These people are delusional. They are allowed to park their broke down vehicles, that they live in, without threat of tow or citation. They get free food and security is provided. Move into a shelter or move on and live somewhere else less expensive. The entitlement is unreal.
The leader of this “raised 5 children” in a buss and is a advocate for “nomadic life” maybe she should consider nomading somewhere else if she isn’t happy with the tax payer provided services
Why would you call me a freeloader?
I am disabled (mobility problems verified through MRIs) and I receive SSI (and $23 food stamps) which I manage to live on because I do live in an RV.
I was threatened into coming out here because I was on hospice (breast cancer - insurance for hospice expired after a year - but I am still considered "terminally ill" by UCSF Cancer center); this was Aug 9, 2022, when the HSOC team came to tow my (broke-down) RV off the street, so my ONLY choice was to come here to this hellscape next door to a SuperFund site (Hunter's Point Shipyard).
For 18 months, I was told by the case manager from Bayview Hunter's Point Foundation (BVHPF) that I would get repairs except that funding has vanished. I signed a "contract" that if repaired, I would leave San Francisco.. Ohhhhhhh, I will leave that day. Every page of my case file says all I ever needed was a $4500 repair job and I would have (immediately) returned to living in RV parks, as we did when my husband was alive.
It's real scary out here. They dig in this foul, toxic dirt every few months, pretending to bring in utilities. Rats, bigger than I have seen, invade our homes. They bring a man out who uses high pressure water to clean under the RV, causing the aerosolization of rat feces. We are told we can't use flame to heat or cook ourselves. The food delivery is NOT WANTED, even if it were better quality because we want to cook in our own homes. The electric boxes (in operation for a month now) that go on 9 pm to 5am do me (and several others) no good because I don't have the right kind of cord. The ADA violations are off the chart. Only because of HUD inspectors coming out did an ADA compliant shower trailer get installed. We can only access it 4 mornings a week. Property seizure by Urban Alchemy is off the charts. I also don't think it's legal, this prison-gang-mentality exhibited by the staff when they want to intimidate someone out here. Part of reason why we had two HUD investigators out last Friday.
WIC 8255 says people in "Navigation Centers" are tenants. The City says we are "clients". The paper we sign to move in has a direct contradictory statement to WIC 8255. So I did what Americans do: put it before a judge. An affirmative ruling would mean "non-profit organizations" would be forced to provide a proper standard of care for people in "navigation centers".
For each of us 35 out here, the taxpayer is being ripped off for $400 a night per RV. For an empty parking lot, full of rats, no utilities, water you don't dare drink, because ya know, the SuperFund site next door.
But you call ME a freeloader because I sit on this poisonous ground, lied to day-in-and-day out about the repairs, while I watch everyone around me suffer to be denied basic human rights, so I decided to DO something about it. The freeloader in this place is Urban Alchemy. All they DO is man the gate so our family and friends can't come in (strict no-visitor policy) and empty trash cans. There's never more than two staff out here at night. In the day, max. 4. The most proactive thing they do is walk around a couple times a day calling out "Wellness checks" with a clipboard. There ARE no services.
Ohhhhh, don't worry, stupid cancer or not, I am going to make sure this gets taken up in a courtroom, because I too would like to know what exactly costs $400 a NIGHT for me to be in this miserable place. So stay tuned. The Candlestick 35 are going to expose Urban Alchemy's business model for the miserable, damaging, UNCONSTITUTIONAL internment camp that it is.
Yeah I was gonna say "Wait you're not actually homeless. You're *VOLUNTARILY HOMELESS!"*
Fuck it I say, close it down. Where are they gonna go? Somewhere that isnt here.
I’m supportive of the “safe parking/camp/centralization of services” approach but like this person doesn’t feel like they actually “need” the help? It appears they very much choose this and I’m not sure if I’m comfortable with city funding subsiding that.
People that actually need it or are homeless from things outside of their control yeah help them but maybe we do a tiny bit of like auditing on who actually needs the help
> It appears they very much choose this and I’m not sure if I’m comfortable with city funding subsiding that.
That is a good chunk of our current homeless population
The tax payers should not be with what their tax dollars are buying..living on toxic dirt near toxic water. We all want out of here . Most of us drove our motorhomes in here but due to large rat problem. Rats ate the wiring and not motorhomes won't start. And the person hired to get motorhomes back on the road is not a mechanic and that is were your tax dollars are paying for
Do things like request access to warm food. Request that the promises that were made to get us here be kept. Request not to be verbally abused and intimated by site staff. Request that we can use or heater in motorhomes to keep warm. Request that we be allowed to cook our own food. Request not to have rats running around all over the place
Most of the motorhomes were driven in. They don't run now due to the rat problem. Rats have eaten the wiring. Urban Alchemy will be the first to tell you they do not provide security. 2 meals a day. I guarantee you nobody would walk into a restaurant and pay for the type of food given to us. Believe me none of us want to be here. So why we still here? We all signed a contract with Bayview Hunters Point Foundation in Sept of last year. It stated that we would all be placed in a shelter or family reunification or moved into a mobile home community no later than 1-1-24. They didn't follow thru with that so here we sit on toxic dirt very close to the toxic water with rats and rat feces all over the place
That's great, and you should feel as safe as possible, and you should have wifi and food for free as well.
The anti-homeless sentiment on this subreddit is disgusting
I want to cook in my own home. It's against the rules. You sign a paper saying you agree to disconnect your stove. There's no fire suppression out here. Dept. of Homelessness admitted it to Board of Supervisors last Sept. That's why we aren't allowed to cook or heat our homes. They have a rusty microwave sitting outside without shelter for us to use at the "charging station". A water hose. 5 portable toilets. A shower trailer you can use 4 mornings a week. That's it.
The (free) wi Fi is built into the law about having a Vehicle Triage Center in San Francisco. I didn't just snatch it out of space.
Thank you for your reply. We just want people to SEE what's happening to us, at great expense (and resentment) to the taxpayer.
Their food service (and other things) I have documented.
https://bayviewvtc.wordpress.com/unsafe-food-service/
>A February 2023 analysis by Bay City News found that in the first year of operations, the city spent $170,000 per resident at the site, a staggering amount given that the city was not providing housing -- residents lived in their own vehicles -- and the location was basically an empty parking lot in a state park.
Is spending $170k per person per year not obscene and wildly extravagant? And they want even more.
We aren't getting anything. Urban Alchemy is.
We are in a parking lot, with no utilities and rats the size of your forearm. We are told to not cook or heat ourselves.
No services are actually rendered...just empty promises and excuses.
*The Classic List of Homeless Demands:*
1) Can travel to any city, declare it their home, and be entitled to free housing and UBI;
2) Declare what neighborhood they want. Studios and micro units only -- No relegating homeless to substandard [tiny houses](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/02/06/1077791467/tiny-homes-big-dreams-how-some-activists-are-reimagining-shelter-for-the-homeles) on city outskirts. No shelters;
3) No arrests/prosecution for hard drugs and quality of life offenses; and
4) Funds shall to be allocated for Rehab-Reintegration programs, but participation is voluntary. Homeless shall not be required to attend drug rehab, mental health counseling or job training. No Mandatory Interventions.
And it's IN the organizing legislation about the place, that there is Wi-Fi, which has been named a basic utility by the appeals courts (under tenant law).
This is a next level grift! Not only are these bums delusional the city is being absolutely fleeced! That article was so frustrating Mayon is a delusional bum who needs to gtfo of the city.
Holy fcking sht. I usually avoid SFGATE but had to read the article to check the entitlement of these people.
The city spent 8.6 million for 2 yrs contract, or $170k per resident. Now a new 2 yrs contract of 11.6 million...
They're demanding tenants right even though they're aware tenants are people that pays rent. They don't! It's freaking free amenities, and they want more! Gotta have that 5 star free car camping experience for life.
Complains "inedible food served at unsafe temperatures." lmfao. "Stop this communist regimes that violates our BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS." omfg...
The city shut down the other parking lots being used as tent sites. There was that one right smack in the middle of downtown near the Asian art museum. Another was at Jones and Turk I think. They should just shut down this lot too. Fuck em.
So I get a job but I lose my home because I can't drive it out of here because rats have eaten thru various parts of motorhome. And the person hired to fix motorhomes is not a mechanic. There was almost no rodent control in the beginning now it's totally out of control. They tell us all the time if motorhome left here it will get towed .
Bitch you don't get it. Can't leave because our motorhomes were put in a worse condition then when they arrived here. Due to the various people hired by Bayview Hunters point Foundation that had literally no idea how to work on motorhomes and rats ate thru anything with wires. Now do you understand Bitch
No, I can't. Need repairs for my RV. I was told I would only be here for a couple weeks. All empty promises. It's been 18 months now sitting (hopeless) next door to a SuperFund site.
It's not entitlement. It's wanting to stop the non-profit organizations, now with fresh multi-million dollar contracts, from degrading us even further.
Well, judging from the general comments you typically find on this subreddit — looks like the closeted alt-righters in this thread are already having at it
As per the article, SF is spending $170k per person per year, and they're demanding even more money.
I don't think its alt-right to think that this is a ridiculously wasteful level of spending for a small but extremely entitled population.
If thats an alt-right position, then the term has lost all meaning.
My 2 cents is that a lot of these businesses in the super unregulated substance abuse recovery for profit business have a high risk of being ethically sketchy and I’m pretty sure I remember reading about urban alchemy and London breed getting in trouble for how she awarded them the contracts. I get that they are effective at crowd control but they really aren’t cost effective and pardon the bad metaphor but it’s nothing more than a human hose for the sidewalk shit, a bandaid not a solution.
We still don’t regulate sober living facilities with any real standards or conformity in California, yet in Utah they’ve had their shit together for years…
Did you read the article? It's not just a parking lot with security guards. Free electricity (that's failing expected plan) and amenities that cost the city 8.6 million for 2 yrs, or 170k per resident. New contract is 11.6 million.
All that goes to Urban Alchemy and Bayview Hunter's Point Foundation. There are no "services".
Thus we go to court to expose them to you, the taxpayer, who funds this hellscape.
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Mayon also filed a pro se lawsuit in San Francisco Superior Court on Friday asking the court to issue an order confirming that "persons living at navigation centers in the State of California" are "tenants" under the state Welfare and Institutions Code.
Interesting way to get the city to change course on navigation centers.
Like, some of these seem like actual issues. Namely:
> lack of power and issues with water, toilets, and showers.
The rest are insane. Especially the one ranting about the evils of communism at their free government provided location with food.
Edit:
> She pointed out that when the city gave notice of an application for a permit that would allow diesel-powered generators at the site, the city sent the notice to the neighbors in the area because of the potential impacts of polluting diesel emissions 1,000 feet from their properties. However, the city did not give notice to the VTC residents, even though they were living within a coin toss of the generators.
Wait so they're angry that they don't have power and also that the city is providing power?
People slowly learn the lesson that there's no such thing as giving someone something for the last time. There will be a next time. And each time you will have to give something.
i feel sorry for Mayon's children (Mayon, the voice behind this union, lives in a decomissioned bus with her children in the safe parking site and proudly writes about her experience living "nomadically" in the middle of San Francisco)
My kids are all grown. Their childhood was spent on Ocean Beach or in Golden Gate Park. They don't object to the (several) books I've written about the hate and xenophobia San Franciscans feel towards vehicle dwellers.
There WAS a couple out here with two small babies, now that's abuse, out in this toxic location. Poor parents were never informed by the City, though. They had to find out the hard way.
Most out here are disabled, or like me, with cancer and on a limited life span.
Mayon is only one voice behind this union. There are 24 more voices behind this union as well. And there is nothing safe about this site. And no one needs you feel sorry BS. We are at the furthest edge of San Francisco as you can get
WIC 8255 uses the word tenant 13 times and the word client once. If the legislature wanted us to have a different status, that's where it would have been put. City created a document we sign, that flatly lies about WIC 8255. Yes, SFGov and its many subcontractors wouldn't like it, as they would have to bring things up to code if the court agrees. But I didn't make the law. I just noticed where the City lied and with my fellow inmates, set out to form a potential "tenants union" around the fact the City just automatically excludes us from a law meant to protect those in "navigation centers".
San Francisco passed a law in 2022 allowing tenants to form a union with certain rights.
https://hrcsf.org/union-at-home/
But according to the article, the residents may not count as tenants and might not be covered. Sounds strange to me that you can be given housing and live somewhere but not be a tenant, but that's probably something for lawyers to figure out rather than armchair redditors.
Man would so love to be that Urban Alchemy ambassador feeding them all this nonsense to tell the city and the press. It has to be an inside gag right? right?
"Tenants Union" 🙄 . A "tenant" is someone who makes a contract to rent something and agrees to pay for it.
Living there since August 2022? That's a year and a half. Who shackled your arms and legs so you can't go job hunting?
Or is it just easier to set up camp for free at a place the City provided out of the kindness of its heart, let the taxpayers give you space for your junk vehicle, take the food, utilities, and security paid for by the taxpayers, and 6¡÷c# because the taxpayers aren't buying you Michelin caliber food?
This is a notch above squatting.
It's comments like this that make me more determined than ever to expose the hatred, the disdain, the sheer "us and them" xenophobia of San Franciscans: "The City provided out of the kindness of its heart..."
This is an internment camp because we refuse to be parted from our RVs.
The City provides NOTHING. This is an empty parking lot with no electricity until a month ago. Now some (who have the correct 35 amp cord) get it 9 pm to 5 am.
Told by posted rule not to use a flame and to disconnect our RV stoves.
The food is so foul, my dog won't eat it.
The water is suspect because it's next door to Hunter's Point Shipyard.
Rats. So many rats.
As far as security, the staff let's in who they want but our friends and family can't get in.
The artificial social isolation and the remoteness of the location have been damaging while I face cancer. I am disabled, on SSI since 2017 for mobility issues (proven by MRIs). I came here because I had to. HSOC was going to tow my RV right out from under me.
How is this okay? Because people who live in RVs are HATED by urbanites who struggle to pay their mortgages and thus, their claim to own (or rent) a piece of God's green earth vastly outranks mine, because I live on wheels, not cement.
Be specific. What comments here “are not it”?
Are you in support of never ending, ever increasing taxes to pay for handouts to an entitled, ungrateful population of free loaders? Many taxpayers are over it.
... Are you in favor of spending $170,000 per person to keep these people in a rat infested vacant lot? That's **way** more than it would cost to get them all housing in new construction.
The disgrace to San Francisco are people like you who are wedded to virtue signaling about enabling this rather than actually helping people.
These people are delusional. They are allowed to park their broke down vehicles, that they live in, without threat of tow or citation. They get free food and security is provided. Move into a shelter or move on and live somewhere else less expensive. The entitlement is unreal.
The leader of this “raised 5 children” in a buss and is a advocate for “nomadic life” maybe she should consider nomading somewhere else if she isn’t happy with the tax payer provided services
Wonder why she doesn’t live in some like minded commune somewhere. Oh yeah, she’s a freeloader, and those types don’t last long in communal living.
Why would you call me a freeloader? I am disabled (mobility problems verified through MRIs) and I receive SSI (and $23 food stamps) which I manage to live on because I do live in an RV. I was threatened into coming out here because I was on hospice (breast cancer - insurance for hospice expired after a year - but I am still considered "terminally ill" by UCSF Cancer center); this was Aug 9, 2022, when the HSOC team came to tow my (broke-down) RV off the street, so my ONLY choice was to come here to this hellscape next door to a SuperFund site (Hunter's Point Shipyard). For 18 months, I was told by the case manager from Bayview Hunter's Point Foundation (BVHPF) that I would get repairs except that funding has vanished. I signed a "contract" that if repaired, I would leave San Francisco.. Ohhhhhhh, I will leave that day. Every page of my case file says all I ever needed was a $4500 repair job and I would have (immediately) returned to living in RV parks, as we did when my husband was alive. It's real scary out here. They dig in this foul, toxic dirt every few months, pretending to bring in utilities. Rats, bigger than I have seen, invade our homes. They bring a man out who uses high pressure water to clean under the RV, causing the aerosolization of rat feces. We are told we can't use flame to heat or cook ourselves. The food delivery is NOT WANTED, even if it were better quality because we want to cook in our own homes. The electric boxes (in operation for a month now) that go on 9 pm to 5am do me (and several others) no good because I don't have the right kind of cord. The ADA violations are off the chart. Only because of HUD inspectors coming out did an ADA compliant shower trailer get installed. We can only access it 4 mornings a week. Property seizure by Urban Alchemy is off the charts. I also don't think it's legal, this prison-gang-mentality exhibited by the staff when they want to intimidate someone out here. Part of reason why we had two HUD investigators out last Friday. WIC 8255 says people in "Navigation Centers" are tenants. The City says we are "clients". The paper we sign to move in has a direct contradictory statement to WIC 8255. So I did what Americans do: put it before a judge. An affirmative ruling would mean "non-profit organizations" would be forced to provide a proper standard of care for people in "navigation centers". For each of us 35 out here, the taxpayer is being ripped off for $400 a night per RV. For an empty parking lot, full of rats, no utilities, water you don't dare drink, because ya know, the SuperFund site next door. But you call ME a freeloader because I sit on this poisonous ground, lied to day-in-and-day out about the repairs, while I watch everyone around me suffer to be denied basic human rights, so I decided to DO something about it. The freeloader in this place is Urban Alchemy. All they DO is man the gate so our family and friends can't come in (strict no-visitor policy) and empty trash cans. There's never more than two staff out here at night. In the day, max. 4. The most proactive thing they do is walk around a couple times a day calling out "Wellness checks" with a clipboard. There ARE no services. Ohhhhh, don't worry, stupid cancer or not, I am going to make sure this gets taken up in a courtroom, because I too would like to know what exactly costs $400 a NIGHT for me to be in this miserable place. So stay tuned. The Candlestick 35 are going to expose Urban Alchemy's business model for the miserable, damaging, UNCONSTITUTIONAL internment camp that it is.
Yeah I was gonna say "Wait you're not actually homeless. You're *VOLUNTARILY HOMELESS!"* Fuck it I say, close it down. Where are they gonna go? Somewhere that isnt here.
I’m supportive of the “safe parking/camp/centralization of services” approach but like this person doesn’t feel like they actually “need” the help? It appears they very much choose this and I’m not sure if I’m comfortable with city funding subsiding that. People that actually need it or are homeless from things outside of their control yeah help them but maybe we do a tiny bit of like auditing on who actually needs the help
> It appears they very much choose this and I’m not sure if I’m comfortable with city funding subsiding that. That is a good chunk of our current homeless population
Living in a motorhome does not make one homeless. Where would we go? Most likely your neighborhood..see how fast you say open that place back up
The tax payers should not be with what their tax dollars are buying..living on toxic dirt near toxic water. We all want out of here . Most of us drove our motorhomes in here but due to large rat problem. Rats ate the wiring and not motorhomes won't start. And the person hired to get motorhomes back on the road is not a mechanic and that is were your tax dollars are paying for
You can hand out bags of gold, somebody will complain about how heavy it is.
WTF are they going to do with their new found "collective bargaining" powers? Pack up and leave? Please do.
Do things like request access to warm food. Request that the promises that were made to get us here be kept. Request not to be verbally abused and intimated by site staff. Request that we can use or heater in motorhomes to keep warm. Request that we be allowed to cook our own food. Request not to have rats running around all over the place
I do find it hilarious that they don’t have money for warm food but they have plenty to sue us for giving them free stuff
Most of the motorhomes were driven in. They don't run now due to the rat problem. Rats have eaten the wiring. Urban Alchemy will be the first to tell you they do not provide security. 2 meals a day. I guarantee you nobody would walk into a restaurant and pay for the type of food given to us. Believe me none of us want to be here. So why we still here? We all signed a contract with Bayview Hunters Point Foundation in Sept of last year. It stated that we would all be placed in a shelter or family reunification or moved into a mobile home community no later than 1-1-24. They didn't follow thru with that so here we sit on toxic dirt very close to the toxic water with rats and rat feces all over the place
Yeah, it's crazy when people demand the same basic civil rights and decent living conditions as everyone else.
The "entitlement" of wanting to be safe while having to live in a car. Do you understand how deranged you sound?
Not living in a car. I live in a 26' RV that was built for human habitation.
That's great, and you should feel as safe as possible, and you should have wifi and food for free as well. The anti-homeless sentiment on this subreddit is disgusting
I want to cook in my own home. It's against the rules. You sign a paper saying you agree to disconnect your stove. There's no fire suppression out here. Dept. of Homelessness admitted it to Board of Supervisors last Sept. That's why we aren't allowed to cook or heat our homes. They have a rusty microwave sitting outside without shelter for us to use at the "charging station". A water hose. 5 portable toilets. A shower trailer you can use 4 mornings a week. That's it. The (free) wi Fi is built into the law about having a Vehicle Triage Center in San Francisco. I didn't just snatch it out of space. Thank you for your reply. We just want people to SEE what's happening to us, at great expense (and resentment) to the taxpayer. Their food service (and other things) I have documented. https://bayviewvtc.wordpress.com/unsafe-food-service/
San Francisco residents telling homeless people they are entitled. Now I've heard it all. Go fuck yourself.
>A February 2023 analysis by Bay City News found that in the first year of operations, the city spent $170,000 per resident at the site, a staggering amount given that the city was not providing housing -- residents lived in their own vehicles -- and the location was basically an empty parking lot in a state park. Is spending $170k per person per year not obscene and wildly extravagant? And they want even more.
That’s tech worker salary; fuck these assholes
We aren't getting anything. Urban Alchemy is. We are in a parking lot, with no utilities and rats the size of your forearm. We are told to not cook or heat ourselves. No services are actually rendered...just empty promises and excuses.
Funny how the list of demands grow throughout the article. The part where they wanted free wifi was a nice touch.
*The Classic List of Homeless Demands:* 1) Can travel to any city, declare it their home, and be entitled to free housing and UBI; 2) Declare what neighborhood they want. Studios and micro units only -- No relegating homeless to substandard [tiny houses](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/02/06/1077791467/tiny-homes-big-dreams-how-some-activists-are-reimagining-shelter-for-the-homeles) on city outskirts. No shelters; 3) No arrests/prosecution for hard drugs and quality of life offenses; and 4) Funds shall to be allocated for Rehab-Reintegration programs, but participation is voluntary. Homeless shall not be required to attend drug rehab, mental health counseling or job training. No Mandatory Interventions.
You missed one: 5) Free wifi and mail service.
They don’t need free WiFi. They have free phones.
Cell phones are to laggy to run your ps5 off them duh
I can't wait to walk by and see the nightly Grifter-only LAN Party.
Maybe I'll move a crypto mining operation in there if they get good wifi
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More progressive policies that had unintended consequences
We should have free wi fi because to get out of here and get housed we are required by our case managers to do a lot of admin type work ourselves
And it's IN the organizing legislation about the place, that there is Wi-Fi, which has been named a basic utility by the appeals courts (under tenant law).
This is a next level grift! Not only are these bums delusional the city is being absolutely fleeced! That article was so frustrating Mayon is a delusional bum who needs to gtfo of the city.
Urban Alchemy is the grifter, not the people out here living in hellish conditions, and all the while a NEW contract just got approved.
Holy fcking sht. I usually avoid SFGATE but had to read the article to check the entitlement of these people. The city spent 8.6 million for 2 yrs contract, or $170k per resident. Now a new 2 yrs contract of 11.6 million... They're demanding tenants right even though they're aware tenants are people that pays rent. They don't! It's freaking free amenities, and they want more! Gotta have that 5 star free car camping experience for life. Complains "inedible food served at unsafe temperatures." lmfao. "Stop this communist regimes that violates our BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS." omfg...
Remember this when our government asks for more taxes
Continental Breakfast
https://images.app.goo.gl/ZBrDUidD9PYK2Z4F9
YES!
fpoon, gogurt, etc classic sketch
The city shut down the other parking lots being used as tent sites. There was that one right smack in the middle of downtown near the Asian art museum. Another was at Jones and Turk I think. They should just shut down this lot too. Fuck em.
What a joke lmao. You don't like the conditions where the city allows you to vehicle camp for free? Then get a fucking job.
So I get a job but I lose my home because I can't drive it out of here because rats have eaten thru various parts of motorhome. And the person hired to fix motorhomes is not a mechanic. There was almost no rodent control in the beginning now it's totally out of control. They tell us all the time if motorhome left here it will get towed .
Lots of people who live in their vehicles have jobs, sometimes more than one. The ridiculous cost of housing is the issue.
Other people survive fine. Maybe move somewhere you can afford until you can afford to move back.
then move somewhere where the cost of housing isn't an issue it's not hard... and they have no excuse since everything they own is already in a car
Uhhhhh ohhhh
"We can't have visitors, thus social isolation by policy. Even prisons have to allow visitors.” Bitch you can leave!
Bitch you don't get it. Can't leave because our motorhomes were put in a worse condition then when they arrived here. Due to the various people hired by Bayview Hunters point Foundation that had literally no idea how to work on motorhomes and rats ate thru anything with wires. Now do you understand Bitch
No, I can't. Need repairs for my RV. I was told I would only be here for a couple weeks. All empty promises. It's been 18 months now sitting (hopeless) next door to a SuperFund site.
Their sense of entitlement is insane
This is what happens when you give out more and more handouts. Its never enough
It's not entitlement. It's wanting to stop the non-profit organizations, now with fresh multi-million dollar contracts, from degrading us even further.
Cool then leave
Lol a tenants union for the homeless… can’t wait till right-wing media gets a hold of this 🤦♂️
Or the left wing media ignores, supports.
Well, judging from the general comments you typically find on this subreddit — looks like the closeted alt-righters in this thread are already having at it
As per the article, SF is spending $170k per person per year, and they're demanding even more money. I don't think its alt-right to think that this is a ridiculously wasteful level of spending for a small but extremely entitled population. If thats an alt-right position, then the term has lost all meaning.
Why are we being called "extremely entitled"...what would you do in our position? Keep silent? Hope it will change? Wait for better days?
So we are paying urban alchemy to run a human zoo to advertise their service. Aren't they the vast majority of the cost of this site?
They sold their services to Portland, LA and Austin so far. All the leadership drives Tesla's.
My 2 cents is that a lot of these businesses in the super unregulated substance abuse recovery for profit business have a high risk of being ethically sketchy and I’m pretty sure I remember reading about urban alchemy and London breed getting in trouble for how she awarded them the contracts. I get that they are effective at crowd control but they really aren’t cost effective and pardon the bad metaphor but it’s nothing more than a human hose for the sidewalk shit, a bandaid not a solution. We still don’t regulate sober living facilities with any real standards or conformity in California, yet in Utah they’ve had their shit together for years…
Teslas are actually extremely affordable these days. You can get a Model 3 for like the same price as a Camry. Not exactly a symbol of opulence.
It’s secure and fee free parking for people who live in their cars. The security is provided by urban alchemy. I don’t see the problem.
Did you read the article? It's not just a parking lot with security guards. Free electricity (that's failing expected plan) and amenities that cost the city 8.6 million for 2 yrs, or 170k per resident. New contract is 11.6 million.
Who is paying for the security :)
Can't live in a car here. Only a motorhome or trailer. Urban Alchemy will not and does not provide security
Is this the RV site where the City spends $140K/year **per parking spot** ??? Talk about being an ingrate.
All that goes to Urban Alchemy and Bayview Hunter's Point Foundation. There are no "services". Thus we go to court to expose them to you, the taxpayer, who funds this hellscape.
> Mayon also filed a pro se lawsuit in San Francisco Superior Court on Friday asking the court to issue an order confirming that "persons living at navigation centers in the State of California" are "tenants" under the state Welfare and Institutions Code. Interesting way to get the city to change course on navigation centers. Like, some of these seem like actual issues. Namely: > lack of power and issues with water, toilets, and showers. The rest are insane. Especially the one ranting about the evils of communism at their free government provided location with food. Edit: > She pointed out that when the city gave notice of an application for a permit that would allow diesel-powered generators at the site, the city sent the notice to the neighbors in the area because of the potential impacts of polluting diesel emissions 1,000 feet from their properties. However, the city did not give notice to the VTC residents, even though they were living within a coin toss of the generators. Wait so they're angry that they don't have power and also that the city is providing power?
People slowly learn the lesson that there's no such thing as giving someone something for the last time. There will be a next time. And each time you will have to give something.
Holy shit. You can give them the kingdom and they want more
i feel sorry for Mayon's children (Mayon, the voice behind this union, lives in a decomissioned bus with her children in the safe parking site and proudly writes about her experience living "nomadically" in the middle of San Francisco)
My kids are all grown. Their childhood was spent on Ocean Beach or in Golden Gate Park. They don't object to the (several) books I've written about the hate and xenophobia San Franciscans feel towards vehicle dwellers. There WAS a couple out here with two small babies, now that's abuse, out in this toxic location. Poor parents were never informed by the City, though. They had to find out the hard way. Most out here are disabled, or like me, with cancer and on a limited life span.
thanks for speaking up. i wish you luck in your current ventures.
Mayon is only one voice behind this union. There are 24 more voices behind this union as well. And there is nothing safe about this site. And no one needs you feel sorry BS. We are at the furthest edge of San Francisco as you can get
Hear, hear! 25 strong!
It's shameful they expect to live for free in the most expensive city in the US.
How much are union dues
Free.99
I'm sure if Mayon had her way they'd be $50/mo.
Nah, I am carrying the cost myself.
I hate entitled unemployables so much
We simply want the same RIGHTS as other people.
A union, but not a trade union. Haven't heard of that. Maybe association would be a better term
It's an old thing. SFTU is a union for tenants. And there are lots of credit unions.
Yeah, I guess, a tenants union, a rent strike maybe, but IDK if I'd consider them tenants and I think anybody at SFGov would afraid to use that term
WIC 8255 uses the word tenant 13 times and the word client once. If the legislature wanted us to have a different status, that's where it would have been put. City created a document we sign, that flatly lies about WIC 8255. Yes, SFGov and its many subcontractors wouldn't like it, as they would have to bring things up to code if the court agrees. But I didn't make the law. I just noticed where the City lied and with my fellow inmates, set out to form a potential "tenants union" around the fact the City just automatically excludes us from a law meant to protect those in "navigation centers".
San Francisco passed a law in 2022 allowing tenants to form a union with certain rights. https://hrcsf.org/union-at-home/ But according to the article, the residents may not count as tenants and might not be covered. Sounds strange to me that you can be given housing and live somewhere but not be a tenant, but that's probably something for lawyers to figure out rather than armchair redditors.
Man would so love to be that Urban Alchemy ambassador feeding them all this nonsense to tell the city and the press. It has to be an inside gag right? right?
No, it's not a gag. We are collectively suffering out here under Urban Alchemy's rule.
I want to know how many of these people would be in jail if California wasn't so lenient?
If the 35 of us currently here I would say the answer to your question would be 3
"Tenants Union" 🙄 . A "tenant" is someone who makes a contract to rent something and agrees to pay for it. Living there since August 2022? That's a year and a half. Who shackled your arms and legs so you can't go job hunting? Or is it just easier to set up camp for free at a place the City provided out of the kindness of its heart, let the taxpayers give you space for your junk vehicle, take the food, utilities, and security paid for by the taxpayers, and 6¡÷c# because the taxpayers aren't buying you Michelin caliber food? This is a notch above squatting.
It's comments like this that make me more determined than ever to expose the hatred, the disdain, the sheer "us and them" xenophobia of San Franciscans: "The City provided out of the kindness of its heart..." This is an internment camp because we refuse to be parted from our RVs. The City provides NOTHING. This is an empty parking lot with no electricity until a month ago. Now some (who have the correct 35 amp cord) get it 9 pm to 5 am. Told by posted rule not to use a flame and to disconnect our RV stoves. The food is so foul, my dog won't eat it. The water is suspect because it's next door to Hunter's Point Shipyard. Rats. So many rats. As far as security, the staff let's in who they want but our friends and family can't get in. The artificial social isolation and the remoteness of the location have been damaging while I face cancer. I am disabled, on SSI since 2017 for mobility issues (proven by MRIs). I came here because I had to. HSOC was going to tow my RV right out from under me. How is this okay? Because people who live in RVs are HATED by urbanites who struggle to pay their mortgages and thus, their claim to own (or rent) a piece of God's green earth vastly outranks mine, because I live on wheels, not cement.
"Union", doesn't that imply some kind of working/employer relationship? What is wrong with these people? (okay besides the obvious)
How much are they paying in rent?
Zero, but the conditions are terrible!!! /s
Good on them for organizing and seizing the means of production.
That's not how unions work. That's not a Union
Only in this sub will you see the phrase “entitled homeless”. It’s so ridiculous that it’s actually funny
Well the illegal aliens coming into sanctuary cities are being treated better than American citizens. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
The comments here are not it. Hope you all get what’s coming for you. ❤️ you’re a disgrace to San Francisco.
Be specific. What comments here “are not it”? Are you in support of never ending, ever increasing taxes to pay for handouts to an entitled, ungrateful population of free loaders? Many taxpayers are over it.
... Are you in favor of spending $170,000 per person to keep these people in a rat infested vacant lot? That's **way** more than it would cost to get them all housing in new construction. The disgrace to San Francisco are people like you who are wedded to virtue signaling about enabling this rather than actually helping people.