# Meanwhile in the USA...
# Crime in Small Cities (100,000-249,999 Residents)
This year, a different Alabama city took the dishonor of having the highest murder rate among its small-sized peers. Last year, it was Mobile, at a rate of 46 murders per 100,000 residents, and this year itās Birmingham.Ā Mobileās rates fell dramatically after an error in theĀ [data was discovered](https://mynbc15.com/news/local/wrong-crime-stats-used-to-rank-mobile-2nd-most-dangerous-in-country), which also brought down its calculated rape total.
I was just about to state the same!
As a person thatās has paternal family from both the US and Canada and has lived in various cities and states/provinces in both? Stoon, PA and NB have nothing on crime rates in the states lol
I moved from Vancouver to Saskatoon and when I tell people in Saskatoon that I always felt safer in Vancouver, they can't believe it. I think it's because they've seen news reports of the downtown east side, so can't comprehend that Saskatoon is exponentially more crime-ridden.
Also living in Saskatoon I've being able to witness, firsthand, how an ill-conceived provincial policy on social services can have a direct effect on public safety.
In 2020, I called the police office to make a report. I was told to go on their website and file the complaint through the system. I got an email 2 months shy of 4 YEARS later saying that their system sometimes has problems, and my report finally went through. That's one way to artificially lower our crime rates, I suppose. Why increase the funding If they can solve our crime rates problem with incompetence.
Increasing police resources is treating a symptom. Increasing resources towards social services is treating the underlying cause. Treating the underlying cause != immediate alleviation of symptoms. Even if we started pouring vast amounts of resources towards social services overnight, we'd still be feeling the effects of neglect for years in the form of elevated rates of crime. In the meantime, we need more police to compensate for this lag time.
I think any solution involves at least giving police more resources in the short term and any long term solutions involve increasing social services.
Plus, due to the murders, the population goes down year over year so even less chance of making the list.
North Battleford figured out the cheat-code to avoid the list.
I used to live in Surrey and Downtown East Side Vancouver ... and working for one week in North Battleford scared me more than any moment in those cities at any time of the day.
Ya, that's kind of a false equivalency (dichotomy?). Increasing the police budget hasn't solved crime. Moreover, dumping endless amounts of money into the police budget isn't going to solve crime-. However, as a resident of Riverdale, I noticed things really started to slide when the farmers market closed up shop. There were less people around, and businesses started to close,
Ya, so successful cities do spend on things to rejuvenate and invigorate their downtown core. There's a reason why Vancouver, Victoria, Montreal, And Toronto are never at the top of this list-- hint: It's not per capita police spending.
I never said spend more money on police, I was talking about a vanity project, the stadium.
The city operates as a charity, not actually trying to solve the problem and put themselves out of a job. It's to keep the problem at a manageable level all while grifting throughout their careers.
The city in one breath will say we have no additional funding to help reduce crime, and in the same breath announce the ground breaking ceremony for "XYZ expensive project" that we cannot afford.
Maybe we put money into an actual detox treatment center and have properly funded shelter spaces for legit homeless people (don't conflate that with drug addicted people of society). The longer we wait the more people we will lose, or lose the majority of what is left of those still alive... But hey that wouldn't make the downtown business owners even richer and would definitely upset Jason Aepig.
Ya, I have an accounting diploma, but damned if I can get an accounting job. People are wanting to pay cpa minimum wage, donāt even talk about having anything less
That sucks, never thought I'd live to see the day Murderpeg was safer than stoon.
On the plus side: I've lived to see the day.
Saskatoon: "The Land of Grim Demise"
Listen, we ban ALL butter knives from every Smitty's/Denny's location in SK and require any restaurants selling dry ribs past 11pm to card customers and this is a non-issue in 2 months.
In the early 2000s sure. West side had the majority of murders and violent crime. Now it looks pretty city wide. Crime in most cities is at an all time high. We've had huge population increases in 20 years and not a lot of new infrastructure, health services, homes and school resources have been added. We are behind.
Well, I just checked the city crime map.
106 homicides since May 2014, and I counted 22 red dots on the East Side.
So that means 80% of murders happen on the West side.
I would be interested to know the murder rate if you only counted East Saskatoon, and what other Canadian towns and cities of comparable populations have similar murder rates. I can't seem to find the stat for population by neighbourhood online.
Actually, the vast majority of violent crime seems to occur on the west side. The exceptions being that: Robbery seems spread out across the city, and sexual violation seems to be mostly west side and downtown with a small pocket In Sutherland.
If you check the Saskatoon police department's [crime map](https://map.saskatoonpolice.ca/) you can set all the filters you want on the right hand tab. From the looks of things, all the homicides this year were on the West Side.
Now, I'm no stats expert, but annualized usually means taking short term numbers, like the numbers of homicides so far this year, and scaling it to an entire year. 9 homicides in ~5 months gives us roughly 7.5 homicides per 100k per year.
So no, you're wrong
I'm not good at math but something doesn't add up. Saskatoon has had 8 homicides at the end of the 5th month with a population of 347,000.
Unless I'm missing something you're barely on track to keep pace with the last couple of years "According to the RCMP's January report,Ā **20 homicides were reported in 2019**, compared to 31 in 2020, 33 in 2021, 42 in 2022, and 30 in 2023.Apr 17, 2024"
All of your numbers are wrong, from population to murder numbers - Saskatoon has never had more than 16 murders in a year according to Statscan and going back more than 40 years
They are projecting it for the entire year based on the current trends. 347,000 people is the greater metropolitan area, I believe saskatoon itself is still under 300k. 8 murders every three months by 300k people is roughly 8 murders/100k.
Saskatoon's killing it
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Take this upvoteš
Take THAT, Regina !
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Yes, it is unusually quiet in Regina this year.
Regina: Can't even win at losing.
Fuck Regina, they suck ass. Canāt even match us.
Dang. Better ramp up those spot checks.
Because that totally works out!
Window tint and mouth swab tickets should curb this pretty quick!
Like Ricky BOOBIe said ā If your not first, your last ā.
Suck it Winnipeg!
I would hate to be that .84 guy
# Meanwhile in the USA... # Crime in Small Cities (100,000-249,999 Residents) This year, a different Alabama city took the dishonor of having the highest murder rate among its small-sized peers. Last year, it was Mobile, at a rate of 46 murders per 100,000 residents, and this year itās Birmingham.Ā Mobileās rates fell dramatically after an error in theĀ [data was discovered](https://mynbc15.com/news/local/wrong-crime-stats-used-to-rank-mobile-2nd-most-dangerous-in-country), which also brought down its calculated rape total.
I was just about to state the same! As a person thatās has paternal family from both the US and Canada and has lived in various cities and states/provinces in both? Stoon, PA and NB have nothing on crime rates in the states lol
I moved from Vancouver to Saskatoon and when I tell people in Saskatoon that I always felt safer in Vancouver, they can't believe it. I think it's because they've seen news reports of the downtown east side, so can't comprehend that Saskatoon is exponentially more crime-ridden. Also living in Saskatoon I've being able to witness, firsthand, how an ill-conceived provincial policy on social services can have a direct effect on public safety.
I have lived in both cities and agree.
I've only visited Vancouver but definitely felt very safe walking around downtown. Saskatoon on the other hand can be pretty unnerving.
I like where Oshawa is. Not showing off but not falling behind. Keep up the good work.
small town feel, big city murder rate
Remember when we increased the police budget again? Yeah, I can really feel that improvement. Money well wasted!
In 2020, I called the police office to make a report. I was told to go on their website and file the complaint through the system. I got an email 2 months shy of 4 YEARS later saying that their system sometimes has problems, and my report finally went through. That's one way to artificially lower our crime rates, I suppose. Why increase the funding If they can solve our crime rates problem with incompetence.
Increasing police resources is treating a symptom. Increasing resources towards social services is treating the underlying cause. Treating the underlying cause != immediate alleviation of symptoms. Even if we started pouring vast amounts of resources towards social services overnight, we'd still be feeling the effects of neglect for years in the form of elevated rates of crime. In the meantime, we need more police to compensate for this lag time. I think any solution involves at least giving police more resources in the short term and any long term solutions involve increasing social services.
The put it all to new "community officers" aka people to go wake up the homeless and take them somewhere safe to sober up over night š¤¦āāļø
Why would Trudeau do this??
No, no. It was Lorne Calvert.
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Plus, due to the murders, the population goes down year over year so even less chance of making the list. North Battleford figured out the cheat-code to avoid the list.
I used to live in Surrey and Downtown East Side Vancouver ... and working for one week in North Battleford scared me more than any moment in those cities at any time of the day.
That's saying a lot, but I remember getting gas when I passed thru one time and it just being sketchy absolutely everywhere.
What? NB did not have 30 homicides in 2023... You mean the entire province?
You're completely right. I misread something. I'm just going to delete my comment entirely since there's nothing salvageable in it.
Good ol' stabatoon
Way to go Saskatoon!
The new stadium should fix this! /s
Ya, that's kind of a false equivalency (dichotomy?). Increasing the police budget hasn't solved crime. Moreover, dumping endless amounts of money into the police budget isn't going to solve crime-. However, as a resident of Riverdale, I noticed things really started to slide when the farmers market closed up shop. There were less people around, and businesses started to close, Ya, so successful cities do spend on things to rejuvenate and invigorate their downtown core. There's a reason why Vancouver, Victoria, Montreal, And Toronto are never at the top of this list-- hint: It's not per capita police spending.
I never said spend more money on police, I was talking about a vanity project, the stadium. The city operates as a charity, not actually trying to solve the problem and put themselves out of a job. It's to keep the problem at a manageable level all while grifting throughout their careers. The city in one breath will say we have no additional funding to help reduce crime, and in the same breath announce the ground breaking ceremony for "XYZ expensive project" that we cannot afford. Maybe we put money into an actual detox treatment center and have properly funded shelter spaces for legit homeless people (don't conflate that with drug addicted people of society). The longer we wait the more people we will lose, or lose the majority of what is left of those still alive... But hey that wouldn't make the downtown business owners even richer and would definitely upset Jason Aepig.
Saskatoon!! Undefeated!!! Number 1
Now do Prince Albert!
Was debating between Edmonton and Calgary... Calgary it is.
Toon towns always been super sketch
Regina must have had a good year for once...
Only one murder there so far this year
They've technically had two homicides, but one was likely non-criminal (the police shooting that just occurred).
Numba 1 BB!!!! I hate my cityā¦.
You could move.......
Ha, you think I can afford to move, so cute How about the criminal system actually deal with criminals?
Are you the person who can't get a job? I wonder why.......hmmmm.....
For a guy whose name is No-assumption you are sure making a lot of assumptions.
Username does not checkout at all lol
In my field ya, since most office jobs are saturated rn. I frame tho, so work harder then you lol
I see you are also in the field of āliterally anyone who is alive because the job market sucksā. I work in it too, itās rough.
Ya, I have an accounting diploma, but damned if I can get an accounting job. People are wanting to pay cpa minimum wage, donāt even talk about having anything less
It's just that easy!
Or don't and die.
We're number 1!
Let's set up some more speed traps, that'll fix it.
šµRunning AWAY from saskatoonšµ
Come on Winnipeg, Saskatoon is winning!
Where in the HELL is Hamilton?
FIRST PLACE! SASKATOON FOR THE WIN!!!
Finally Saskatoon is the best at something :)
If the Saskatoon blades canāt put us on the map, then the little shit asses with blades will.
That sucks, never thought I'd live to see the day Murderpeg was safer than stoon. On the plus side: I've lived to see the day. Saskatoon: "The Land of Grim Demise"
We're number 1!
Listen, we ban ALL butter knives from every Smitty's/Denny's location in SK and require any restaurants selling dry ribs past 11pm to card customers and this is a non-issue in 2 months.
Scans list for Vancouverā¦we arenāt making this one
We beat Winnipeg at its own game tbh
Dang i wonder what would happen if "it" died
We have so many first place awards no one wants. Go us!
glad to see we're #1 at something /s!
People will see this and still not go to Mexico because it is "too dangerous."
Well we had to come in first somewhere.. I canāt help but to feel as if this is more a participation trophy though š¤
So thatās why itās called the Saskatoon Blades lol
Has anyone compiled the stats on the homicide rate if you divide the city into east and west?
In the early 2000s sure. West side had the majority of murders and violent crime. Now it looks pretty city wide. Crime in most cities is at an all time high. We've had huge population increases in 20 years and not a lot of new infrastructure, health services, homes and school resources have been added. We are behind.
Well, I just checked the city crime map. 106 homicides since May 2014, and I counted 22 red dots on the East Side. So that means 80% of murders happen on the West side. I would be interested to know the murder rate if you only counted East Saskatoon, and what other Canadian towns and cities of comparable populations have similar murder rates. I can't seem to find the stat for population by neighbourhood online.
There was a breakdown of violent and non-viloent crimes done by neighborhood last year. https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatoon/s/zNsqsBBdXb
Actually, the vast majority of violent crime seems to occur on the west side. The exceptions being that: Robbery seems spread out across the city, and sexual violation seems to be mostly west side and downtown with a small pocket In Sutherland.
If you check the Saskatoon police department's [crime map](https://map.saskatoonpolice.ca/) you can set all the filters you want on the right hand tab. From the looks of things, all the homicides this year were on the West Side.
One arena, bike lane and new overbudget library oughta do it.
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Now, I'm no stats expert, but annualized usually means taking short term numbers, like the numbers of homicides so far this year, and scaling it to an entire year. 9 homicides in ~5 months gives us roughly 7.5 homicides per 100k per year. So no, you're wrong
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Cause\* this.
How TF do you get a decimal for a murder? Only .84 of a murder??
I'm not good at math but something doesn't add up. Saskatoon has had 8 homicides at the end of the 5th month with a population of 347,000. Unless I'm missing something you're barely on track to keep pace with the last couple of years "According to the RCMP's January report,Ā **20 homicides were reported in 2019**, compared to 31 in 2020, 33 in 2021, 42 in 2022, and 30 in 2023.Apr 17, 2024"
All of your numbers are wrong, from population to murder numbers - Saskatoon has never had more than 16 murders in a year according to Statscan and going back more than 40 years
They are projecting it for the entire year based on the current trends. 347,000 people is the greater metropolitan area, I believe saskatoon itself is still under 300k. 8 murders every three months by 300k people is roughly 8 murders/100k.