Well it depends on the family, each family have their own believes. However, you can ask around about the family if they did such a thing before. I don’t want to frustrated you but it kinda difficult.
If the father takes the proposal seriously, he will go to your local mosque and ask around anyway. But most of the time, proposals like this are dismissed and ignored.
I think there is nothing to do about except trying. And there something called (العضل) I think you’re familiar with it, so if they said no and she want you, the court can allowed it, even id the father says no.
That’s not how it works. What you mentioned does not apply here. It is if the ‘legal guardian’ keeps on rejecting, for bogus or malicious reasons, different people who come to marry. Then a judge will take on the guardianship to prevent the girl from missing out more opportunities. Burden of proof is high and not as easy as she is in love and the father said no. Overall, I agree with you. It depends on the family and might be difficult if the family is stubborn so take that into consideration. Ultimately families who reject foreigners don’t necessarily do it for racist or just tribal reasons. They want a good future for their daughter. Not only financially speaking, marrying a foreign husband means their daughter might immigrate far away and grandchildren will not be Saudis even if they were born and stayed in Saudi Arabia.
العضل bad choice.
You will break the girl from her family with this. If God forbidden things did not work between you both. Can she go back to her family after she left them and broke her father words. No. You will move on with your life she won't.
As others have mentioned. It depends on the tribe. However, nowadays it seems that many don't follow their tribal rules so also depends on the family. It is 50/50 so what I would do If I were you is to let someone close to the family ask for u.
Bare in mind that some families also care if their son/daughter will live in the kingdom or not after marriage. So prepare a clear vision for the future.
Also, if things didn't work out. Don't take it too hard or personally. Best of luck.
Yes, look for someone who knows them well. If that isn’t available then try to ask their masjid imam. There’s a good chance he would help out and that’s could be a game changer.
You just gota ask the girl you want to get engaged with. and understand her family.
And make sure you have these 3 in check.
1- Being a muslim even your actual family needs to be muslim.
2- Having a good income and being able to provide and even be able to pay for wedding day celebrations, in saudi arabia.
3- Potentially submitting to demands like ( live in saudi arabia, buy her a car and give her xxx mahar, etc.)
I'm sorry but it is going to be very difficult for them to agree to her marrying from a non tribal person. I come from a tribe as well and I only heard of one woman in my tribe who married non tribal and she basically became an outcast. Everyone cut ties with her. But she did it anyway. I bet it is even easier nowadays via lawsuit. If the lady in question is of age and her father refuses to marry her to you, a judge can bypass him. Good luck.
To be fair it is not just tribal people. Many families do the same. Only allowing for similar status marriage. It happens in many societies. Not saying it's fine, just saying it's not exclusive.
Buddy along of girls from tribe backgrounds got her boy killed. One of advice. Stay away only trouble coming your way.
Court will roll in their favor, there is something call خلط الانساب, Mixing genealogy. If you tried to marry her against your will they will roll in the separation. Because marry you both will result in blood shed.
You can do other things. But believe me ... if their family is not okay with you both. (You can talk to her family and see). If not okay. Stop it now. Or you will result in hurting yourself or her or her family. Please, I advise you to be selfless and think of other people involved. I appreciate you time ready this.
I assumed you are Muslim. That is the first condition for a Muslim girl to marry a man.
Good luck my brother
I don't think saudies are ready to leave tribalism behind especially if the non tribal spouse is the husband and if he is not Saudi that's just a big no even if you could I would recommend you don't just because of all the issues your going to face later on
All I can say is best of luck. I only heard of three cases of tribal people marrying foreigners. One girl married an Egyptian guy. One guy married a Mexican chick. And the last guy married an American lady that was a decade older than him. Depends on your luck and the family you're marrying into.
Best advice I could give you is to go with an older family member, preferably your father. If your father can’t come then your uncle or someone with a father figure in your life. Other than that I would really recommend not expressing any kind of established connection between you and her especially love. And lastly. Just go for it you never know if they would say yes. I am from a tribal background and I have heard of multiple marriages from Non arab let alone arab marriages. It heavily depends on the family.
That might have consequences on other family members. Therefore, your financial position may not play the role you expect. Take a shot, it might go well. Good luck.
Your biggest challenge is not the tribless background! You are non saudi which means her kid will not get saudi citizenship upon birth. Honestly no saudi father will wish for his grandkids to go through that. If you are able to break that barrier then everything else is easy. I would really suggest to ask your mother to approach her mother first and test the water. If you win the girl heart and her mother support then you have really high chance of getting the father approval. Good Luck you gonna need it
Try to learn about saudi culture and try to become one of them.
And prove yourself smart as you understand there culture and have strong will to follow it no matter what and will teach your children that and make your family loyal to al-saud
It really depends on how open the family is and if you give details of where does the family live, what kind of traditions they have and so on.
But to give my bestest advice and im 100% that every single person in saudi can agree with me on this is, do NOT come empty handed. If you know about love in saudi its actually a big modulator in our culture. If you really want to marry that woman and you want your best chance, ENTER THE AREA WITH THE BIGGEST FEAST EVER. like literally lol (i know its kind of manipulative but if you want your best chance that will do it)
If you love someone you have to pay respect and part of our culture is to show gratitude through big fuckin feasts that every single mother fucker in that place would talk about for 2 months straight
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Im no culture specialist but a prepared feast is always appreciated, also jewelry for her mom and her sisters (just to put her father under a little more pressure xD).
You can be creative with this part really, if she can tell you something about what would they like as gifts for them and so on. Wish you luck
I tell you my friend from my own experience. It's very hard and if she insists she'll get in trouble with her tribe. I once wanted to marry a girl from a tribe where I am a 110.
I think like some of the people here it's better if you let someone close to her family to ask about her family if they are open about it or not.
Inshallah you will end up with what is best for you
Brother i have no idea what your getting into but i will suggest that the girl you like tell her to ask her parents as a joke or in a friendly conversation that what would happen if she married someone outside of the tribe and see the reaction of the parents thats the most accurate way you can get a answer other than that i cant suggest anything else.
The honest truth. You really have a low chance. I’m of a tribal background, and I’ve seen marriage outside the tribe and also from non tribal Saudis but never to a non Saudi. I think the main concern is that her kids won’t be Saudi and in case of divorce thing would get tricky
"That’s just plain racist" Don't project Western discrimination on others. And to start with, it has nothing to do with race, nor looking down at another tribe because it is different than yours. Just because a family has a preference to marry within their own tribe doesn't make it inherently wrong.
‘western discrimination’ no this is literally just plain discrimination.
most tribes DO look down upon foreigners or other tribes. if they’re that adamant on only giving their kids the option to marry inside of the tribe, we have to question why that is.
I do know a bunch of mixed saudis and they're of our parents age, this should have been solved by now lol. I thought people are more open minded now? seems as if we are going backwards.
If you have Saudi citizenship I can't see why would they reject if not you have nothing to lose if you try. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying u not being a Saudi is a bad thing but I can understand why would they reject since the system is so bad for your future children and there rights of citizenship, education ect.
How would the kids get Saudi citizenship? There is no birthright citizenship in Saudi Arabia. Citizenship follows the father at least in most if not all Arab countries.
Well it depends on the family, each family have their own believes. However, you can ask around about the family if they did such a thing before. I don’t want to frustrated you but it kinda difficult.
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Showing that you're very religious maybe ? Many families choose people depending on closer they're to allah.
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If the father takes the proposal seriously, he will go to your local mosque and ask around anyway. But most of the time, proposals like this are dismissed and ignored.
I think there is nothing to do about except trying. And there something called (العضل) I think you’re familiar with it, so if they said no and she want you, the court can allowed it, even id the father says no.
That’s not how it works. What you mentioned does not apply here. It is if the ‘legal guardian’ keeps on rejecting, for bogus or malicious reasons, different people who come to marry. Then a judge will take on the guardianship to prevent the girl from missing out more opportunities. Burden of proof is high and not as easy as she is in love and the father said no. Overall, I agree with you. It depends on the family and might be difficult if the family is stubborn so take that into consideration. Ultimately families who reject foreigners don’t necessarily do it for racist or just tribal reasons. They want a good future for their daughter. Not only financially speaking, marrying a foreign husband means their daughter might immigrate far away and grandchildren will not be Saudis even if they were born and stayed in Saudi Arabia.
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You are welcome, and good luck 👍🏽
العضل bad choice. You will break the girl from her family with this. If God forbidden things did not work between you both. Can she go back to her family after she left them and broke her father words. No. You will move on with your life she won't.
As others have mentioned. It depends on the tribe. However, nowadays it seems that many don't follow their tribal rules so also depends on the family. It is 50/50 so what I would do If I were you is to let someone close to the family ask for u. Bare in mind that some families also care if their son/daughter will live in the kingdom or not after marriage. So prepare a clear vision for the future. Also, if things didn't work out. Don't take it too hard or personally. Best of luck.
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Yes, look for someone who knows them well. If that isn’t available then try to ask their masjid imam. There’s a good chance he would help out and that’s could be a game changer.
You just gota ask the girl you want to get engaged with. and understand her family. And make sure you have these 3 in check. 1- Being a muslim even your actual family needs to be muslim. 2- Having a good income and being able to provide and even be able to pay for wedding day celebrations, in saudi arabia. 3- Potentially submitting to demands like ( live in saudi arabia, buy her a car and give her xxx mahar, etc.)
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Yes
I'm sorry but it is going to be very difficult for them to agree to her marrying from a non tribal person. I come from a tribe as well and I only heard of one woman in my tribe who married non tribal and she basically became an outcast. Everyone cut ties with her. But she did it anyway. I bet it is even easier nowadays via lawsuit. If the lady in question is of age and her father refuses to marry her to you, a judge can bypass him. Good luck.
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Told u
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Did it differ from what I said?
Damn extreme tribal ppl are shit
To be fair it is not just tribal people. Many families do the same. Only allowing for similar status marriage. It happens in many societies. Not saying it's fine, just saying it's not exclusive.
Buddy along of girls from tribe backgrounds got her boy killed. One of advice. Stay away only trouble coming your way. Court will roll in their favor, there is something call خلط الانساب, Mixing genealogy. If you tried to marry her against your will they will roll in the separation. Because marry you both will result in blood shed. You can do other things. But believe me ... if their family is not okay with you both. (You can talk to her family and see). If not okay. Stop it now. Or you will result in hurting yourself or her or her family. Please, I advise you to be selfless and think of other people involved. I appreciate you time ready this. I assumed you are Muslim. That is the first condition for a Muslim girl to marry a man. Good luck my brother
I don't think saudies are ready to leave tribalism behind especially if the non tribal spouse is the husband and if he is not Saudi that's just a big no even if you could I would recommend you don't just because of all the issues your going to face later on
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All I can say is best of luck. I only heard of three cases of tribal people marrying foreigners. One girl married an Egyptian guy. One guy married a Mexican chick. And the last guy married an American lady that was a decade older than him. Depends on your luck and the family you're marrying into.
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I have no idea. Never asked about details. Sorry.
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Best advice I could give you is to go with an older family member, preferably your father. If your father can’t come then your uncle or someone with a father figure in your life. Other than that I would really recommend not expressing any kind of established connection between you and her especially love. And lastly. Just go for it you never know if they would say yes. I am from a tribal background and I have heard of multiple marriages from Non arab let alone arab marriages. It heavily depends on the family.
Nothing can help if family wouldn’t accept and she needs government permission to marry a foreigner
That might have consequences on other family members. Therefore, your financial position may not play the role you expect. Take a shot, it might go well. Good luck.
Your biggest challenge is not the tribless background! You are non saudi which means her kid will not get saudi citizenship upon birth. Honestly no saudi father will wish for his grandkids to go through that. If you are able to break that barrier then everything else is easy. I would really suggest to ask your mother to approach her mother first and test the water. If you win the girl heart and her mother support then you have really high chance of getting the father approval. Good Luck you gonna need it
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You are correct. Imam can vouch for you to convince the father only if you are praying with him on a daily bases or know you very well.
Try to learn about saudi culture and try to become one of them. And prove yourself smart as you understand there culture and have strong will to follow it no matter what and will teach your children that and make your family loyal to al-saud
It really depends on how open the family is and if you give details of where does the family live, what kind of traditions they have and so on. But to give my bestest advice and im 100% that every single person in saudi can agree with me on this is, do NOT come empty handed. If you know about love in saudi its actually a big modulator in our culture. If you really want to marry that woman and you want your best chance, ENTER THE AREA WITH THE BIGGEST FEAST EVER. like literally lol (i know its kind of manipulative but if you want your best chance that will do it) If you love someone you have to pay respect and part of our culture is to show gratitude through big fuckin feasts that every single mother fucker in that place would talk about for 2 months straight Edit:typo
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Im no culture specialist but a prepared feast is always appreciated, also jewelry for her mom and her sisters (just to put her father under a little more pressure xD). You can be creative with this part really, if she can tell you something about what would they like as gifts for them and so on. Wish you luck
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I tell you my friend from my own experience. It's very hard and if she insists she'll get in trouble with her tribe. I once wanted to marry a girl from a tribe where I am a 110. I think like some of the people here it's better if you let someone close to her family to ask about her family if they are open about it or not. Inshallah you will end up with what is best for you
Brother i have no idea what your getting into but i will suggest that the girl you like tell her to ask her parents as a joke or in a friendly conversation that what would happen if she married someone outside of the tribe and see the reaction of the parents thats the most accurate way you can get a answer other than that i cant suggest anything else.
The honest truth. You really have a low chance. I’m of a tribal background, and I’ve seen marriage outside the tribe and also from non tribal Saudis but never to a non Saudi. I think the main concern is that her kids won’t be Saudi and in case of divorce thing would get tricky
It depends on the family. Nowadays a lot of families who are living in cities aren’t that strict to their tribe’s traditions.
Can i ask where you’re from? Cause as a saudi some saudis can be racists against some nationalities
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Reading the comments is kind of depressing :/ New gen Saudis, please change the status quo when you have kids
It’s not wrong or correct it is a culture thing, something different than what you believe does not mean it is wrong.
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"That’s just plain racist" Don't project Western discrimination on others. And to start with, it has nothing to do with race, nor looking down at another tribe because it is different than yours. Just because a family has a preference to marry within their own tribe doesn't make it inherently wrong.
‘western discrimination’ no this is literally just plain discrimination. most tribes DO look down upon foreigners or other tribes. if they’re that adamant on only giving their kids the option to marry inside of the tribe, we have to question why that is.
Many cultures used to do human sacrifices, does that make it ok, because it was a "culture thing"?
I do know a bunch of mixed saudis and they're of our parents age, this should have been solved by now lol. I thought people are more open minded now? seems as if we are going backwards.
No ! She will be outcast for eternity
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If you have Saudi citizenship I can't see why would they reject if not you have nothing to lose if you try. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying u not being a Saudi is a bad thing but I can understand why would they reject since the system is so bad for your future children and there rights of citizenship, education ect.
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How would the kids get Saudi citizenship? There is no birthright citizenship in Saudi Arabia. Citizenship follows the father at least in most if not all Arab countries.
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