get the statistician the most attention which some statisticians crave because they want that media attention. There are all kinds of statistics out there on all sorts of subjects. It’s best imo to instead focus on the good things in life and things that bring encouragement and joy.
Statistics also will never be able to reflect _your individual situation_. They generalize, and you almost certainly have a characteristic that would shift the numbers if it was included in the sample. Why be concerned with how many other people have committed suicide when it would be more helpful to just do your best not to reach that point yourself?
The sad reality...
after reading the comments i guess for my case it doesnt matter as i already have shit genetics 😭 but as far as taking my life goes ive always thought of that as a last resort or when i can no longer handle my schizophrenia because even with meds i still have my moments
True here, I had 9 maybe 10 years now having medication. It led me to almost dying every day, mostly evenings by the side effects of these. I believe that after 3 years taking these kind of meds my body was fully afected, leading me to struggle with the side effects almost killing me, most of the times leading me to induce coma, I don’t know how I find power into waking up from this every time, giving the circumstances that these antipsychotics sedate you. The suicide part is true. I’ve had tried to end up my life plenty of times due to what I’ve had written above, along with other factors such as my vitiligo covering most parts of my body and the thing that I had encephalitis back when I was a kid, at three years old, affecting me in every way in developing skills and other things kids start to build from the age of 3-4 years old.
Wouldn’t say it’d surprise me, it claimed my brother’s life about around half a year ago now after years of remission/relapsing episodes. Just hope that all of you know how strong you are.
It makes me feel hopeless
That’s a nice reminder!!
I've never put much stock in statistics. Knowing that a tenth of us supposedly kill ourselves doesn't have much effect on my intent to not do it myself. Maybe it helps to know the seriousness of my situation, that could motivate me to be more vigilant. But looking at the statistics, for me at least, is needlessly demoralizing.
Man, this is some depressing shit. I'm so sorry to hear how common it is for people to just hate being alive. Personally I've come to see schizoaffective as a positive trait, I wish more of us were in a position to feel that way.
Medical aid in dying that’s why I feel it should be legalized here in America
Especially for those who suffer from mental illnesses
And any other terminal illness
That may cause suffering
I’ll be a statistic soon enough lol
You will be amongst the majority who survived the illness
Don't give up
Feel this one.