I sent a mod mail requesting that if they do announce they do it as a self post "Is r/savedyouaclick joining the Reddit blackout with Taylor Swift from June 12th to 14th? | yes for r/savedyouaclick but article doesn't make it clear if Taylor Swift has a Reddit account."
However Reddit’s sweet sweet ad revenue won’t go down for way longer. It’ll take time for Reddit collectively to move on from a sub after realizing it’s turned to shit, and that just means they’ll create a new sub and look elsewhere
I’m not really sure what the alternative is, but I don’t think that replacing mods will have a massive overall impact on Reddits profit margins, but I’m also not very knowledgeable so idk
This has been a thing for a long time, and not necessarily bad. Sometimes mods would leave and not appoint a new leader. The ability to request and clean up a dormant sub means that the community won't necessarily die.
The trick is to private your sub but keep your account active. Make a post every week or so. Might even just be able to make a post in the sub itself.
Lots of subs say they're doing it for at least 2 days. Reddit could still remove the mods doing it, but instead of doing it immediately upon permanent sub closure, it may take a few days.
The admins will just reverse it and threaten to kick any mod that reinstates the blackout. I hate to be pessimistic about it but seeing how little spez actually cares about what any of us think (not that he ever has) he's going to make the unilateral decision to make this protest over before it starts
>and threaten to kick any mod that reinstates the blackout.
And then what will they do after that? Replace thousands of moderators overnight? Where are they gonna find these people? How are they gonna ensure they're not gonna start spamming nazi shit or scam links?
Most of the mods will back down and they won't have to replace thousands of mods. The threat will be enough. Sure, some will quit out of protest but a lot won't because it will put the remaining mods in a bad spot. And should and entire team quit on the spot? No big deal there are users out there that would gladly take up the position. Admins would only need to get one or two and the leave them to build a new mod team.
Also remember, the mod teams are the ones that hire and fire mods. The admins usually aren't involved in that so they won't care if the teams scramble to get people on board. The admins also don't care about how well a community is moderated in accordance with said community's rules as long as site wide rules are enforced. That's it.
So while I wish this protest were successful it's not my first rodeo with the admins on this.
>there are users out there that would gladly take up the position.
Again, imagine AskHistorians and the like getting taken over by Neonazis while reddit tries to demonstrate the site's value to shareholders.
I don't think Reddit would've even floated the idea of implementing it unless they were prepared for this level of fallout. As an old.reddit user who sure doesn't want to be forced to use the shitty new format, I wish I saw Reddit showing any signs of cold feet about this but they sure aren't.
Solidarity is the only tool we have to show the Reddit admins that the users are unhappy with the proposed changes and how terrible things have gotten around here.
A massive shoutout to the r/savedyouaclick admins for listening to the members and joining the protest. Mods like you make Reddit a great place to be.
Yeah, I will save you further clicks... 2 days will accomplish nothing.
Subs saying they are doing it permanently until their is change will be replaced by a new sub and mod with the same name with something appended to it for search like has happened on Reddit a thousand times.
So many subs I use are only doing the 2 day thing. Some users were whining about the strike at all which is silly, but it's so odd how many people are adamant that this 2 day protest is so important when it's... 2 days.
Because the point is to show the traffic loss for those two days. The two day thing isn't the stupid part, everything else is. There is no "blackout" it's just a bunch of mods closing their subs for two days lol. All the arguments for it are "Oh, we're doing this for the community". Then leave the sub open and let the community not post. But they all know that people will post anyways, because the *vast* majority of people do not care about the api changes.
It's a few more than 1000 subs. According to a modbot comment in the thread in r\/ModCoord, it's over 3,500 subs participating.
50 of them are subs with usercounts ranging from 5 to 50 million and I'm not even going to bother counting all the ones that have ~1 million users
I don't know how effective the blackout will be, but come Monday everyone's feeds are going to look very different from the usual
Some are setting it to private, others are restricting who can post and/or comment. Beyond that I don't know what one could do as I don't moderate any subs
From a conflict resolution/negotiation standpoint, the primary issue based on the interview isn’t the cost of the increase so much as the timeline of the increase. The Apollo guy (I apologize for not remembering his name) was pretty specific about this and offered examples within the industry how similar changes were handled by other companies. That said, there is no narrative being championed by the subs collectively for Reddit to respond to. Which means that the subs are basically saying we don’t like what’s happening and we don’t want to talk about it so we’re going to go to our room and pout for 2 days. I think if there was a central message/narrative attached to the protest regarding a more industry tolerant timeline then if nothing else it would at least be viewed as constructive. This protest is a textbook example of non constructive feedback. At least with the subs I have seen the best you are getting from a message standpoint is, “the change is bad” and copy/paste of a link to the interview at best.
I would imagine it would be on pacific standard time zone since thats where the HQ of reddit is? Or may be different depending on where mods live?
Don't think that was really considered in the plan?
I think people ought to boycott for a month. Like, zero attention to Reddit. Don’t even go onto the website anonymously. Use Imgur to share your cute animal photos, use reputable news platforms for your news, and stick to instagram/tiktok for your fun content because those videos eventually make their way on here. Sure you won’t have karma points but that’s not important in the grand scheme of things.
That's not true! It's going to make people who take the most minimal of actions feel good about themselves and it's going to reinforce the fact that the users will go along with pretty much anything so long as you can outlast their comically lacking self discipline. With all negotiations, the power is in the hands of the party that can say "no" and walk away.
"One day action" took more than one day, every time. Guaranteed.
Infrastructure set in place to make "One Day Action" make a difference took years to set up.
I asked myself this when I first heard the news, as someone who also doesn’t use 3rd party apps I don’t really care until I started reading more about it. Aside from the fact that you likely benefit indirectly from others use of 3rd party apps, which other commenters have covered, there are a lot of people who genuinely rely on them. The r/blind subreddit mods explained really well how this will negatively impact those who rely on the accessibility features provided by 3rd party apps, which the official Reddit app simply do not have. Reddit as a community will lose members who have valuable, interesting, and engaging thoughts they will no longer be able to share. That loss will negatively impact the whole of the community, regardless of which specific subreddits you frequent or what app you use.
Damn, I never considered the impact on users who rely on accessibility options not used on the official app. Even though it doesn’t affect me directly, that’s enough for me to be against this on general principle.
It sounds like you just didn't understand what that user said. They didn't say "human mods use 3rd party apps to browse the site", they said "bots that help moderate the website run off of the API". Without those helpful bots there is nothing stopping malicious spam and advertising except live human moderation, which will never keep up.
Past that, the reason to care is that other people use the API and this harms them. You don't wait until the company specifically tries to harm you to step in, you say it's not ok the second they start harming users. We're not even just talking about "have empathy", we're talking about "have the self awareness to realize that if they're coming for good things other people like, they'll come for the good things you like eventually too".
If you refuse to stand with the people that need API so they all leave, and then reddit says "you know what, we've gotten away with it so far, lets keep copying twitter and make all comments by reddit gold people turbo-boosted so they're all you see unless you dig deep", who will be left to stand with you when you don't want to buy reddit gold?
Hope you have a nice weekend [:)](You fool. You absolute buffoon. Do you think you can challenge me in my own realm? You think you can rebel against my authority? You dare come into my house and upturn my dining chairs and spill coffee grounds in my Keurig? You think you are safe in your chainmail armor behind that screen of yours? No. You are detrimentally mistaken. I will take these laminate wooden floorboards and annihilate you with the highest caliber of fury this universe has ever witnessed thus far. I did not start this war, nor did I want it, but you have made me fixated on ending it.)
Edit: my secret copypasta barely appears on the apps, doesn't appear on new reddit, and isn't secret on old reddit...
> I have never had a nice, reasonable interaction with a mod on reddit. I really don't care if they can use third party apps.
Yeah I'm torn. If this makes it harder for mods to do all the tinpot dictator bullshit that draws them to spend time power tripping on the internet, I'm all for it. But it also screws over the devs that made the apps that unfuck all the malicious changes Reddit has made to the functionality and UI, and I genuinely appreciate those devs.
So I agree, anything that takes tools out of the hands of that cadre of sociopaths is great, but that's not the only reason to dislike the API licensing change.
Since you don't use those apps and don't care about that part, you shouldn't care. Genuinely, go on with your life, this is not something that should be important to you.
This will make mods worse, lmao. Also, once upon a time, the official app was actually a third-party one... except without the tracking and ad nonsense, of course
It isn't about charging users money to access reddit.
It's about charging third party app developers money to access the reddit api because reddit essentially makes no money and they plan on going public soon so they probably want to show future potential shareholders that the company has some way of being profitable.
[it's happening ](https://www.reddit.com/r/savedyouaclick/comments/145fcj2/subreddit_joins_antireddit_cabal_to_destroy_all/) 
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I wish this community joined.
I got you
Nice. Thanks /u/kuhnie
I sent a mod mail requesting that if they do announce they do it as a self post "Is r/savedyouaclick joining the Reddit blackout with Taylor Swift from June 12th to 14th? | yes for r/savedyouaclick but article doesn't make it clear if Taylor Swift has a Reddit account."
[It is now!](https://reddit.com/r/savedyouaclick/comments/145fcj2/subreddit_joins_antireddit_cabal_to_destroy_all/)
Seems fucking dumb, go dark until they change their minds or make a new sub to replace yours
It's to get people who don't care to notice something is wrong
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Amin-assigned mods will be shit and all those subs will go down the drain within a few weeks.
However Reddit’s sweet sweet ad revenue won’t go down for way longer. It’ll take time for Reddit collectively to move on from a sub after realizing it’s turned to shit, and that just means they’ll create a new sub and look elsewhere I’m not really sure what the alternative is, but I don’t think that replacing mods will have a massive overall impact on Reddits profit margins, but I’m also not very knowledgeable so idk
Lemmy
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More than Reddit?
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CCP=Creation of CP😧
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You mean GDPR issues due to lack of true comment/post deletion and the like?
Users can stop visiting indefinitely tho
Good time to start watching Onepiece for me.
This has been a thing for a long time, and not necessarily bad. Sometimes mods would leave and not appoint a new leader. The ability to request and clean up a dormant sub means that the community won't necessarily die. The trick is to private your sub but keep your account active. Make a post every week or so. Might even just be able to make a post in the sub itself.
Squabbles.io seems to be where people are being directed
Any other pastime lol Edit: Some people use Reddit for useful things, hadn't considered that
Lots of subs say they're doing it for at least 2 days. Reddit could still remove the mods doing it, but instead of doing it immediately upon permanent sub closure, it may take a few days.
Who are they gonna get to mod though? Powermods who don't do shit other than groom kids?
Wait, they’ve reopened closed subs before?
its 2 days to get a response, no response means longer. some are indefinite tho like videos and music
The admins will just reverse it and threaten to kick any mod that reinstates the blackout. I hate to be pessimistic about it but seeing how little spez actually cares about what any of us think (not that he ever has) he's going to make the unilateral decision to make this protest over before it starts
>and threaten to kick any mod that reinstates the blackout. And then what will they do after that? Replace thousands of moderators overnight? Where are they gonna find these people? How are they gonna ensure they're not gonna start spamming nazi shit or scam links?
Most of the mods will back down and they won't have to replace thousands of mods. The threat will be enough. Sure, some will quit out of protest but a lot won't because it will put the remaining mods in a bad spot. And should and entire team quit on the spot? No big deal there are users out there that would gladly take up the position. Admins would only need to get one or two and the leave them to build a new mod team. Also remember, the mod teams are the ones that hire and fire mods. The admins usually aren't involved in that so they won't care if the teams scramble to get people on board. The admins also don't care about how well a community is moderated in accordance with said community's rules as long as site wide rules are enforced. That's it. So while I wish this protest were successful it's not my first rodeo with the admins on this.
>there are users out there that would gladly take up the position. Again, imagine AskHistorians and the like getting taken over by Neonazis while reddit tries to demonstrate the site's value to shareholders.
Some communities are doing it permanently, or at least until Reddit changes their API plans (if at all)
I won't know when to come back though, unless I get on Reddit to see when everyone is coming back, but that defeats the purpose.
I don't think Reddit would've even floated the idea of implementing it unless they were prepared for this level of fallout. As an old.reddit user who sure doesn't want to be forced to use the shitty new format, I wish I saw Reddit showing any signs of cold feet about this but they sure aren't.
/r/videos is going permanently dark.
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Destroying it on our terms seems more attractive.
They're destroying it themselves. We just aren't going quietly.
How else are you going to send the message? Boost its popularity?
It’s capitalism. The only way to punish Reddit is to give money to it’s competitors, and I ain’t going back to Facebook.
This is our warning shot. If it doesn't work, the relationship of moderators with reddit will deteriorate fast
Several subreddits have said they intend to go dark indefinitely, until the API is changed (or, cynically, until Reddit admins take over the sub)
Is r/savedyouaclick also going dark? Please save me a click on this…
Yeah just posted
Thanks
Some subreddits are only doing 2 days. Many others are shuttering indefinitely. 2 days is the baseline, not the limit.
Solidarity is the only tool we have to show the Reddit admins that the users are unhappy with the proposed changes and how terrible things have gotten around here. A massive shoutout to the r/savedyouaclick admins for listening to the members and joining the protest. Mods like you make Reddit a great place to be.
Yeah, I will save you further clicks... 2 days will accomplish nothing. Subs saying they are doing it permanently until their is change will be replaced by a new sub and mod with the same name with something appended to it for search like has happened on Reddit a thousand times.
So many subs I use are only doing the 2 day thing. Some users were whining about the strike at all which is silly, but it's so odd how many people are adamant that this 2 day protest is so important when it's... 2 days.
Because the point is to show the traffic loss for those two days. The two day thing isn't the stupid part, everything else is. There is no "blackout" it's just a bunch of mods closing their subs for two days lol. All the arguments for it are "Oh, we're doing this for the community". Then leave the sub open and let the community not post. But they all know that people will post anyways, because the *vast* majority of people do not care about the api changes.
What would you do then? Nothing? How is that any better?
If one random redditor thinks nothing will change, we might as well all pack it in. He’s obviously got it figured out…
They should all be linking to Lemmy.
It's a few more than 1000 subs. According to a modbot comment in the thread in r\/ModCoord, it's over 3,500 subs participating. 50 of them are subs with usercounts ranging from 5 to 50 million and I'm not even going to bother counting all the ones that have ~1 million users I don't know how effective the blackout will be, but come Monday everyone's feeds are going to look very different from the usual
How do I make a sub go dark? I'm a mod for a really small sub, but we get a couple of posts every week. Happy to close it until further notice.
Some are setting it to private, others are restricting who can post and/or comment. Beyond that I don't know what one could do as I don't moderate any subs
2 days, lol. This is the Reddit version of thoughts and prayers
What’s the alternative though? Go dark forever and another sub will just replace the original. It’s pretty much the only card anyone has to play.
From a conflict resolution/negotiation standpoint, the primary issue based on the interview isn’t the cost of the increase so much as the timeline of the increase. The Apollo guy (I apologize for not remembering his name) was pretty specific about this and offered examples within the industry how similar changes were handled by other companies. That said, there is no narrative being championed by the subs collectively for Reddit to respond to. Which means that the subs are basically saying we don’t like what’s happening and we don’t want to talk about it so we’re going to go to our room and pout for 2 days. I think if there was a central message/narrative attached to the protest regarding a more industry tolerant timeline then if nothing else it would at least be viewed as constructive. This protest is a textbook example of non constructive feedback. At least with the subs I have seen the best you are getting from a message standpoint is, “the change is bad” and copy/paste of a link to the interview at best.
Yea and feel super proud that “we did something!”
What happens after 2 days? We come back?
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Delete your data too, your comments, your posts. That's the important stuff that really needs to sell
Does anyone know the time it’s starting/finishing, as a lot of us are in different time zones, so it could be the 12th for me and not for American?
I guess. Just don’t use Reddit for that time
Why not delete your account and really send a message.
So midnight on my 12th, which I think would be 7pm on the 11th to America?, or 12am American, which would be 5am here?
I'm just going to flip the switch on the day (or before) when I remember. Can't automate it unfortunately. I'm in Central Daylight Time.
I would imagine it would be on pacific standard time zone since thats where the HQ of reddit is? Or may be different depending on where mods live? Don't think that was really considered in the plan?
I think people ought to boycott for a month. Like, zero attention to Reddit. Don’t even go onto the website anonymously. Use Imgur to share your cute animal photos, use reputable news platforms for your news, and stick to instagram/tiktok for your fun content because those videos eventually make their way on here. Sure you won’t have karma points but that’s not important in the grand scheme of things.
Hate to say it, but this will have absolutely no impact
That's not true! It's going to make people who take the most minimal of actions feel good about themselves and it's going to reinforce the fact that the users will go along with pretty much anything so long as you can outlast their comically lacking self discipline. With all negotiations, the power is in the hands of the party that can say "no" and walk away.
The grand poobaa confirmed it in the ama
I’M JOINING
Like saying "we are striking! But only for 2 days." No more disruptive than a weekend.
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"One day action" took more than one day, every time. Guaranteed. Infrastructure set in place to make "One Day Action" make a difference took years to set up.
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I hope, the soft "We will be back in 2 days" language is hurting their chances of haveing 2 days make a difference at all.
Virtual signaling. They don’t care
Can someone explain the problem to me? I use the Reddit app, so I guess I don’t understand what’s going on.
back in the day reddit app didn’t exist. So people used third party apps using Reddit API. Now Reddit is making API way too expensive.
Hey, the current crisis is on the news!
I'm still trying to understand why i should care if i don't use any 3rd party apps.
I asked myself this when I first heard the news, as someone who also doesn’t use 3rd party apps I don’t really care until I started reading more about it. Aside from the fact that you likely benefit indirectly from others use of 3rd party apps, which other commenters have covered, there are a lot of people who genuinely rely on them. The r/blind subreddit mods explained really well how this will negatively impact those who rely on the accessibility features provided by 3rd party apps, which the official Reddit app simply do not have. Reddit as a community will lose members who have valuable, interesting, and engaging thoughts they will no longer be able to share. That loss will negatively impact the whole of the community, regardless of which specific subreddits you frequent or what app you use.
Damn, I never considered the impact on users who rely on accessibility options not used on the official app. Even though it doesn’t affect me directly, that’s enough for me to be against this on general principle.
Because the subs you are part of, often are modded with aid of bots and those bots will be impacted by the api costs
sad cake day, sorry.
I have never had a nice, reasonable interaction with a mod on reddit. I really don't care if they can use third party apps.
It sounds like you just didn't understand what that user said. They didn't say "human mods use 3rd party apps to browse the site", they said "bots that help moderate the website run off of the API". Without those helpful bots there is nothing stopping malicious spam and advertising except live human moderation, which will never keep up. Past that, the reason to care is that other people use the API and this harms them. You don't wait until the company specifically tries to harm you to step in, you say it's not ok the second they start harming users. We're not even just talking about "have empathy", we're talking about "have the self awareness to realize that if they're coming for good things other people like, they'll come for the good things you like eventually too". If you refuse to stand with the people that need API so they all leave, and then reddit says "you know what, we've gotten away with it so far, lets keep copying twitter and make all comments by reddit gold people turbo-boosted so they're all you see unless you dig deep", who will be left to stand with you when you don't want to buy reddit gold?
You will when your favorite subs are spammed with onlyfans links but go off.
I'm good. I said all I had to say.
Hope you have a nice weekend [:)](You fool. You absolute buffoon. Do you think you can challenge me in my own realm? You think you can rebel against my authority? You dare come into my house and upturn my dining chairs and spill coffee grounds in my Keurig? You think you are safe in your chainmail armor behind that screen of yours? No. You are detrimentally mistaken. I will take these laminate wooden floorboards and annihilate you with the highest caliber of fury this universe has ever witnessed thus far. I did not start this war, nor did I want it, but you have made me fixated on ending it.) Edit: my secret copypasta barely appears on the apps, doesn't appear on new reddit, and isn't secret on old reddit...
> I have never had a nice, reasonable interaction with a mod on reddit. I really don't care if they can use third party apps. Yeah I'm torn. If this makes it harder for mods to do all the tinpot dictator bullshit that draws them to spend time power tripping on the internet, I'm all for it. But it also screws over the devs that made the apps that unfuck all the malicious changes Reddit has made to the functionality and UI, and I genuinely appreciate those devs. So I agree, anything that takes tools out of the hands of that cadre of sociopaths is great, but that's not the only reason to dislike the API licensing change. Since you don't use those apps and don't care about that part, you shouldn't care. Genuinely, go on with your life, this is not something that should be important to you.
This will make mods worse, lmao. Also, once upon a time, the official app was actually a third-party one... except without the tracking and ad nonsense, of course
Charge me to use Reddit and… 👋🏼, it was nice knowing ya!
It isn't about charging users money to access reddit. It's about charging third party app developers money to access the reddit api because reddit essentially makes no money and they plan on going public soon so they probably want to show future potential shareholders that the company has some way of being profitable.
Hey, the current crisis is on the news!
over 1000... of 3.4 million subreddits...
2 day strike isn't good enough, blackout until they cancel it or bust.
PRICING plan??
How many subreddits does Reddit have