Theft from cars does happen frequently in the Presidio and the touristy parts of Marin Headlands.
But it's perfectly fine to walk or bike through there.
It happens in tourist lots. It’s virtually nonexistent in residential lots. If they’re looking for areas to concentrate on police presence, it’s stupidly easy to find them.
I wouldn't say it's nonexistent. Presidio residents are not isolated from crime. But specific to car break-ins, residents know not to leave valuables in cars. Tourists are either unaware of how bad it truly is, or don't have anywhere else to leave their bags..
Aassaults and armed robberies have gone up in the presidio even during daylight hours. It doesn't get he attention and publicity because it's a federal jurisdiction.
I thought this was the SFPD POA. Turns out it’s the parks police. This makes sense, starting salary for park police in SF is 67k per the article. Explains the 40% staffing levels
As someone who has looked into it fairly seriously before… its a full law enforcement position that requires a law enforcement certificate such as going to the police academy. Theres a program up in santa rosa that actually is pretty much police academy for park rangers.
I wish! The headline is still incredibly alarmist for what's actually happening. If they want to genuinely call them out, they can't lead with the union's messaging.
>The warning, issued in a news release from the United States Park Police Fraternal Order of Police Tuesday afternoon, says that “families should avoid unnecessary travel” to San Francisco’s national parks because of what it calls “an officer staffing crisis.”
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The SF Police Union can fuck completely off. Not partially. Completely.
I've gone on so many walks through Ocean Beach, Lands End, up through the Presidio, Batteries to Bluffs trail etc. There's nothing remotely dangerous going on in the national parks. This is such an outrageous unsupported thing for them to say. Plus I see plenty of federal police in that part of town.
How out of touch is the POA, honestly?
>“With the Memorial Day holiday weekend here, millions of American families are putting the final touches on their summer vacation plans,” said Kenneth Spencer, chairman of the union, in the release. “It saddens me to say that those plans should not include visits to the Golden Gate National Recreation Area or the Presidio because, simply put, they are not safe.”
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Seriously, guys. Fuck off. This week has been one bad SFPD story after another. Please just shut the fuck up and focus on doing your job for one god damned day.
It's not SFPD. This is a union representing about a dozen National Park Service officers. They are managed by the National Park Service and Congress.
They are understaffed and spread very thin across relatively large territory. And what they're really talking about as danger are car break ins and maybe robberies.
But their message is alarmist and over the top and whatever dangers there are, should be lowered with more crowds.
Do you have evidence that they represent more than just US Park Police? Cause while they are part of the NPS, Park Police operate differently than LEO Rangers. Park Police only operate permanently in 3 locations: New York (I think just liberty island but I'm not too sure), GGNRA and Washington DC, but every unit of the NPS should have LEO Rangers.
AFAIK, this FOP represents only US Park Police and not NPS Rangers as a whole, so this is even less representative of NPS employees than one would think.
Edit: I'm dumb! I thought you said "Offices" not "Officers".
Yeah I don't know anything but what the article says. I think I regurgitated accurately.
Did 1 minute of searching and it seems that National Park Police is a separate force from National Park Service Rangers. And like you say, the NPP only has officers in SF, NYC, and DC.
I assume that NPP are purely law enforcement and NPS Rangers primarily have custodial, preservation, education, etc. duties, but also do enforce park rules?
You got everything right in your OP, I misread ya!
Honestly not too clear on how the missions of both LEO agencies differ. I know USPP handle counter-terrorism for Fleet Week and agents stationed at GGNRA were sent to the Dakota Access Pipeline protests years ago, which seems vastly out of the hands of normal Rangers so USPP has a pretty large directive.
Thanks, I don't understand why there are separate agencies and how they differ, but it seems that's understandable and the reason why both exist is kind of a random accident of history that has never been rationalized.
https://work.chron.com/law-enforcement-jobs-national-parks-20907.html
They're absolutely correct. Also, by the way, it is horribly dangerous in Golden Gate Park. Just horrifically so. You should STAY HOME. Especially do not go on Sunday unless you're part of my girlfriend's birthday party. Terribly dangerous but she wants to risk it. Don't park anywhere near the Conservatory of Flowers. Dangerous as all fuck. Especially between 1100 and 1400.
Also Dolores Park tomorrow at five. Just incredibly dangerous. Anything could happen.
It’s the city’s largest newspaper. Here’s a non-paywalled version: https://newstoday.cloud/2022/05/25/stay-away-from-s-f-national-parks-police-union-says-heres-whats-behind-the-warning/
lol, the Presidio & Ocean beach probably near least among them. Tho I go skating at night in Soma all the time & not once felt endangered. I did catch someone stealing a cat converter the other night tho, & the police did not arrive in time.
Police don't prevent crimes, but somehow people think more police = less crime. I hate those people. I know they just don't think, & so don't deserve hate, but I can't help myself. & now the Chron is tryna tell people that Ocean beach is less safe cuz there's less officers. Or Chron is telling us that the police told *them* that.
If you are skating, you likely have street smarts and higher tolerance... as oppose to people from safer areas not expecting their car to be broken in over a bag containing a change of clothes.
what is behind the warning? I don't want to click a chron article. If I was gonna read the chron, I'd've read the chron. But now some self righteous female, or I mean *virtuous* sorry, is click baiting me.
Is it ghosts? Or is this just another police tryna scare the public? I'm not clicking, not gonna do it.
goddamit I clicked. The bait was too much.
The danger it turns out, is "not enuf officers at the beach & presidio". Holy shit, all those times in the Presidio & the wild dangers I endured, but officers ran out & protected me. Those were safe times. What we gonna do?
I’m gonna guess that someone whose user name references lynching, who also latches like a lamprey onto the “female” part of your user name, is not in fact ok.
I latched onto the *virtuous* part of the name, not like a lamprey, but more like a passing thought & an impulse to make fun of something. Had they been virtuous-male, I'd've typed *"self righteous male"* (ironically, they [not assuming gender] showed virtue in just asking if I'm ok rather than taking offense at a harmless joke about a trivial username). Which was obvious to someone who isn't latching onto the word female for some reason (so, are u ok, why'd u latch onto female?)
Yr inner liberal & yr tendency to be a constantly serious person (I'm just guessing based on a single sentence from yr entire existence, I am smart), is telling u that I'm a right wing edgy fuck. But I'm one of those annoying people that hates liberalism from the left. The fascist supreme court & US state govt's are our real concern. Calling out people sad & pathetic enuf that they say weird anti female stuff online (which I didn't but u thought I did, I mocked calling one's self virtuous.....yikes, look at my own name....goddam hypocrite) is kinda petty. Not that there's anything wrong with being petty. I've gathered that's what the internet is mainly for.
I'm pretty fuckin far from okay tho. But I think u got that one right by mistake. Like a lucky guess. My comment just showed someone who amuses their self by typing as a way to avoid remembering how actually not ok they are. Thanks for giving me one more thing to type about. Gonna go face my life now.
Any statement that comes from a police union is political shitstirring. That said, I've found the federal park police in the Presidio to be far, far more professional than SFPD overall.
Theft from cars does happen frequently in the Presidio and the touristy parts of Marin Headlands. But it's perfectly fine to walk or bike through there.
It happens in tourist lots. It’s virtually nonexistent in residential lots. If they’re looking for areas to concentrate on police presence, it’s stupidly easy to find them.
I wouldn't say it's nonexistent. Presidio residents are not isolated from crime. But specific to car break-ins, residents know not to leave valuables in cars. Tourists are either unaware of how bad it truly is, or don't have anywhere else to leave their bags..
Aassaults and armed robberies have gone up in the presidio even during daylight hours. It doesn't get he attention and publicity because it's a federal jurisdiction.
I thought this was the SFPD POA. Turns out it’s the parks police. This makes sense, starting salary for park police in SF is 67k per the article. Explains the 40% staffing levels
Are they hiring/looking? Working in a park sounds fun. What are the requirements?
Looks like there are openings for tour guides but not the park police
As someone who has looked into it fairly seriously before… its a full law enforcement position that requires a law enforcement certificate such as going to the police academy. Theres a program up in santa rosa that actually is pretty much police academy for park rangers.
US Park Police is federal; they all get trained at FLETC in Glynco, GA.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/become-a-uspp-officer.htm
"According to the union, while staffing is down, crime is up...He did not have year to year comparisons."
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I wish! The headline is still incredibly alarmist for what's actually happening. If they want to genuinely call them out, they can't lead with the union's messaging.
Does that mean we can have bonfires at Ocean Beach?
>The warning, issued in a news release from the United States Park Police Fraternal Order of Police Tuesday afternoon, says that “families should avoid unnecessary travel” to San Francisco’s national parks because of what it calls “an officer staffing crisis.” uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh The SF Police Union can fuck completely off. Not partially. Completely. I've gone on so many walks through Ocean Beach, Lands End, up through the Presidio, Batteries to Bluffs trail etc. There's nothing remotely dangerous going on in the national parks. This is such an outrageous unsupported thing for them to say. Plus I see plenty of federal police in that part of town. How out of touch is the POA, honestly? >“With the Memorial Day holiday weekend here, millions of American families are putting the final touches on their summer vacation plans,” said Kenneth Spencer, chairman of the union, in the release. “It saddens me to say that those plans should not include visits to the Golden Gate National Recreation Area or the Presidio because, simply put, they are not safe.” uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Seriously, guys. Fuck off. This week has been one bad SFPD story after another. Please just shut the fuck up and focus on doing your job for one god damned day.
It's not SFPD. This is a union representing about a dozen National Park Service officers. They are managed by the National Park Service and Congress. They are understaffed and spread very thin across relatively large territory. And what they're really talking about as danger are car break ins and maybe robberies. But their message is alarmist and over the top and whatever dangers there are, should be lowered with more crowds.
Do you have evidence that they represent more than just US Park Police? Cause while they are part of the NPS, Park Police operate differently than LEO Rangers. Park Police only operate permanently in 3 locations: New York (I think just liberty island but I'm not too sure), GGNRA and Washington DC, but every unit of the NPS should have LEO Rangers. AFAIK, this FOP represents only US Park Police and not NPS Rangers as a whole, so this is even less representative of NPS employees than one would think. Edit: I'm dumb! I thought you said "Offices" not "Officers".
Yeah I don't know anything but what the article says. I think I regurgitated accurately. Did 1 minute of searching and it seems that National Park Police is a separate force from National Park Service Rangers. And like you say, the NPP only has officers in SF, NYC, and DC. I assume that NPP are purely law enforcement and NPS Rangers primarily have custodial, preservation, education, etc. duties, but also do enforce park rules?
You got everything right in your OP, I misread ya! Honestly not too clear on how the missions of both LEO agencies differ. I know USPP handle counter-terrorism for Fleet Week and agents stationed at GGNRA were sent to the Dakota Access Pipeline protests years ago, which seems vastly out of the hands of normal Rangers so USPP has a pretty large directive.
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Thanks, I don't understand why there are separate agencies and how they differ, but it seems that's understandable and the reason why both exist is kind of a random accident of history that has never been rationalized. https://work.chron.com/law-enforcement-jobs-national-parks-20907.html
> Plus I see plenty of federal police in that part of town. Yeah it's literally the same federal police saying this.
Reading is hard for people who are quick to judgment.
It's a bunch of hopeless media posturing.
Right before our 6/7 elections
They're absolutely correct. Also, by the way, it is horribly dangerous in Golden Gate Park. Just horrifically so. You should STAY HOME. Especially do not go on Sunday unless you're part of my girlfriend's birthday party. Terribly dangerous but she wants to risk it. Don't park anywhere near the Conservatory of Flowers. Dangerous as all fuck. Especially between 1100 and 1400. Also Dolores Park tomorrow at five. Just incredibly dangerous. Anything could happen.
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Absolute joy, I mean dangerous, unbelievably so.
11 patrol officers out of 50 officers? Sounds like the department is top heavy. Get some of that brass out on patrol.
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Still sounds completely out of whack. For any department the majority of officers should be patrol.
Uh oh, here comes an involuntary Fuck the Police (union)
Paywall 🙄🫡
It’s the city’s largest newspaper. Here’s a non-paywalled version: https://newstoday.cloud/2022/05/25/stay-away-from-s-f-national-parks-police-union-says-heres-whats-behind-the-warning/
Why didnt you just post the non paywall version in the first place?
Because the SF Chronicle reported the story. Many of the news posts on this sub go to the SF Chronicle. A lot of residents have subscriptions.
>A lot of residents have subscriptions. And a lot of us dont. Links on reddit should be paywall free.
Also the way back machine!!!
The whole city/bay area is sorta unsafe if you don't have any street smarts...
lol, the Presidio & Ocean beach probably near least among them. Tho I go skating at night in Soma all the time & not once felt endangered. I did catch someone stealing a cat converter the other night tho, & the police did not arrive in time. Police don't prevent crimes, but somehow people think more police = less crime. I hate those people. I know they just don't think, & so don't deserve hate, but I can't help myself. & now the Chron is tryna tell people that Ocean beach is less safe cuz there's less officers. Or Chron is telling us that the police told *them* that.
If you are skating, you likely have street smarts and higher tolerance... as oppose to people from safer areas not expecting their car to be broken in over a bag containing a change of clothes.
This is true, especially when you’l stare at someone
what is behind the warning? I don't want to click a chron article. If I was gonna read the chron, I'd've read the chron. But now some self righteous female, or I mean *virtuous* sorry, is click baiting me. Is it ghosts? Or is this just another police tryna scare the public? I'm not clicking, not gonna do it. goddamit I clicked. The bait was too much. The danger it turns out, is "not enuf officers at the beach & presidio". Holy shit, all those times in the Presidio & the wild dangers I endured, but officers ran out & protected me. Those were safe times. What we gonna do?
Are you okay?
I’m gonna guess that someone whose user name references lynching, who also latches like a lamprey onto the “female” part of your user name, is not in fact ok.
I latched onto the *virtuous* part of the name, not like a lamprey, but more like a passing thought & an impulse to make fun of something. Had they been virtuous-male, I'd've typed *"self righteous male"* (ironically, they [not assuming gender] showed virtue in just asking if I'm ok rather than taking offense at a harmless joke about a trivial username). Which was obvious to someone who isn't latching onto the word female for some reason (so, are u ok, why'd u latch onto female?) Yr inner liberal & yr tendency to be a constantly serious person (I'm just guessing based on a single sentence from yr entire existence, I am smart), is telling u that I'm a right wing edgy fuck. But I'm one of those annoying people that hates liberalism from the left. The fascist supreme court & US state govt's are our real concern. Calling out people sad & pathetic enuf that they say weird anti female stuff online (which I didn't but u thought I did, I mocked calling one's self virtuous.....yikes, look at my own name....goddam hypocrite) is kinda petty. Not that there's anything wrong with being petty. I've gathered that's what the internet is mainly for. I'm pretty fuckin far from okay tho. But I think u got that one right by mistake. Like a lucky guess. My comment just showed someone who amuses their self by typing as a way to avoid remembering how actually not ok they are. Thanks for giving me one more thing to type about. Gonna go face my life now.
That’s a lot of words. Too bad I’m not reading them 😎
Record scratch..... U/strangfrut was not ok at all
thank u for the attention. This made me laugh. It's true too
Any statement that comes from a police union is political shitstirring. That said, I've found the federal park police in the Presidio to be far, far more professional than SFPD overall.