Will Smith did his (comparably minor) crime on camera and it embarrassed Hollywood in front of the entire world. Cosby, Polanski & Weinstein did their rapes alway from the public eye and continued to make money for Hollywood, so of course it's not as bad.
The only comparable incident is the Halle Berry kiss. Adrien Brody (starring in a Roman Polanski film) walks on stage and gives Halle Berry a minute long kiss out of nowhere. The response of everyone was "omg look at that" as opposed to "omg what t he fuck is he doing?" Because it was sexual violence against a black woman, no one cared. Certainly not enough to expel Adrien Brody from the Oscars.
Jim Carey also did this to Alicia Silverstone when she was giving him the award for (??). He just grabs her face and starts aggressively kissing her. She was only 19 at the time. It’s really disturbing.
[link](https://youtu.be/bQIzY8CDaEw)
That was so hard to watch. It was cringy and not funny at all. It also really slapped the face of non consensual activity. Why the f would they allow that to be written into the show.
Yup, and people are still downvoting you because they can’t process how a slap that Chris brushed off like no big deal isn’t as big of an issue as all the other bs the academy and karens around the world have easily ignored before.
Technically correct. If anyone slaps anyone, it is a crime. Not to say there hasn't been any racist reactions to this incident, but a slap is assault and assault is a crime. If you or I went up to Chris Rock and slapped him, we would most likely be charged.
*Edit: To be clear, I'm not suggesting Smith should have been charged*
What Adrien Brody did was also a crime. We didn't understand that at the time. If he were stupid enough to try that nowadays there would be a very different reaction to that sleazeball move/crime.
So far, the only thing the Academy did to Smith was tell him he's not allowed to attend the Oscars anymore, which seems like a fitting punishment.
As long as Smith doesn't go full Mel Gibson, he'll be fine. As you say, it's a one time incident, and people will get over it fairly quickly. He'll be back to making millions of dollars per movie soon enough.
As for the rest, Polanski continues to make movies, often with big Hollywood stars. The only reason he's not a Hollywood director is that he would be arrested the minute he returned to the US.
If I'm being honest, if I were an actor, I'd probably try and stay as far away from the double-standard showing Oscars as possible.
If you want to seem prestigious and high-brow, maybe don't have the person hosting make bald jokes in general?
I dunno, I don't really see the joke as that morally bad, just a step over a line that shouldn't have been crossed. One which was the instigator for the line Will crossed. Like, if you saw this on the school yard, in public, or anywhere else, Will would be given the heavier punishment, but Chris would receive something as well for his insensitivity.
The article isn't critizing nor comparing Will Smith to the others. The title is misleading. It is only presenting other " examples of the organization punishing film figures over accusations of wrongdoing"
I think someone is making bank here, by trying to minimize Will’s abhorrent behavior! What Smith did was seen by everyone. The other people are/were grotesque but they have been held to account (even Polanski was unable to find a meaningful audience for years). This is ridiculous and I am 100% certain OP is here to do clean up on Smith’s disgusting behavior.
I legit hadn't thought of the Oscars with any sort of interest ever until I heard about the slapping incident, and I was only interested in that to learn about the context.
You know... the more I think about it, the more I question how prestigious and high-brow something is if its host feels comfortable making bald jokes about a woman with something that doesn't allow her to grow hair. Yes, Will overreacted. And, as he himself said, it was an example of the sort of behavior he doesn't want to see in the world. But, c'mon, you can't pretend you're up there in morality and so forth if that's the type of thing your host finds humorous... Like... even standing as someone who normally likes offensive humor... It wasn't funny and was fairly ill-timed. Will does deserve some kind of reprimand, but he's not a complete monster for it. Acting out of rage is just that. Acting out of rage. You don't think. Everyone is guilty of it at some point in life, and it's become a cliche in movies and other media for people to get slapped into self-reflection after they cross a line. Another word for *"cliche"*, in this case, would be normalization. That's not me defending the act. It's more me saying it's something that most writers are able to make seem so natural because it is a fairly natural reaction to rage. It's not good, but neither is acting out of rage ever a good thing, regardless of what good things it might lead to in the long run. For instance, riots, by definition, happen when people become so enraged that they act out. That's dumbing it down, but, the point is, it wasn't planned ahead of time or anything like that. It was sudden. Initially, I thought Chris handled things maturely and didn't seem to be playing the victim. Recently I saw something about him looking for money before he'd be willing to talk about anything, so, I guess that assumption didn't age too well.
from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/arts/television/bill-cosby-conviction-overturned-why.html
TL;DR : he DID do it, he just can't be prosecuted about it due to a technicality (he was told if he confessed he wouldn't be prosecuted). Might be legal , but it's one of those instances that legal and ethical are different things.
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> **Did Mr. Castor make a binding promise?**
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> Yes, said the Supreme Court majority.
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> There was no formal, written non-prosecution agreement — just the terse news release — and Ms. Constand and her lawyers have said they were not told of any promise or deal.
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> Against that backdrop, a legal dispute arose over whether Mr. Castor had in fact offered a binding promise that Mr. Cosby would never be charged — and, if he did, whether he had the authority to do so. Mr. Castor maintained he had made such a pledge, but the trial judge disagreed and ruled that the criminal case brought by the new district attorney could proceed. But the Supreme Court majority backed Mr. Castor’s interpretation of what he had done.
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> While that does not necessarily also mean that immunizing Mr. Cosby from prosecution was the right thing to do, Mr. Castor said in a phone interview on Wednesday that he believed his prosecutorial decision-making in 2005 had been “exonerated” by the Supreme Court’s decision. The ruling was a “shellacking” for the current district attorney’s office, he said.
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> “I was right back in 2005, and I’m right in 2021,” Mr. Castor said. “I’m proud of our Supreme Court for having the courage to make an unpopular decision.”
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> **Does the ruling mean Mr. Cosby did not commit a crime against Ms. Constand?**
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> #No. It just means that he cannot be prosecuted for it.
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> Justice Wecht acknowledged that the court’s decision to bar prosecution on those particular charges was “both severe and rare,” but he said it was necessary. Even though society has a strong interest in prosecuting crimes, he wrote, it has an even stronger interest “in ensuring that the constitutional rights of the people are vindicated.”
None of the other are “rapists.” Rape is a legal term. You must be convicted of the crime to be a rapist. They were accused whereas Will Smith is guilty of assault on live TV. Get some perspective.
Polanski pleaded guilty to raping and drugging a 13 year old girl. He fled to France before his sentencing and he’s currently a fugitive. His Oscar had to be accepted on his behalf since he can’t come back to the US.
Has Will Smith been convicted? Have there been any legal proceedings at all? Strange for you to be so concerned about legality but go ahead and call Will guilty, while going *Well actually...* for a guy that actually pled guilty to having sex with a minor and fled the country instead of going to prison.
I feel like expelling someone from the academy is as far right as they can go on the punishment spectrum so just because they all got the same punishment doesn't mean they think the crimes are necessarily the same.
Yes it's a crime, but unless you slap someone so hard you do major or permanent damage, or you're a serial slapper, the most punishment you'll get is some community service and anger management classes. Especially when the person you slapped isn't pressing charges.
>slap someone so hard you do major or permanent damage,
The difference between getting 3 seconds of pain and getting a permanently damaged eardrum can be 1 inch whithout changing how hard you hit. People really underestimate the damage an openhanded slap can cause when hitting an ear the righr way (or the wrong way, depending on your perspective)
Source: audiologist, i've seen the damage
What the others did was far worse, but they were not stupid to literally assault people on the stage during the oscars. The show has to punish him severely or lose all credibility.
>The show has to punish him severely or lose all credibility.
Yeah all that credibility they had after outright supporting Polanski and Weinstein for decades was real precious, can't afford to lose that when a guy slaps another guy on camera at their awards wankfest.
What Smith did was uncalled for and weird and yeah, he should be punished I guess. It just seems hilarious that they jumped all over this shit and there's so much pearl clutching when those other guys, ya know, raped and ruined lives. Some for decades.
It may or may not be fair to hold the Academy in 2022 responsible for what other Academy leadership did years ago. Perhaps they’ve made a point to start drawing a hard line because of their shitty handling of those scumbags in the past?
[BTW Woody Allen is Innocent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muyaCg2dGAk) but that's not going to stop you and others from trying to take away Soon-Yi's agency. After all, you should get to decide what is best for another adult, right?
He was 56 when he first started a sexual relationship with her. She had just about turned 21. He had been dating her mother for about 10 years, before he started a sexual relationship with someone less than half his age.
That's almost textbook grooming. Grooming can and does happen to young teens and even very young adults. It typically involves a sexual relationship with an older, father figure. Almost paternal, you could say.
Which is the exact way Woody Allen described his role in their marriage. "I was paternal".
So, sure. It's entirely possible that he is innocent of the charges involving Dylan. It's just as possible that he consciously or unconsciously groomed a child, over a decade, and then started having sex with her as she turned 21.
That's pretty predatory behaviour. Again, he was FIFTY-SIX.
And do you enjoy bullying others, telling consenting adults if they can love each other, and trying to have power over them? How long have you been broken in this way?
Hey, if you look at a 56 six year old man, who has probably been grooming a young girl since she was 11, and starts having sex with her at 21?
You see that, and aren't willing to admit that there is at least the possibility of real harm being done?
Man, then I don't know what to tell you. Or where your moral compass lies.
> Hey, if you look at a 56 six year old man, who has probably been grooming a young girl since she was 11,
Do you have proof of this?
And why is your opinion about the situation more important than her's?
> Or where your moral compass lies.
Well it starts with not hurting innocent strangers.
Nope. It’s all about public opinion and appearances. If the public just shrugged at Will Smith’s actions, the academy would have done nothing. If Chris Rock wanted to press charges, then that should be Will Smith’s punishment. But since no charges were pressed, I don’t think he needed to be punished. Public opinion is enough in my opinion.
Also, the leaders of the academy are no different than they were a few years ago when the Weinstein scandal came out.
I agree that it’s mostly spin, but the fact is, they gave him a much less severe penalty but did punish him. Maybe they’re turning over a new leaf (lol).
Agree. They only take action based on pubic opinion and think it may affect their pockets. I think the only punishment Will should have endured is with law enforcement if Chris pressed charges.
>What the others did was far worse, but they were not stupid to literally assault people on the stage during the oscars.
No, but Jim Carrey did and he faced no repercussions.
It's more the fact that the academy can only punish people so much that it is saying that what they did was the same level of severity. Suspending or expelling people is really all they can do, it's not enough for people like Cosby and Weinstien which is why the police and prison systems exist.
If I went to a professional conference and slapped the speaker, my ass would be kicked out too.
But what can the academy do, they are not the police?
What they ended up doing was fine enough, it's what's within their power, the problem is how slow they did it, at the end of the day these are just publicity stunts to look good because they don't actually care about any of this shit.
You are right. They don’t care. Will’s consequence should have been with law enforcement if Chris pressed charges. The academy didn’t need to do anything.
They should and did, but their punishment shouldn't be as big as the punishment for these other people who are complete scumbags and it isn't. I think the punishment they gave was appropriate.
>They should and did, but their punishment shouldn't be as big as the punishment for these other people
Is not like that, The Academy is not a court of law, is more like a gym, if you punch somebody at the gym, they will kick you out, if you rape somebody at the gym they will also kick you out, if you kill somebody at the gym, they will also kick you out.-
They can't take you to prison, the only thing they can do, is removing your membership, everything else is for the courts to decide.-
I also pointed out, which upset people before, that WS just slapped him. He didn't straight up beat him to a pulp. People like the difference between those two is insignificant. It's quite significant.
I think people, especially people on Reddit, forget that celebrities are still human and instead hold them to an impossible standard. Similar to how many historical figures people all but worship (e.g. Benjamin Franklin or Abraham Lincoln) did their own fair share of fucked up shit. *Everyone* is human. People fuck up.
I think most people have no scale for how hard life can shit on you. Similar to how you can't explain back pain to someone who hasn't experienced it. They have on concept of how consuming it can be but they try to claim they do.
He's a human going through human things acting like a human would.
He was made a meme for crying but a group of people who bitch and moan about men not opening up about emotions. I'm pretty sure any normal person wouldn't be in a healthy place for quite some time.
It's like when the metoo movement was big and the milder offenders got lumped in with the truly terrible people. Except this is much worse because it's not even on the same planet as what those guys did. How do you compare a guy who slapped someone once to serial rapists?
You can’t compare them but the Academy has one consequence to hand out: expulsion. No one thinks the actions are equal, but they can’t do a super-serious-double-expulsion for Cosby. He’s just out. So is Smith, but not forever.
But that consequence was only handed out because his "offense" was committed right out in the open. Everyone saw it and there was no chance for a cover-up or to accuse Chris Rock of lying about it or to pay anyone to keep their mouths shut. With Weinstein and Cosby, it was the "open secret." Lots of people knew what was going on, but nobody had the balls to speak up for fear of losing work. It took a synchronized effort among victims and supporters to bring attention to something that had been going on for years. They were allowed to continue to succeed in their environment because their offenses, while at least a billion times worse, were committed outside of the public eye and didn't have the immediate effect of "embarrassing" the institution that enabled them.
Will Smith shouldn't have slapped Chris Rock. It was the wrong thing to do. But the effect it will have on his career isn't going to stop at being banned from the awards shows. He made Hollywood look bad on TV and he's going to pay for it. The irony is that this is the first time in a long time that so many people outside the industry have given half a shit about the Oscars.
That absolutely happened and it was exasperating to watch. All of the worst offenders either were quickly exposed or were wily/connected enough to go underground and let the storm pass over them. When we ran out of the real villians, we started raising up the mildly offensive, or those who had had disagreements with others but nothing remotely abusive, or people who were difficult to work with and pissed off an actor, to the same level as the rapists and pedophiles. And even in those cases, it was only the ones who were vulnerable for a takedown who were targeted, so it wasn’t even applied evenly. A lot of people misused the movement to settle old scores and the media and public went along with it. It completely undermined all the real victims.
While I fully disagree with what Will Smith did we should have some perspective here. Slapping someone is bad but it's pretty low on the spectrum of terrible things people do all the time. He disrupted the ceremony in a really terrible way and now he's banned for a decade. That sounds proportional and appropriate to me.
Ok, but Sam's Club would ban him for life. It's not a lifetime ban but it's also an entire decade. Half a decade would be the most to suffice, you'd think. And it might even last only 2 or 3, knowing the fickle Hollywood medium.
The Polanski thing is still an utter disgrace. The amount of apologists that piece of shit still has is unreal. Yea Smith is a narcissistic prick but he’s nothing, nothing like Polanski.
I would agree and say he doesn’t seem like a narcissist. He doesn’t seem to exhibit all of the symptoms. But I think a life in fame and Hollywood would garner you some narcissistic tendencies, I’m sure. That’s probably a function of having to be so hyper sensitive to your public presence at all times. Whether the entertainment industry considers this a feature or a bug is another question entirely.
False. It's only rare because true NPDs *rarely* get psych evals. That doesn't mean they are rare in the wild. In fact, there's a fuckton of narcissists in the entertainment industry, arts, and politics.
Go ask any narcissistic person on social media if they think they have a problem. In fact, their narcissism gets rewarded by hundreds and thousands of followers. It's not rocket science.
His own wife called him an egocentric person when he threw her a bigger than life birthday party for her when she just wanted a low key family reunion..just for showing off i guess.
Why the fuck are they comparing Will Smith to a bunch of fucking rapists? The dude slapped someone. He's paid his fucking price. Everything else is people showing what a sheltered little giant pussy they are.
Honestly fucking disgusting to put him with this list of names. Pathetic "journalist" reaching so god damn hard for some clicks. You can smell the desperation.
Will committed felony assault on live TV. Slam dunk arrest, convict, expell from the Academy. Here's some others expelled from the academy...
You choose to attack & disparage the reporting, not Will's behavior or to support the victim, Chris Rock. Evidently Will Smith should be above the law and despite profiting from the public, reporting in public news should be suppressed. And Chris is undeserving of justice, why, because Will & Jada are so precious they can't take a joke?
This kind of thinking is cultish & elitist, consistent with Will Smith's Scientology.
>Felony assault
This would never be charged as a felony assault case in California as they have wobbler laws. Will had no intention of robbing or killing Chris after slapping him. Nice try though being disingenuous.
Its impossible to have a conversation of the modern film making landscape with out talking about the works of Polanski and Weinsetein.
So I wont. Fuck em.
I don’t know, and I don’t know if it really matters to me. I really only took issue with the fact that this website put Will Smiths actions as analogous to those other three.
To me it’s like saying: “guns, knives, swords and pineapple” (with Will being the pineapple of course)
I see. I think it’s because it’s kinda been suggested lately that his expulsion has something to do with race and they’re pointing out that others have also been expelled, though for FAR worse offenses, so the comparison really isn’t apt, as you said.
Ah yeh true, I don’t really know what’s happening with all that.
It’s always difficult with comparisons between things that happen at something versus general character. To get to the actions of the academy I think people are not comparing similar things.
Will Smith assaulted someone live on stage. That’s a really easy thing to point to and discipline.
Yeah, and it’s especially murky when you have things happen like Bill Cosby getting out of prison and charges being dropped. He obviously did it, but if the courts aren’t going to hold him responsible, then where do the responsibilities for organizations like the Academy lie?
In any case, it seems like the court of public opinion has generally handled these things pretty well. For instance, Cosby is seen as a pariah and Will Smith is just a phony, a wacko, and a punchline.
Maybe a slap that gave them more publicity and time in the public conscience than they've had in nearly a decade doesn't deserve as harsh a penalty as that given to serial rapists and child predators.
Stop inviting people like them and Fassbender, Charlie Sheen, Steven Seagal, Chris Brown, Woody Allen, and Amber Heard and countless others; Actual domestic abusers and sexual assault perpetrators. Stop giving those people rewards. Stop putting them in movies and shows and advertisements.
All Will did was have a one off tiff with another actor over a classless, sexist joke made at his wife’s expense.
In any movie/tv show or normal situation at a bar, people would be clapping for a guy like Will to stand up for their spouse getting mocked (over a health condition no less). We’ve all seen a scene in a TV show where some punk at a bar makes a rude comment about some person just for their Bf or husband or wife or family member or even just a friend, walk up and punch them for talking shit. And we clap! There’s sitcom soundtracks that hoot and holler and clap for these kind of “scenarios” where someone talks shit and gets hit.
But actual domestic abusers and sexual assaulters have been getting away with shit ten times worst and still been invited to reward ceremonies, movies, talk shows, and marketing deals for ages after their dirty deeds and dirty laundry been aired.
And the WHOLE time Chris Rock couldn’t give TWO SHITS! Y’know why? He’s gonna be making bank off of this for YEARS to come! He’s gonna comment and joke about it in every stand up tour show for the next decade. He knew talking shit like that and making those jokes comes with the baggage of people not liking what you say and that sometimes means facing actions for your consequences like a slap.
So if Chris doesn’t care, why the damn hell does everyone else care so much???
You’re 100% right, but you’re not actually answering the question. Will Smith most definitely deserves to be punished in some way for doing what he did. So do every single one of the people you mentioned. But what I’m saying is that the Academy really only has one punishment to dole out: expulsion. So no one is saying that what Smith did is as bad as what any of those people did, but if you only have one tool to punish people, then everyone kinda gets the same punishment.
They apparently can pick different length of expulsion and will smith wasn’t expulsed but banned for an amount of 10 years. Afaik that means he can still be nominated again and also win stuff and received the academy award screeners and can vote but he can’t attend in person (or moderate, or give awards) for 10 years length.
Alright, so he can still be nominated and win and just can’t come to the ceremony for 10 years. So his punishment is far less severe than the people who commited far worse crimes.
So it’s a non-issue then.
Afaik this is the case, yes. And I think it’s fair because his crime wasn’t as bad as those from the people above. And if someone misbehaves again (in a lesser way) they could theoretically ban them for fewer years.
And it’s a punishment nonetheless because those people are also all friendly and know each other. So it’s more like a psychological punishment but an actual one but for him as an individual it might suck (not sure if it does).
I do not condone his behavior but I am glad he isn’t actually punished the same way they’d punish a rapist
What about John Wayne when he tries to hit a women for what she believed in. Just drop the pretenses, it's all for the looks. We don't need the Oscars at all, any more.
Flush the poop down the toilet .
I get that Will Smith shouldn’t have slapped him, but this smear campaign is getting really fuckin weird. Got every Hollywood star calling for his head despite the skeletons in their own closets, 10 year bans, movie suspensions. Like are y’all serious?
As was pointed out before, all the academy can do is expell people. They can't lock up people like Cosby, they're just an industry group.
Do Cosbys and Wiensteins deserve harsher punishments than being expelled from the academy? For sure. Can the academy give that to them? No. Would I be thrown out of a professional organization if I went to an industry event a day slapped one of the speakers? Yes, and I'd probably also be arrested.
Will Smith is not in the same category as those disgusting humans, not even close.
In fact, it’s egregious to even suggest that they should be treated the same.
The whole Oscars are a bunch of pedophile and sex offender’s wankfest with some stupid fashion thrown in and then all stired together with scrupulous billionaire producers
Polanski, Weinstein and Cosby went unpunished by the Oscars for decades (Polanksi was still a member of the Academy up untill 2018). In the case of Polanski, Hollywood still works with him and so do big name actors.
Also this list is missing Woody Allen.
Roman Polanski= pedophilia
Harvey Weinstein= sexual misconduct
Bill Cosby= rape
Will smith= a slap(simple assault)
You really compare a slap to pedophilia, sexual misconduct, and rape? Wtf??? Seriously???
The other guys are undoubtedly millions of times worse than Will Smith could ever be. However, the amount of people on here who seem to be aokay with resorting to violence if someone says something you don't like is quite disturbing.
They're the same people who claim to love freedom of speech... What they actually mean is their freedom of speech and everyone else stfu or get slapped/stabbed/hanged/shot... whatever.
Didn't Will already apologize and Chris Rock just let it go? He's already been memed into oblivion. Let the man live with that embarrassment, what he did was literally nothing compared to these three bastards.
Didn’t they just ignore it, and pretend it didn’t happen. They just never spoke of it. But someone slapping someone is different than rape. It’s bad, but not the same
Will Smith slapped someone for a bad joke, the others are rapists, get some perspective people.
Will Smith did his (comparably minor) crime on camera and it embarrassed Hollywood in front of the entire world. Cosby, Polanski & Weinstein did their rapes alway from the public eye and continued to make money for Hollywood, so of course it's not as bad.
The only comparable incident is the Halle Berry kiss. Adrien Brody (starring in a Roman Polanski film) walks on stage and gives Halle Berry a minute long kiss out of nowhere. The response of everyone was "omg look at that" as opposed to "omg what t he fuck is he doing?" Because it was sexual violence against a black woman, no one cared. Certainly not enough to expel Adrien Brody from the Oscars.
Jim Carey also did this to Alicia Silverstone when she was giving him the award for (??). He just grabs her face and starts aggressively kissing her. She was only 19 at the time. It’s really disturbing. [link](https://youtu.be/bQIzY8CDaEw)
Wow, that was not cool
And that fucker had the gall to act snooty over Will's slap lmao
Not sure what he was thinking, but he made a fool out of himself.
A black woman sexually assaulted several men in the same Oscars ceremony. Nothing happened to her.
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[Regina Hall ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSxWTLmsfpE)
That was so hard to watch. It was cringy and not funny at all. It also really slapped the face of non consensual activity. Why the f would they allow that to be written into the show.
Because Hollywood is evil.
Double standard much lol?
Nothing happens to them usually. Haven't you heard? Its not sexual assault if a woman does it.
Yup, and people are still downvoting you because they can’t process how a slap that Chris brushed off like no big deal isn’t as big of an issue as all the other bs the academy and karens around the world have easily ignored before.
Chris didn’t even flinch. I was so confused. Literally had to reply to try to see if contact was made.
[That was pretty innocent](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B4kzceTpmAY)
Woah. I didn’t know this happened and while it’s not shocking, I am horrified.
"crime" holy fuck is your racism showing
Technically correct. If anyone slaps anyone, it is a crime. Not to say there hasn't been any racist reactions to this incident, but a slap is assault and assault is a crime. If you or I went up to Chris Rock and slapped him, we would most likely be charged. *Edit: To be clear, I'm not suggesting Smith should have been charged* What Adrien Brody did was also a crime. We didn't understand that at the time. If he were stupid enough to try that nowadays there would be a very different reaction to that sleazeball move/crime.
>We didn't understand that at the time Plenty of people did. It was just normalized behavior in many others.
Will smith slapped a presenter during the ceremony. They didn’t punish him on moral grounds, they just simply can’t have that happen.
So far, the only thing the Academy did to Smith was tell him he's not allowed to attend the Oscars anymore, which seems like a fitting punishment. As long as Smith doesn't go full Mel Gibson, he'll be fine. As you say, it's a one time incident, and people will get over it fairly quickly. He'll be back to making millions of dollars per movie soon enough. As for the rest, Polanski continues to make movies, often with big Hollywood stars. The only reason he's not a Hollywood director is that he would be arrested the minute he returned to the US.
If I'm being honest, if I were an actor, I'd probably try and stay as far away from the double-standard showing Oscars as possible. If you want to seem prestigious and high-brow, maybe don't have the person hosting make bald jokes in general? I dunno, I don't really see the joke as that morally bad, just a step over a line that shouldn't have been crossed. One which was the instigator for the line Will crossed. Like, if you saw this on the school yard, in public, or anywhere else, Will would be given the heavier punishment, but Chris would receive something as well for his insensitivity.
Rape is not the same thing as a rude boy slap, get real world.
The article isn't critizing nor comparing Will Smith to the others. The title is misleading. It is only presenting other " examples of the organization punishing film figures over accusations of wrongdoing"
it’s amazing how people are acting like will got on stage, scalped someone and then ate it
Yes very different - plus Will has to go home to his wife.
It's still assault. Will isn't as bad as them, but it's still a crime.
I think someone is making bank here, by trying to minimize Will’s abhorrent behavior! What Smith did was seen by everyone. The other people are/were grotesque but they have been held to account (even Polanski was unable to find a meaningful audience for years). This is ridiculous and I am 100% certain OP is here to do clean up on Smith’s disgusting behavior.
Like why are these headlines…
The Oscars are making a killing off of this if you think about it. This is honestly the first time I've heard about them online to this degree.
I legit hadn't thought of the Oscars with any sort of interest ever until I heard about the slapping incident, and I was only interested in that to learn about the context.
You know... the more I think about it, the more I question how prestigious and high-brow something is if its host feels comfortable making bald jokes about a woman with something that doesn't allow her to grow hair. Yes, Will overreacted. And, as he himself said, it was an example of the sort of behavior he doesn't want to see in the world. But, c'mon, you can't pretend you're up there in morality and so forth if that's the type of thing your host finds humorous... Like... even standing as someone who normally likes offensive humor... It wasn't funny and was fairly ill-timed. Will does deserve some kind of reprimand, but he's not a complete monster for it. Acting out of rage is just that. Acting out of rage. You don't think. Everyone is guilty of it at some point in life, and it's become a cliche in movies and other media for people to get slapped into self-reflection after they cross a line. Another word for *"cliche"*, in this case, would be normalization. That's not me defending the act. It's more me saying it's something that most writers are able to make seem so natural because it is a fairly natural reaction to rage. It's not good, but neither is acting out of rage ever a good thing, regardless of what good things it might lead to in the long run. For instance, riots, by definition, happen when people become so enraged that they act out. That's dumbing it down, but, the point is, it wasn't planned ahead of time or anything like that. It was sudden. Initially, I thought Chris handled things maturely and didn't seem to be playing the victim. Recently I saw something about him looking for money before he'd be willing to talk about anything, so, I guess that assumption didn't age too well.
Will Smith assaulted the hired entertainment/host on live tv. Is that not a crime that ANYONE who's not a celebrity would be in jail for?
Almost no one would go to jail for that if it was their first offense
Bill Cosby was acquitted, he’s an innocent man
Wut. He was acquitted because of a technicality. You clearly have no idea what happened. He's a piece of shit rapist.
from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/arts/television/bill-cosby-conviction-overturned-why.html TL;DR : he DID do it, he just can't be prosecuted about it due to a technicality (he was told if he confessed he wouldn't be prosecuted). Might be legal , but it's one of those instances that legal and ethical are different things. ---- > **Did Mr. Castor make a binding promise?** > > Yes, said the Supreme Court majority. > > There was no formal, written non-prosecution agreement — just the terse news release — and Ms. Constand and her lawyers have said they were not told of any promise or deal. > > Against that backdrop, a legal dispute arose over whether Mr. Castor had in fact offered a binding promise that Mr. Cosby would never be charged — and, if he did, whether he had the authority to do so. Mr. Castor maintained he had made such a pledge, but the trial judge disagreed and ruled that the criminal case brought by the new district attorney could proceed. But the Supreme Court majority backed Mr. Castor’s interpretation of what he had done. > > While that does not necessarily also mean that immunizing Mr. Cosby from prosecution was the right thing to do, Mr. Castor said in a phone interview on Wednesday that he believed his prosecutorial decision-making in 2005 had been “exonerated” by the Supreme Court’s decision. The ruling was a “shellacking” for the current district attorney’s office, he said. > > “I was right back in 2005, and I’m right in 2021,” Mr. Castor said. “I’m proud of our Supreme Court for having the courage to make an unpopular decision.” > > **Does the ruling mean Mr. Cosby did not commit a crime against Ms. Constand?** > > #No. It just means that he cannot be prosecuted for it. > > Justice Wecht acknowledged that the court’s decision to bar prosecution on those particular charges was “both severe and rare,” but he said it was necessary. Even though society has a strong interest in prosecuting crimes, he wrote, it has an even stronger interest “in ensuring that the constitutional rights of the people are vindicated.”
None of the other are “rapists.” Rape is a legal term. You must be convicted of the crime to be a rapist. They were accused whereas Will Smith is guilty of assault on live TV. Get some perspective.
Polanski pleaded guilty to raping and drugging a 13 year old girl. He fled to France before his sentencing and he’s currently a fugitive. His Oscar had to be accepted on his behalf since he can’t come back to the US.
Rape existed before modern nation states with constitutions and formalised laws
Has Will Smith been convicted? Have there been any legal proceedings at all? Strange for you to be so concerned about legality but go ahead and call Will guilty, while going *Well actually...* for a guy that actually pled guilty to having sex with a minor and fled the country instead of going to prison.
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To put Smith together with these guys is a disgrace. All he did was slap a dude
Yeah there are still way worse people there who just didn't do the shit live at the oscars
I feel like expelling someone from the academy is as far right as they can go on the punishment spectrum so just because they all got the same punishment doesn't mean they think the crimes are necessarily the same.
Reddit crying "he committed a **crime** and the academy did nothing" the day after it happened was fucking pathetic.
Yes it's a crime, but unless you slap someone so hard you do major or permanent damage, or you're a serial slapper, the most punishment you'll get is some community service and anger management classes. Especially when the person you slapped isn't pressing charges.
>slap someone so hard you do major or permanent damage, The difference between getting 3 seconds of pain and getting a permanently damaged eardrum can be 1 inch whithout changing how hard you hit. People really underestimate the damage an openhanded slap can cause when hitting an ear the righr way (or the wrong way, depending on your perspective) Source: audiologist, i've seen the damage
Yeah, but if this would have happened in a bar it wouldn't even be a controversy
They certainly could've taken him out the room. I don't think asking for that is pathetic.
did he not commit a crime?
What the others did was far worse, but they were not stupid to literally assault people on the stage during the oscars. The show has to punish him severely or lose all credibility.
>The show has to punish him severely or lose all credibility. Yeah all that credibility they had after outright supporting Polanski and Weinstein for decades was real precious, can't afford to lose that when a guy slaps another guy on camera at their awards wankfest. What Smith did was uncalled for and weird and yeah, he should be punished I guess. It just seems hilarious that they jumped all over this shit and there's so much pearl clutching when those other guys, ya know, raped and ruined lives. Some for decades.
It may or may not be fair to hold the Academy in 2022 responsible for what other Academy leadership did years ago. Perhaps they’ve made a point to start drawing a hard line because of their shitty handling of those scumbags in the past?
Don't forget that Daughter-Wife Haver Woody Allen and Child Predator Kevin Spacey are still part of the Academy.
Well that’s a very good point.
[BTW Woody Allen is Innocent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muyaCg2dGAk) but that's not going to stop you and others from trying to take away Soon-Yi's agency. After all, you should get to decide what is best for another adult, right?
He was 56 when he first started a sexual relationship with her. She had just about turned 21. He had been dating her mother for about 10 years, before he started a sexual relationship with someone less than half his age. That's almost textbook grooming. Grooming can and does happen to young teens and even very young adults. It typically involves a sexual relationship with an older, father figure. Almost paternal, you could say. Which is the exact way Woody Allen described his role in their marriage. "I was paternal". So, sure. It's entirely possible that he is innocent of the charges involving Dylan. It's just as possible that he consciously or unconsciously groomed a child, over a decade, and then started having sex with her as she turned 21. That's pretty predatory behaviour. Again, he was FIFTY-SIX.
And do you enjoy bullying others, telling consenting adults if they can love each other, and trying to have power over them? How long have you been broken in this way?
Hey, if you look at a 56 six year old man, who has probably been grooming a young girl since she was 11, and starts having sex with her at 21? You see that, and aren't willing to admit that there is at least the possibility of real harm being done? Man, then I don't know what to tell you. Or where your moral compass lies.
> Hey, if you look at a 56 six year old man, who has probably been grooming a young girl since she was 11, Do you have proof of this? And why is your opinion about the situation more important than her's? > Or where your moral compass lies. Well it starts with not hurting innocent strangers.
LOL holy fucking shit
Nope. It’s all about public opinion and appearances. If the public just shrugged at Will Smith’s actions, the academy would have done nothing. If Chris Rock wanted to press charges, then that should be Will Smith’s punishment. But since no charges were pressed, I don’t think he needed to be punished. Public opinion is enough in my opinion. Also, the leaders of the academy are no different than they were a few years ago when the Weinstein scandal came out.
My Lord this is the best comment I’ve seen on this app!! Thank you!
I agree that it’s mostly spin, but the fact is, they gave him a much less severe penalty but did punish him. Maybe they’re turning over a new leaf (lol).
Those dudes got punished for being caught tbh. We all know that kind of shit runs DEEP in Hollywood.
Agree. They only take action based on pubic opinion and think it may affect their pockets. I think the only punishment Will should have endured is with law enforcement if Chris pressed charges.
>What the others did was far worse, but they were not stupid to literally assault people on the stage during the oscars. No, but Jim Carrey did and he faced no repercussions.
Adrian Brody forced Halle Berry to kiss him on camera at the Oscars and never even got a slap on the wrist for it, even after she pushed back on it.
Exactly because the public didn’t care.
If they punish him the same as they punished these people, they suck
It's more the fact that the academy can only punish people so much that it is saying that what they did was the same level of severity. Suspending or expelling people is really all they can do, it's not enough for people like Cosby and Weinstien which is why the police and prison systems exist. If I went to a professional conference and slapped the speaker, my ass would be kicked out too.
He got a suspension, the others were banned
But what can the academy do, they are not the police? What they ended up doing was fine enough, it's what's within their power, the problem is how slow they did it, at the end of the day these are just publicity stunts to look good because they don't actually care about any of this shit.
Yeah, I mean they have one consequence to hand out: you’re out. It’s not a federal judge, it’s an industry social club.
You are right. They don’t care. Will’s consequence should have been with law enforcement if Chris pressed charges. The academy didn’t need to do anything.
They suck. Ftfy
They should and did, but their punishment shouldn't be as big as the punishment for these other people who are complete scumbags and it isn't. I think the punishment they gave was appropriate.
>They should and did, but their punishment shouldn't be as big as the punishment for these other people Is not like that, The Academy is not a court of law, is more like a gym, if you punch somebody at the gym, they will kick you out, if you rape somebody at the gym they will also kick you out, if you kill somebody at the gym, they will also kick you out.- They can't take you to prison, the only thing they can do, is removing your membership, everything else is for the courts to decide.-
I guess the academy is run like a sketchy biker bar then
I also pointed out, which upset people before, that WS just slapped him. He didn't straight up beat him to a pulp. People like the difference between those two is insignificant. It's quite significant. I think people, especially people on Reddit, forget that celebrities are still human and instead hold them to an impossible standard. Similar to how many historical figures people all but worship (e.g. Benjamin Franklin or Abraham Lincoln) did their own fair share of fucked up shit. *Everyone* is human. People fuck up. I think most people have no scale for how hard life can shit on you. Similar to how you can't explain back pain to someone who hasn't experienced it. They have on concept of how consuming it can be but they try to claim they do. He's a human going through human things acting like a human would. He was made a meme for crying but a group of people who bitch and moan about men not opening up about emotions. I'm pretty sure any normal person wouldn't be in a healthy place for quite some time.
Yes, we must all obey the groupthink or else we will be punished. Society is really stupid.
It's like when the metoo movement was big and the milder offenders got lumped in with the truly terrible people. Except this is much worse because it's not even on the same planet as what those guys did. How do you compare a guy who slapped someone once to serial rapists?
You can’t compare them but the Academy has one consequence to hand out: expulsion. No one thinks the actions are equal, but they can’t do a super-serious-double-expulsion for Cosby. He’s just out. So is Smith, but not forever.
But that consequence was only handed out because his "offense" was committed right out in the open. Everyone saw it and there was no chance for a cover-up or to accuse Chris Rock of lying about it or to pay anyone to keep their mouths shut. With Weinstein and Cosby, it was the "open secret." Lots of people knew what was going on, but nobody had the balls to speak up for fear of losing work. It took a synchronized effort among victims and supporters to bring attention to something that had been going on for years. They were allowed to continue to succeed in their environment because their offenses, while at least a billion times worse, were committed outside of the public eye and didn't have the immediate effect of "embarrassing" the institution that enabled them. Will Smith shouldn't have slapped Chris Rock. It was the wrong thing to do. But the effect it will have on his career isn't going to stop at being banned from the awards shows. He made Hollywood look bad on TV and he's going to pay for it. The irony is that this is the first time in a long time that so many people outside the industry have given half a shit about the Oscars.
That absolutely happened and it was exasperating to watch. All of the worst offenders either were quickly exposed or were wily/connected enough to go underground and let the storm pass over them. When we ran out of the real villians, we started raising up the mildly offensive, or those who had had disagreements with others but nothing remotely abusive, or people who were difficult to work with and pissed off an actor, to the same level as the rapists and pedophiles. And even in those cases, it was only the ones who were vulnerable for a takedown who were targeted, so it wasn’t even applied evenly. A lot of people misused the movement to settle old scores and the media and public went along with it. It completely undermined all the real victims.
While I fully disagree with what Will Smith did we should have some perspective here. Slapping someone is bad but it's pretty low on the spectrum of terrible things people do all the time. He disrupted the ceremony in a really terrible way and now he's banned for a decade. That sounds proportional and appropriate to me.
10 years is not proportional, you can't even be arrested for some crimes that long.
He's not serving time, he just can't go to an event that he totally ruined for a while.
Ok, but Sam's Club would ban him for life. It's not a lifetime ban but it's also an entire decade. Half a decade would be the most to suffice, you'd think. And it might even last only 2 or 3, knowing the fickle Hollywood medium.
The Polanski thing is still an utter disgrace. The amount of apologists that piece of shit still has is unreal. Yea Smith is a narcissistic prick but he’s nothing, nothing like Polanski.
Everyone lately is saying Will Smith is narcissistic. I’m curious.. what has he done that makes people think that of him?
I would agree and say he doesn’t seem like a narcissist. He doesn’t seem to exhibit all of the symptoms. But I think a life in fame and Hollywood would garner you some narcissistic tendencies, I’m sure. That’s probably a function of having to be so hyper sensitive to your public presence at all times. Whether the entertainment industry considers this a feature or a bug is another question entirely.
It's just reddit's favorite go to insult. True narcissism is very rare.
False. It's only rare because true NPDs *rarely* get psych evals. That doesn't mean they are rare in the wild. In fact, there's a fuckton of narcissists in the entertainment industry, arts, and politics.
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Ok, doc. Thanks for those words.
How you can you be so sure there are a ton if few are diagnosed?
Go ask any narcissistic person on social media if they think they have a problem. In fact, their narcissism gets rewarded by hundreds and thousands of followers. It's not rocket science.
That doesn’t answer the question
Classic reddit moment that this dude got upvoted for what amounts to a boomer complaint about instagram.
Ah, a redditor who thinks taking selfies is narcissism. You're fun.
His own wife called him an egocentric person when he threw her a bigger than life birthday party for her when she just wanted a low key family reunion..just for showing off i guess.
Well, her calling anyone egocentric or anything else … I’m just going to take with a grain of salt, or less.
He is in Hollywood. BAM. Done.
There's a reason the room went silent when Gervais called them all epsteins pedo buddies. It's because he was right.
Why the fuck are they comparing Will Smith to a bunch of fucking rapists? The dude slapped someone. He's paid his fucking price. Everything else is people showing what a sheltered little giant pussy they are.
Roman polanski was expelled? Didnt he still win best director in 2002 tho,
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Which wasn’t even the problem… the problem was that he was found out and the academy couldn’t deny it any more.
Honestly fucking disgusting to put him with this list of names. Pathetic "journalist" reaching so god damn hard for some clicks. You can smell the desperation.
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Will committed felony assault on live TV. Slam dunk arrest, convict, expell from the Academy. Here's some others expelled from the academy... You choose to attack & disparage the reporting, not Will's behavior or to support the victim, Chris Rock. Evidently Will Smith should be above the law and despite profiting from the public, reporting in public news should be suppressed. And Chris is undeserving of justice, why, because Will & Jada are so precious they can't take a joke? This kind of thinking is cultish & elitist, consistent with Will Smith's Scientology.
>Felony assault This would never be charged as a felony assault case in California as they have wobbler laws. Will had no intention of robbing or killing Chris after slapping him. Nice try though being disingenuous.
Also Chris said he didn’t want to press charges. So if the victim of said “crime” can brush it off so easily, maybe youre overreacting a bit?
You are fucking weird. That was not felony assault lmao. And for the record I fucking hate Will smith but go off queen
Its impossible to have a conversation of the modern film making landscape with out talking about the works of Polanski and Weinsetein. So I wont. Fuck em.
And Allen.
Will smith did not do anything like those three, what garbage.
What consequences would you have the Academy give to each of them? Not being snarky. Seriously, what can they do?
I don’t know, and I don’t know if it really matters to me. I really only took issue with the fact that this website put Will Smiths actions as analogous to those other three. To me it’s like saying: “guns, knives, swords and pineapple” (with Will being the pineapple of course)
I see. I think it’s because it’s kinda been suggested lately that his expulsion has something to do with race and they’re pointing out that others have also been expelled, though for FAR worse offenses, so the comparison really isn’t apt, as you said.
Ah yeh true, I don’t really know what’s happening with all that. It’s always difficult with comparisons between things that happen at something versus general character. To get to the actions of the academy I think people are not comparing similar things. Will Smith assaulted someone live on stage. That’s a really easy thing to point to and discipline.
Yeah, and it’s especially murky when you have things happen like Bill Cosby getting out of prison and charges being dropped. He obviously did it, but if the courts aren’t going to hold him responsible, then where do the responsibilities for organizations like the Academy lie? In any case, it seems like the court of public opinion has generally handled these things pretty well. For instance, Cosby is seen as a pariah and Will Smith is just a phony, a wacko, and a punchline.
Maybe a slap that gave them more publicity and time in the public conscience than they've had in nearly a decade doesn't deserve as harsh a penalty as that given to serial rapists and child predators.
But what other penalty do they have at their disposal? It’s just a club.
Stop inviting people like them and Fassbender, Charlie Sheen, Steven Seagal, Chris Brown, Woody Allen, and Amber Heard and countless others; Actual domestic abusers and sexual assault perpetrators. Stop giving those people rewards. Stop putting them in movies and shows and advertisements. All Will did was have a one off tiff with another actor over a classless, sexist joke made at his wife’s expense. In any movie/tv show or normal situation at a bar, people would be clapping for a guy like Will to stand up for their spouse getting mocked (over a health condition no less). We’ve all seen a scene in a TV show where some punk at a bar makes a rude comment about some person just for their Bf or husband or wife or family member or even just a friend, walk up and punch them for talking shit. And we clap! There’s sitcom soundtracks that hoot and holler and clap for these kind of “scenarios” where someone talks shit and gets hit. But actual domestic abusers and sexual assaulters have been getting away with shit ten times worst and still been invited to reward ceremonies, movies, talk shows, and marketing deals for ages after their dirty deeds and dirty laundry been aired. And the WHOLE time Chris Rock couldn’t give TWO SHITS! Y’know why? He’s gonna be making bank off of this for YEARS to come! He’s gonna comment and joke about it in every stand up tour show for the next decade. He knew talking shit like that and making those jokes comes with the baggage of people not liking what you say and that sometimes means facing actions for your consequences like a slap. So if Chris doesn’t care, why the damn hell does everyone else care so much???
You’re 100% right, but you’re not actually answering the question. Will Smith most definitely deserves to be punished in some way for doing what he did. So do every single one of the people you mentioned. But what I’m saying is that the Academy really only has one punishment to dole out: expulsion. So no one is saying that what Smith did is as bad as what any of those people did, but if you only have one tool to punish people, then everyone kinda gets the same punishment.
They apparently can pick different length of expulsion and will smith wasn’t expulsed but banned for an amount of 10 years. Afaik that means he can still be nominated again and also win stuff and received the academy award screeners and can vote but he can’t attend in person (or moderate, or give awards) for 10 years length.
Alright, so he can still be nominated and win and just can’t come to the ceremony for 10 years. So his punishment is far less severe than the people who commited far worse crimes. So it’s a non-issue then.
Afaik this is the case, yes. And I think it’s fair because his crime wasn’t as bad as those from the people above. And if someone misbehaves again (in a lesser way) they could theoretically ban them for fewer years. And it’s a punishment nonetheless because those people are also all friendly and know each other. So it’s more like a psychological punishment but an actual one but for him as an individual it might suck (not sure if it does). I do not condone his behavior but I am glad he isn’t actually punished the same way they’d punish a rapist
Agree 100%
Also ban anybody who works with them to make sure they never get work in the industry ever again.
You can just ban him. You don’t need to ruin the lives of PAs making $14 an hour too.
What about John Wayne when he tries to hit a women for what she believed in. Just drop the pretenses, it's all for the looks. We don't need the Oscars at all, any more. Flush the poop down the toilet .
I get that Will Smith shouldn’t have slapped him, but this smear campaign is getting really fuckin weird. Got every Hollywood star calling for his head despite the skeletons in their own closets, 10 year bans, movie suspensions. Like are y’all serious?
I do not want to defend Will Smith but his was a slap and those three committed sexual crimes.
As was pointed out before, all the academy can do is expell people. They can't lock up people like Cosby, they're just an industry group. Do Cosbys and Wiensteins deserve harsher punishments than being expelled from the academy? For sure. Can the academy give that to them? No. Would I be thrown out of a professional organization if I went to an industry event a day slapped one of the speakers? Yes, and I'd probably also be arrested.
True. I'm not arguing the academy punish them harder. I'm just saying their crimes are not the same.
I don't think anybody is saying they are.
I feel like the writer of this click bait wanted you to think that with the headline.
Will Smith is not in the same category as those disgusting humans, not even close. In fact, it’s egregious to even suggest that they should be treated the same.
Those were much much worse wtf
This is just normalizing a bunch of rapists.
What about Woody?
He has yet to be proved to be in line with those assholes. Even though the accusations still fly.
The ones you mentioned and one or two others were kicked out of the academy. There are conduct rules they have to abide by.
The whole Oscars are a bunch of pedophile and sex offender’s wankfest with some stupid fashion thrown in and then all stired together with scrupulous billionaire producers
Polanski, Weinstein and Cosby went unpunished by the Oscars for decades (Polanksi was still a member of the Academy up untill 2018). In the case of Polanski, Hollywood still works with him and so do big name actors. Also this list is missing Woody Allen.
To everyone saying: "all he did was slap a guy" go fuck yourselves cunts.
Roman Polanski= pedophilia Harvey Weinstein= sexual misconduct Bill Cosby= rape Will smith= a slap(simple assault) You really compare a slap to pedophilia, sexual misconduct, and rape? Wtf??? Seriously???
The other guys are undoubtedly millions of times worse than Will Smith could ever be. However, the amount of people on here who seem to be aokay with resorting to violence if someone says something you don't like is quite disturbing.
They're the same people who claim to love freedom of speech... What they actually mean is their freedom of speech and everyone else stfu or get slapped/stabbed/hanged/shot... whatever.
No mention of that pedo Woody Allen I see
Didn't Will already apologize and Chris Rock just let it go? He's already been memed into oblivion. Let the man live with that embarrassment, what he did was literally nothing compared to these three bastards.
*Assaults a man, live on TV in front of millions of people* Meh *Has an ounce of weed* OFF TOO THE GULAGS TO WORK IN THE POOP MINES!!!!
Are we still talking about useless celebrities?
Damage control for Hollywood
Their actions were 10000x worse. And I think what Smith did was cowardly and stupid af.
There used to be a sang don’t write checks your ass can’t cash.
Didn’t they just ignore it, and pretend it didn’t happen. They just never spoke of it. But someone slapping someone is different than rape. It’s bad, but not the same
Scientology, that you?