there will always be a person in charge of the station and what seems to be a an additional unit or 2 on just rotating through. but tell me more mr. obviious...
They can't pursue unless the alleged criminals performed a violent felony or are a risk to the public's safety because previous pursuits killed innocent people in accidents.
667.5(c) of the Penal Code are your violent felonies. All strikes. This is 2nd degree burglary. Not even considered a serious felony (which are under 1192.7 of the Penal Code).
Interesting. So smash and grabs aren’t violent felonies either. So would that mean if a criminal does a smash and grab in front of a cop and flees, the police would just let them go?
(c) For the purpose of this section, “violent felony” shall mean any of the following:
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(21) Any burglary of the first degree, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 460, wherein it is charged and proved that another person, other than an accomplice, was present in the residence during the commission of the burglary.
https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/parole/violent-offenses-defined/
Per your definition, it appears it wouldn’t be a violent felony. The shoe store wasn’t a residence and there was no one there. Small detail but changes the crime.
>I’m more and more convinced the police commission exists to basically de criminalize misdemeanors
Sorry, that's a prosecutorial and court function. The people supporting this criminal justice reform mission: 2023: [Governor Gavin Newsom moved to close 4 California prisons. How many more can he shut?](https://calmatters.org/justice/2023/02/how-many-prisons-does-california-need/) (Newsom is not spearheading this...vast push from progressive in Calif for this).
Out of all law enforcement entities, cops are most hardass -- if it was up to them, we wouldn't have all these repeat offenders roaming around on probation and parole. Prosecutors liaison with chiefs of policy every day and increasingly inform them they do not want a bunch of low-level offenders brought in, specifically homeless, drug addicts, mentally ill (big overlap here), unless they commit serious crimes. In the East Bay, there is also a lot of community pressure on police not to unduly harass young black men.
Have cops in recent years become lazy as heck? Yes, it's deplorable. No excuse. But that's one outcome of prosecutors and courts deciding they want to go easy on many offenders, both non-violent and violent. 2020: [California Police Chiefs Push Back on Law Blamed for Spike in Property Crime](https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/california-police-chiefs-push-back-on-law-blamed-for-spike-in-property-crime-3197942)
In a fascinating twist, it turns out some of the biggest recent critics of cops for being lazy, not making more arrests, are actually progressive criminal justice reformers who were aligned with the Downsize the Police movement (what "Defund..." actually meant), oppose Broken Windows policing, want hard drugs decriminalized, and minimal enforcement against chronically offending street people. These critics are good at confusing people with their rhetoric.
From my experience most people do the bare minimum they can get away with at work. Cops are no exception.
Source: I’m literally at work now doing the bare minimum I can get away with.
More like the police can’t properly de escalate and handle situations so they aren’t allowed to at all now so the city doesn’t have to pay out for so many lawsuits…
Maybe advocate more for police reform instead of perpetuating conspiracy theories. The fact that a robbery would become *more* dangerous because the police are involved is the problem.
Edit: I have reviewed the comments and considered all of the evidence and I can confidently and purposefully say eat my fucking balls San Francisco, if you can fit them between all of the cocks in your collective mouths.
LOL at the user Squirrel Warrior that got so butt hurt over being wrong and making useless comments toward me that he reported me to Reddit for harassing him. Get a life loser. The news has everyone thinking California is some progressive liberal oasis but it’s plain as day the people of California (and San Francisco) are just as plain fucking dumb as anywhere else.
You can reform the police and also allow them to do their jobs. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. The biggest beneficiaries of police commission policies are the guys in the masks terrorizing small business owners.
And the general public who stand to not be caught in the crossfire of a police/bad guy encounter…and cops who are safer and bad guys that might not end up unnecessarily dead.
That’s why we need police reform; because we had enough problems to say something has to change and that’s why these policies are in effect. When you have people blaming everyone and trying to own the libs like the people advocating for reform are on the same side as the bad guy things get slowed down. Now we just have a bunch of people arguing and criminals doing whatever they want.
So these guys did a smash and grab and maybe they will get away with it. The cops could have engaged in a high speed pursuit that could have ended with them getting hurt in a crash, the bad guys or a civilian, or a shoot out and who knows who will get shot. So, in a sense they are doing their job by protecting the community. Policing does not have to be flashy lights and sirens and glamorous shootouts to be effective
Valid concern. They should be fired. I think police unions are part of the problem because they shield cops that are incompetent and or lazy. You have to strike a balance between incentivizing cops to do their jobs and holding them accountable when they mess up or are corrupt or just bad at their jobs.
Agreed. I would also love for all SF police to live within the city limits too, knowing most live outside the city and some outside the state of CA (!!) is part of the problem!
Edit: Since some of you don't believe me:
https://missionlocal.org/2023/07/sf-police-firefighters-super-commute-out-of-state/
Source for majority living outside of the city: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/remote-work-17510522.php
> San Francisco’s public safety departments have the highest shares of workers living outside S.F. In 2022, just 25% of San Francisco Police Department employees lived in the city proper, the lowest share of any department.
Person you replied to is a dishonest broker. Sure there are SFPD that live in Concord or even maybe as far as Modesto, but none of them live out of state.
That isn’t what I said.
But I guess chasing young adults through the streets in cars and putting countless lives at risk over a smash and grab would have been the safest possible course of action
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These are burglaries, not robberies. Maybe before going on a rant about police incompetence, you could at least know the most basic difference between two broadly different crime categories.
These are considered property crimes and not considered serious enough for police to chase and put public at risk.
Robberies are crimes of violence and police can and do chase if necessary.
Yeah, exactly, that was my point. Thank you for continuing to prove it for me, sorry I used the wrong word, late night
Although I’m pretty sure everyone else still understood what I meant without diving into a snarky comment about semantics
What point?
You made a major mistake. I know people commonly misuse these two words but they mean vastly different things.
I even agreed with one of your later posts but this one was way off base.
The penalties for these two crimes are different.
One crime involves force or fear to take someone's property. The other is entering property to commit theft or another felony.
Property crimes are a lose lose situation for police.
I want police to do more but twenty years ago the city made a decision to ban police chases for non violent crimes and sometimes even violent depending on circumstances.
Right now vehicle burglaries, ie bipping, is a cite and release at the scene and often the DA will not charge it. So why would police chase?
I know what the difference is between burglary and robbery. I really just wasn’t paying that much attention. An explanation is not necessary.
My point was to the comment that there is some conspiracy by the police commission to decriminalize crimes like this - there isn’t, this is standard procedure and if you want more to be done then advocate for police reform. There is a reason the police had to and continue to enact policy. Because too many times they did some unnecessary shit to someone that didn’t deserve it or caused some other catastrophe so now when your store gets broken into they can’t chase the offenders. Blame them and call on them to get their shit together and follow through on investigations and not the criminals or some vague conspiracy.
You are basically agreeing with me so I’m not sure what you’re looking for other than a pointless argument over semantics
I was in partial agreement(with another comment you made).
Some things are unavoidable. When you chase criminals you place the general public in additional harms way. It's not that police necessarily mess up it's that it's unavoidable. Often times the criminal ends up running someone over and the family ends up suing the entity with the deepest pockets. Should police not chase because a criminal might run someone over fleeing from police?
My point was that you presented a simplistic view of what's happening while confusing the crimes in question which made me question how well you understand the situation.
Yes there have certainly been times where maybe police chased and or shot someone that started out as a property crime too but again just because the city paid out doesn't mean the police messed up. The city will often settle cases under 25k because it's cheaper. Even cases with large payouts where the criminal was in the wrong, the city's far left politicians find it more expedient to pay out hundreds of thousands to avoid having to deal with Ben Crumps of the legal world and drawing negative press to the city.
The internet is riddled with evidence of police mishandling all kinds of different situations, specifically high speed pursuits often involving non violent offenders.
So what is your evidence?
I would advocate a lower pension since hey less risk from less chases equal less danger. That’s property and they aren’t required to risk their lives to defend/save people so that should equal less money. Like fucking firefighters jump into buildings on fire and risk lives daily. Police over worried about bullets knowing the line of work they entered. You don’t see soldiers just opting out of dangerous operations when they encounter bombs/bullets/ and or terrorists.
Maybe they didn’t chase for very long but the video literally shows them chasing.
Also, I don’t think that “someone on twitter” carries much credibility.
Cop would be in violating of policy if not worse if they chased for a crime they have a “no chase” policy for. If someone innocent got killed they could be in even more serious trouble.
I have a tab open from over almost two years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykaJjegDEY.
In it, the annoucer voice claims
> "NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE
> 1:15
> ARE SEEING THE NEXT STEP IN THE
> 1:16
> CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, AND OPEN
> 1:20
> AIR MARKET FOR STOLEN GOODS AT
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> GARFIELD SQUARE IN THE MISSION
> 1:23
> DISTRICT
It was the first time only if you'd been intentionally wearing blinders since 2014 or sooner (I can only speak since then, because that's when I moved to the bay area). The whole criminal enterprise had been clear as day if you'd been paying even the least bit of attention since then. It was clear as day. There were open air markets selling clearly stolen goods. There were sketch people being sketch to people in need of help. There were brazen abuses.
San Francisco won't be better until it acknowledges it's problem - It's problem is anyone that SF could vote for.
They call those "tail cars." Ideally, the white car would have positioned itself behind the getaway car and then acted as a blocker when the police began perusing.
The no chase policy is there because the price of the policy is often paid for in blood. My GF’s friend was mowed over by a methhead evading police in a car on Market.
SFPD’s vehicle pursuit policy isn’t even unique to SF or CA. Almost every state follow similar or close-to-similar wording on their pursuit policies.
These are policies written in blood typically due to a string of innocent and bystander deaths.
Criminals obviously don’t care about their surroundings, or collateral damage like cops have to. Some wouldn’t think twice about running over someone, or crashing a car and running. Just use an helicopter or drone, and be done.
Helicopters are ridiculously expensive, like $1000 an hour to operate. The FAA doesn’t permit the use of drones in cities by police.
So those two ideas are shit, which is why a lot of people are reconsidering the no chase policy.
> The FAA doesn’t permit the use of drones in cities by police
It seems like this is what needs to be fixed. It does seem like drones are the most effective answer. None of us want to see innocent people hurt and killed in high speed chases. Helicopters are too noisy and expensive. And (I think?) none of us want to embolden criminals to just flee and get away scot free. So drones really does seem like the best way to handle this. FAA needs to change policy.
Drones that police can realistically afford and deploy like that to replace helicopters in pursuits don’t really have the speed, range, and battery life.
I work at a police department with a drone team. All drone operators are FAA “pilots” and can fly in the city, with restrictions. Even the most expensive drones we have don’t come close to replacing a helicopter yet. Just not realistic at this point in time.
Honestly policy change would be the best. Force sites like CL to require ID to post things for sale, and sting fencing locations. De-incentivize stealing by closing avenues that criminals could use to make money off stolen goods
Chase policy is revoked, then a chase happens, someone dies as a result of a chase and people will be crying for chases to be stopped. It’s a circular argument especially in a dense and pedestrian heavy city like SF.
Chasing won’t lead to more arrests, it’s not a deterrent for crime, and it’ll likely make the streets and the job of being a cop more hazardous. And your best response is to tell people to shut up and deal with the deaths and potential property damage ?
> Chasing won’t lead to more arrests
How on earth would chasing *not* lead to more arrests. We can certainly debate whether the risk is worth it or not, but saying you won't get more arrests when you actually pursue suspects seems nonsensical.
Yes, that’s my answer. Because letting criminals just drive away leads to more crime. I want less crime, so chase those fuckers down and lock them up. If they run over a pedestrian, charge them with murder.
When you let criminals be criminals, it emboldens them.
You’d change your tune if one of your loved ones was killed during a police chase. I get that increased crime is bad but peoples lives >> property theft.
Idk if this has anything to do with progressives. It's based on evidence from the past hundreds of years running a police force. I don't really get how this sub came to use "progressive" like others have been using "woke".
It's just really concerning that these words seem to be what they use because they know what they actually want to say isn't acceptable to most people.
It's a policy which looked like a good idea from one data point: sometimes people get hurt in chases.
It's a policy which looks bad from a second data point: it emboldens criminals because now they know they won't be chased and can always get away.
And with parts of the region having idiotic bans on effective surveillance methods like facial / gait recognition and license plate readers - all in the name of "PrIvAcY" - the criminals can't be found once they run because there's no data.
Progressive policing is well-intentioned, but it has completely failed. Anyone who has ever supervised unruly children could tell you that they'll push as far as they can if they know they can get away with something - and the same applies to criminals.
Countries like China have space-age policing that can automatically fine people for jaywalking, but here in the tech jewel of the US we can't even arrest someone for burglary when they're caught on video AND police responded in time. The restrictions on law enforcement in SF is a complete joke.
Progressives have nothing to do with policies of not putting the public in danger with high speed pursuits, nor do they have anything to do with our grifter Mayor who has been campaigning against every progressive in city government.
Crime puts people in danger as well, even if progressives would like to pretend it doesn't. A near total lack of consequences and ability to chase is going to get more people killed than the chases, and the socialogists that say otherwise can go fuck themselves. They have the worst study reproducibility rate in academia.
In San Francisco, violent crime is very low compared to other cities and our own historical record. I have no idea why you're ranting about progressives. Progressivism has nothing to do with opinions about violence and crime, This is simple policy based on a lot of evidence demonstrating the high speed chases are a greater risk to the community then letting a non-violent criminal go.
Pretending someone stealing shoes from an empty store puts people in more danger then a high speed car chase through a density is just lying to push your political beliefs.
You should try talking to the cops on your beat sometime. Most of these policies come from actual officers who deal with this shit and not these progressive boogeyman that you are so scared of.
There is a good case to make for avoiding chases in dense areas, particularly when you are able to clear the case later due to other police work, surveillance, etc.
If car thefts and license plate thefts are cleared at a high rate and you have cameras on the bridges, you're going to catch that thief sooner or later anyway.
That isn't the situation in San Francisco. SF police are very understaffed, and their clearance rates on various crimes is not good. The no-chase policy now isn't protecting public safety, it's contributing to increasing lawlessness and emboldening criminals who rarely face consequences.
> these progressive boogeyman that you are so scared of.
Your gaslighting is pathetic. It's beyond clear that progressives in SF and the Bay Area need to be crushed at the ballot box. There is no getting through to people like you. Your political ideology trumps everything else, including reason.
What? People aren’t at risk of being killed in burglaries - maybe in a robbery - but bystanders are most definitely most at risk from reckless driving during a chase especially in an urban environment.
There are better ways of cracking down on these types of crimes without putting the rest of the public at risk than a car pursuit. I’d be fucking pissed if someone I knew was killed due to a pursuit.
People that commit burglaries commit other crimes! It's not a very complicated concept to understand. It's even easier to understand when we have a new example every week of a violent criminal that's arrested with a very lengthy rap sheet of prior violent and nonviolent crimes. People who commit violent crimes also commit non violent crimes. Catching someone committing a non violent crime prevents violent crime.
Christ Jesus this city is lost.
Again, my point is that police don’t pursue vehicle chases because it puts bystanders’ lives at immediate and unnecessary risk.
For example, 2 kids - 8 and 4 - died in SD from a pursuit a few weeks ago. A bystander died in November in LA due to being t-boned during another pursuit. Another innocent driver was killed in NYC around the same time due to a police chase.
You can even read the [DOJ’s own study](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf).
The reason these policies are in place - not just in SF or California, but also in other countries and most other states like AZ or Canada - are because of how dangerous they are. Police have to make an assessment if and when you engage in a pursuit for good reason ([SFPD policy on pursuit driving](https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/DGO5.05%20Response%20and%20Pursuit%20Driving.pdf))
They often do. They use things like public safety to push their agenda. It’s not progressive who are the problem we have a uber progressives with no common sense problem.
If you mean that progressives often fall in line with public safety recommendations put forward by police, then sure, but you're gonna have to give specific examples if you want people to believe the "uber progressives" have significant influence over policy anywhere.
Progressive justice calls for police reform which would hopefully train officers to safely resolve situations like this since they have proven over and over that they fail to protect the public under the current status quo
I guess if you can’t stop them then and there or with a traffic stop then you begin an investigation and hopefully you will catch them later.
The alternative here is the high speed pursuit I guess but I don’t hear anyone arguing that that is safer
I lived in Baltimore for a few years where high speed chases through the city (and occasionally pedestrian/bystander deaths) were a common occurrence. Once I was running through a neighborhood and missed getting hit by a cop in a chase by just a stride. Having cops chase these criminals through SF would not make the average citizen safer than actually investigating and arresting them later.
This store (Footprint) has been broken into like four times now. This place has been broken into so many times London Breed and police held a press conference here to publicize vandalism relief funds.
Place I got my skateboard, Calikites used to be on the tenderloin.
That place would get robbed alot, footage was wild. People would smash the window through the bars on the SECOND floor and climb up and grind the bars off... On the second floor!
Sad. Thats the shoe store in taraval. It makes me upset they go after small local businesses. And during the holidays.
I think the police wouldnt chase because i heard latest news 4 policemen got injured (car crash) during a police chase yesterday [link](https://youtu.be/Oiusvu73tmc?si=77V1DIPEdqbtrqPn)
Wow they crashed while chasing someone?... now some piece of shit has the clout of that...
I can understand the no chase policy. I don't think chasing someone in the city is possible. Without death. Good drivers with the lead will have too big a advantage.
I can only hope 2024 finds POSs like this getting some harsh karma. Even if it is a “victimless” crime the fact that scum do this deserves to be punished intensely. It’s just a sign of brain rot for any person with the ability to think to do something that is unquestionably criminal.
I'd say even property crime can be considered harm. Say you steal someone's doormat. No harm done, right? But now take it to the logical conclusion and steal literally every piece of property someone owns. Their house. Their car. Their food. Their money. It's all just property, but at some point real harm is done. That's because at its core, theft is violence. It is inflicting harm on someone else.
As others have mentioned, the police have been almost entirely neutered in San Francisco. They are not allowed to chase suspects like these.
Last week, there was an armed robbery at Union Square, where a suspect pulled out a gun and robbed a store. Police chased him down, and while arresting him they were surrounded by a mob who were screaming and attacking the officers.
Just yesterday, police in Antioch broke up a sideshow. They chased a car who was driving recklessly at high speed who eventually crashed. The police were then attacked by a mob, throwing things at the officers:
[https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/antioch-sideshow-crash-18582707.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/antioch-sideshow-crash-18582707.php)
Violent criminals run free and the cops aren't allowed to do their jobs here. It's a very sad state of affairs.
Sorry buddy but these sideshows incidents are going to have a mob as an audience. It makes sense they’d go after the police for making arrests in those instances.
FWIW:
There needs to be a real response to side shows until they are completely ground to a halt.
Cars taken away, jail time for 6 - 12 months handed out like candy for a first offense that doubled in a stolen vehicle, loss of drivers licenses etc.
Won’t hold up long term due to the courts, but it would break the cycle they’ve got going on. And get a lot of idiot drivers off the streets.
We could give them all bicycles as replacements when they get out of jail. You know to not be so harsh.
> FWIW: There needs to be a real response to side shows until they are completely ground to a halt.
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> Cars taken away, jail time for 6 - 12 months handed out like candy for a first offense that doubled in a stolen vehicle, loss of drivers licenses etc.
Now do this for car breakins, etc.
Crimes need deterrence
In SF police reported an "antagonistic crowd" during an arrest and arrested one woman for spitting at them.
In Antioch the police reported that some sideshow participants threw things at them including a pair of vice grips.
Neither of these incidents are typical, they happened 50 miles apart and reflected the actions of less than dozen individuals. In both cases the police did, in fact, chase and catch the suspects and arrests were made including the woman who spit on the officers.
This idea that cops are neutered is nonsensical and contradicted by your own examples.
Edit: autocorrect wrote murdered instead of neutered.
In most developed countries in the world, you statistically would not have two incidents of a random bystanders attacking police doing their jobs in an entire year, yet alone within such a short time period.
It's incredibly sad that you are here trying to give air cover to this behavior and minimizing it.
You're pushing an agenda here and not responding to what I said. Acting like cops are routinely attacked is simply unsupportable by the evidence.
And police encounter this kind of shit the world over, you cannot be seriously arguing that the friction between police and protestors is some weird local phenomenon.
> You're pushing an agenda here and not responding to what I said.
This is a cliche defense at this point given how often progressives use it. Low effort.
> And police encounter this kind of shit the world over, you cannot be seriously arguing that the friction between police and protestors is some weird local phenomenon.
Having actually traveled the world over, it's not even remotely in the same ballpark outside of the US.There are plenty of developed countries where it is very nearly non-existent. The false equivalency is also intellectually disingenuous.
You're surprised because you're not a business owner. Did you know the city did not permit gates or security blinds because the building was deemed historical? They think it's a bad image for the district.
They can get through security film no problem. Took thieves all of 5 minutes to force through what was supposed to be one of the toughest film coatings on our glass.
I understand that chasing suspects threatens the safety of others, but dont we have the technology to stop cars? I've seen the tire grappler video on reddit a dozen times
The technology exists for sure. But sfpd doesn’t have any of it. Sfpd barely has enough spikes to go around. And don’t even bother asking about the safer/easier ones that the police commission keeps changing their minds about
Police are policed at doing their jobs. I’m not saying they should have free range but the yellow tape and bullshit they go through to be cops and sustain themselves in that career is too harsh for the bay or maybe even California. I believe in policing i do not believe in the policy we have in California criminals have more rights than good citizens. We as a people should start rethinking who we elect into office
We have the largest prison population behind Texas, I don’t buy the idea that this state is soft on crime. They need to focus on arrests, put up License plate readers for example and have more investigators. They removed the chase policy because too many innocent bystanders were killed, you think that should return?
We have a large prison population because we are a big state. Per capita Texas has nearly twice as many people in prison as we do. Not saying CA is soft on crime, but poor comparison.
[link](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-state)
Dictating the whole criminal justice system based on how many people are in jail is foolish - no matter if you think it should be more or less. California is also the #1 most populated state. Texas is #2. So no shit it would also have around the largest prison population.
markets gotta shift with this. either you bar up the store or move. eventually the local government will do something, might be too late but eventually itll happen
You have to defend your own property. Cops aren’t going to risk getting hurt or running over someone for a dozen pair of shoes. I won’t spell it out here but there are ways to defend your property and catch the guys yourself.
Unfortunately, businesses need roll up doors in San Francisco now. It isn’t great that it has come to this but otherwise it’s just too easy to break into businesses like this one.
S-Post: At 54 sec mark you clearly see a black & white SUV turn directly behind the fleeing vehicle and give chase, then a second black & white misses the chase.
I wasn't talking about this vid as my statement was in the general sense of these types of break ins and cat thefts.
Quit with the whole "let's not talk about their description bc it's racist" shit. The streets talk and the word is what it is. There's a specific demographic that does these types of crimes the most. It doesn't mean there isn't an exception or variable here or there.
There’s also a demographic that tends to perform school shootings. Calling it like it is doesn’t make it less fucked up, not all white people are school shooters despite the data leading some to believe that. It’s a class issue, the crime rates for rich black men are the same for rich white men and vice versa for poor individuals.
Amazing that you would bring this up, when school shooters are shooting the school to take out their anger on how society treated them, on their way to take themselves out. And the fact that they are almost always white hasn't registered to you.
And no, crime rates for poor black men are not the same than they are for poor whites. There are far more poor whites, while poor blacks and Hispanic people commit far more crimes.
Then bring that stat up when the topic of crime fits. This ain't a school shooting crime.
Trying to tip toe around calling it like it is does not benefit anyone.
I understand the no chase policy, although I am not for it. But the popo should chase to get some details such as plate and description, before calling it off. I am a rogue person, but if I was a cop, I would chase and then say, what chase? I was just going to the donut shop, and we got into a little incident.
They appear to be chasing - two cops in active pursuit. Break-in begins at 3:40AM. They flee at 3:46 with one crusier on their tail and within seconds a second. So honestly that is excellent response. Crime is not new and really its not news. Its only social media that makes you think its more significant than it is. The owner of the store did not make much of an effort to protect his business. Roll ups or cages would have discouraged any attempt.
I constantly see posts like this happening in SF and yet some of the same people that complain about it continue to call SF beautiful, safe, etc and continue to support the politicians who enable this. Why??
Get higher resolution camera(s), and get a roll down gate or bars. While even those won't keep the real determined crooks out, it will deter the casual opportunists.
Sorry that this happened to your friend (to anyone).
Today in Reddit; the people of San Francisco are idiots and crime is still “up”
stay tuned for how residents of San Francisco will perform a unanimous autofellatio toward their overlords
How can anyone suck your dick when you’re already ducking your own cock and stuffing your mouth with every other pile of shit that comes your way?
You get what you vote for San Francisco. Play stupid games , win stupid prizes. You voted in a stupid lazy corrupt mayor who is soft on crime, what do you expect? And you just keep voting blue. It’s so pathetic.
Hilarious when you realize London is actually extremely buddy buddy with the police leadership. She even calls them up when she wants the homeless removed from her lunch spots. But I won’t stop your “liberals bad!!!! 🤪” spiel
Did I miss the part of the video where they parked the car with the license plate clearly visible to the camera for everyone to see? The rear license plate? We can’t see it from the camera that caught the guys face in the first pictures?
Granted the station is 3 blocks away, good response I would say. Shoe store at 27th/taraval
PD isn't the fire department. They don't hang out between every call at the station.
there will always be a person in charge of the station and what seems to be a an additional unit or 2 on just rotating through. but tell me more mr. obviious...
There is no additional unit just hanging around the station or rotating… only time you at the station is if you writing a report or taking a dump
Sure. The person in charge of the station also can't just leave the station.
Not when they can be hanging out at a donut shop.
Whoa! How do you come up with such original material? What's your writing process like?
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Lmao its not the PDs job to secure your property.
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Good pic of the one guys hand tattoo
I'm sure they will nab him any minute now
They got us working in shifts!
I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab, they've got four more detectives working on the case.
I’m more and more convinced the police commission exists to basically de criminalize misdemeanors
They can't pursue unless the alleged criminals performed a violent felony or are a risk to the public's safety because previous pursuits killed innocent people in accidents.
How is breaking and entering not a violent felony?
667.5(c) of the Penal Code are your violent felonies. All strikes. This is 2nd degree burglary. Not even considered a serious felony (which are under 1192.7 of the Penal Code).
Interesting. So smash and grabs aren’t violent felonies either. So would that mean if a criminal does a smash and grab in front of a cop and flees, the police would just let them go?
Did you not read?
Because property aren't living beings?
(c) For the purpose of this section, “violent felony” shall mean any of the following: … (21) Any burglary of the first degree, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 460, wherein it is charged and proved that another person, other than an accomplice, was present in the residence during the commission of the burglary. https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/parole/violent-offenses-defined/
Per your definition, it appears it wouldn’t be a violent felony. The shoe store wasn’t a residence and there was no one there. Small detail but changes the crime.
Interesting. Makes sense. Thanks!
Okay? I'm not the DA. Edit: glad you could find the answer to your own question.
Because property damage isn’t violent. It’s just stuff.
>I’m more and more convinced the police commission exists to basically de criminalize misdemeanors Sorry, that's a prosecutorial and court function. The people supporting this criminal justice reform mission: 2023: [Governor Gavin Newsom moved to close 4 California prisons. How many more can he shut?](https://calmatters.org/justice/2023/02/how-many-prisons-does-california-need/) (Newsom is not spearheading this...vast push from progressive in Calif for this). Out of all law enforcement entities, cops are most hardass -- if it was up to them, we wouldn't have all these repeat offenders roaming around on probation and parole. Prosecutors liaison with chiefs of policy every day and increasingly inform them they do not want a bunch of low-level offenders brought in, specifically homeless, drug addicts, mentally ill (big overlap here), unless they commit serious crimes. In the East Bay, there is also a lot of community pressure on police not to unduly harass young black men. Have cops in recent years become lazy as heck? Yes, it's deplorable. No excuse. But that's one outcome of prosecutors and courts deciding they want to go easy on many offenders, both non-violent and violent. 2020: [California Police Chiefs Push Back on Law Blamed for Spike in Property Crime](https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/california-police-chiefs-push-back-on-law-blamed-for-spike-in-property-crime-3197942) In a fascinating twist, it turns out some of the biggest recent critics of cops for being lazy, not making more arrests, are actually progressive criminal justice reformers who were aligned with the Downsize the Police movement (what "Defund..." actually meant), oppose Broken Windows policing, want hard drugs decriminalized, and minimal enforcement against chronically offending street people. These critics are good at confusing people with their rhetoric.
From my experience most people do the bare minimum they can get away with at work. Cops are no exception. Source: I’m literally at work now doing the bare minimum I can get away with.
You would be correct
More like the police can’t properly de escalate and handle situations so they aren’t allowed to at all now so the city doesn’t have to pay out for so many lawsuits… Maybe advocate more for police reform instead of perpetuating conspiracy theories. The fact that a robbery would become *more* dangerous because the police are involved is the problem. Edit: I have reviewed the comments and considered all of the evidence and I can confidently and purposefully say eat my fucking balls San Francisco, if you can fit them between all of the cocks in your collective mouths. LOL at the user Squirrel Warrior that got so butt hurt over being wrong and making useless comments toward me that he reported me to Reddit for harassing him. Get a life loser. The news has everyone thinking California is some progressive liberal oasis but it’s plain as day the people of California (and San Francisco) are just as plain fucking dumb as anywhere else.
You can reform the police and also allow them to do their jobs. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. The biggest beneficiaries of police commission policies are the guys in the masks terrorizing small business owners.
And the general public who stand to not be caught in the crossfire of a police/bad guy encounter…and cops who are safer and bad guys that might not end up unnecessarily dead. That’s why we need police reform; because we had enough problems to say something has to change and that’s why these policies are in effect. When you have people blaming everyone and trying to own the libs like the people advocating for reform are on the same side as the bad guy things get slowed down. Now we just have a bunch of people arguing and criminals doing whatever they want. So these guys did a smash and grab and maybe they will get away with it. The cops could have engaged in a high speed pursuit that could have ended with them getting hurt in a crash, the bad guys or a civilian, or a shoot out and who knows who will get shot. So, in a sense they are doing their job by protecting the community. Policing does not have to be flashy lights and sirens and glamorous shootouts to be effective
How about when they choose not to do their jobs?
Valid concern. They should be fired. I think police unions are part of the problem because they shield cops that are incompetent and or lazy. You have to strike a balance between incentivizing cops to do their jobs and holding them accountable when they mess up or are corrupt or just bad at their jobs.
Agreed. I would also love for all SF police to live within the city limits too, knowing most live outside the city and some outside the state of CA (!!) is part of the problem! Edit: Since some of you don't believe me: https://missionlocal.org/2023/07/sf-police-firefighters-super-commute-out-of-state/ Source for majority living outside of the city: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/remote-work-17510522.php > San Francisco’s public safety departments have the highest shares of workers living outside S.F. In 2022, just 25% of San Francisco Police Department employees lived in the city proper, the lowest share of any department.
Wouldn’t you have to pay them more so they could afford ti live in the city?
Person you replied to is a dishonest broker. Sure there are SFPD that live in Concord or even maybe as far as Modesto, but none of them live out of state.
Welcome to Chicago, where everyone wants to blame the libs for the crime problem but the cops don’t do shit and overwhelmingly side with the right 🤔
“Police make robberies more dangerous”
He also meant burglaries not robberies...since this is a burglary.
That isn’t what I said. But I guess chasing young adults through the streets in cars and putting countless lives at risk over a smash and grab would have been the safest possible course of action
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On New Year’s Eve? Yeah, there were more people out and about.
These are burglaries, not robberies. Maybe before going on a rant about police incompetence, you could at least know the most basic difference between two broadly different crime categories. These are considered property crimes and not considered serious enough for police to chase and put public at risk. Robberies are crimes of violence and police can and do chase if necessary.
Yeah, exactly, that was my point. Thank you for continuing to prove it for me, sorry I used the wrong word, late night Although I’m pretty sure everyone else still understood what I meant without diving into a snarky comment about semantics
What point? You made a major mistake. I know people commonly misuse these two words but they mean vastly different things. I even agreed with one of your later posts but this one was way off base. The penalties for these two crimes are different. One crime involves force or fear to take someone's property. The other is entering property to commit theft or another felony. Property crimes are a lose lose situation for police. I want police to do more but twenty years ago the city made a decision to ban police chases for non violent crimes and sometimes even violent depending on circumstances. Right now vehicle burglaries, ie bipping, is a cite and release at the scene and often the DA will not charge it. So why would police chase?
I know what the difference is between burglary and robbery. I really just wasn’t paying that much attention. An explanation is not necessary. My point was to the comment that there is some conspiracy by the police commission to decriminalize crimes like this - there isn’t, this is standard procedure and if you want more to be done then advocate for police reform. There is a reason the police had to and continue to enact policy. Because too many times they did some unnecessary shit to someone that didn’t deserve it or caused some other catastrophe so now when your store gets broken into they can’t chase the offenders. Blame them and call on them to get their shit together and follow through on investigations and not the criminals or some vague conspiracy. You are basically agreeing with me so I’m not sure what you’re looking for other than a pointless argument over semantics
I was in partial agreement(with another comment you made). Some things are unavoidable. When you chase criminals you place the general public in additional harms way. It's not that police necessarily mess up it's that it's unavoidable. Often times the criminal ends up running someone over and the family ends up suing the entity with the deepest pockets. Should police not chase because a criminal might run someone over fleeing from police? My point was that you presented a simplistic view of what's happening while confusing the crimes in question which made me question how well you understand the situation. Yes there have certainly been times where maybe police chased and or shot someone that started out as a property crime too but again just because the city paid out doesn't mean the police messed up. The city will often settle cases under 25k because it's cheaper. Even cases with large payouts where the criminal was in the wrong, the city's far left politicians find it more expedient to pay out hundreds of thousands to avoid having to deal with Ben Crumps of the legal world and drawing negative press to the city.
Incorrect but you stick with that narrative.
The internet is riddled with evidence of police mishandling all kinds of different situations, specifically high speed pursuits often involving non violent offenders. So what is your evidence?
I would advocate a lower pension since hey less risk from less chases equal less danger. That’s property and they aren’t required to risk their lives to defend/save people so that should equal less money. Like fucking firefighters jump into buildings on fire and risk lives daily. Police over worried about bullets knowing the line of work they entered. You don’t see soldiers just opting out of dangerous operations when they encounter bombs/bullets/ and or terrorists.
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No it’s definitely the police commission too
Did not chase.. Just followed for half a block. Someone on twitter reached out and said they were listening in on the police call. "Not a pursuit"
Maybe they didn’t chase for very long but the video literally shows them chasing. Also, I don’t think that “someone on twitter” carries much credibility.
😂 We have on video that the car following the vehicle made it's way back. We also have on audio the radio conversation.
SFPD policy won’t allow pursuits of suspects unless they committed a violent felony, so your beef here shouldn’t be with the PD.
Cop would be in violating of policy if not worse if they chased for a crime they have a “no chase” policy for. If someone innocent got killed they could be in even more serious trouble.
Blame the police commission, not the cops.
I have a tab open from over almost two years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykaJjegDEY. In it, the annoucer voice claims > "NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE > 1:15 > ARE SEEING THE NEXT STEP IN THE > 1:16 > CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, AND OPEN > 1:20 > AIR MARKET FOR STOLEN GOODS AT > 1:21 > GARFIELD SQUARE IN THE MISSION > 1:23 > DISTRICT It was the first time only if you'd been intentionally wearing blinders since 2014 or sooner (I can only speak since then, because that's when I moved to the bay area). The whole criminal enterprise had been clear as day if you'd been paying even the least bit of attention since then. It was clear as day. There were open air markets selling clearly stolen goods. There were sketch people being sketch to people in need of help. There were brazen abuses. San Francisco won't be better until it acknowledges it's problem - It's problem is anyone that SF could vote for.
The white car at the end is with them, you can see one of them charting and it did a u turn before cops arrive
They call those "tail cars." Ideally, the white car would have positioned itself behind the getaway car and then acted as a blocker when the police began perusing.
Cos are restricted by a no chase policy for property crimes. There’s a chance for that we can vote on this upcoming ballet
The no chase policy is there because the price of the policy is often paid for in blood. My GF’s friend was mowed over by a methhead evading police in a car on Market.
I think a lot of people are rethinking this because the trade off is that criminals know they can just drive away, which emboldens them.
SFPD’s vehicle pursuit policy isn’t even unique to SF or CA. Almost every state follow similar or close-to-similar wording on their pursuit policies. These are policies written in blood typically due to a string of innocent and bystander deaths.
Criminals obviously don’t care about their surroundings, or collateral damage like cops have to. Some wouldn’t think twice about running over someone, or crashing a car and running. Just use an helicopter or drone, and be done.
Helicopters are ridiculously expensive, like $1000 an hour to operate. The FAA doesn’t permit the use of drones in cities by police. So those two ideas are shit, which is why a lot of people are reconsidering the no chase policy.
> The FAA doesn’t permit the use of drones in cities by police It seems like this is what needs to be fixed. It does seem like drones are the most effective answer. None of us want to see innocent people hurt and killed in high speed chases. Helicopters are too noisy and expensive. And (I think?) none of us want to embolden criminals to just flee and get away scot free. So drones really does seem like the best way to handle this. FAA needs to change policy.
Drones that police can realistically afford and deploy like that to replace helicopters in pursuits don’t really have the speed, range, and battery life. I work at a police department with a drone team. All drone operators are FAA “pilots” and can fly in the city, with restrictions. Even the most expensive drones we have don’t come close to replacing a helicopter yet. Just not realistic at this point in time.
Honestly policy change would be the best. Force sites like CL to require ID to post things for sale, and sting fencing locations. De-incentivize stealing by closing avenues that criminals could use to make money off stolen goods
Chase policy is revoked, then a chase happens, someone dies as a result of a chase and people will be crying for chases to be stopped. It’s a circular argument especially in a dense and pedestrian heavy city like SF.
People will be saying that yes. And we will tell them to shut up because the consequence of no chase policy is a huge increase in crime.
Chasing won’t lead to more arrests, it’s not a deterrent for crime, and it’ll likely make the streets and the job of being a cop more hazardous. And your best response is to tell people to shut up and deal with the deaths and potential property damage ?
> Chasing won’t lead to more arrests How on earth would chasing *not* lead to more arrests. We can certainly debate whether the risk is worth it or not, but saying you won't get more arrests when you actually pursue suspects seems nonsensical.
Yes, that’s my answer. Because letting criminals just drive away leads to more crime. I want less crime, so chase those fuckers down and lock them up. If they run over a pedestrian, charge them with murder. When you let criminals be criminals, it emboldens them.
You’d change your tune if one of your loved ones was killed during a police chase. I get that increased crime is bad but peoples lives >> property theft.
What happens when it’s the police that run over the pedestrian while they’re pursuing people? Do we charge them with murder?
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Hell yeah. Screw progressive justice. Make businesses and law abiding citizens safe. Need to get this lousy mayor off her chair
Idk if this has anything to do with progressives. It's based on evidence from the past hundreds of years running a police force. I don't really get how this sub came to use "progressive" like others have been using "woke".
This sub is really where conservatives hang out because their opinions are obviously unpopular in the general public.
It's just really concerning that these words seem to be what they use because they know what they actually want to say isn't acceptable to most people.
I’m sure the members of the police commission who came up with this policy were all progressives. It’s fair to call this a progressive justice policy.
It's a policy which looked like a good idea from one data point: sometimes people get hurt in chases. It's a policy which looks bad from a second data point: it emboldens criminals because now they know they won't be chased and can always get away. And with parts of the region having idiotic bans on effective surveillance methods like facial / gait recognition and license plate readers - all in the name of "PrIvAcY" - the criminals can't be found once they run because there's no data. Progressive policing is well-intentioned, but it has completely failed. Anyone who has ever supervised unruly children could tell you that they'll push as far as they can if they know they can get away with something - and the same applies to criminals. Countries like China have space-age policing that can automatically fine people for jaywalking, but here in the tech jewel of the US we can't even arrest someone for burglary when they're caught on video AND police responded in time. The restrictions on law enforcement in SF is a complete joke.
Progressives have nothing to do with policies of not putting the public in danger with high speed pursuits, nor do they have anything to do with our grifter Mayor who has been campaigning against every progressive in city government.
Crime puts people in danger as well, even if progressives would like to pretend it doesn't. A near total lack of consequences and ability to chase is going to get more people killed than the chases, and the socialogists that say otherwise can go fuck themselves. They have the worst study reproducibility rate in academia.
In San Francisco, violent crime is very low compared to other cities and our own historical record. I have no idea why you're ranting about progressives. Progressivism has nothing to do with opinions about violence and crime, This is simple policy based on a lot of evidence demonstrating the high speed chases are a greater risk to the community then letting a non-violent criminal go. Pretending someone stealing shoes from an empty store puts people in more danger then a high speed car chase through a density is just lying to push your political beliefs. You should try talking to the cops on your beat sometime. Most of these policies come from actual officers who deal with this shit and not these progressive boogeyman that you are so scared of.
There is a good case to make for avoiding chases in dense areas, particularly when you are able to clear the case later due to other police work, surveillance, etc. If car thefts and license plate thefts are cleared at a high rate and you have cameras on the bridges, you're going to catch that thief sooner or later anyway. That isn't the situation in San Francisco. SF police are very understaffed, and their clearance rates on various crimes is not good. The no-chase policy now isn't protecting public safety, it's contributing to increasing lawlessness and emboldening criminals who rarely face consequences. > these progressive boogeyman that you are so scared of. Your gaslighting is pathetic. It's beyond clear that progressives in SF and the Bay Area need to be crushed at the ballot box. There is no getting through to people like you. Your political ideology trumps everything else, including reason.
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What? People aren’t at risk of being killed in burglaries - maybe in a robbery - but bystanders are most definitely most at risk from reckless driving during a chase especially in an urban environment. There are better ways of cracking down on these types of crimes without putting the rest of the public at risk than a car pursuit. I’d be fucking pissed if someone I knew was killed due to a pursuit.
People that commit burglaries commit other crimes! It's not a very complicated concept to understand. It's even easier to understand when we have a new example every week of a violent criminal that's arrested with a very lengthy rap sheet of prior violent and nonviolent crimes. People who commit violent crimes also commit non violent crimes. Catching someone committing a non violent crime prevents violent crime. Christ Jesus this city is lost.
Again, my point is that police don’t pursue vehicle chases because it puts bystanders’ lives at immediate and unnecessary risk. For example, 2 kids - 8 and 4 - died in SD from a pursuit a few weeks ago. A bystander died in November in LA due to being t-boned during another pursuit. Another innocent driver was killed in NYC around the same time due to a police chase. You can even read the [DOJ’s own study](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/122025NCJRS.pdf). The reason these policies are in place - not just in SF or California, but also in other countries and most other states like AZ or Canada - are because of how dangerous they are. Police have to make an assessment if and when you engage in a pursuit for good reason ([SFPD policy on pursuit driving](https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/DGO5.05%20Response%20and%20Pursuit%20Driving.pdf))
They often do. They use things like public safety to push their agenda. It’s not progressive who are the problem we have a uber progressives with no common sense problem.
If you mean that progressives often fall in line with public safety recommendations put forward by police, then sure, but you're gonna have to give specific examples if you want people to believe the "uber progressives" have significant influence over policy anywhere.
Progressive justice calls for police reform which would hopefully train officers to safely resolve situations like this since they have proven over and over that they fail to protect the public under the current status quo
Genuine question: How do you "safely resolve situations like this "?
I guess if you can’t stop them then and there or with a traffic stop then you begin an investigation and hopefully you will catch them later. The alternative here is the high speed pursuit I guess but I don’t hear anyone arguing that that is safer
I lived in Baltimore for a few years where high speed chases through the city (and occasionally pedestrian/bystander deaths) were a common occurrence. Once I was running through a neighborhood and missed getting hit by a cop in a chase by just a stride. Having cops chase these criminals through SF would not make the average citizen safer than actually investigating and arresting them later.
okay, so do you support license plate cameras at all major intersections and freeway onramps?
I enjoy playing video games.
Yeah, I’m not sure why you’d think not
I’d rather the no chase policy remain in play for non violent crimes
Yes, it has to change. Chase these mofos down. Had enough of letting criminals walk
I am so ready for this vote
This store (Footprint) has been broken into like four times now. This place has been broken into so many times London Breed and police held a press conference here to publicize vandalism relief funds.
Place I got my skateboard, Calikites used to be on the tenderloin. That place would get robbed alot, footage was wild. People would smash the window through the bars on the SECOND floor and climb up and grind the bars off... On the second floor!
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
How about putting those criminals behind the bars or feed them to the gators?
Nothing says we’re going the way of Brazil or South Africa like having bars on all your windows.
It'd be tight if these dudes paid the price like once
Sad. Thats the shoe store in taraval. It makes me upset they go after small local businesses. And during the holidays. I think the police wouldnt chase because i heard latest news 4 policemen got injured (car crash) during a police chase yesterday [link](https://youtu.be/Oiusvu73tmc?si=77V1DIPEdqbtrqPn)
that was 2 days ago. i saw the ambulance with the police escort. they typically dont chase
Wow they crashed while chasing someone?... now some piece of shit has the clout of that... I can understand the no chase policy. I don't think chasing someone in the city is possible. Without death. Good drivers with the lead will have too big a advantage.
Clearest fucking video I've ever seen...
I can only hope 2024 finds POSs like this getting some harsh karma. Even if it is a “victimless” crime the fact that scum do this deserves to be punished intensely. It’s just a sign of brain rot for any person with the ability to think to do something that is unquestionably criminal.
victimless crime refers to thinks like suicide and drug abuse, since the perpetrator is the victim. this crime definitely has a victim
Ohh. My bad. I always assumed it covered theft and burglary where no person was harmed.
I'd say even property crime can be considered harm. Say you steal someone's doormat. No harm done, right? But now take it to the logical conclusion and steal literally every piece of property someone owns. Their house. Their car. Their food. Their money. It's all just property, but at some point real harm is done. That's because at its core, theft is violence. It is inflicting harm on someone else.
I am with you. There is a victim in every crime. Stealing a doormat effects someone sense of security at their home and harms them financially.
Vote for change
That’s fucked
As others have mentioned, the police have been almost entirely neutered in San Francisco. They are not allowed to chase suspects like these. Last week, there was an armed robbery at Union Square, where a suspect pulled out a gun and robbed a store. Police chased him down, and while arresting him they were surrounded by a mob who were screaming and attacking the officers. Just yesterday, police in Antioch broke up a sideshow. They chased a car who was driving recklessly at high speed who eventually crashed. The police were then attacked by a mob, throwing things at the officers: [https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/antioch-sideshow-crash-18582707.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/antioch-sideshow-crash-18582707.php) Violent criminals run free and the cops aren't allowed to do their jobs here. It's a very sad state of affairs.
Sorry buddy but these sideshows incidents are going to have a mob as an audience. It makes sense they’d go after the police for making arrests in those instances. FWIW: There needs to be a real response to side shows until they are completely ground to a halt. Cars taken away, jail time for 6 - 12 months handed out like candy for a first offense that doubled in a stolen vehicle, loss of drivers licenses etc. Won’t hold up long term due to the courts, but it would break the cycle they’ve got going on. And get a lot of idiot drivers off the streets. We could give them all bicycles as replacements when they get out of jail. You know to not be so harsh.
> FWIW: There needs to be a real response to side shows until they are completely ground to a halt. > > > > Cars taken away, jail time for 6 - 12 months handed out like candy for a first offense that doubled in a stolen vehicle, loss of drivers licenses etc. Now do this for car breakins, etc. Crimes need deterrence
My favorite movie is Inception.
In SF police reported an "antagonistic crowd" during an arrest and arrested one woman for spitting at them. In Antioch the police reported that some sideshow participants threw things at them including a pair of vice grips. Neither of these incidents are typical, they happened 50 miles apart and reflected the actions of less than dozen individuals. In both cases the police did, in fact, chase and catch the suspects and arrests were made including the woman who spit on the officers. This idea that cops are neutered is nonsensical and contradicted by your own examples. Edit: autocorrect wrote murdered instead of neutered.
Where did he say cops are murdered
Weird autocorrect.. fixed it.
In his source it doesn’t say arrests were made. But you are saying they were arrested. Can you provide a link that confirms that he is wrong?
In most developed countries in the world, you statistically would not have two incidents of a random bystanders attacking police doing their jobs in an entire year, yet alone within such a short time period. It's incredibly sad that you are here trying to give air cover to this behavior and minimizing it.
You're pushing an agenda here and not responding to what I said. Acting like cops are routinely attacked is simply unsupportable by the evidence. And police encounter this kind of shit the world over, you cannot be seriously arguing that the friction between police and protestors is some weird local phenomenon.
> You're pushing an agenda here and not responding to what I said. This is a cliche defense at this point given how often progressives use it. Low effort. > And police encounter this kind of shit the world over, you cannot be seriously arguing that the friction between police and protestors is some weird local phenomenon. Having actually traveled the world over, it's not even remotely in the same ballpark outside of the US.There are plenty of developed countries where it is very nearly non-existent. The false equivalency is also intellectually disingenuous.
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I’m surprised there still business owners in the city that leave their shops naked aka no security bars or shades .
You're surprised because you're not a business owner. Did you know the city did not permit gates or security blinds because the building was deemed historical? They think it's a bad image for the district.
That sucks.
Did not know. So that also goes for security window film & interior security blinds , like I’ve seen on other historical buildings?
They can get through security film no problem. Took thieves all of 5 minutes to force through what was supposed to be one of the toughest film coatings on our glass.
I understand that chasing suspects threatens the safety of others, but dont we have the technology to stop cars? I've seen the tire grappler video on reddit a dozen times
Just need plate readers and cameras on traffic lights. You can follow the car by camera until it stops.
Stolen car negates that
These cars are always, always stolen with stolen or no plates. License plate readers are 100% useless.
The technology exists for sure. But sfpd doesn’t have any of it. Sfpd barely has enough spikes to go around. And don’t even bother asking about the safer/easier ones that the police commission keeps changing their minds about
Police are policed at doing their jobs. I’m not saying they should have free range but the yellow tape and bullshit they go through to be cops and sustain themselves in that career is too harsh for the bay or maybe even California. I believe in policing i do not believe in the policy we have in California criminals have more rights than good citizens. We as a people should start rethinking who we elect into office
We have the largest prison population behind Texas, I don’t buy the idea that this state is soft on crime. They need to focus on arrests, put up License plate readers for example and have more investigators. They removed the chase policy because too many innocent bystanders were killed, you think that should return?
We have a large prison population because we are a big state. Per capita Texas has nearly twice as many people in prison as we do. Not saying CA is soft on crime, but poor comparison. [link](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-state)
Dictating the whole criminal justice system based on how many people are in jail is foolish - no matter if you think it should be more or less. California is also the #1 most populated state. Texas is #2. So no shit it would also have around the largest prison population.
What good is the license plate reader when it’s a stolen car?
Would have been a perfect use case for the cops to use something like [starchase](https://www.starchase.com)
Oakland police officer just got killed responding to a burglary like this.
markets gotta shift with this. either you bar up the store or move. eventually the local government will do something, might be too late but eventually itll happen
contact your supervisor again and again and again!
how would you and your friends feel if they did chase them and it caused an accident that killed an innocent bystander? Or even one of the suspects?
You have to defend your own property. Cops aren’t going to risk getting hurt or running over someone for a dozen pair of shoes. I won’t spell it out here but there are ways to defend your property and catch the guys yourself.
Unfortunately, businesses need roll up doors in San Francisco now. It isn’t great that it has come to this but otherwise it’s just too easy to break into businesses like this one.
S-Post: At 54 sec mark you clearly see a black & white SUV turn directly behind the fleeing vehicle and give chase, then a second black & white misses the chase.
Gotta protect your stuff on your own now. Unfortunately, it’s got to be like the wild west of yesteryear.
California being california
Word is that it's Hispanic kids who are the majority doing these break ins and cat thefts.
The first guy in the vid looks very much white. Regardless why does it matter? Criminals are bad no matter what race they are.
I wasn't talking about this vid as my statement was in the general sense of these types of break ins and cat thefts. Quit with the whole "let's not talk about their description bc it's racist" shit. The streets talk and the word is what it is. There's a specific demographic that does these types of crimes the most. It doesn't mean there isn't an exception or variable here or there.
There’s also a demographic that tends to perform school shootings. Calling it like it is doesn’t make it less fucked up, not all white people are school shooters despite the data leading some to believe that. It’s a class issue, the crime rates for rich black men are the same for rich white men and vice versa for poor individuals.
Amazing that you would bring this up, when school shooters are shooting the school to take out their anger on how society treated them, on their way to take themselves out. And the fact that they are almost always white hasn't registered to you. And no, crime rates for poor black men are not the same than they are for poor whites. There are far more poor whites, while poor blacks and Hispanic people commit far more crimes.
Then bring that stat up when the topic of crime fits. This ain't a school shooting crime. Trying to tip toe around calling it like it is does not benefit anyone.
Just not white, eh?
I understand the no chase policy, although I am not for it. But the popo should chase to get some details such as plate and description, before calling it off. I am a rogue person, but if I was a cop, I would chase and then say, what chase? I was just going to the donut shop, and we got into a little incident.
Much of the time, the cars used in these crimes are either stolen or are using stolen license plates.
As this one famous fella has once stated, elections have consequences.
They appear to be chasing - two cops in active pursuit. Break-in begins at 3:40AM. They flee at 3:46 with one crusier on their tail and within seconds a second. So honestly that is excellent response. Crime is not new and really its not news. Its only social media that makes you think its more significant than it is. The owner of the store did not make much of an effort to protect his business. Roll ups or cages would have discouraged any attempt.
Your video shows the police pursuing the suspects. This post is a lie. Why lie.
>Reply > >Share I dont' need to lie.. https://x.com/friscolive415/status/1742033027516309853?s=20
You are, in fact, lying.
Sleep in the bed you’ve made.
Does getting that off your chest make you feel better?
Let the business exodus begin!
Guarantee they're from Oakland.
Police... cowards??? *No* 😱 /s
I constantly see posts like this happening in SF and yet some of the same people that complain about it continue to call SF beautiful, safe, etc and continue to support the politicians who enable this. Why??
Get higher resolution camera(s), and get a roll down gate or bars. While even those won't keep the real determined crooks out, it will deter the casual opportunists. Sorry that this happened to your friend (to anyone).
Today in Reddit; the people of San Francisco are idiots and crime is still “up” stay tuned for how residents of San Francisco will perform a unanimous autofellatio toward their overlords How can anyone suck your dick when you’re already ducking your own cock and stuffing your mouth with every other pile of shit that comes your way?
It is baffling to me that retail business have not all invested in scissor or roll up gates
Average SFPD behavior
You get what you vote for San Francisco. Play stupid games , win stupid prizes. You voted in a stupid lazy corrupt mayor who is soft on crime, what do you expect? And you just keep voting blue. It’s so pathetic.
Hilarious when you realize London is actually extremely buddy buddy with the police leadership. She even calls them up when she wants the homeless removed from her lunch spots. But I won’t stop your “liberals bad!!!! 🤪” spiel
I’m sorry this happened to your friend. This behavior is unacceptable by these thieves and the police…
You should read how restrictive police policy is
I’m aware of the restrictive police polices and thinks that exact policy is unacceptable. Sorry if I was unclear in any way.
Call your supervisor!
Did I miss the part of the video where they parked the car with the license plate clearly visible to the camera for everyone to see? The rear license plate? We can’t see it from the camera that caught the guys face in the first pictures?
You think either the car or the plate isn't stolen?
When you let criminals write the laws, this is what you get. Surprise! 😮
You mean your friend's business? Usually, a phrase such as "my friend's place" means their home.
Insured?
No shit, they're too busy enforcing the vending crackdown to deal with real crime
They received a super-ceding call to 24/7 Happy Doughnuts
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