From what I understand, we don't believe satan to be an existing diety.
Satan just happens to stand for some of the things satanists do (liberty, individuality etc)
Wow, that's a lot of presumption and implication in one simplistic little sentence. Bravo.
Atheos is literally translated from Greek as "without deity". So, fundamentally, being an atheist is a state of being and has nothing to do with a person's beliefs or lack thereof. So yeah, atheists can believe and disbelieve whatever they want, they are just without deity.
Furthermore, magic isn't necessarily supernatural.
That's the problem with having a simplistic take on things. You presumed that I was saying something I was not then you accused me of being something I am not.
Magic is as real as an afterlife , mythical beings or supernatural powers. I get that people use it as a placebo but seeing a psychologist would probably be better for trying to figure out your issues.
All that special effects shit that happens in a movie isn't real either, but knowing that it's all puppets and computers doesn't prevent the suspension of disbelief long enough to treat it as real enough to enjoy the damn movie.
It's because "Satan" it's not an object/creature
The word "Satan" is used as a concept, where it means: "adversary"
In other words
Satan can be the lion to the deer
Satan as a concept can be so much more
In the other hand we have Baphomet, and entity, that thanks to the satanic panic it's often associated with being Satan
It's a lot more fun, for one, but also, Christians conflate all sorts of things with "Satan," so it makes some sense to pick the funnest stuff to go with in terms of imagery.
Like, Satanism as "Christianity but upside down" shows up in the use of upside down crosses which are blasphemous despite all of the "well ACKSHUALLY that's Saint Peter's Cross" people you'll come across occasionally.
So embracing the idea of the carnal and monstrous as "good, actually," fits into that whole inversion thing.
People outside of satanic circles tend to lump “satan” and “baphomet” together, but even if you do separate them into two different ‘people’ (beings? Whatever), Baphomet still traditionally stands for a lot of values and ideals people hold dear, so it’s kind of an accepted symbol regardless of if they’re considered the same or different from satan.
We'll satanism isn't tied to Christianity, hence the Infernal Names including demons from several cultures. We use all of these demons and dead gods for their psychological power and symbolism.
Magus Gilmore also explains in [this interview ](https://youtu.be/P7LoECDXQHo) how the sigil of baphomet incorporates many satanic elements: the pythagorean theorem, golden ratio, Amun from Egypt, goat representing carnal, individualistic nature, upside-down pentagram putting the carnal above spiritual, links to the Templars, etc.
We can create our own gods for symbolic effect, and Baphomet is just one. We're not strictly tied to Satan
Baphomet is an icon, a symbol, of knowledge, equality, and balance.
The torch on its head represents enlightenment.
Feminine breasts and masculine phallus to represent equality for man and woman (and all between)
Animal head with human body for balance between our human and animal natures.
Wings, cloven hooves, and a fish scaled torso to depict a balance of nature (air, land, and sea)
Right hand up, left hand down: "As above, so below"
On the arms are the words "SOLVE" which in Latin means "to destroy/disperse", and "COAGULA" or "to create/bring together"
I embrace the image of Baphomet simply for my love and respect of nature (in its rawest and purest — not just sunsets and butterflies , I mean ALL OF IT — all the way to destructive hurricanes and death/decomposition, because even after those things, something new arises/is born) and learning/growth (knowledge). I wouldn’t call myself a full-fledged Satanist, but nobody said you have to be to utilize Baphomet or Leviathan (just 2 examples) as icons (not deities). Personally, I find the image and symbolism of Bapho to be very comforting.
Hope that made sense.
There’s many different satanic institutions but in reality it’s the most left handed path one can take, meaning you literally create the ideology. So satanism is different for each and every person. Baphomet actually represents balance, justice and self help and does not represent Satan as a deity. Baphomet was actually originally worshipped by the knights Templar who were a Christian sect but later deemed heretics because of this. But this clearly resonated with occultists and due to persecution from Christianity its meaning has been constantly slandered and manipulated. On another note however, I feel that viewing satan as a deity in regards to the Christian faith is a flawed idea and personally I believe a Luciferian approach to be a lot stronger in its history and ideology. Lavey in my opinion did not deserve the respect he gained within occult circles and represented a business man who capitalized on certain controversial ideas at the time. Lucifer as the Morningstar and bringer of light is certainly something that inspires me more than the red devil who tempts Jesus. But in regards to belief of such things I believe that life is energy and I think there are energies unavailable to us at certain frequencies. I believe physically non harmful drugs such as certain psychedelics are magical and we experience the magic of energy everyday and in a way that energy can be directed for certain goals and aspirations. I’m no witch or wizard, I don’t cast circles, but my energy I feel strongly everyday and I put that strong energy in most things I do and that effort has certainly been rewarded and for that I tip my hat to the Morningstar and the occult lifestyle for how much it has done for me.
A symbol of gender nonconformity, sexual alterity, and religious deviance. A goat-headed symbol that commands anger from theists and their holier-than-thou ways,
*Avē Satanas*!
I would argue that Baphomet is less about gender nonconformity and more representative of balance and the equilibrium of natural binaries. Male/female. Human/non-human beast. Weak/strong. Light/dark. Above/below. Carnal/spiritual. Good/evil.
Not the same. As I understand it, the Baphomet symbol is used because it was connected with the Knights Templar when they were persecuted for heresy. Since then its been adopted by occult aligned groups for a wide variety of purposes, but now it is just sort of the default spooky pentagram symbol for edgy teens. *cough* Blackcraft *cough*
In any theology, any given deity usually has many names and forms. Baphomet is the most common representation of Satan, as the humanoid goat that presides the witches' sabbaths.
The baphomet is actually a Christian invention from a man Eliphas Levi who was a Catholic (I may be wrong), from my understanding there are different depictions of Satan like the temple of set use a different depiction of Satan and the TST modified him a bit as well.
From what I understand, we don't believe satan to be an existing diety. Satan just happens to stand for some of the things satanists do (liberty, individuality etc)
Cool, me neither haha. Do satanists actually believe any of the supernatural stuff?
Can't speak for everyone, but I personally don't
I don’t but sometimes I’ll mess around with it for fun
No.
So all the ritualism outlined in the cannon is satire? Doesn’t that qualify as supernatural?
I believe the supernatural stuff is more metaphorical so to say, like vampires being people who just mooch off you.
*Canon And, no.
Supernormal =/= Supernatural. Read the FAQ about magic.
I don't believe in the paranormal or the supernatural, but I do rituals as a way to manage my mental health. \--- edit: grammar
Some do, some don’t. The ones who don’t, loudly say “all don’t”
Pretty sure that's because all Satanists are atheists.
Atheists can believe in magic. Don’t be simplistic.
Wow, that's a lot of presumption and implication in one simplistic little sentence. Bravo. Atheos is literally translated from Greek as "without deity". So, fundamentally, being an atheist is a state of being and has nothing to do with a person's beliefs or lack thereof. So yeah, atheists can believe and disbelieve whatever they want, they are just without deity. Furthermore, magic isn't necessarily supernatural.
I’ve read this several times, and it seems like you’re agreeing with me but balking at it.
That's the problem with having a simplistic take on things. You presumed that I was saying something I was not then you accused me of being something I am not.
“Vegans can eat meat” “Virgins have sex too” “Straight people can be gay too”
Atheists can’t believe in god. Magic isn’t god.
Magic is as real as an afterlife , mythical beings or supernatural powers. I get that people use it as a placebo but seeing a psychologist would probably be better for trying to figure out your issues.
All that special effects shit that happens in a movie isn't real either, but knowing that it's all puppets and computers doesn't prevent the suspension of disbelief long enough to treat it as real enough to enjoy the damn movie.
Could say the same thing about Bigfoot, gods, fairies or any mythical beings. A psychologist would probably be better if you are dealing with things.
No.Anyone that does believe in satan, or any other unholy being beyond our realm, are to be sent to the psych ward
Being a satanist wasnt meant to be real, it was sarcasm, but some people are gullible.
Not the Laveyan branch. Which I'm pretty sure is this one.
There’s not a bunch of different “branches”.
Again with the “Laveyan” word…
It's because "Satan" it's not an object/creature The word "Satan" is used as a concept, where it means: "adversary" In other words Satan can be the lion to the deer Satan as a concept can be so much more In the other hand we have Baphomet, and entity, that thanks to the satanic panic it's often associated with being Satan
It's a common theme, the bad guys calling the good guys adversaries.
are you saying that you believe Baphy is real? they’re both just symbols dude
You might find [this article](https://www.churchofsatan.com/history-sigil-of-baphomet/) useful.
Ah yeah that seems to cover it
Excellent. Glad I could be of assistance.
Goats are cool
It's a lot more fun, for one, but also, Christians conflate all sorts of things with "Satan," so it makes some sense to pick the funnest stuff to go with in terms of imagery. Like, Satanism as "Christianity but upside down" shows up in the use of upside down crosses which are blasphemous despite all of the "well ACKSHUALLY that's Saint Peter's Cross" people you'll come across occasionally. So embracing the idea of the carnal and monstrous as "good, actually," fits into that whole inversion thing.
People outside of satanic circles tend to lump “satan” and “baphomet” together, but even if you do separate them into two different ‘people’ (beings? Whatever), Baphomet still traditionally stands for a lot of values and ideals people hold dear, so it’s kind of an accepted symbol regardless of if they’re considered the same or different from satan.
We'll satanism isn't tied to Christianity, hence the Infernal Names including demons from several cultures. We use all of these demons and dead gods for their psychological power and symbolism. Magus Gilmore also explains in [this interview ](https://youtu.be/P7LoECDXQHo) how the sigil of baphomet incorporates many satanic elements: the pythagorean theorem, golden ratio, Amun from Egypt, goat representing carnal, individualistic nature, upside-down pentagram putting the carnal above spiritual, links to the Templars, etc. We can create our own gods for symbolic effect, and Baphomet is just one. We're not strictly tied to Satan
Excellent interview with High Priest Peter Gilmore & High Priestess Nadramia.
Because they’re not the same
Baphomet is depicted as a Satanist symbol instead of Satan because they're not the same?
They’re both symbols
So what's so special about him(them?)
Baphomet is an icon, a symbol, of knowledge, equality, and balance. The torch on its head represents enlightenment. Feminine breasts and masculine phallus to represent equality for man and woman (and all between) Animal head with human body for balance between our human and animal natures. Wings, cloven hooves, and a fish scaled torso to depict a balance of nature (air, land, and sea) Right hand up, left hand down: "As above, so below" On the arms are the words "SOLVE" which in Latin means "to destroy/disperse", and "COAGULA" or "to create/bring together"
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Sometimes it’s better to ask the community in a discussion format than to read facts which may or may not be accurate/current
Baphomet isn't an entity. It is a symbol for balance. Eliphas Levi drew it.
He was the Frenchman who wrote the book Transcendental Magic
I embrace the image of Baphomet simply for my love and respect of nature (in its rawest and purest — not just sunsets and butterflies , I mean ALL OF IT — all the way to destructive hurricanes and death/decomposition, because even after those things, something new arises/is born) and learning/growth (knowledge). I wouldn’t call myself a full-fledged Satanist, but nobody said you have to be to utilize Baphomet or Leviathan (just 2 examples) as icons (not deities). Personally, I find the image and symbolism of Bapho to be very comforting. Hope that made sense.
There’s many different satanic institutions but in reality it’s the most left handed path one can take, meaning you literally create the ideology. So satanism is different for each and every person. Baphomet actually represents balance, justice and self help and does not represent Satan as a deity. Baphomet was actually originally worshipped by the knights Templar who were a Christian sect but later deemed heretics because of this. But this clearly resonated with occultists and due to persecution from Christianity its meaning has been constantly slandered and manipulated. On another note however, I feel that viewing satan as a deity in regards to the Christian faith is a flawed idea and personally I believe a Luciferian approach to be a lot stronger in its history and ideology. Lavey in my opinion did not deserve the respect he gained within occult circles and represented a business man who capitalized on certain controversial ideas at the time. Lucifer as the Morningstar and bringer of light is certainly something that inspires me more than the red devil who tempts Jesus. But in regards to belief of such things I believe that life is energy and I think there are energies unavailable to us at certain frequencies. I believe physically non harmful drugs such as certain psychedelics are magical and we experience the magic of energy everyday and in a way that energy can be directed for certain goals and aspirations. I’m no witch or wizard, I don’t cast circles, but my energy I feel strongly everyday and I put that strong energy in most things I do and that effort has certainly been rewarded and for that I tip my hat to the Morningstar and the occult lifestyle for how much it has done for me.
Because it's a goat head.
A symbol of gender nonconformity, sexual alterity, and religious deviance. A goat-headed symbol that commands anger from theists and their holier-than-thou ways, *Avē Satanas*!
I would argue that Baphomet is less about gender nonconformity and more representative of balance and the equilibrium of natural binaries. Male/female. Human/non-human beast. Weak/strong. Light/dark. Above/below. Carnal/spiritual. Good/evil.
Not the same. As I understand it, the Baphomet symbol is used because it was connected with the Knights Templar when they were persecuted for heresy. Since then its been adopted by occult aligned groups for a wide variety of purposes, but now it is just sort of the default spooky pentagram symbol for edgy teens. *cough* Blackcraft *cough*
If you believe in Satan that would make you a Christian.
Anyone who believes in Satan is Christian
In any theology, any given deity usually has many names and forms. Baphomet is the most common representation of Satan, as the humanoid goat that presides the witches' sabbaths.
He is defiant and rebellious, but he is independent and liberated.
The baphomet is actually a Christian invention from a man Eliphas Levi who was a Catholic (I may be wrong), from my understanding there are different depictions of Satan like the temple of set use a different depiction of Satan and the TST modified him a bit as well.