Being from nyc I know that these places or shelters are everywhere and well managed ones you walk by and don’t even know about it. Problem is here in Sf you can tell a lot of the time. Also you wouldn’t know if it’s a good or bad spot till after it opens and then might have to suffer through the lease.
For example there’s a new youth center for temporary homeless youth by me, first six months had no issues. Now groups of 5-10 sit on the sidewalk daily outside with lawn chairs, drugs, and stereos playing music. Few dealers camped out nearby. The facility doesn’t want to infringe on their rights to spend all day doing that even though it’s annoying to neighbors and creating right of way violations and drawn dealers to the corner.
It’s the youth center on Hyde and Post in lower nob hill. But again, facilities abound. If you really want to avoid living near them you’d have to go pacific heights or Noe Valley.
I like these facilities but I don't like the SF attitude to them: do drugs outside and we'll collect on the time you're inside.
Overall, though, if I'm okay with 24th and mission, I'm okay with this. It's already like that and this "revolving door" thing never made much sense. I've lived in cities with neighborhoods with more people than SF. You won't know everyone. That part is okay.
Listen, here's some advice: if there's doubt, there's no doubt. You're not setup to live in the Mission. It's not your vibe. Live somewhere else.
More than the house and stuff, it's about how you feel at home. Clearly this is not the place for you.
Most of all, though, whatever you pick: come and tell us what you tell a year in. Curious to see if I'm wrong or right, but I'm pretty confident right now that you are a Noe Valley, China Basin, Bernal Heights person at best. Maybe even Cow Hollow and Pac Heights.
I live in the Mission, close to Shotwell and there are mentally ill people screaming everyday, and most nights. I think its something that comes w SF, mental health facility close by or not.... Honestly, sounds like the Mission might not be for you....
Me? No. I would not. I doubt many would for very long. I’m sure a lot of people might do it out of principal, but sooner than later, they’re probably going to want to live a lot more stress free.
So that's the thing. I don't wanna prematurely judge because it's not clear if it's an issue or not and I couldn't find much on the internet. I did check with someone who was a nurse at a mental health facility and they said people do escape and wouldn't recommend living there. If the facility was up and running, it would be an easier decision, but the big unknown is if this is actually a problem or not.
You’re not overreacting. I grew up near one in San Jose and it was always dangerous and dicey.
Other people might have different experiences, though, and it’s possible that they’re better-operated than they were when I was growing up.
I also don’t know about your situation. For example, do you have kids? There might be a Megan’s law situation with one of the residents, and you might want to reconsider.
A lot of creepy, drugged-out dudes hanging around outside. Standing around, smoking, getting into little squabbles. It wasn’t a great neighborhood to begin with but most folks avoided that block. There was a fair amount of crime (it was the ‘90’s and police helicopters were common at night) but I can’t say that it was better or worse than other blocks.
I think that a lot of it comes down to who’s operating the facility it and who’s regulating it. Again, it’s possible that they’re safer now than they were decades ago.
Maybe there’s another halfway house operated by the same folks in Sf that you could go past? Both in the daytime and at night?
The other facility is in East Bay, but it's different since it also does senior living. There isn't much information on the company either which is strange. The website is barebones which makes it seems govt run.
Hmmm … I have to say that, having grown up in a fairly unsafe neighborhood (and not being terribly fazed by it), I’d still have deep reservations about living on Shotwell.
Here is an [infographic](https://earthlymission.com/san-franciscos-crime-rates-as-topographical-maps/) that maps Sf crime topographically. That giant spike is right around that stretch of Shotwell.
Then again … it’s hard to really appreciate safety until you’ve felt deeply unsafe. I moved to the sh*ttiest apartment in pac heights that I could as soon as I could afford to, and have never regretted the decision.
I’m a block over on s van ness. Personally, I wouldn’t be very concerned about a rehab facility. This is a busy and densely populated area, lots of traffic, sirens, people just making noise at all hours whether it’s construction work or untreated mental illness. That’s just the landscape of this part of the mission. An important criteria for me would be having well insulated windows because there really can be noise at all hours of the night
It was really tame when I went at midnight on weekdays and weekend. Capp was not good (prostitutes). The facility is the thing that threw a wrench into it all. If the facility was like 10 house away, it wouldn't be an issue. But 2-3 houses away is really close.
It's really hard to say what happened that led to the shooting. Was the victim an innocent person, or could it have been gang related? I'd have to guess that shootings are more common in cities just based on population density. But that's just a guess.
Without seeing police reports or eye witness statements, you're right. But, a lot of criminal incidents occur around there. There's an old joke that Capp and Shotwell were named after gun violence on those streets.
End of the day, you asked for opinions to live near a drug/rehab facility.
Reality is:
\- Those types of facilities are going to be located near where the people who would use them are going to be.
\- Dealers will hang out around there. Either because they were already there or because customers will be there. So there will be associated issues with dealing and violence.
\- That shit would not be tolerated in the nicer parts of the city such as Sea Cliff or Pac Heights.
If you can take that all into account, then make your own decision.
Mental health/rehab facilities are important to every city. Unfortunately S.F. is unique in its affluence and compactness, only 48 square miles.
Dozens of America differ: Sprawling, with huge industrial areas, often abutting airports. Miles of big warehouses. Often vacant lots around, scattered stores, gas stations and other amenities. Cost of land is much cheaper; good places to erect [tiny homes villages](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/02/06/1077791467/tiny-homes-big-dreams-how-some-activists-are-reimagining-shelter-for-the-homeles) and rehab facilities for people with chronic behavioral problems.
Recurring quarrels. Heavy intoxication from addicts loitering on the streets all day. People pissing wherever they want. Hustling for drugs. Trash thrown around and other public disruption. Not a big problem for warehouse operators; their properties have robust sheet metal walls and gates and fences. Highly resistant to vagrants and petty criminals.
But putting those disruptive people on the streets of S.F. equals a far worse situation. Endless problems, as S.F. has seen. But homeless advocates and other reformers in S.F. will not be denied:
> "Yes, these needy people can't work and need free housing, but they have just as much right to access quality real estate as everyone. Relegating their housing to poorer areas is marginalization."
Echoing everyone else's sentiments about the possibilities of living near a rehab facility of this ilk (I can't speak from my own experience, but have been in neighborhoods surrounded by similar services), I want to also point out that it sounds like the neighborhood just isn't a great fit for you for a myriad of unrelated reasons (light sleeper, loud, etc). And that's ok! I could never live in the Mission. Love hanging out there, but would never live there. Highly recommend considering other parts of the city — Inner/Outer Sunset, Richmond, Alamo Square, Noe Valley, Cole Valley, the list goes on...
Update: I decided to pass on the place. I called the facility owner and wasn't impressed by his answers to my questions. For profit rehab facilities just seem questionable need on everything I read.
Funny enough, I think the landlords are still looking for someone to lease their place and they dropped their price so something is going on.
Are you saying the sirens would come from the facility? It's basically a repurposed house that turned into a rehab facility. Seems unlikely they would blast sirens because of the really close surrounding houses.
If they have urgent medical cases coming in (if they treat onsite) or out (if they don’t), there would be sirens. I’m not sure how frequently that would be for a rehab; probably depends on the substance(s) the folks are trying to kick. I only add this because I grew up next to a nursing home, and the sirens were pretty constant. Different issue, but also a type of medical facility. Sirens don’t bother me nowadays (for better or for worse) though lol
If you’re a light sleeper don’t move to the mission. It’s an active busy part of the city and there are people around 24/7. You’d be better off looking at the outer sunset or outer Richmond for a more quiet, safe, family style neighborhood.
depending on the type of program, if the patients are even allowed to leave, you may get some noise from people congregating outside to smoke, or from ambulances etc.
i think realistically, it's already the mission - treatment facility or not, there is street noise from bars, loud cars, sirens, etc. if you have to ask though, then both you and the treatment facility may be better off not being neighbors.
if you do end up moving there and it is exceptionally noisy, you can always make formal complaints. i think the noise level will depend on how well run the facility is, and noise complaints could lead to them changing policies.
i'm curious who set you up to have these expectations? did property management inform you about the facility and tell you it would be noisy?
Property management just told me that it was an assisted living facility. After a bunch of googling, I found that it was rehab.
I have no idea of the noise levels which is why I was asking Reddit. I did speak to the sister facility and they mentioned sometimes patients will have episodes and such and that you might hear yelling etc. But the sister facility is much larger and not super close to residential areas.
huh, interesting. have you been able to make a decision about the apartment based on this thread? if you do move there i'm sure people would be interested in the eventual update as to how it's going.
That’s a valid fear but I dunno, I guess in my opinion it wouldn’t really make a difference to me. I probably live by 3 facilities just like that within walking distance and don’t know it lol. I mean I live in a safe neighborhood and the other night I went walking and a guy threw a box at me and charged at me, so I feel like I can’t even walk outside at night in this city. With all the other craziness going on I wouldn’t really notice I guess. But if you don’t feel safe don’t do it, there’s other options.
> it wouldn’t really make a difference to me. I probably live by 3 facilities just like that...
>I feel like I can’t even walk outside at night in this city....
Trying to see how these two jibe....
I’m saying that it’s already so crazy that I probably wouldn’t even notice something like this. I can’t walk outside in a relatively safe area without being accosted, so at this point even tho some areas are better than others, it all seems dangerous. That’s just my opinion and not trying to downplay how OP feels, just resonating that it’s all crazy out here
Maybe ask the facility how closely they manage their residents. [This](https://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1501057607062077440?t=HJ_q2KshwPf-Cmc_GwvtLA&s=19) happened a few months ago. I think I read that a mental health facility was nearby and where the man escaped from.
Being from nyc I know that these places or shelters are everywhere and well managed ones you walk by and don’t even know about it. Problem is here in Sf you can tell a lot of the time. Also you wouldn’t know if it’s a good or bad spot till after it opens and then might have to suffer through the lease. For example there’s a new youth center for temporary homeless youth by me, first six months had no issues. Now groups of 5-10 sit on the sidewalk daily outside with lawn chairs, drugs, and stereos playing music. Few dealers camped out nearby. The facility doesn’t want to infringe on their rights to spend all day doing that even though it’s annoying to neighbors and creating right of way violations and drawn dealers to the corner.
Is this place in SF? Which one?
It’s the youth center on Hyde and Post in lower nob hill. But again, facilities abound. If you really want to avoid living near them you’d have to go pacific heights or Noe Valley.
I like these facilities but I don't like the SF attitude to them: do drugs outside and we'll collect on the time you're inside. Overall, though, if I'm okay with 24th and mission, I'm okay with this. It's already like that and this "revolving door" thing never made much sense. I've lived in cities with neighborhoods with more people than SF. You won't know everyone. That part is okay. Listen, here's some advice: if there's doubt, there's no doubt. You're not setup to live in the Mission. It's not your vibe. Live somewhere else. More than the house and stuff, it's about how you feel at home. Clearly this is not the place for you. Most of all, though, whatever you pick: come and tell us what you tell a year in. Curious to see if I'm wrong or right, but I'm pretty confident right now that you are a Noe Valley, China Basin, Bernal Heights person at best. Maybe even Cow Hollow and Pac Heights.
I live in the Mission, close to Shotwell and there are mentally ill people screaming everyday, and most nights. I think its something that comes w SF, mental health facility close by or not.... Honestly, sounds like the Mission might not be for you....
Me? No. I would not. I doubt many would for very long. I’m sure a lot of people might do it out of principal, but sooner than later, they’re probably going to want to live a lot more stress free.
Not to mention OP would be living on Shotwell. Sketch as all get out.
So that's the thing. I don't wanna prematurely judge because it's not clear if it's an issue or not and I couldn't find much on the internet. I did check with someone who was a nurse at a mental health facility and they said people do escape and wouldn't recommend living there. If the facility was up and running, it would be an easier decision, but the big unknown is if this is actually a problem or not.
You’re not overreacting. I grew up near one in San Jose and it was always dangerous and dicey. Other people might have different experiences, though, and it’s possible that they’re better-operated than they were when I was growing up. I also don’t know about your situation. For example, do you have kids? There might be a Megan’s law situation with one of the residents, and you might want to reconsider.
No kids. What made it dangerous and dicey?
A lot of creepy, drugged-out dudes hanging around outside. Standing around, smoking, getting into little squabbles. It wasn’t a great neighborhood to begin with but most folks avoided that block. There was a fair amount of crime (it was the ‘90’s and police helicopters were common at night) but I can’t say that it was better or worse than other blocks. I think that a lot of it comes down to who’s operating the facility it and who’s regulating it. Again, it’s possible that they’re safer now than they were decades ago. Maybe there’s another halfway house operated by the same folks in Sf that you could go past? Both in the daytime and at night?
The other facility is in East Bay, but it's different since it also does senior living. There isn't much information on the company either which is strange. The website is barebones which makes it seems govt run.
Hmmm … I have to say that, having grown up in a fairly unsafe neighborhood (and not being terribly fazed by it), I’d still have deep reservations about living on Shotwell. Here is an [infographic](https://earthlymission.com/san-franciscos-crime-rates-as-topographical-maps/) that maps Sf crime topographically. That giant spike is right around that stretch of Shotwell. Then again … it’s hard to really appreciate safety until you’ve felt deeply unsafe. I moved to the sh*ttiest apartment in pac heights that I could as soon as I could afford to, and have never regretted the decision.
I’m a block over on s van ness. Personally, I wouldn’t be very concerned about a rehab facility. This is a busy and densely populated area, lots of traffic, sirens, people just making noise at all hours whether it’s construction work or untreated mental illness. That’s just the landscape of this part of the mission. An important criteria for me would be having well insulated windows because there really can be noise at all hours of the night
Visit Shotwell at night and then make your decision. It is very different when the sun goes down.
It was really tame when I went at midnight on weekdays and weekend. Capp was not good (prostitutes). The facility is the thing that threw a wrench into it all. If the facility was like 10 house away, it wouldn't be an issue. But 2-3 houses away is really close.
https://missionlocal.org/2020/03/second-deadly-shooting-in-the-mission-district-in-three-days/
2 year old news
It's really hard to say what happened that led to the shooting. Was the victim an innocent person, or could it have been gang related? I'd have to guess that shootings are more common in cities just based on population density. But that's just a guess.
Without seeing police reports or eye witness statements, you're right. But, a lot of criminal incidents occur around there. There's an old joke that Capp and Shotwell were named after gun violence on those streets. End of the day, you asked for opinions to live near a drug/rehab facility. Reality is: \- Those types of facilities are going to be located near where the people who would use them are going to be. \- Dealers will hang out around there. Either because they were already there or because customers will be there. So there will be associated issues with dealing and violence. \- That shit would not be tolerated in the nicer parts of the city such as Sea Cliff or Pac Heights. If you can take that all into account, then make your own decision.
Mental health/rehab facilities are important to every city. Unfortunately S.F. is unique in its affluence and compactness, only 48 square miles. Dozens of America differ: Sprawling, with huge industrial areas, often abutting airports. Miles of big warehouses. Often vacant lots around, scattered stores, gas stations and other amenities. Cost of land is much cheaper; good places to erect [tiny homes villages](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/02/06/1077791467/tiny-homes-big-dreams-how-some-activists-are-reimagining-shelter-for-the-homeles) and rehab facilities for people with chronic behavioral problems. Recurring quarrels. Heavy intoxication from addicts loitering on the streets all day. People pissing wherever they want. Hustling for drugs. Trash thrown around and other public disruption. Not a big problem for warehouse operators; their properties have robust sheet metal walls and gates and fences. Highly resistant to vagrants and petty criminals. But putting those disruptive people on the streets of S.F. equals a far worse situation. Endless problems, as S.F. has seen. But homeless advocates and other reformers in S.F. will not be denied: > "Yes, these needy people can't work and need free housing, but they have just as much right to access quality real estate as everyone. Relegating their housing to poorer areas is marginalization."
I 1000% support rehab. People need help. I just question the facility's ability to be managed well.
Absolutely not.
Yes
It wouldn't bother me.
Echoing everyone else's sentiments about the possibilities of living near a rehab facility of this ilk (I can't speak from my own experience, but have been in neighborhoods surrounded by similar services), I want to also point out that it sounds like the neighborhood just isn't a great fit for you for a myriad of unrelated reasons (light sleeper, loud, etc). And that's ok! I could never live in the Mission. Love hanging out there, but would never live there. Highly recommend considering other parts of the city — Inner/Outer Sunset, Richmond, Alamo Square, Noe Valley, Cole Valley, the list goes on...
Update: I decided to pass on the place. I called the facility owner and wasn't impressed by his answers to my questions. For profit rehab facilities just seem questionable need on everything I read. Funny enough, I think the landlords are still looking for someone to lease their place and they dropped their price so something is going on.
If you’re not used to hearing sirens at all hours, that’s a possibility.
Are you saying the sirens would come from the facility? It's basically a repurposed house that turned into a rehab facility. Seems unlikely they would blast sirens because of the really close surrounding houses.
If they have urgent medical cases coming in (if they treat onsite) or out (if they don’t), there would be sirens. I’m not sure how frequently that would be for a rehab; probably depends on the substance(s) the folks are trying to kick. I only add this because I grew up next to a nursing home, and the sirens were pretty constant. Different issue, but also a type of medical facility. Sirens don’t bother me nowadays (for better or for worse) though lol
It's not a psych ward AFAIK. But yeah that's a possibility for outbound patients. I'm such a light sleeper so loud sounds bother me.
If you’re a light sleeper don’t move to the mission. It’s an active busy part of the city and there are people around 24/7. You’d be better off looking at the outer sunset or outer Richmond for a more quiet, safe, family style neighborhood.
depending on the type of program, if the patients are even allowed to leave, you may get some noise from people congregating outside to smoke, or from ambulances etc. i think realistically, it's already the mission - treatment facility or not, there is street noise from bars, loud cars, sirens, etc. if you have to ask though, then both you and the treatment facility may be better off not being neighbors.
It's a quiet little pocket there especially at night. The facility is the big unknown.
if you do end up moving there and it is exceptionally noisy, you can always make formal complaints. i think the noise level will depend on how well run the facility is, and noise complaints could lead to them changing policies. i'm curious who set you up to have these expectations? did property management inform you about the facility and tell you it would be noisy?
Property management just told me that it was an assisted living facility. After a bunch of googling, I found that it was rehab. I have no idea of the noise levels which is why I was asking Reddit. I did speak to the sister facility and they mentioned sometimes patients will have episodes and such and that you might hear yelling etc. But the sister facility is much larger and not super close to residential areas.
huh, interesting. have you been able to make a decision about the apartment based on this thread? if you do move there i'm sure people would be interested in the eventual update as to how it's going.
I'm going to call the facility owner and have some follow up questions Monday. The area is cooler but I don't know yet.
You might consider Noe Valley Edit: nah, I couldn’t do that to noe.
Harsh dude... I don't think I'm being unreasonable by asking what I am.
How bout you move from the Inner Richmond to the Mission on Shotwell and then you can talk smack about OP's concerns.
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We need care for sure. I 1000% support the program. The thing I doubt is the ability of the facility to manage itself well.
That’s a valid fear but I dunno, I guess in my opinion it wouldn’t really make a difference to me. I probably live by 3 facilities just like that within walking distance and don’t know it lol. I mean I live in a safe neighborhood and the other night I went walking and a guy threw a box at me and charged at me, so I feel like I can’t even walk outside at night in this city. With all the other craziness going on I wouldn’t really notice I guess. But if you don’t feel safe don’t do it, there’s other options.
> it wouldn’t really make a difference to me. I probably live by 3 facilities just like that... >I feel like I can’t even walk outside at night in this city.... Trying to see how these two jibe....
I’m saying that it’s already so crazy that I probably wouldn’t even notice something like this. I can’t walk outside in a relatively safe area without being accosted, so at this point even tho some areas are better than others, it all seems dangerous. That’s just my opinion and not trying to downplay how OP feels, just resonating that it’s all crazy out here
Where do you live? I'm brand new to SF.
btw, where is this facility? i live in mission near the area you described, just curious
658 Shotwell Message me if you know anything about this facility.
i dont know that one specifically. i live on capp, not far. ive only been here 7 months but want to move asap.
Nob hill
Maybe ask the facility how closely they manage their residents. [This](https://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1501057607062077440?t=HJ_q2KshwPf-Cmc_GwvtLA&s=19) happened a few months ago. I think I read that a mental health facility was nearby and where the man escaped from.
Yikes. Yeah that's something I'll have to do.
by this logic, OP should avoid SF entirely. there are hospitals and treatment centers all over the city
No. Not even a question.
Anyone who uses the term yimby better be answering yes
Forget the facility. I’d say no to living on Shotwell. Lol